True he won't leave until Luffy is at full health… even if it cost his life
Next Crewmate Discussion (Vol. 4)
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i wish hancock will join she looked so hot in the latest chapter haha but shark man will join the crew hes still with luffy he has nothing to go back to and he feels like he need to pay back ace by protecting luffy so shark man may try to help ace live out his dream through luffy so shark man the new member
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Boa looked really hot this chapter. But Nami and Marguarite are hotter
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I wonder if Hancock will lose her status..i just hope she joins!!!
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if i could choose myself
jinbei and croc because i know they would have a great rivalry going
although if bon-chans still out there…... we can only hope
haha yeah bon chan would be great, hopefully hes not in the okama fields.
I except him to turn up in 100 chapters haha :)
I actually have a theory regarding Bon Chan. Lets say he didn't get his ass Hydra'd and was in the middle of fighting Magellan when Magellan got word of what was happening in level six. Magellan may have left the fight to head to level six where we can assumed he got trashed like baby in a dryer. I'm sure BB took out more ID workers on his way back out as well, so I'm guessing that theres still a chance that Bon Chan could have made it out of the Prison.
@KiShiDo:Moria will join Kidd pirates.
Please someone save moria
No Moria needs to die.
Jinbei would need to be assured that Luffy's alright before leaving.
And once Luffy is well, theres always the chance that he'll swim straight off to salvage his land.
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Jinbei will probably leave if he hears that Fishman island came under attack, but he'll probably stay if it isn't.
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@The:
No Moria needs to die.
Only horrible heartless people want that to happen.
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He never said he "wants" it to happen, he said it needs to happen.
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Jinbei would need to be assured that Luffy's alright before leaving.
That's the general consensus. However, it's not 100% clear that he will do so. That's why I said that he may not go to AL, thought I feel it's more likely that he will.
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About your current theory Deicide, why do you think Hancock won't just leave with her crew and people? She does have a ship after all?
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I think Jinbei is going to stay until Elder Nyon tells them (reading the newspaper) that Fishman Island is in total chaos now that Whitebeard is dead. Hearing this, Jinbei will leave Luffy to Hancock's care saying that he has to help the people in Fishman Island.
@ Deicide - your "current theory", why would the government hunt hancock? The reasoning she gave to take Luffy to AL was because the government doesn't doubt her. Or are you thinking Smoker catches up and see's them..? I think you're trying to force a reunion of SH's too quick there.
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But if they are getting rid of Moria, I think Hancock is still on their radar, let's not forget that Smoker and Sento saw her betray them, and once they start snooping around Impel down, they'll probably connect the dots.
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About your current theory Deicide, why do you think Hancock won't just leave with her crew and people? She does have a ship after all?
Because it's more dramatic than her just leaving and because it allows the Strawhats to participate in a possible "Amazon Lily part II" arc.
I think Jinbei is going to stay until Elder Nyon tells them (reading the newspaper) that Fishman Island is in total chaos now that Whitebeard is dead. Hearing this, Jinbei will leave Luffy to Hancock's care saying that he has to help the people in Fishman Island.
@ Deicide - your "current theory", why would the government hunt hancock? The reasoning she gave to take Luffy to AL was because the government doesn't doubt her. Or are you thinking Smoker catches up and see's them..? I think you're trying to force a reunion of SH's too quick there.
With Moria being hunted down because he's not worthy of the title anymore, who's to say that Hancock is not next? Hancock says that as long as she's a shichibukai, they may rest in safety. From a dramatic standpoint, that's really tempting fate. People saw her protecting Luffy and stopping Pacifistas in the middle of battle. The ship she just took from Marineford after saying she'd hunt Luffy disappeared.
And even before that, she was never cooperative towards the government. Jinbei called her the "Idle Princess", because she pretty much did nothing. The only one who ever benefited from her title was Hancock herself.
I believe that the government will just think she's more a burden than a benefit and off her. Or they may find her treason and revoke her title.
Now the usual disclaimer:
It's just a theory.
