they can't stop this shit. they can't catch them all. they would just become more slick.
Shueisha wants to get rid of free online manga
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"hurting mangakas in real life", "their souls are deeply hurt". lol.
The end of online manga scans, part 4,728.
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I don't believe IRC has ever been successfully taken on.
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I can't help it if I can't read Japanese.
Besides, many of the series I read aren't released in english format for storesI blame merchandising not thinking things through
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Greg and Robby have both pretty much hit the nail on the head so many times the nail has receded into the surface a good 5 inches or more.
Foreign fans shouldn't freak about this, they're not throwing down the gauntlet and saying "Cut it out or we WILL get you!" They're just nicely asking (practically pleading) for people to stop.
Yada Yada, look up Greg's posts again, he got this perfectly already.Also as I said, Robby too. If Viz can do this with Rin-Ne, they can do it with One Piece too. Heck, Bleach and Naruto are their major moneymakers. They could do One Piece, Naruto, and Bleach and release their own "Online Mini-Jump" and RAKE in the dough with all the people who would jump on that bandwagon. Hell, I can't stand some of Viz's translation things (Zolo, Chopper's "Boosts", The "Merry Go") but I would pay for this service.
Though, about Jump's plea, personally, I don't think this will affect us very much, if at all.
Magashare has One Piece every week, and they seem to have their own scanning source independent of the usual random raw release, since they often beat a normal random raw release. I prefer to read scanlations anyway, since Jump Raw scans are usually TERRIBLE quality. Mangashare usually does a really good job of cleaning up the manga, and has very few of the translation things I hate from fan translations (like, they stopped giving Iva that retarded German accent)I support One Piece, always have and always will. I preorder the FUNimation DVDs every single time faithfully, I watch the simulcast every week, I buy every tankōbon volume (I usually wait until 5 or so new volumes come out, and buy them in bulk to save on shipping, but I DO Buy them) and I had a subscription to Jump at one point, I have every Jump from near the start of the Davy Back Fight through to the Straw Hats heading for Enies Lobby on the Rocketman in weekly Jump format. I only stopped getting them because the Japanese Market I was getting them at was almost a month late with each issue, and I just decided "Fuck it, I'll just get the tankōbon"
Hell, I can read Japanese, have the tankōbon and don't like Viz and their "Zolo" crap very much, but I've still got a couple volumes of the Viz manga and have picked up nearly every copy of US Jump since the speed up began (I'm missing the March issue, couldn't find a copy for some reason)
So I support this series. I support this series VERY much. If I just had back all the money I spent on my Portrait of Pirates Figures ALONE I'd be a pretty damn rich girl right now!
I don't know how to end this post gracefully, so I'm just going to take a short bow.Bows
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I can't help it if I can't read Japanese.
Yes you can. You can go through years of intensive study and expensive college classes, devoting hours of every day to trying to learn the spoken language and its three written subsets.
Its not practical, and some people just don't have the ability to take in a second language (I don't, unfortunatley, and I've tried at some length…) but it IS something you can help.
Now, that being realistic or applicable to more than a handful of examples, like our very own Greg? Not really.
The publishers providing multi-language translations and meeting demand? HEY, THAT MAKES SENSE AND PROFIT.
But you know. The biggest manga magazine around that actually has the resources, international offices, and backup to make it happen can't be arsed.
long fangasm of support
Yeah. This. I know we're not representative of all fans. But we gotta represent at least enough of a portion to make it sensible. Your fans will give you money guys. You just have to give them the product.
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Didn't marvel (or dc) go digital and put up all the archives, to see for a yearly fee?
If it was for one piece I would go to the burocratic hell that is Cadivi in order to get the credit card dollars to see the digital distribution. If I had to import it… ewh.. not so much, customs here are 4x the product price.
But what, if shonen jump cost 2.50$, to buy a whole year is 2.50$*47 (taking out golden week, that week in agost, and the 3 end of year stuff), it cost (rounded up) 118$ to read shonen jump a whole year (in japan).
I don't know how much load a server would need to allow every japanesse jump reader to read it online, I don't know how much does the supply line and printing line cost, but I'll guess that it is cheaper, in the end will get you more clients... and...
Who am I kidding, they would ipblock it to use outside japan.
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@robbybedfart:
Yes you can. You can go through years of intensive study and expensive college classes, devoting hours of every day to trying to learn the spoken language and its three written subsets.
