I actually like the first 2 parts of Jojo better than the rest.
Tiers of manga.
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I rate RoT over LW&C because of its scale and complexity. The fact that I really enjoyed reading Romance of the Three Kingdoms and liked the interpretation of its characters in RoT also has some effect on my rating.
As for Nausicaa, I read the first volume some time back but stopped because it was quite dense and I didn't have the time to complete it. Since I haven't finished it, I can't really place it in my list. I may pick it up again when I have time.
I read the first two parts of Jojo and I really couldn't see what the fuss was about so I dropped it. As for Bastard… I was put off by the OVA.
If you want to know what's real complexity, read Nausicaa. In fact its complexity is what prevents it from being as popular as stuffs like One Piece. (or the Ravages of Time in China)
The Ravages of Time is closer to pop culture with the formula: close-ups+one-liners=cool (and separate a sentence into many bubbles.). If you watch more second-rate Chinese films, you will see the drama in the Ravages of time is just not that special, of course I am not saying it is not brilliant.
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I actually like the first 2 parts of Jojo better than the rest.
I didn't like the first part, but after that it got awesome
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I actually like the first 2 parts of Jojo better than the rest.
I like the first 2 parts too much, especially part 2 with Joseph and his tricks. To beat superior life beings without bizarre, incredible powers like stands, using instead ripple and tricks is extremely awesome.
Part 3 and 4 are incredible too with the conception of stands and wacky powers.
Part 5 and 6 are cool, but it's crap and boring.
Part 7 is awesome and refreshing.
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at least,
01. [awesomest] ARES; aoi haru (matsumoto taiyo)
02. [awesomer] lucifer and the biscuit hammer; fullmetal alchemist; midori no hibi; one piece; shin angyo onshi
03. [awesome] blame!; the breaker (1st half); cromartie high school; FLCL; kekkaishi; kurogane (kei toume); SIDOOH; takemitsu zamurai; tekkon kinkreet; threads of time; vinland saga (prologue w/ askeladd)
04. [charming, yeah] beelzebub; detective conan; gintama; hoshi no koe; hyouge mono; ikigami; island (youn in-wan); jiraishin; level e; lucu lucu; yokohama kaidashi kikou; yotsuba & !
05. [readable, maybe] bakuman (we're writing manga with lots of !!)
06. [not-my-thing-but-respected-maybe] beserk (hairy = manly); billy suffering bat; gantz (wtf die already); litchi hikari club; dr slump & dragonball; kitoh mohiro (bokurano); mysterious girlfriend x; ubel blatt (distractingly hen); vampire bund (distractingly hen & sparkle-less)
07. [yawn, scratch, scratch, scratch] cesare (boo hoo, wimpy guy); claymore; d gray man; dengeki daisy (tragic pedophile janitor with great hair wangsts over flat-chested schoolgirl); getbackers (those women cannot possibly have n*pples - wait, can i say that here?); homunculus; mpd psycho; psyren; team medical dragon; tegami bachi
08. [bonus-category]
09. [wtf wtf] defense devil (wtf youn in-wan); karakuridouji ultimo (wtf stan lee)
10. [would rather die than read] anything that sparkles; anything where a tiny girl with glasses gets a ridiculously manly man. (sure it happens, but what a stale plot.) -
Tier 1 (titles that i would read many times over):
Berserk, One Piece, Akira, GTO
Tier 2 (i love it):
Dragonball+z, Hellsing, FMA, Soul Eater, HSDK, Veritas
Tier 3 (i definitely like it a lot):
Negima, Black Lagoon, Pokemon Special, YuYu Hakusho, Bleach (before and during SS arc), Naruto (part 1), Kenshin, Ranma, KuroKami, Chrno Crusade, Dragon Half, Claymore, Golden Boy
Tier 4 (it's okay):
Death Note, Ouran High School Host Club, Fairy Tail, Shaman King, 1/2 Prince, Battle Vixens, Hajime No Ippo, Gunsmith Cats, Yotsuba&!, Black Cat, Eureka Seven, Kodocha, High School of the Dead
Tier 5 (i haven't got anything against it, i just lost interest):
666 Satan, Air Gear, Tenjou Tenge, Beck, He is my Master, Kodomo No Jikan, Midori Days, Love Hina, Change 123, Bleach (post-SS), Naruto (part 2)the tiers don't go down any further for me because i'm not a critic, just a casual who reads manga for fun, so i find it hard to pick out any that i truly 'hate'.