Something I know for sure about One Piece: we sometimes can predict what may happen in a very generic manner, like "Whitebeard will die" or "X will join", but we never get it right when we try to predict HOW those things will happen. I never got a right prediction about detailed events (remember my prediction for the end of war in chapter 579? I failed to get anything right!).
So, I don't really expect this prediction to be very accurate. However, it's fun to throw out some probable scenarios just to have the bragging rights of saying "I told you so" if anything ever comes close to what you predicted.
It's also fun to see people agreeing or disagreeing. Sometimes, people's input helps to see the likeness of something happening.
Anyway, that's it. Comment my theory people!
By the way, the full theory is actually here: http://www.apforums.net/showthread.php?p=1571579#post1571579 The sig is just a shorter version.
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I have to agree..there is no way in hell that Hancock is just going to walk away scot free after all the stuff she's pulled and the fact that we are going back to Amazon Lily just puts more points in her favor.
Of course, Oda may turn this all around, but so far, it's all pointing her way…
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I don't know how they will connect Luffy being able to break into Impel down to Hancock. Or am I missing something? I believe Moria is getting rid of is due to him being defeated by Luffy thus embarassing the imagine of the WG. Hancock has never cared for the marines and that had been established, so I highly doubt they are going to hunt down Hancock due to her standing infront of PX's.
Also the marines have far greater concerns atm, the level 6 prisoners that has escaped, getting Marineford sorted out. Also with the little conflict we have seen within the marines, there could be arguments between the elders and Sengoku.
Anyways my point is, I dont think Hancock is anywhere up there with the marine's top concerns or "radar" as you have put it.
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Because it's more dramatic than her just leaving and because it allows the Strawhats to participate in a possible "Amazon Lily part II" arc.
I don't mean it like that, I meant that with your theory playing out, and the Strawhats showing up, why doesn't she leave with her people when her islands being destroyed? She can just have a final moment with Luffy until they meet again, a quick promise to meet again or something? The crew screaming at Luffy to get on the ship etc. I just don't get why she wouldn't go with her people, her sisters, and her duty as ruler?
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When the did they report an intruder? Right after Hancock entered the prison
And I think the Marines are going to try and find out HOW Luffy got in to Impel down. And remember that Hancock fought Smoker too..and he said. 'Do you have any idea what the Marines are going to do to you after you've gotten in our way?"
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By the way, the full theory is actually here: http://www.apforums.net/showthread.php?t=23106&page=21 The sig is just a shorter version.
I can see where you're coming from. I'll read your full argument and get back to ya :]
But I just think people are wanting too much action, but yeah, I'll be back!:ninja:
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Also, people are thinking the marines will connect the dots, but like in Moria's situation, this has nothing to do with the marines, but the World Government. The marines do not have the authority to chase after the Shichibukai. So, the marines may be occupied, but the Gorousei may have used this war to test the Shichibukai. After the hit on Moria, I don't doubt Hancock would be next.
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I could see Hancock and Luffy fighting at Al and the straw hats showing up during it. Though I have this feeling we are going to get a very sped up first part of the story, where everyone gets together and heads to Lougetown. Except now it's Fishman Island instead.
Alot of things are starting to repeat. Hancock just might be Luffy's "Zoro" in this situation.
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But if they are getting rid of Moria, I think Hancock is still on their radar, let's not forget that Smoker and Sento saw her betray them, and once they start snooping around Impel down, they'll probably connect the dots.
They may not even have to say anything considering the PX's may have already gave information to the higher ups. We don't know if the PX's have some form of communication or not.
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They may not even have to say anything considering the PX's may have already gave information to the higher ups. We don't know if the PX's have some form of communication or not.
True..there is too much we don't know yet..were just shooting in the dark.
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Could it be that project of Pacifistas was created to have strong army that could replace Shichibukai? Now, when they are complete (or almost) government is getting rid of them?
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Curious, the chapter when Hancock introduced had a color page of all the straw hats when THEY were introduced!