Actually, One Piece is a Shounen series. Shounen are written with Fugrigana for every single Kanji, since Kids read Jump. (Furigana are the little Hiragana on top of the Kanji)
So you only really need to know two XD
But what, if shonen jump cost 2.50$, to buy a whole year is 2.50$*47 (taking out golden week, that week in agost, and the 3 end of year stuff), it cost (rounded up) 118$ to read shonen jump a whole year (in japan)
You're right, but they'd be able to charge much less for an online Jump. Online Jump would be devoid of printing cost, shipping cost, and retailer markup. Plus, Jump already has ads in it, but being on a website, they'd be able to have more ads per webpage, and show video ads, so they'd be able to make a lot more in ad-revenue.
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Yeah, I was about to say that. :ermm: lol
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You're right, but they'd be able to charge much less for an online Jump. Online Jump would be devoid of printing cost, shipping cost, and retailer markup. Plus, Jump already has ads in it, but being on a website, they'd be able to have more ads per webpage, and show video ads, so they'd be able to make a lot more in ad-revenue.
So theoretically, they could charge a lot less for an online jump subscription, and still make a major profit.I guess that the servers are cheaper than printing and shipping. And I didn't think of the publicity income…
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Alot of these ideas sound great, but it wouldn't do any good to just keep listing what could be done without any sort of effort at trying to pitch the idea to Viz. What good would it do? Probably none. Could it hurt? Sure why not. Am I gonna do anything? Nah, haha.
And mangastream's translations are spotty, Viz… does a fine job at what they're doing. And so I keep buying what they release.
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I wish I could subscribe to weekly jump. Or pick it up locally. :pouty:
(more importantly, afford to import)
I'm in the same boat here…
But i doubt this will be going anyway. Shame about raw paradise though...
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@Solar:
Alot of these ideas sound great, but it wouldn't do any good to just keep listing what could be done without any sort of effort at trying to pitch the idea to Viz. What good would it do? Probably none. Could it hurt? Sure why not. Am I gonna do anything? Nah, haha.
And mangastream's translations are spotty, Viz… does a fine job at what they're doing. And so I keep buying what they release.
Then start an online petition.
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That's a great idea, you do it.
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@Solar:
And mangastream's translations are spotty, Viz… does a fine job at what they're doing. And so I keep buying what they release.
Actually, that's kindof a catch-22. Go to any random page of the Viz manga thread and you'll read about the censorship and spotty translations in the Viz manga too. ("Kami Eneru" comes to mind instantly)
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Viz does a fine job, and the scanlators don't?! Kami dammit, did someone just say that?! what would that
gaycrazy guy Bon Clay think of all this?!Zolo
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I always thought free online manga is what usually inspires people to go out and buy the Manga/anime, due to them becoming hooked.
E.g. Beelzebub.
I doubt I'd own half the collection I currently have if it wasn't for online scans. Its not like you can go approach stores with a hit and miss attitude in the hope your hard earned money will purchase something worth reading.
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And this is news how?
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Haki must be magic. What could top that?
Sides, Viz Media isn't all that bad. The story is the same. Message is the same. Most of the names are there. I dunno. I don't really find it a completely flawed product. If it was, I would not be buying them… Unless I'm an idiot and the people that says it's crap are complete geniuses.
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This is probably some ballsy-move because of the ACTA discussions, I'm surprised people are actually caring.
That said, I've been slandering Shueisha for years and while it's good to see people complain about it (finally) I'm annoyed it took people this long to start
I'm against the R1 industry and do not support legitimate release (and actively encourage piracy) but really, VIZ Media did not become the manga hegemon because of online manga. Actually, that's wrong, it did become the hegemon because of free access to the manga and providing people the opportunity to support series they like (ugh). This is a dumb idea for online scanslators and won't really do much but make things more inconvenient for a lot of people.
That said with the relatively cheap price of manga in Japan I'm surprised Shueisha is pulling a douche move like this…especially with record profits.
Nevermind, I'm not surprised, this is the same arrogance they've always waved around. :/
Sides, Viz Media isn't all that bad. The story is the same. Message is the same. Most of the names are there. I dunno. I don't really find it a completely flawed product. If it was, I would not be buying them… Unless I'm an idiot and the people that says it's crap are complete geniuses.
