i dont know the green haired one was deece
little tall for me though
What do you think of the way women are portrayed in OP?
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You forget the Boa sisters.
I tap Sandersonia. She's not ugly. Snake tongue or not.
But seriously. It's not like they were struck because, "HEY! They're ugly! It's not big deal!" They were struck because they were trying to kill innocent women.
@Cyan:
I think Catarina got hit in the face sometime offscreen.
I'm assuming you mean when they all fought for their freedom from Impel Down?
Okay. That's three ugly women.
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Ms. Merry Christmas.
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I'm assuming you mean when they all fought for their freedom from Impel Down?
No I mean when she got hit with the ugly stick.Sure. That or when Sengoku blasted the Blackbeards.
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I tap Sandersonia. She's not ugly. Snake tongue or not.
She does have an abnormal body shape, though. Definitely not the regular hourglass figure that Robin, Nami, Hancock or Vivi have.
@Robo:
Ms. Merry Christmas.
Her too.
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She does have an abnormal body shape, though. Definitely not the regular hourglass figure that Robin, Nami, Hancock or Vivi have.
Abnormal =/= ugly.
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@Cyan:
Abnormal =/= ugly.
Well I personally agree, but she's stil not the standard OP pretty woman.
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excuse me but with a tongue like that you can throw standards out the window!!!
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Oh my darling Sandersonia, what I would do with that head of yours.
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Robin, Nami, Bellemere, etc. were smacked by villains. However, the only time a hero every attacked a pretty skinny girl was Luffy and Vivi.
The issue is that villains hitting pretty women is seen as evil, yet the SHs never do it. Aside from that incident with Vivi, Luffy has only ever attacked ugly women.Heroes attacking ugly women = okay
Yet attacking pretty women = horrible thing only villains do.That's my problem. Is a woman's worth determined by her attractiveness? Hitting a defenseless person is bad, but why is hitting ugly women portrayed as a good thing yet hitting a pretty woman portrayed as a villainous act?
Not a lot of manga have the hero beating the shit out of beautiful women you know.
Space Adventure Cobra comes immediately to mind. But even Cobra didn't do to them what Luffy did to Croc, Lucci, Enel. Holy shit, imagine that Luffy crush Hancock's bones, smashed her face and punches her against several mountains to the point they all break. What teenager reader would like that?
Otherwise, I can't see why you wouldn't like the way Luffy punched Miss Valentine flying. -
I like how the women in One Piece are portrayed. I wish they were a bit stronger, but they're still pretty independent and strong in unique ways (Nami's cunning and Robin's savvy). Regardless, they never felt tossed to the side in favor of the men, and all are given their time to shine. Also, because OP has no romance, they aren't made weak or put into cliche situations for the sake of romance.
In terms of how they look, it's understandable how people could criticize how Oda draws them, but I've got no problems with it. It's just Oda's unique style. Plus, despite all of the "beautiful" women having a similar figure, they each have some unique traits that make them stand out from each other, such as Robin's mature yet gentle look, Nami's cute and bright look, and Hina's cute yet powerful look.
IMO, Belle-mere is the ultimate representation of a OP woman. Passionate, strong, caring, and beautiful in her own style.
I also like how women aren't hit often in OP, and if they are, whoever did it usually gets hit back pretty hard.
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Okay, four (five if you count Sandersonia).
But does Oda establish this as "ugly people are evil"? No. Kokoro, Mr. 8's wife, and plenty of the ugly amazons were not struck. I'd mention Dr. Kureha, but honestly with a body like that, I won't mind that face when we're groping in the dark.
Not to mention, human Lola and zombie Lola. Both are ugly, were struck, and were both good souls. Granted, zombie Lola wanted to kill Nami, but it was because she was in love. And Nami fought for that love.
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i think its wonderful that within your post you went from "gropin in the dark" to "fightin for love"
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I'd mention Dr. Kureha, but honestly with a body like that, I won't mind that face when we're groping in the dark.
That's incredibly creepy Insider.
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@Sea:
That's incredibly creepy Insider.
Hey. I try.
But seriously, this ugly and attractive women thing hardly means anything. People get struck no matter who they are. If you're evil, you're evil.