Coincidence? Or foreshadowing?
yea Hancock has the most coincidences, hints and so on in her favor. Like you said there was a color spread showing the strawhats the chapter they were introduced on the exact same chapter that Hancock was introduced.
We have a picture of Nami in Logue town wearing the same outfit both Robin and Hancock were wearing when we meet them. She has a good VA who has done long series before, such as main girl in sailor moon.
she has been helping luffy and is befriended him and luffy trusts her and would die before selling her out. she does have a sad past. she is strong. she got a title named after her very similar to other strawhats when we first met them.
she is one of the super few non strawhats to receive a birthday. her birthday septemeber and kuja pirates are both meaning 9. nine snakes, september ninth month. she would be the 9th member to join. she is the known as the pirate empress and we know luffy will be king, and heck possibly known as emperor at one point.
and i'm sure i could go fishing around for even more minute little things that could be considered a hint to her joining, but was just doing ones on top of head that are huge noticables.
and sure you can argue each of those points to a fault possibly or say someone else also has that such as title chapter after them, or say that point don't prove anything and so on. But you can't deny that ALL of them points together are sort of a little too convenient.
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I agree with Sammsy there is a butt-load of hints that Hancock will join.
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It is true that Hancock is the most likely, but there are still things that need to be resolved, most of which could happen if Amazon Lily is attacked.
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Well hopefully they'll be sorted out in Amazon Lily.
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Why do people think super coincidental shit is super foreshadowing done purposely by Oda?
I ain't bashing, I just asking.
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There's just too many coincidences to ignore them. Also..we need to do SOMETHING before they are proven wrong by the next chapter lol
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Why do people think super coincidental shit is super foreshadowing done purposely by Oda?
Blame the Chekov tropes.
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Why do people think super coincidental shit is super foreshadowing done purposely by Oda?
I ain't bashing, I just asking.
hey i was just listing all hancock facts down that can't be refuted. you yourself are just admiting that there is a bunch of coincidences with them.
or are you going to argue that any of those things i listed isn't true. if so go ahead. prove that those aren't true. prove to me that the next member wouldnt' be the ninth. prove to me that kuja pirates doesn't mean 9 snakes, and her flag has nine snakes on it, or that her birthday isnt' 9/2. prove to me that nami didnt' wear robin and hancocks outfits back in logue town. prove to me that hancock didnt' first appear on that cover spread of all the other strawhats showing picture of our first time seeing them. and others i listed. or that luffy doesn't trust her, or die for her. or that she isn't known as the empress.
i ain't being biased here, i am just listing things that are true and happened in the manga. you can't refute teh evidence. does it all mean something or just a huge coincidence, we don't know yet. but based on all that, hancock is the most prime suspect of new member
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Why do people think super coincidental shit is super foreshadowing done purposely by Oda?
I ain't bashing, I just asking.
They'll use anything and everything to make themselves think that their favorites have a chance.
prove to me that nami didnt' wear robin and hancocks outfits back in logue town. prove to me that hancock didnt' first appear on that cover spread of all the other strawhats showing picture of our first time seeing them. and others i listed.
Like this.
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hey i was just listing all hancock facts down that can't be refuted. you yourself are just admiting that there is a bunch of coincidences with them.
or are you going to argue that any of those things i listed isn't true. if so go ahead. prove that those aren't true. prove to me that the next member wouldnt' be the ninth. prove to me that kuja pirates doesn't mean 9 snakes, and her flag has nine snakes on it, or that her birthday isnt' 9/2. prove to me that nami didnt' wear robin and hancocks outfits back in logue town. prove to me that hancock didnt' first appear on that cover spread of all the other strawhats showing picture of our first time seeing them. and others i listed. or that luffy doesn't trust her, or die for her. or that she isn't known as the empress. i ain't being biased here, i am just listing things that are true and happened in the manga. you can't refute teh evidence. does it all mean something or just a huge coincidence, we don't know yet. but based on all that, hancock is the most prime suspect of new member
You're fucking with me… right? If so, I really hope you're a girl.