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tier 1: one piece.
tier 2: naruto.
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@Brave:
tier 1: one piece.
tier 2: naruto.
tier 3: fairy tail.
tier 4: bleach.READ MORE MANGA. O_O
seriously, even if you only like mainstream shonen, there are tons more out there. Toriko, Yu Yu Hakusho, Fullmetal Alchemist, Soul Eater, Beelzebub, etc…
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@MDL:
Tier 5 (i haven't got anything against it, i just lost interest):
Beck
I'll admit, I raged a little.
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I'll admit, I raged a little.
don't rage at me plz =[
lost interest doesn't mean i thought it was bad, it's just not my cup of tea. honestly, i do like beck, and i might come back to it in the near future.
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Tier #1[Amazing]
One Piece, Berserk, Vinland Saga, Vagabond, Blade of the ImmortalTier #2 [Great]
Noblesse, Witch Hunter, Sun Ken Rock, Gamaran, The Breaker & The Breaker New Waves, Ao No Exorcist, FMA, DBZ, Yu Yu HakushoTier #3 [Good]
Veritas, Deadman Wonderland, Soul Eater, HunterxHunter, D.Gray-man, Legend of MaianTier #4 [Enjoyable]
Freezing, Naruto, Psyren, Defense DevilTier #5 [Readable]
Fairy Tail, BleachTier #6 [WTF am I reading!?]
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Tier 1 (Platinum: Emotional and introspective with unique and well defined style):
not simple, NANA, Vagabond, REAL, Pluto, Oyasumi Punpun, GTOTier 2 (Gold: Organic, breathing life into concepts that may be stale or commonly addressed but with a necessary amount of heart):
Everything else by Natsume Ono, 20th Century Boys, Monster, Solanin, FMA, Whistle!, Cross Game, JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, Sand Chronicles, SaiyukiTier 3 (Silver: Fun, interesting, exciting, albeit formulaic at times, hard to measure for now):
Hikaru no Go, BLEACH, Hajime no Ippo, One Piece, Claymore, Yotsuba&!, Firefighter Daigo, BakumanTier 4 (Bronze: more so because of memory and vagueness but stylistically, also somewhat formulaic with varying degrees of artistic merit):
Naruto, Flame of Recca, HxH, Shaman King, Kekkaishi, Hikaru no GoTier 5 (Brass: Art is high, at times fun, but don't capture the same essence that other series do (within my list)):
Reborn, Fairy Tail, Gantz, Hoshin EngiTier 6 (Rock: Lack of progressiveness or relevance, fluctuates in terms of my enjoyability):
Air Gear, Kenichi, Negima, DN AngelTier 7 (Dirt? No, I do not mean actual dirt, this was an attempt at being funny)
Everything else in terms of popular or commonly read titles.Removed RuroKen due to haziness of the series. I'll get back to it soon.
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Nope. Not in the least.
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All right then. Okie dokie.
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GTO better than One Piece let alone top tier ahahahhahahhahahaha
You have horrible goddamn taste!
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i'm still laughing at the whole 'bleach = one piece' thing.
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I don't think there's a better when it comes to art, entertainment, or whatever, just different degrees of relevance. I'm not gonna waste time justifying my choices outside of that statement just because they don't coincide with what you're used to, nor what you expect.
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I don't think there's a better when it comes to art, entertainment, or whatever, just different degrees of relevance.