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Okay, four (five if you count Sandersonia).
But does Oda establish this as "ugly people are evil"? No. Kokoro, Mr. 8's wife, and plenty of the ugly amazons were not struck. I'd mention Dr. Kureha, but honestly with a body like that, I won't mind that face when we're groping in the dark.
Not to mention, human Lola and zombie Lola. Both are ugly, were struck, and were both good souls. Granted, zombie Lola wanted to kill Nami, but it was because she was in love. And Nami fought for that love.
Mmmm … I wonder what tight clothes and a support bra does to saggy skin.
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Okay, four (five if you count Sandersonia).
But does Oda establish this as "ugly people are evil"? No. Kokoro, Mr. 8's wife, and plenty of the ugly amazons were not struck. I'd mention Dr. Kureha, but honestly with a body like that, I won't mind that face when we're groping in the dark.
Not to mention, human Lola and zombie Lola. Both are ugly, were struck, and were both good souls. Granted, zombie Lola wanted to kill Nami, but it was because she was in love. And Nami fought for that love.
I'm not saying ugly people are evil, just that the antagonistic beautiful women never get hit by the male SHs. Several come to mind.
I think it was made obvious when Ivankov turned female just to fight Sadie-chan. What was the point aside from making it so that only pretty women fight other pretty women?I'm not grieving heavily over it. I just find it annoying.
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Okay, I'll give you that. But I don't think it's anything worth immense disdain.
I could argue that if Luffy, Zoro, Usopp, Chopper, Franky, or Brooke were in the situation that they had to beat a beautiful evil women, they would. But Oda has yet to do that.
@Sea:
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COMPLETELY FORGOT ABOUT MS VALENTINE! Beat by Usopp, and struck by Luffy/Zoro. Not to mention the dozens of women Zoro killed when the bounty hunters attacked.
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true. if he wanted it to be realistic he'd have the ugly girls beatin up the good lookin ones out of jealousy!
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You know, I don't even really like her much, but I think it's easy to underrate Nami's importance.
She's essentially the Captain, if not the co-captain.
She takes care of practically everything in crisis situations and big choices, and keeps track of funding and other inventory.
Luffy fills in with the final word on big choices and is the leader for being the spirit and charisma of the crew. But Nami really takes care of everything else, she's the rock of the crew psychologically to boot, anchoring things down when everyone else floats off topic and into dumb ideas. Even the other smart characters aren't anchors, Usopp is too panicky, and Robin is too detached. Only Nami really keeps things mentally together. Imagine her taken out of the crew for any period longer then some mini portion WITHIN an arc.1\. Ace (√), 2\. WB (√), 3\. BB (X), 4\. Perona (√) 5\. Boa (√) 6\. Jimbei (???), 7\. Sabo lives (√), 8\. Timeskip (√)
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I think for me this topic boils down to three things.
1: do you like the female characters personalities and behaviors? I'll answer that with a resounding yes!
2: do you like how Oda draws the female characters? Mostly yes, but the waists of the skinny girls could look a little less like they are about to snap.
3: do you like what Oda has done with the females plot-wise? Yes, with some reservation about Bonney.
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whats wrong with the bonney?
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true. if he wanted it to be realistic he'd have the ugly girls beatin up the good lookin ones out of jealousy!
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Granted, this isn't ugly, but those characters rarely turn out good.
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@HiroVoid:
:blink: The Boa sisters weren't attractive!? They were average at least.
What?! Sandersonia is pure hawtness what's wrong with you man.
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I would say I prefer the way women are portrayed in One Piece to Space Adventure Cobra.
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whats wrong with the bonney?
Oh I love Bonney, I have wanted to see more of her from the first pannel she was shown in, I'm just not enthusiastic about seeing her in a damsel in distress role. It's not even certain she will be in that role which is why I said "with some reservation" not "I absolutely don't like her.
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i wasnt excited about her untill she was captured, this could lead into somethin badass. made her character alot more mysterious.
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i wasnt excited about her untill she was captured, this could lead into somethin badass. made her character alot more mysterious.
Also dont see alot of damsels drop kickin their captors in the faceRegardless Bonney still was captured and she was the first supernova to go. She also happens to be the only woman. Not a coincidence I'm fond of, that's for sure.