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Why do people think super coincidental shit is super foreshadowing done purposely by Oda?
I ain't bashing, I just asking.
Because a lot of authors, Oda included, like to put small hints here and there so that future events become believable. For a small example: in chapter 575, Hancock appears talking to Salome (her snake, and the first time it was named) that she's worried about Luffy. That's her last appearance before she appears again in chapter 580, taking a marine ship to pursue Luffy. And now we found that Salome was instrumental in allowing Hancock to find Luffy.
This is a common narrative device. That's why Oda sometimes put seemly random characters (like Garp or Rayleigh) hundreds of chapters before they appear. Once they appear, we notice that he was setting things up.
In addition, there's the so-called "hints" or "signs". Basically, hidden information some authors like to put in their works that foreshadow an event. Often, we only find the meaning of such information after the foreshadowed event happens. Examples include: Nami trying Robin's clothes in a shop in Logue Town or Luffy drawing a bad sketch of Franky while talking about the future shipwright before Water 7. None of these events have impact or meaning to the story, but can be seen as hints towards things to come.
However, the point is that foreshadow only makes sense once we reach the foreshadowed event. What fans try to do, however, is look for such signs and try to predict events in the work of fiction. The problem with doing so is that fans often misinterpret the hints, or see foreshadowing where there is none.
I don't care about people saying that Hancock join because Nami also tried a chinese dress in Logue Town, or because "Kuja" has "9" in it, or because the colorspread in the chapter that introduced Hancock also had all the introductions for other Strawhats. However, if Hancock does indeed join, all those signs were indeed foreshadowing the event. Right now, thought, they are just guesses.
I prefer to base my opinions on character development. I think Hancock will join because she has a very developed personality, a reason to follow Luffy, an existing relationship to Luffy and seeds to very interesting storylines.
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like this?
i was just stating things that happened in the manga and are known. those are pure facts, not baseless shit like we need a position filled in crew, we need a girl, or guy. we need a fishman, or so and so fits well with crew ect. those are all opinions.
these are facts.
1. Hancock is one of few to have known birthday (9/2, september 2)
2. She is captain of Kuja Pirates (9 snakes)
3. The next crewmate would be the 9th person to join.
4. Nami dressed up as both Robin and very similar to Hancock (http://media.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/00000097/02.jpg)
5. Hancock first appearance and receives name in title, and look at color page that week (http://media.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/000082031/01.jpg)
6. Luffy willing to die before selling out Hancock (http://media.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/000149972/04.jpg)now take those 6 points and you jump to your own conclusion. i'm not going to start posing opinionated stuff, just pointing out things in the manga. if you think they are just random facts, go ahead and be my guest. i won't stop you.
as deicide said you can each think of how a person joins how you want. he likes to base on character development. I DON'T. for one reason only, because that is all opinionated. One person may love how Hancock acts and would love to see her interactions with crew, while another hates it hugely. I dont' know how you could argue anything about how well hancock and luffy get along. Its obvious hancock woudl do anything for luffy and luffy as i pointed out also would never betray hancock.
if hancock ends up joingin like he said all those points i listed all of a sudden make everyone go DUH, how didn't we see it before. If she don't join, then they are just random facts that ended up to not point to anything. But isn't this a discussion on predicting next crewmember, so let me argue how i want to argue. and quit being a baby and argue back by just saying shit like "your fucking with me" wow great argument. i will take that as I won. If you can't even come up with a good argument and just start throwing out names that is the sign of a loser in an argument
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Because a lot of authors, Oda included, like to put small hints here and there so that future events become believable. For a small example: in chapter 575, Hancock appears talking to Salome (her snake, and the first time it was named) that she's worried about Luffy. That's her last appearance before she appears again in chapter 580, taking a marine ship to pursue Luffy. And now we found that Salome was instrumental in allowing Hancock to find Luffy.
This is a common narrative device. That's why Oda sometimes put seemly random characters (like Garp or Rayleigh) hundreds of chapters before they appear. Once they appear, we notice that he was setting things up.