True, Bleach and Berserk are virtually identical art wise, you can't really argue a difference.
Also what the hell do you even mean by "relevance".
I'm not gonna waste time justifying my choices outside of that statement just because they don't coincide with what you're used to, nor what you expect.
GTO is a pretty crappy comic, Bleach is an insanely crappy comic. You have virtually no possible argument for their placements.
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@JERK:
True, Bleach and Berserk are virtually identical art wise, you can't really argue a difference.
Also what the hell do you even mean by "relevance".
GTO is a pretty crappy comic, Bleach is an insanely crappy comic. You have virtually no possible argument for their placements.
Because art is the only way to judge manga, huh? Not to mention I haven't read Berserk yet because I haven't found the money to set aside for it.
"Relevance" (from wiki): describes how pertinent, connected, or applicable something is to a given matter.
If I'm the given matter in the situation, and something such as… GTO is what I'm seeking to apply to myself, depending on factors such as emotional connection to the characters, situations, real world implications, etc., the series becomes more relevant to me. Of course, I can't communicate to you all of the relevancy the manga has to me, which is unfortunate, but it's my taste.
There's no right or wrong when it comes to this, so step off it dude. It's not that serious.
I joined the forums here to get a better perspective on OP and to see what the diehard fandom sees in the series. You can take my "list" as blasphemy or what have you, but it's my opinion. Your taunts ain't gonna change that.
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Tier 1 (Platinum):
NANA, Vagabond, REAL, Oyasumi PunpunTier 3 (Silver):
BLEACHYou do like your contrasts, eh. I'm not really sure if there is a single thing you could not criticize Bleach on.
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You do like your contrasts, eh. I'm not really sure if there is a single thing you could not criticize Bleach on.
Contrast, is a nice way of putting it.
As far as BLEACH is concerned, yes, it gets the short end of the stick, I'm well aware of that, and judging by the boards, I see the hostility towards it. I'm not gonna defend or deny certain criticisms, but I'm also not gonna bite my tongue and act like I don't like something to fit in.
The general idea of this whole tier thing, for me, was to arrange manga in the order that you viewed them. While some people may cry foul at putting Bl & OP in the same category, the point for me isn't really that Silver category but the two above them. As of reading both series, I can't put them any higher or any lower because that's how they fit in my grand scheme of things.
Thanks for addressing it without seething rage. Sorry for the long comment.
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Because art is the only way to judge manga, huh?
Art is a gigantic part and it's very obviously judgeable unlike what you wrote. But thanks, thanks for already conceding a point you yourself asserted. That was what, two seconds?
Or do we need to go into virtually any single other category that Bleach invariably fails in? I'd actually say Art is it's BEST quality, sad though that is.
Not to mention I haven't read Berserk yet because I haven't found the money to set aside for it.
Read it online dingus.
"Relevance" (from wiki): describes how pertinent, connected, or applicable something is to a given matter.
Yeah, what the hell "given matter" are you talking about.
If I'm the given matter in the situation, and something such as… GTO is what I'm seeking to apply to myself,
You're looking for one of the most completely failed cool concepts for a manga to apply to yourself?
"why yes, yes I would like to watch a bunch of really stupid hijinks from a comic that should be funny slice of life "delinquent teacher" comedy/drama moments that it instead absolutely fucked in the head on deciding on what it wants to be."
depending on factors such as emotional connection to the characters,
lollll, so you're saying you've made the same level of emotional connection to the legions of cardboard in Bleach as One Piece?
See I don't care if you've fallen in love with the comic, that's mighty fine.
But what you done fell in love with is a piece of cat waste wrapped in a distended rectum.situations,
Bleach situations are even blander than the characters.
real world implications,
Oh god, you went here of all places.
What in the fuck does Bleach have to do with the real world.
And GTO largely sucks for not being well written enough to add to it's real world subject.
etc., the series becomes more relevant to me. Of course, I can't communicate to you all of the relevancy the manga has to me, which is unfortunate, but it's my taste.
