Fairy Tail

I really like this arc, although it's not original, it is unique and the complexity of this story could shift FT into a world vs world type story that could ail the retardation of the FT world and enemies that has kept the story down. If Edolas somehow survives, and 5 more worlds enter the story, I really think FT could spice up the essence of "magic vs magic" with the new twist of urgency in the absence of magic for our heroes.

My problem with FT from the start was that, everything can be explained with "well it's magic" explanation. Natsu could "magically" defeat any random mofo because he has magical powers that increase based on EDM, now it will actually take a strategic approach into how and when he can and can't use magic.

Lastly, although I love Erza.. this Erza is just the beez neez.. so hawttttt plus her doggy is so cuddly wuddly I want to chomp it up.

Still millenium from becoming anything like OP, but it is slowly surpassing the ~~crap~~quality of Glossy Black and Blech.

fdsfgfs

I think the would-be trollers got trolled because they believed all those responses were real, when they were obviously too stupid and gullible-sounding to be anything but counter-trolling.

Also the level of idiocy in here is actually pretty fitting, considering the quality of this manga of late.

onionsoup

whys this thread turning fast into another garbage? I guess people here like to troll everyother manga other than OP. Speaks the mentality of people here.

Troll me all you want, FT is the second best ongoing shonen. OP>FT>(bleach sasugay & others)

Hinscher

@onionsoup:

whys this thread turning fast into another garbage? I guess people here like to troll everyother manga other than OP. Speaks the mentality of people here.

Troll me all you want, FT is the second best ongoing shonen. OP>FT>(bleach sasugay & others)

yea sad isn't it. but its the internet, your going to have people be ass's from behind thier computer and thinkin gthier funny

but raw is out, again looks like this weeks one piece raw. super small perfectly cropped, clean scanned raw. so kind of annoying that whoever it is that did that feels the need to make it soo damn small.

but as for the new chapter hard to tell all that's going on since don't know japanese but

! looks like the cats are somehow like special people and are worshiped by the edos erza and all them. not sure how, if they are talked about in prophecy, if they knew them before, or what the deal is. but erza and all the guards bow down ot ether the female cat or both happy and her. guess we'll find out when translation/scan out or else next week

loledinmypants

@onionsoup:

Troll me all you want, FT is the second best ongoing shonen. OP>FT>(bleach sasugay & others)

Someone's forgetting Hunter x Hunter. That or someone fails at good ongoing shonen manga >.>
Imo OP>HxH>FT>others>Bleach>Naruto…
EDIT: Wow, I feel sad, totally forgot FMA as an ongoing shonen... And D. Gray-Man... And Kenichi... (haven't seen the others to judge)... and Claymore... Revised version: OP/HxH(I rly can't pick between the two and just threw them in the above order due to this site and not wanting to start an argument w/ an OPtard)>FMA>Kenichi>Claymore>DGM>FT/KHR(originally left KHR off because of the future arc being mostly lame)>others>Bleach>Naruto. Excuse me while I go hit my head against a brick wall for each of those good series I forgot...

TLC

Fairy Tail is pretty much mediocre. As far as I'm concerned Negima is the second best shounen around. Point is there are far better shonen than Fairy Tail. Kenichi, Toriko, Claymore, Detective Conan, D-Grayman, Full metal Alchemist, Hajime No Ippo, Jojo, and HunterxHunter are all better to name a few. You really must not have read a lot of manga to say it's the second best.

Narutossss

HXH>OP>(what tlc said)>Naruto>Bleach

Airflow

Bakuman and Beezlebub also solidly destroy it. Reborn is slightly better as well.

And if we're going into past shonens then well…

GaaraofTheDesert

No Reborn isnt slightly better.

Raider

@Thousand:

Fairy Tail is pretty much mediocre. As far as I'm concerned Negima is the second best shounen around. Point is there are far better shonen than Fairy Tail. Kenichi, Toriko, Claymore, Detective Conan, D-Grayman, Full metal Alchemist, Hajime No Ippo, Jojo, Flame of Recca, and HunterxHunter are all better to name a few. You really must not have read a lot of manga to say it's the second best.

Negima? Hell no it's not second best. For manga still running, it would be:

One Piece >>/= HunterxHunter > Beelzebub = [Fullmetal Alchemist, Hajime no Ippo, and some others] >/= Toriko > [Gintama, Bakuman] > [D. Grayman, Claymore, Kurohime, Negima] >/= [Katekyo Hitman Reborn, Hyde and Closer] > Rave >>>****> Fairy Tail > Bleach >/= Naruto > [some other shonen titles] ….