In addition, there's the so-called "hints" or "signs". Basically, hidden information some authors like to put in their works that foreshadow an event. Often, we only find the meaning of such information after the foreshadowed event happens. Examples include: Nami trying Robin's clothes in a shop in Logue Town or Luffy drawing a bad sketch of Franky while talking about the future shipwright before Water 7. None of these events have impact or meaning to the story, but can be seen as hints towards things to come.
However, the point is that foreshadow only makes sense once we reach the foreshadowed event. What fans try to do, however, is look for such signs and try to predict events in the work of fiction. The problem with doing so is that fans often misinterpret the hints, or see foreshadowing where there is none.
I don't care about people saying that Hancock join because Nami also tried a chinese dress in Logue Town, or because "Kuja" has "9" in it, or because the colorspread in the chapter that introduced Hancock also had all the introductions for other Strawhats. However, if Hancock does indeed join, all those signs were indeed foreshadowing the event. Right now, thought, they are just guesses.
I prefer to base my opinions on character development. I think Hancock will join because she has a very developed personality, a reason to follow Luffy, an existing relationship to Luffy and seeds to very interesting storylines.
This is how I feel too. Those coincidences are 'comforting' but are in no way a basis for someone joining. The reason most think she is going to join is because of her development implications since she has shown up and how even now she still helps Luffy even at the cost of upsetting her former life. This too is in no way 'guarentees' her joining, but what it does mean is something needs to be settled before her story can move on, whether thats joining or not is for the future to tell.
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like this?
i was just stating things that happened in the manga and are known. those are pure facts, not baseless shit like we need a position filled in crew, we need a girl, or guy. we need a fishman, or so and so fits well with crew ect. those are all opinions.
While I agree that Oda does do foreshadowing and plans ahead, I have to draw the line at calling one character wearing an outfit for one panel that just so happens to resemble the style that another character introduced four-hundred-something chapters later wears evidence or a hint that they'll join the main cast.
Now where's AGOG? The one time I'm looking forward to reading his walls of text he's nowhere to be found. Come out and fight, ya coward!
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these are facts.
1. Hancock is one of few to have known birthday (9/2, september 2)
2. She is captain of Kuja Pirates (9 snakes)
3. The next crewmate would be the 9th person to join.
4. Nami dressed up as both Robin and very similar to Hancock (http://media.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/00000097/02.jpg)
5. Hancock first appearance and receives name in title, and look at color page that week (http://media.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/000082031/01.jpg)
6. Luffy willing to die before selling out Hancock (http://media.onemanga.com/mangas/00000002/000149972/04.jpg)Those are facts indeed, but the fallacy lies in thinking that they are facts that prove Hancock will join. One can say that they are evidence that Hancock may join, but not that they prove anything.
The fact is that Oda fleshed out Hancock quite a bit, and that points to her being a very important character to the storyline. Is she joining, though? I believe yes, but I can see why some people are not so sure (except when they consider only their tastes. Not liking a character has nothing to do with it. I remember quite a lot of people disliking Franky or Brook and using that hate to defend they'd never join).
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Because a lot of authors, Oda included, like to put small hints here and there so that future events become believable.
Yeah, I know that.
I know. For a small example: in chapter 575, Hancock appears talking to Salome (her snake, and the first time it was named) that she's worried about Luffy. That's her last appearance before she appears again in chapter 580, taking a marine ship to pursue Luffy. And now we found that Salome was instrumental in allowing Hancock to find Luffy.
I don't know all about that.
This is a common narrative device. That's why Oda sometimes put seemly random characters (like Garp or Rayleigh) hundreds of chapters before they appear. Once they appear, we notice that he was setting things up.
Yeah, but Garp and Rayleigh actually appeared.
Not Boa Hancock.In addition, there's the so-called "hints" or "signs". Basically, hidden information some authors like to put in their works that foreshadow an event. Often, we only find the meaning of such information after the foreshadowed event happens.