Yes, I understand. You enjoy cat poop.
There's no right or wrong when it comes to this, so step off it dude. It's not that serious.
Yes, yes there really is.
I joined the forums here to get a better perspective on OP
See I don't even know if I care what you think about OP, it's the Bleach and the ahahaha GTO placement that is rolling me here.
Unless I'm misreading and you actually don't like OP much at all!
and to see what the diehard fandom sees in the series.
Bitch, you consider gold to be GTO, you don't need to be thinking about fucking One Piece. You need to read ANYTHING considered actual top tier.
You can take my "list" as blasphemy or what have you, but it's my opinion. Your taunts ain't gonna change that.
And your flubbery flowery excuses aren't going to make it indefensible.
All the more obvious by the fact that you aren't even defending it. All you have is "OH THIS….WORKED FOR ME SOMEWAY". I doubt you can even describe why you like them.
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I dunno how to respond to each quote so I have to type a massive wall of text. My bad. Haha.
Yeah, art is a huge part, but it's not the deciding factor, at least in my opinion. Air Gear or Bastard should explain that.
As far as Berserk is concerned, I understand the praise surrounding it, and when I get the chance, I'd like to sit down with official releases as opposed to mooching and adding to the fail that this the manga/anime/entertainment industry in general (that's a whole other debate in and of itself). The only series I read online are series that do not have an official release (HnI, Oyasumi PunPun, and the Big 3 which I buy as they become available).
The given matter is obviously part of the definition for relevancy or did you not get that?
Concerning GTO's relevance: the fact that a delinquent, or someone who hates school seeks to become a teacher, against the odds, to better the youth of tomorrow, and draw attention away from people's worth in the caste system of society and toward their personal strengths, isn't relevant? Like I said, I can't fully communicate to you–scratch that, I can fully communicate to you something like that, I'm just too lazy to type it out, truthfully. Lol.
Emotional connection: yes, I've made it with characters in BLEACH. I've made it with characters in OP too. I can relate to Ichigo, Karin, Yuzu, who've lost their mom. To Aizen who thinks the world isn't how it should be, that only losers go with the ebb and flow, and to other characters as well. I can also relate to Luffy who's lost Ace, to Nami who's lost her mother, to Zoro who's lost his best friend. I'm not arguing, for any matter, the emotional depths of the series at hand.
I also never made the claim that Bl>>>OP or for that matter NANA>>OP, Vagabond>>OP, or whatever other series>>OP. You can argue that this is the point of a tier based thread but I don't think so. I'm not holding someone to a standard just because they might not like something. That's stupid. Obviously, my interests are more relevant to me because of the experiences I've seen, and the way in which I view the world.
That's like saying someone who likes Twilight and thinks it's awesome is wrong for that because they haven't been exposed to X series or because Twilight covers aspects that another series doesn't. Twilight just happens to be more relevant based on that person's preferences.
My "tier list" is based on my preferences alone. I'm not measuring my list against the next guy or girl's and then ridiculing them for it. If that's your game, then go for it. I came to this forum to get a better understanding of the OP fandom and to compare my views with other people, respectably.
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Bleach was once good. Twilight is indefensible.
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@THE:
Bleach was once good. Twilight is indefensible.
Fair enough. Twilight probably is indefensible. Haha. I haven't read or seen it before, just threw it in there because that's something that people commonly hate on outside of anime/manga. I was thinking about some obscure music reference instead but I took the easy route.