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she was only captured to come back as afar more important and deeper story element
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@Sea:
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COMPLETELY FORGOT ABOUT MS VALENTINE! Beat by Usopp, and struck by Luffy/Zoro. Not to mention the dozens of women Zoro killed when the bounty hunters attacked.
AND Ms Goldenweek was attacked by a duck.Who cares about Miss Valentine. Ugh…she....is...heavy and ugly.
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excuse me Miss Valentine was a sweet girl,… she just had a bit of a weight issue
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I like the fact they are not damsels in distress (is that the correct phrase) and can actually do something in their own.
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true. if he wanted it to be realistic he'd have the ugly girls beatin up the good lookin ones
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-515/page004.html
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Regardless Bonney still was captured and she was the first supernova to go. She also happens to be the only woman. Not a coincidence I'm fond of, that's for sure.
You forget, Capone was captured too, or so it seems. Either way, he was still dragged up by that… whatever it was. And Apoo was chased by pigs, and looked like a total loser. Urouge didn't look so hot either, last time we saw him. Not to mention all the (male) Supernovas that were tossed around by Kizaru back in Sabaody, including Luffy and Zoro.
In fact, aside from the Straw Hats, Bonney was given loads more dignity and development in these scenes than any of the others. I wouldn't get too worried about sexism, at least not yet.
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Not to mention that the supernova characters weren't originally intended to be introduced so soon. Bonney being captured actually makes her stand out from the others, except when compared to Law, since he saved Luffy.
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Bleach is worse I think. Not to mention DN. Compared to that Op is doing great.
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Women are portrayed with big breasts and ass unless they are a minor character who doesn't matter. Like any other series. [sarcasm]I think women are probably held at a higher status then men in Japan because of the need to display women in such a manner in a comic book.[/sarcasm]
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http://www.rightstuf.com/cgi-bin/catalogmgr/A2bfYARVkJ8W41rhzO/browse/item/88488/4/0/0
I know this is sort of Off topic but this was sort of odd.
A poster is one thing but a full body pillow!?!?! -
They are called "dakimakura" (=pillow to embrace/hug)… So what? There are male versions, too. As well as for many other manga/anime serieses...
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So freaking creepy…
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Not all series of course. Some series have decency against women(or rather many).
Still action shounen like bleach/naruto/OP are building on unfulfilled male fantasies (and what gender did create these 3 hmm?) so it makes perfect sense.
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A poster is one thing but a full body pillow!?!?!
Daikimakura are common in Japan. You would have to be pretty sad to buy one though.
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how is this connected to One Piece manga??
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They are called "dakimakura" (=pillow to embrace/hug)… So what? There are male versions, too. As well as for many other manga/anime serieses…
It's a pillow with a cartoon in a bikini on it, not even a real person. That's what's wrong with it. What went so wrong in your life that you have the need to hug a nearly naked cartoon, as an adult, I don't want to know.
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Seriously, why are some people reading manga anyways if they feel so irritated by the merchandise? Dakimakura aren't worse than figures…
Not all series of course. Some series have decency against women(or rather many).
Unless there's a fan artist dakimakura may exist. ;)
It's a pillow with a cartoon in a bikini on it, not even a real person. That's what's wrong with it. What went so wrong in your life that you have the need to hug a nearly naked cartoon, as an adult, I don't want to know.
OMG, making a fuss again over nothing… Get a life!
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Seriously, why are some people reading manga anyways if they feel so irritated by the merchandise? Dakimakura aren't worse than figures…
No, you are wrong, they are definitely worse then action figures or whatever people collect nowadays, unless you're talking about life-sized figurines, then you are right they are just as bad.
OMG, making a fuss again over nothing… Get a life!
I have a life, browsing these forums and [Japan]masturbating to Etchi-sketch since I am too ashamed to look at real porn[/Japan], don't look down on me.
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I think that pillow is used for something more perverse than hugging.
I am not to keen on Japan's copyright laws, but can anybody just make these?
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how is this connected to One Piece manga??
That is what I been wondering.
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Pillows. Maybe because people in OP world sleep on them?