Yeah, those are fun.
Like you said, "it makes it believable."Examples include: Nami trying Robin's clothes in a shop in Logue Town or Luffy drawing a bad sketch of Franky while talking about the future shipwright before Water 7. None of these events have impact or meaning to the story, but can be seen as hints towards things to come.
True, true.
However, the point is that foreshadow only makes sense once we reach the foreshadowed event. What fans try to do, however, is look for such signs and try to predict events in the work of fiction. The problem with doing so is that fans often misinterpret the hints, or see foreshadowing where there is none.
True, fucking true.
I don't care about people saying that Hancock join because Nami also tried a chinese dress in Logue Town, or because "Kuja" has "9" in it, or because the colorspread in the chapter that introduced Hancock also had all the introductions for other Strawhats. However, if Hancock does indeed join, all those signs were indeed foreshadowing the event. Right now, thought, they are just guesses.
Those are the only usable hints, in my opinion.
But, at the same time, I look at the "because the colorspread in the chapter that introduced Hancock also had all the introductions for other Strawhats" hint as a big ass coincidence.Then again… this manga is created by Eiichiro Oda.
I prefer to base my opinions on character development. I think Hancock will join because she has a very developed personality, a reason to follow Luffy, an existing relationship to Luffy and seeds to very interesting storylines.
Yeah, I hear ya.
I know you aren't the typical Hancock supporting type of guy.Typical: "LuffyxHancock~!", "Luffy needs a Pirate Queen~!" or "We need more boobs~!"
Ehhh… for the last one I don't see nothing wrong with that, but that's just me.
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He's lying in wait..preparing his epic rebuttal.
And, reading what has been said before. I agree, if she joins, then we it was all foreshadowing, but if not..well we move on in our lives.
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Now where's AGOG? The one time I'm looking forward to reading his walls of text he's nowhere to be found. Come out and fight, ya coward!
Well, I don't think he'll appear. Here's a post of him about the last chapter in another forum (he's the Sheonite guy):
http://forum.onemanga.com/showpost.php?p=3629023&postcount=5
I have to admit that this Brownbeard, Moria vs. Doflamingo, and of course the other part about those random side characters celebrating about the result of the war scenes were actually pretty good…
Everything else is a pain to accept; "we snuck onto the ship!!" and then the sudden wake-up about Jinbei and Hancock's shitty character de-evolvement again!!
I hope that Oda doesn't show anything except the fight concerning Moria and Doflamingo next week, cause that stuff blows.
http://forum.onemanga.com/showpost.php?p=3629051&postcount=8
In other words, Oda's a fag…
Literally and metaphorically; "We sneaked up behind all the marines JUST to get on the ship!!!!"
Then, the snake can SWIM underwater and live from the ice, as well as everything else going on... Fine. I don't even care about this stupid crap anymore. Oda can have the crappy stuff, as long as there's actually something to look forward to in the future. Hell, it better not be worse than what it has been these past few weeks.
In other words, AGOG has being PWND by Oda and I doubt he has the face to come here.
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Those are facts indeed, but the fallacy lies in thinking that they are facts that prove Hancock will join. One can say that they are evidence that Hancock may join, but not that they prove anything.
The fact is that Oda fleshed out Hancock quite a bit, and that points to her being a very important character to the storyline. Is she joining, though? I believe yes, but I can see why some people are not so sure (except when they consider only their tastes. Not liking a character has nothing to do with it. I remember quite a lot of people disliking Franky or Brook and using that hate to defend they'd never join).
Lol I remember how many thought Franky and Brook were never going to join and just like Hancock, Oda would write them out of the picture. Not because they had any real reason to believe it was going to be that way, but because their emotions for disliking said characters made them believe that there was "no way" Oda would make that character a strawhat because said character tormented/annoyed them so much.
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Watch out..the moment Perona gets any panel time…he'll be back saying. "I KNEW IT ALL ALONG..THE PROPHECIES ARE TRUE!!"
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In other words, AGOG has being PWND by Oda and I doubt he has the face to come here.