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Tier 1 (Platinum):
not simple, NANA, Vagabond, REAL, Pluto, Oyasumi Punpun, GTOTier 2 (Gold):
Everything else by Natsume Ono, 20th Century Boys, Monster, Solanin, FMA, Whistle!, Cross Game, JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, Sand Chronicles, SaiyukiTier 3 (Silver):
BLEACH, Hajime no Ippo, One Piece, Claymore, Yotsuba&!, Firefighter Daigo, BakumanTier 4 (Bronze):
RuroKen, Naruto, Flame of Recca, HxH, Shaman King, Kekkaishi, Hikaru no GoTier 5 (Brass):
Reborn, Fairy Tail, Gantz, Hoshin EngiTier 6 (Rock?):
Air Gear, Kenichi, Negima, DN AngelTier 7 (Dirt?)
Everything else.16 characters of :wassat:
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^^ read Rocco_Modern's discussion with Jerk. It explains his feelings on his tier's quite well.
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^^ read Rocco_Modern's discussion with Jerk. It explains his feelings on his tier's quite well.
I read it:getlost:
…and still I say, 16 characters of :wassat:
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Is it really all that difficult to understand other peoples opinions - however much they differ from your own?
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Well, that's what called war.
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Is it really all that difficult to understand other peoples opinions - however much they differ from your own?
if they differ greatly from your own then I'd say yes
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It's not like we are trying to understand why someone likes the taste of baby flesh. Rocco was comparing two extremely popular shonen titles, both with wide fan bases, and putting them on the same level. While you may not think Bleach is a tenth the series that One Piece is (a sentiment that is growing in popularity - and one that has been going strong on this message board for quite some time) it still shouldn't really be something baffling to you that someone likes them at roughly the same level.
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Is it really all that difficult to understand other peoples opinions - however much they differ from your own?
Hey. Thanks for seeing the forest and not the tree (good ol' Vagabond reference).
It's not very unrealistic to see someone else's opinion, take it for what it is, and keep it moving. I obviously see things differently and I don't expect the next guy to have read Natsume Ono. Most people would probably dismiss it as "WTF" or ignore it since I haven't seen much of any of her work in any other tier. That's just the way it goes. In no way am I disrespecting One Piece. The accolades it receives definitely attest to it's greatness and I'm not renouncing it in any way. But of course, people are going to misconstrue my opinion, bash it, make baseless claims like "you taste r badddsss" and everything else, instead of asking: "oh hey, you think "x series" is on the same level of "y series," why is that?" Or any number of non-threatening and friendly ways.
I dunno why I said all of this to just you, maybe in the hopes that you'd read it, since you understand where I'm coming from, I get a feeling of acceptance (gold star for me!) or at the very least, understanding.
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Haha.
I have a really hard time thinking of tiers when it comes to manga. Mainly because you have titles like Ippo, that start out incredible and manage to stay the same to their own detriment. Berserk and Vagabond are up there with OP when it comes to teen boy comics, but I'm gonna be like 35 when either manages to catch up in terms of volume and fuck that.
Rocco, I can certainly respect your opinion and I'm surprised a lot of people don't agree with you anyway.
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It's not like we are trying to understand why someone likes the taste of baby flesh. Rocco was comparing two extremely popular shonen titles, both with wide fan bases, and putting them on the same level. While you may not think Bleach is a tenth the series that One Piece is (a sentiment that is growing in popularity - and one that has been going strong on this message board for quite some time) it still shouldn't really be something baffling to you that someone likes them at roughly the same level.
Yes! I know people hate bleach with a vengeance, especially here, which is another reason I'm interested in being here. I honestly appreciate each series for what it does. I'm not out to classify and compare each series with one another because that kinda takes away from the experience. At times, I think: "Damn, some people seriously hate Bl" and wonder why that is. I still find merit in it and enjoy it. Am I wrong for that (I know someone is going to say yes)? To me, it just seems like a waste of effort.
I can't really compose my thoughts any better than that, just woke up. I don't think my comment expanded upon much either but whatevs.
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It's not like we are trying to understand why someone likes the taste of baby flesh.
Who doesn't?:wassat:
Rocco was comparing two extremely popular shonen titles, both with wide fan bases, and putting them on the same level. While you may not think Bleach is a tenth the series that One Piece is
Its not:getlost:
(a sentiment that is growing in popularity - and one that has been going strong on this message board for quite some time)
I actually liked Bleach until after that Deicide arc. Now it is horrible.