If we're including ended shonen series, then the List changes a whole lot.

[updated List tier]

loledinmypants

@Raider:

Negima? Hell no it's not second best. For manga still running, it would be:

One Piece >/= HunterxHunter > Beelzebub = [Fullmetal Alchemist, Hajime no Ippo, and some others] >/= Toriko > Gintama = Bakuman > Katekyo Hitman Reborn = D. Grayman = Claymore = Kurohime = Negima >/= Hyde and Closer >>> Bleach = Naruto >> Rave > [some other shonen titles] >>>>>>>> Fairy Tail….

How am I so terribly forgetful today? I'm sorry Gin-san…

I really need to find time to read/catch up with Beelzebub, Toriko, and Bakuman. Only heard good things about those three...

fdsfgfs

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't hunterxhunter turn into vague scribbles when bug aliens attacked the earth or something? Maybe the author started taking some pride in his work again since then, eh? Hardly a top 10 candidate, either way, let alone a top 3 or #1.

Beelzebub is fuckin fantastic, nothing else mentioned in this thread (OP excluded I guess) belongs in the same category with it.

Bakuman is effectively a shoujo now? Seemed to be going that way when I put it on hiatus.

HnI has its problems this recent arc but as a series overall it still beats the crap outta the FTs of the world. Bobobo, Toriko, and yeah even Henichi are considerably better as well.

If you look at concluded series then yes, Flame of Recca (my first manga:) was awesome too.

I don't personally like FMA or Greyman but whatever.

Do the manwhas count? If so then Veritas and The Motherfucking Breaker both pretty solidly destroy FT.

How about seinen manga? Whole world of awesome in there.

In summary: Fairy Tail isn't great, some other mangas are, it's offensive to people to claim that FT is better than those others, so you sort of bring it on yourself by making claims like that. As to trolling, well, if onionsoup had been trolling, he would have been a much more effective and innovative troll than the previous attempts, which amounted to a "hey what's that over there? ha ha no just kidding it was nothing" which is probably the lowest form of trollin.

Airflow

@fdsfgfs:

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't hunterxhunter turn into vague scribbles when bug aliens attacked the earth or something? Maybe the author started taking some pride in his work again since then, eh? Hardly a top 10 candidate, either way, let alone a top 3 or #1.

wat

Bakuman is effectively a shoujo now? Seemed to be going that way when I put it on hiatus.

wat

TLC

@Raider:

Negima? Hell no it's not second best. For manga still running, it would be:

One Piece >/= HunterxHunter > Beelzebub = [Fullmetal Alchemist, Hajime no Ippo, and some others] >/= Toriko > [Gintama, Bakuman] > [Katekyo Hitman Reborn, D. Grayman, Claymore, Kurohime, Negima] >/= Hyde and Closer > Rave >>>****> Fairy Tail > Bleach >/= Naruto > [some other shonen titles] ….

If we're including ended shonen series, then the List changes a whole lot.

You're actually placing Negima on third tier along with trash like Reborn with Beelzebub, Toriko and Bakuman above it? the fuck. It's second best for me but the point is it's definitely top tier on the same level as… well One Piece is on a league on its own but definitely on the same level as the next one after One Piece. Also Claymore and D. Grayman deserve higher tiers. Kurohime I never read so I can't say. Or maybe this is you overrating Reborn? Still doesn't change the fact that Negima deserves to be on Beelze level and probably Hunter level.

Raider

@fdsfgfs:

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't hunterxhunter turn into vague scribbles when bug aliens attacked the earth or something? Maybe the author started taking some pride in his work again since then, eh? Hardly a top 10 candidate, either way, let alone a top 3 or #1.

Well yeah, around the end of Greed island and start of the ant arc. I would still rank it in top 10 for good characters, world and story.

Beelzebub is fuckin fantastic, nothing else mentioned in this thread (OP excluded I guess) belongs in the same category with it.

True

Bakuman is effectively a shoujo now? Seemed to be going that way when I put it on hiatus.

Drama does that to you.

Do the manwhas count? If so then Veritas and The Motherfucking Breaker both pretty solidly destroy FT.

Somewhat, but I'd say no.

How about seinen manga? Whole world of awesome in there.

Completely different world. It's hard to rank Seinen and Shonen together. Although, Akumetsu is pretty high up.

loledinmypants

@fdsfgfs:

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't hunterxhunter turn into vague scribbles when bug aliens attacked the earth or something? Maybe the author started taking some pride in his work again since then, eh? Hardly a top 10 candidate, either way, let alone a top 3 or #1.