Figures.
Though I will admit that the snake stuff felt a bit too convenient to me, but I'm not taking much issue with it.
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Figures.
Though I will admit that the snake stuff felt a bit too convenient to me, but I'm not taking much issue with it.
I actually felt the snake solution was quite clever. The snake was an obvious Checkov's Whatever. She was around Hancock since forever and wasn't used for anything but furniture. The Kuja quite clearly train their snakes to do miraculous things. I knew the snake would do something essential to the plot sooner or later.
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Those are facts indeed, but the fallacy lies in thinking that they are facts that prove Hancock will join. One can say that they are evidence that Hancock may join, but not that they prove anything.
The fact is that Oda fleshed out Hancock quite a bit, and that points to her being a very important character to the storyline. Is she joining, though? I believe yes, but I can see why some people are not so sure (except when they consider only their tastes. Not liking a character has nothing to do with it. I remember quite a lot of people disliking Franky or Brook and using that hate to defend they'd never join).
Isn't this topic to discuss who we beleive will become next crewmember. Can i not argue how I want. You can argue about character development and interaction or whatever else you want. But can't I argue about how a crudely bad drawing of franky proves he will join?
Thats all i'm doing here. I'm arguing how a bunch of random things in the manga can be tied to Hancock and that is my arguemtn for her to join. whether nami's dress 500 chapters ago, or hancocks birthday and the #9 mean anything only time will tell. but i have the right to argue those points just as much as you do about intangible stuff such as character development and feelings.
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Isn't this topic to discuss who we beleive will become next crewmember. Can i not argue how I want. You can argue about character development and interaction or whatever else you want. But can't I argue about how a crudely bad drawing of franky proves he will join?
Thats all i'm doing here. I'm arguing how a bunch of random things in the manga can be tied to Hancock and that is my arguemtn for her to join. whether nami's dress 500 chapters ago, or hancocks birthday and the #9 mean anything only time will tell. but i have the right to argue those points just as much as you do about intangible stuff such as character development and feelings.
Nothing wrong with bringing it up, just don't expect others to agree with you on intent. The fallacy revolves around 'evidence' when its mere coincidental evidence that can only be proven when she joins and not before. Its fun to hypothesize and I agree with your deduction, just don't expect it to convince many others and just hold it to your chest that you saw it ahead of time!
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Isn't this topic to discuss who we beleive will become next crewmember. Can i not argue how I want. You can argue about character development and interaction or whatever else you want. But can't I argue about how a crudely bad drawing of franky proves he will join?
I don't believe he's arguing that you can't argue for hancock. I believe he is saying that you can not call them FACTS that she will join, since it hasn't even been proven she will join.
Thats all i'm doing here. I'm arguing how a bunch of random things in the manga can be tied to Hancock and that is my arguemtn for her to join. whether nami's dress 500 chapters ago, or hancocks birthday and the #9 mean anything only time will tell. but i have the right to argue those points just as much as you do about intangible stuff such as character development and feelings.
I don't think he's trying to deny this.
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Yeah, but Garp and Rayleigh actually appeared.
Not Boa Hancock.I would like to point out that we heard of hancock before we met her. we were told of the beautiful pirate empress.
sure it wasn't as far back as rayleigh and garp, and she wasn't shown.
but also she is a warlord and we were told of those 7 way back. so its not like boa hancock came out of nowhere. and also if you recall this picture, very heavily can be considered to be a mock drawing of hancock http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/2245/onepieceartbookcolorwalng6.jpg
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I would like to point out that we heard of hancock before we met her. we were told of the beautiful pirate empress.
sure it wasn't as far back as rayleigh and garp, and she wasn't shown.
but also she is a warlord and we were told of those 7 way back. so its not like boa hancock came out of nowhere. and also if you recall this picture, very heavily can be considered to be a mock drawing of hancock http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/2245/onepieceartbookcolorwalng6.jpg
It is a mock drawing of Hancock, Oda confirmed it in an SBS a while back.