Even with its multiple plot and power inconsistencies, skipped fights, neglected characters and powers, completely forgotten characters, the appearing behind someone over and over and over, trolling, lack of backgrounds, unbearably slow pace, etc, I continued to read.
Even after seeing that it was a complete Yu Yu Hakusho (which is one of my favorites ever) rip-off.
it still shouldn't really be something baffling to you that someone likes them at roughly the same level.
I like D.Gray-man more than Vagabond however I know Vagabond is better quality so I listed higher because of that.
I dont care that he put Bleach at the same level since its his opinion. I just can not understand it at all.
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Haha.
I have a really hard time thinking of tiers when it comes to manga. Mainly because you have titles like Ippo, that start out incredible and manage to stay the same to their own detriment. Berserk and Vagabond are up there with OP when it comes to teen boy comics, but I'm gonna be like 35 when either manages to catch up in terms of volume and fuck that.
Rocco, I can certainly respect your opinion and I'm surprised a
lot of people don't agree with you anyway.Well I can definitely see why some people wouldn't agree with me. I understand the weight of my words considering where I'm at (which is crazy scary, lol) but thanks for seeing where I'm coming from.
I get where you're coming from too. The whole tier thing sounded like a good idea, but really, what's the point, especially when you have long running series, series on hiatus, and series like OP which are only at their halfway point. Things are gonna change with how we read stuff, how we used to read stuff, and how we're gonna read stuff. So in that sense, it doesn't mean much outside of the present other than shits and giggles. Haha.
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Haha.
I have a really hard time thinking of tiers when it comes to manga. Mainly because you have titles like Ippo, that start out incredible and manage to stay the same to their own detriment. Berserk and Vagabond are up there with OP when it comes to teen boy comics, but I'm gonna be like 35 when either manages to catch up in terms of volume and fuck that.
Rocco, I can certainly respect your opinion and I'm surprised a lot of people don't agree with you anyway.
:wassat:Not sure if serious.
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Who doesn't?:wassat:
Its not:getlost:
I actually liked Bleach until after that Deicide arc. Now it is horrible.
Even with its multiple plot and power inconsistencies, skipped fights, neglected characters and powers, completely forgotten characters, the appearing behind someone over and over and over, trolling, lack of backgrounds, unbearably slow pace, etc, I continued to read.
Even after seeing that it was a complete Yu Yu Hakusho (which is one of my favorites ever) rip-off.
I like D.Gray-man more than Vagabond however I know Vagabond is better quality so I listed higher because of that.
I dont care that he put Bleach at the same level since its his opinion. I just can not understand it at all.
Fair enough. Cool to see someone that liked Deicide, which is uncommon. Anyway, I guess the issue is the idea of "better" and what that means in a tier. I'm not trying to use the tiers for that and have it contend with the majority.
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I don't hate Bleach and Naruto. Now I just can't give a fucking damn about them.
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Hey. Thanks for seeing the forest and not the tree (good ol' Vagabond reference).
It's not very unrealistic to see someone else's opinion, take it for what it is, and keep it moving. I obviously see things differently and I don't expect the next guy to have read Natsume Ono. Most people would probably dismiss it as "WTF" or ignore it since I haven't seen much of any of her work in any other tier. That's just the way it goes. In no way am I disrespecting One Piece. The accolades it receives definitely attest to it's greatness and I'm not renouncing it in any way. But of course, people are going to misconstrue my opinion, bash it, make baseless claims like "you taste r badddsss" and everything else, instead of asking: "oh hey, you think "x series" is on the same level of "y series," why is that?" Or any number of non-threatening and friendly ways.
I dunno why I said all of this to just you, maybe in the hopes that you'd read it, since you understand where I'm coming from, I get a feeling of acceptance (gold star for me!) or at the very least, understanding.