It's not much better than a licensed scanslation.
Sure, people have high expectations, but the people VIZ Media hires make really noob mistakes that show an utterly lack of familiarity with the source material.
Years ago with the Ranma 1/2 translation, the translators actually read and enjoyed the manga first and knew what the heck they were doing. They were also manga fans and had a community to consult for the odd references. It takes a lot of creativity & skill to localize something without being flat out wrong in translation, something severel lacking in modern manga quality.
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Actually, that's kindof a catch-22. Go to any random page of the Viz manga thread and you'll read about the censorship and spotty translations in the Viz manga too. ("Kami Eneru" comes to mind instantly)
I'm just singling out mangastream though. No seriously, just compare any given chapter with one of cnet's scripts.
And Viz is good stop being a lamer. :T
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They should have add a picture of a sad, sad Kishimoto touching his chest showing us that his soul is in pain.
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They should have add a picture of a sad, sad Kishimoto touching his chest showing us that his soul is in pain.
Don't forget that Kishimoto should be wearing mascara, and have that mascara run due to his delicious emo kid tears.
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They should have add a picture of a sad, sad Kishimoto touching his chest showing us that his soul is in pain.
Maybe he… hiperventilates??? :cwy:
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I wonder how this will affect One Piece RAWs now :<
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Honestly, I see very little changing, other than sites (such as Raw Paradise) freaking out and removing their data. Shueisha and other companies have been doing this for a while. It only seems to affect America if one of our companies requests the Scans be removed (Such as Dark Horse and Viz). Most people balk at having the Raws removed, since there's so much traffic of Raws that, like Greg and several others have mentioned, they have to practically beg people to submit to their will and remove them. If, on the other hand, Viz or another company catches wind, then more often than not, you see an instant change on most of the major scanlation sites. Funimation and Toei is even now trolling Youtube with a special program that detects any Anime openings or Episodes; if you've been looking for, say, Fairy Tail Openings, you won't find them unless they're upside down. Also, less tasteful series are disappearing altogether… Remember the big controversy over Kodomo no Jikan? Well, now, you can't find scans of KnJ anywhere anymore... the series has seemingly vanished. Hellsing has also been removed from the internet at Dark Horse's request. And so on, and so forth.
Personally, it doesn't bother me that much. I read several series from Jump and other providers, but I'll often support the authors by buying the books. I'll even buy Shonen Jump every month in support of the authors and to see what new series I might be missing (that aren't mentioned here). All the online reading does is provide me with the latest chapters. If that disappears... well, I can always take the time to learn Japanese and import them, or just be a patient man and wait.
That said, nothing's really going to change, until the actual translator companies start taking action. And when that happens... well, there's always Manwha. And when that's gone... remember that book you so casually tossed in the corner? Pick that up and finish it.
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I don't know how much load a server would need to allow every japanesse jump reader to read it online, I don't know how much does the supply line and printing line cost, but I'll guess that it is cheaper, in the end will get you more clients… and...
I don't think hosting will be a problem, since many many manga sites do it every week, and onemanga has a HUGE backlog. This isn't video, it's just pictures.
@Demon:Actually, that's kindof a catch-22. Go to any random page of the Viz manga thread and you'll read about the censorship and spotty translations in the Viz manga too. ("Kami Eneru" comes to mind instantly)
People are being more picky in Viz' case, because they expect a higher standard for manga they have to pay for. In Enel's case, Kami is acceptable and understandable because people are stupid about god in this country (at this rate, in fifty or a hundred years we may breed radical christians who bomb others when they depict Jesus or God in art, just like radical Muslims do), and "Eneru" is Funimation's official translation (that's what wikipedia said anyway), which Viz is abiding by for continuity's sake.
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my soul!i will go to the mangaka hell.
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my soul!i will go to the mangaka hell.
Everyone on the internet is going to hell, if Big Business is to be believed. :P
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Everyone on the internet is going to hell, if Big Business is to be believed. :P
Imagine what kickass discussions we can have once we all end up down below. It'll be like a big Apforums reunion party.