If you're that hung up on the art when he fixes it for the volumes and has some reason for taking his hiatuses (that presumably has an effect on the art), then Hunter x Hunter isn't for you. Otherwise, it's great and definitely top 3 material. There's plenty of pages that are just fine. I swear, people get way too nitpicky on the art when it doesn't distract from the substance, plus considering there's probably some reason for it hidden in the mystery of his hiatuses.

fdsfgfs

@loledinmypants:

If you're that hung up on the art when he fixes it for the volumes and has some reason for taking his hiatuses (that presumably has an effect on the art), then Hunter x Hunter isn't for you. Otherwise, it's great and definitely top 3 material. There's plenty of pages that are just fine. I swear, people get way too nitpicky on the art when it doesn't distract from the substance, plus considering there's probably some reason for it hidden in the mystery of his hiatuses.

I'm not trying to get pissy about it, just curious if it continued as a trend. I really loved HxH for a long time but sort of lost interest at that point because of those exact two things, the hiatus and the very quick downturn in art quality. I think I assumed at the time that it was just the end of the manga, like the author had some horrible disease which prevented him from drawing well or whatever and to which he had finally succumbed. Idunno, does it get/stay good afterwards? I'd sort of forgotten it, it's been so long.

PS New avatar suckas

Raider

@Thousand:

You're actually placing Negima on third tier along with trash like Reborn with Beelzebub, Toriko and Bakuman above it? the fuck.

Trash is only as good as trash.

Beelzebub is great. It pulls of characters and comedy better than Negima. Toriko pulls of the classic shonen with a hint of neo-shonen (Such as Psyren) quite well. Bakuman has good dramatic single panels and good drama and cliffhangers. Characters can get stupid though.

It's second best for me but the point is it's definitely top tier on the same level as…well One Piece is on a league on its own but definitely on the same level as the next one after One Piece.

I understand why it would be second best for you but for me, it's different as you see. I have my reasons why it isn't second best.

Also Claymore and D. Grayman deserve higher tiers. Kurohime I never read so I can't say. Or maybe this is you overrating Reborn? Still doesn't change the fact that Negima deserves to be on Beelze level and probably Hunter level.

Claymore and D. Grayman I'd say are on equal tier of Negima. Kurohime also. Reborn I could care less, but I liked some parts such as the end of Byakuran vs. Tsuna and some parts of TYL arc. For now, it's on the same level or below Claymore, D. Grayman and Negima since arcs going on in all those manga's are iffy on the subject. As for Beelzebub, it is just below HxH which is just one or two tiers under One Piece. Negima is not that near HunterXHunter in my opinion.

To let you know, Kurohime is about a gun-witch. It has magic in it also and is a monthly series. Though, chapters get out slowly due to scanlators. It has great designs and art and characters are pretty good.

@fdsfgfs:

I'm not trying to get pissy about it, just curious if it continued as a trend. I really loved HxH for a long time but sort of lost interest at that point because of those exact two things, the hiatus and the very quick downturn in art quality. I think I assumed at the time that it was just the end of the manga, like the author had some horrible disease which prevented him from drawing well or whatever and to which he had finally succumbed. Idunno, does it get/stay good afterwards? I'd sort of forgotten it, it's been so long.

New chapters of HunterXHunter show great improvement in art.

Chopperrules

@onionsoup:

whys this thread turning fast into another garbage? I guess people here like to troll everyother manga other than OP. Speaks the mentality of people here.

Troll me all you want, FT is the second best ongoing shonen. OP>FT>(bleach sasugay & others)

The mentality of people on the internet is only what you make it out to be, bub.

iMustang

Any word on the new chapter? Is there one this week, or is it just coming out at the old sunday time?

TLC

@Raider:

Trash is only as good as trash.

You did NOT just call Negima trash…

@Raider:

Beelzebub is great. It pulls of characters and comedy better than Negima.

Negima rapes Beelzebub in both comedy and characterization. In fact Negima is pretty much equal to One Piece in terms of characterization. The last chapter alone shows why Negima's characterization is far better.

@Raider:

Toriko pulls of the classic shonen with a hint of neo-shonen (Such as Psyren) quite well. Bakuman has good dramatic single panels and good drama and cliffhangers. Characters can get stupid though.

And Negima has godly characterization, world building, great villains, awesome art and is all around awesome. If you're going to say why A is better than B then you have to make comparisons instead of just describing A.

@Raider:

I understand why it would be second best for you but for me, it's different as you see. I have my reasons why it isn't second best.

Probably bad ones but whatever.

@Raider:

Claymore and D. Grayman I'd say are on equal tier of Negima.