I am pretty sure Vagabond didn't make that up (god I love Vagabond). I understand what it feels like to be chewed out for no real reason and I respect that it takes balls to come to a site like Arlong Park and but Bleach on One Piece's level (in a non-trollish fashion that is).
Yes! I know people hate bleach with a vengeance, especially here, which is another reason I'm interested in being here. I honestly appreciate each series for what it does. I'm not out to classify and compare each series with one another because that kinda takes away from the experience. At times, I think: "Damn, some people seriously hate Bl" and wonder why that is. I still find merit in it and enjoy it. Am I wrong for that (I know someone is going to say yes)? To me, it just seems like a waste of effort.
I can't really compose my thoughts any better than that, just woke up. I don't think my comment expanded upon much either but whatevs
What's important is staying true to how your feel regardless of what the masses tell you. I remember a few years back I felt pressured to like a certain type of music because all of my friends did and it sort of defined our style - but at the end of the day I simply did not get any joy from this music and I would have been lying to myself and everyone around be if I acted otherwise.
Point being, don't define yourself by how you think others will view you…judging by your actions in this thread I feel as though I am preaching to choir sort of speak.
Who doesn't?:wassat:
That's what I am saying! Shit is delicious.
Its not:getlost:
I never said otherwise. I have no idea what is going on in the world of Bleach. I am not exactly fit to compare and contrast it to my favorite series.
I actually liked Bleach until after that Deicide arc. Now it is horrible.
Even with its multiple plot and power inconsistencies, skipped fights, neglected characters and powers, completely forgotten characters, the appearing behind someone over and over and over, trolling, lack of backgrounds, unbearably slow pace, etc, I continued to read.
Even after seeing that it was a complete Yu Yu Hakusho (which is one of my favorites ever) rip-off.
Again, I can't get up for Bleach so I stopped trying. We agree on YYH.
I like D.Gray-man more than Vagabond however I know Vagabond is better quality so I listed higher because of that.
Of what I've read DGM is solid and enjoyable. Vagabond is freaking epic. As you mentioned, to each his own.
I dont care that he put Bleach at the same level since its his opinion. I just can not understand it at all.
Don't know why but I find this a bit sad.
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much respect to rocco. i may not agree with some of your placements but that doesn't mean i can't respect your strong willpower. kudos to you sir.
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Well, if he said Bleach is a good manga, I would argue. But he only said Bleach is a manga he can relate to, then we just have to respect that. It not a matter of right and wrong.
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@MDL:
much respect to rocco. i may not agree with some of your placements but that doesn't mean i can't respect your strong willpower. kudos to you sir.
For sure. This list is all pretty insignificant now that I think about it. I'm sure things will change with it as time goes on but for now I'm content with my decisions.
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@THE:
Well, if he said Bleach is a good manga, I would argue. But he only said Bleach is a manga he can relate to, then we just have to respect that. It not a matter of right and wrong.
The thing is this thread is supposed to be where we rank manga based on quality standard.Oh yeah, the quality thing. I meant to address that. That whole quality-standard is tricky tricky. What exactly defines quality? I'm not taking the easy exit, I'm just asking. It's all pretty subjective. It seems like there is some unspoken rule that elevates certain series above one another automatically. I mean, sure, people project criteria from literature and films onto other forms of art all the time but I don't think that's the route to go. I mean most of it is all pretty quantitative anyway. People can debate about this shizz up the yahoo but eh, I just don't want to go that route. My personal idea of quality is in that list. And even though this is a OP forum, in that list, OP is only a small portion of the equation. Like I said, nothing aside from it's placing, can really be viewed as negative. I'm not debasing it at all.
Outside of a tier, OP is great. Everything is. If I didnt like it, I wouldn't buy it. And I wouldn't put myself into a cycle of self-depreciation out of obligation to something I didnt want.