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As much as I love Oda and would dream to suck his balls…yeah Shueisha can go fuck itself. Harsh words but did Shueisha care about me when it made that little speech? Nope it was caring about it's mangakas souls which basically equates to money. Reading manga is my greatest pleasure and One Piece especially is my life. I'm not exaggerating or anything, it CONTROLS me. To the point that I have pseudo withdrawal symptoms with even ONE week break. Now, I live in a European microstate in the middle of nowhere. Online scanlations is the only way I get my fix and Shueisha is telling me I can't have that because I wasn't born in Japan? The irony is had I been born in Japan, I would probably buy Jump every week especially for One Piece as well as Shonen Sunday for Conan and Kenichi and Shonen Magazine for Negima. But I wasn't and I have to make due with what I have. Sorry if that sounds selfish but then again this is a battle of selfish desires between the foreign fans and Shueisha.
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Everyone on the internet is going to hell, if Big Business is to be believed. :P
wait.there is no hell in buddhism.there is reincarnation.samsaraaaaa
If one lives in extremely evil ways, one is reborn as an animal -
wait.there is no hell in buddhism.there is reincarnation.samsaraaaaa
If one lives in extremely evil ways, one is reborn as an animalNo, if one does some bad things one may be reborn as animal (like bugs) but if one is too evil one may endure almost forever in hell. There are chancse that after several thousand years, that one gets reborn as animal.
Not that I believe, but Buddhism is the most popular religion in my country. I was once a Buddhist.
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wait.there is no hell in buddhism.there is reincarnation.samsaraaaaa
If one lives in extremely evil ways, one is reborn as an animalSometimes I feel like I've been reborn into a herd of sheep, who follow political rhetoric like a religion, and regularly line up to be fucked in the ass by politicians and major corporations… like Shueisha.
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@The:
No, if one does some bad things one may be reborn as animal (like bugs) but if one is too evil one may endure almost forever in hell. There are chancse that after several thousand years, that one gets reborn as animal.
Not that I believe, but Buddhism is the most popular religion in my country. I was once a Buddhist.
On topic, Shueisha sucks. Nuff said.but if one does bad things but not too much,may one reborn in a sheep or an eagle or a wallabie?i wonder
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They can't do anything against this new age of Internet. Same for music of movies.
However, some countries like France /brag "Second country of manga"; some ppl read the manga online and don't buy anything, while we have tons of mangas released. These guy are shit. I guess it's same for Japan.
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Hmm, it hurts the mangaka to show there work to a broader audience? Like I give a shit those rich motherfuckers can suck a dick to save there lives.
Seems like japan is just as full of bullshit as america.
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but if one does bad things but not too much,may one reborn in a sheep or an eagle or a wallabie?i wonder
Yes. Luffy may be reborn as a monkey. Zoro a shark. Bad boys. Only according to Buddhism of course.
And that means there are no new souls created. How can? Don't tell me the more humans are, the less other animals grow and in the end there are no other animals. World population always increase. -
Seems like japan is just as full of bullshit as america.
SEEMS?
Well, no duh. Japan isn't the cotton-candy land of manga where everyone is extremely nice in a perfect society of perfectness…...
And besides, it's not BS if Shueinsha is just asking for people to stop scanning, they want to make money, no shit. But we're the ones in the dilemma, not the cheap guy in Japan who can't buy a fking Jump. He could just... buy a fking Jump...
Even though everyone has said that :V
If this means "OMGSCANSAMARAGEDDON" so be it. I'll find something I enjoy more than OP, and since I read it the wrong way, I could reread OP from official releases, when I have the money. Shoot, I might even find as better manga. Even though I know this won't be the end of scans....
Or the start of legal ones, as said before.
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SEEMS?
Well, no duh. Japan isn't the cotton-candy land of manga where everyone is extremely nice in a perfect society of perfectness…...
it's not…
Well shit I feel that person. Im not paying to see this shit and it comes out every week when I can get it for free online. All the money mangka are making with merchandise and etc and there mad becuase people view it online? I been had illegal cable and I never ay my paperboy. Shit, fuck It I don't pay for information.
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Im not paying to see this shit and it comes out every week when I can get it for free online.
Why not? What's wrong with being able to LEGALLY support English OP up to recent, and I mean RECENT chapters? :wassat:
Thinking like that doesn't help anything, and if you don't feel like supporting OP because "you can get it for FREE WOW" then so be it.
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There really does have to be a balance between the scans and the legit stuff for something to be resolved in this. As I see it, there will always be a time where movies and music will have the legit and the pirate channels for those who get their kicks (but with the legit side, there will be some money to the industry to at least allow for the artists to continue what they love…it's more about them than it is about the companies behind them)...so at least there has to be a way to support the mangaka through an online option while at the same time acknowledging "we won't please everyone because there will always be the free stuff".