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Oh yeah, the quality thing. I meant to address that. That whole quality-standard is tricky tricky. What exactly defines quality? I'm not taking the easy exit, I'm just asking. It's all pretty subjective. It seems like there is some unspoken rule that elevates certain series above one another automatically. I mean, sure, people project criteria from literature and films onto other forms of art all the time but I don't think that's the route to go. I mean most of it is all pretty quantitative anyway. People can debate about this shizz up the yahoo but eh, I just don't want to go that route. My personal idea of quality is in that list. And even though this is a OP forum, in that list, OP is only a small portion of the equation. Like I said, nothing aside from it's placing, can really be viewed as negative. I'm not debasing it at all.
Outside of a tier, OP is great. Everything is. If I didnt like it, I wouldn't buy it. And I wouldn't put myself into a cycle of self-depreciation out of obligation to something I didnt want.
It'd be useless to discuss it with you since you don't seem to care about story-telling and such.
There are many things, from idea, theme, message to structure, characterization, execution, panel layout, pace, angle, etc. There are thing that has more art and thinking than another.
Is this idea dull or unique? Is the author using his tool well to convey the message? Is what he does serve his purpose efficiently? Is the plot carefully prepared or just ass-pulling? Did the author emphasize what's important? Is the role and screen-time of characters well-balanced? There are more to reading manga than just associating with the character. Rating manga is a work that requires both rational thinking and emotion. -
Tier 1 (Platinum):
not simple, NANA, Vagabond, REAL, Pluto, Oyasumi Punpun, GTOTier 2 (Gold):
Everything else by Natsume Ono, 20th Century Boys, Monster, Solanin, FMA, Whistle!, Cross Game, JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, Sand Chronicles, SaiyukiTier 3 (Silver):
BLEACH, Hajime no Ippo, One Piece, Claymore, Yotsuba&!, Firefighter Daigo, BakumanTier 4 (Bronze):
RuroKen, Naruto, Flame of Recca, HxH, Shaman King, Kekkaishi, Hikaru no GoTier 5 (Brass):
Reborn, Fairy Tail, Gantz, Hoshin EngiTier 6 (Rock?):
Air Gear, Kenichi, Negima, DN AngelTier 7 (Dirt?)
Everything else.You have Bleach listed as third. You have Fairy Tail above Negima. You have Kenichi and Negima sixth. You have Naruto, Shaman King and Reborn above sixth. Your list is terrible. Quit whining and accept this.
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I am pretty sure Vagabond didn't make that up (god I love Vagabond). I understand what it feels like to be chewed out for no real reason and I respect that it takes balls to come to a site like Arlong Park and but Bleach on One Piece's level (in a non-trollish fashion that is).
What's important is staying true to how your feel regardless of what the masses tell you. I remember a few years back I felt pressured to like a certain type of music because all of my friends did and it sort of defined our style - but at the end of the day I simply did not get any joy from this music and I would have been lying to myself and everyone around be if I acted otherwise.
Point being, don't define yourself by how you think others will view you…judging by your actions in this thread I feel as though I am preaching to choir sort of speak.
That's what I am saying! Shit is delicious.
I never said otherwise. I have no idea what is going on in the world of Bleach. I am not exactly fit to compare and contrast it to my favorite series.
Again, I can't get up for Bleach so I stopped trying. We agree on YYH.
Of what I've read DGM is solid and enjoyable. Vagabond is freaking epic. As you mentioned, to each his own.
Don't know why but I find this a bit sad.
True enough. That Vagabond reference is probably deeply rooted in Japanese society, but man oh man do I remember that panel(s) very well. Seeing Musashi realize that for the first time is definitely a vivid memory. But yeah, I'm not trolling. Glad you can see that. If I wanted to troll… well, that's another story
Words of wisdom man. Thanks for sharing the music issue you had. Makes sense. Funny how this whole little forum debacle can stand in for something much bigger than what it is. But I agree with you 100%.