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I read OP every week online, but I also have all manga editions that came out in my country. I only read online cause I don't want to wait 3 month every time i finish the current book. Sorry but 3 month between every book is a way to long…
So bring the current translated wsj editions out in my country or get fuck off...
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@Tokoro:
There really does have to be a balance between the scans and the legit stuff for something to be resolved in this. As I see it, there will always be a time where movies and music will have the legit and the pirate channels for those who get their kicks (but with the legit side, there will be some money to the industry to at least allow for the artists to continue what they love…it's more about them than it is about the companies behind them)...so at least there has to be a way to support the mangaka through an online option while at the same time acknowledging "we won't please everyone because there will always be the free stuff".
The balance between downloads and piracy is actually getting resolved relatively quickly in the music and television industries. In ten years, we've gone from rampant, unstoppable piracy to successful legitimate television and music outlets online, many of which are made without a middle man. I think within the next decade, we'll see manga published free online first, and later collected into tankoubans, much like the Nostalgia Critic and AVGN system.
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Sides, Viz Media isn't all that bad. […] Unless I'm an idiot and the people that says it's crap are complete geniuses.
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I don't think hosting will be a problem, since many many manga sites do it every week, and onemanga has a HUGE backlog. This isn't video, it's just pictures.
True, other online manga services manages to work with only publicity revenue. I didn't thought of them…
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SO what do you guys think, will we still get our weekly manga or not?
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Viz does a fine job, and the scanlators don't?! Kami dammit, did someone just say that?! what would that
gaycrazy guy Bon Clay think of all this?!Zolo
Better than scanlations. :happy:
Seriously. In a way, all of those terms can be acceptable. "Kami" is what the Kanji says for "God," (it's probably the closest thing to using "God" they can do) the romanization for "Bon Kurei" is stupid (seriously, "Bon Clay" flows much better). And for "Zolo"… yeah, huge difference between Ls and Rs, aren't there? Besides, everyone thinks FUNimation is great yet they use "Bon Clay." FUNimation has made an even bigger mistake than Viz by saying Zoro KILLED Mr. 1, when in fact he obviously didn't. And people watched the TV version even though Eneru was called a king (hell, Kami is way closer than that) and they used Zolo.
But yeah, all Viz does is tone down most of the precious over-the-top swearing (which isn't even a mistranslation) and a FEW names are BARELY changed.
Back on topic... I really wish sites like One Manga and MangaStream would get taken down, in favor for Viz posting new chapters up every week. That way, people who read scanlations could still support it. But if that doesn't happen, I guess the only way to keep up will be to read it online illegally. I buy all of the volumes of One Piece that Viz puts out (plus I've been subscribed to Shonen Jump for years), and I've been told by someone that reads scanlations that "I'm stupid for buying something I can get online for free."
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If Viz got up and finally gave up to date, scanned manga on their own site, i'd never look back to Onemanga. The hit's they'd get… hoo boy
I'd be able to live with "Oh come my way", Kami, and Zolo.
really.
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If I could go buy Shonen Jump for 2.50$ every week here and translated. I would. (make that like 3.50$ for the extra translating work)But instead I buy the volumes from Viz. The speed up schedule was a wonderful idea and was basically my motivation to make the purchases.
come on Shueisha, move this train in the right direction. You'd make quite a bit of bank.
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Did Shueisha forget that the illegal online scans are what made their manga famous internationally? We created a new demand, and now we're killing their souls. Hahaha… their marketing team should get fired =x
Like Greg and Robby already stated, they could be handling this situation in such a way that they could profit even more. Instead, they're just blocking out market segments.
Im not paying to see this shit and it comes out every week when I can get it for free online. All the money mangka are making with merchandise and etc and there mad becuase people view it online? I been had illegal cable and I never ay my paperboy. Shit, fuck It I don't pay for information.
Bro, you're just cheap.
The mangaka deserve to be paid for all of their work. They have families and shit too; they should get all the money they make. Plus, if Shueisha/Viz published their manga up-to-date in english online, do you think people will still do scans? No, they won't, since all of the scanlators actively state that people should support the mangaka and buy the actual stuff when it comes out in their countries.