Negima is far better than them, well maybe not so much more than Claymore because it is pretty good too, it goes like this really:
Negima>>Claymore>>D.Grayman

@Raider:

Kurohime also. Reborn I could care less, but I liked some parts such as the end of Byakuran vs. Tsuna and some parts of TYL arc. For now, it's on the same level or below Claymore, D. Grayman and Negima since arcs going on in all those manga's are iffy on the subject. As for Beelzebub, it is just below HxH which is just one or two tiers under One Piece. Negima is not that near HunterXHunter in my opinion.

I don't even know what you're driveling about here.

loledinmypants

@Thousand:

[hide]You did NOT just call Negima trash…

Negima rapes Beelzebub in both comedy and characterization. In fact Negima is pretty much equal to One Piece in terms of characterization. The last chapter alone shows why Negima's characterization is far better.

And Negima has godly characterization, world building, great villains, awesome art and is all around awesome. If you're going to say why A is better than B then you have to make comparisons instead of just describing A.

Probably bad ones but whatever.

Negima is far better than them, well maybe not so much more than Claymore because it is pretty good too, it goes like this really:
Negima>>Claymore>>D.Grayman

I don't even know what you're driveling about here.[/hide]

I haven't even looked at Negima yet, but seeing TLC ardently defending it in various arguments over the past half a year and failing has made me consider not considering it… Just saying... Like how in the previous next crewmate thread AGOG turned everyone against even thinking of thinking of thinking of Perona4nakama with his monster posts. Only in this case TLC's not quite that bad and idk if his/her reasons are more well-founded than the theory of doors... Same concept of arguing it too much though

TLC

@loledinmypants:

I haven't even looked at Negima yet, but seeing TLC ardently defending it in various arguments over the past half a year and failing has made me consider not considering it… Just saying... Like how in the previous next crewmate thread AGOG turned everyone against even thinking of thinking of thinking of Perona4nakama with his monster posts. Only in this case TLC's not quite that bad and idk if his/her reasons are more well-founded than the theory of doors... Same concept of arguing it too much though

Negima was pretty bad for the first twenty chapters. It was basically some dumb harem manga with the protagonist a ten year old. it didn't really pick up till the Eva arc around chapter twenty and then it became really awesome in the Kyoto arc. Can't really skip the first twenty chapters though because of the important characterization and setting up. If you invest your time in it, you'll get a huge pay-off for sure.

Sanigo

Negima is trash and if you even come remotely close to tolerating its main character you're the worst kind of human being there is.
(have read like 20 chapters and I'm aware it's supposed to get pretty good but there's no chance in hell i'm giving it an opportunity with this kind of disgustingly bad start)

Also Hunter x Hunter is the second best shonen, and Fairy Tail is almost as bad as Naruto.

IceBorg

Actually Negima is very good, its not only about the fanservice, i dare say its as good as One Piece. Much better than Fairy Tail at least.

Airflow

Negima doesn't have fanservice. It has 14 year old girls without genitalia.

loledinmypants

@IceBorg:

Actually Negima is very good, its not only about the fanservice, i dare say its as good as One Piece. Much better than Fairy Tail at least.

See, now that someone who's not coming across as a fanboy defender says so, it's possibly going to make it on my to-read list alongside Beelzebub, Bakuman, Toriko, and catching up in some old favorites.

Raider

@Thousand:

You did NOT just call Negima trash…

Well, I guess you could take it like that.

Negima rapes Beelzebub in both comedy and characterization.

Prove it and I will concede. Beelzebub has shown to be able to work the characters personalities, faults and such and work it for the comedy. Oga's extreme antics along with Baby Beel growing giant was gold. Furuichi is of course one of the best.

In fact Negima is pretty much equal to One Piece in terms of characterization.

You should have just stopped right there. Really, you have crossed the line in saying that. Negima's characters aren't as fleshed out as you presume they are. They are no where near One piece characters and will ever be.

The last chapter alone shows why Negima's characterization is far better.

Not really. I've seen better. Way better.

And Negima has godly characterization, world building, great villains, awesome art and is all around awesome.

Godly? HELL NO. Villains I may agree are good but hell no to everything else.

If you're going to say why A is better than B then you have to make comparisons instead of just describing A.

Negima has characters that aren't that fleshed out. They don't feel human or believable due to the fact that they are placed radically stronger than the supposedly said characters of governments (Ariadne Knights, Royal whatever,) and are able to fight with supposed ultimate evil way better than supposed characters of royal gov or senate or whatever they are.
Where are the character flaws that can obstruct the character of full developing? Where is the character flaws that can be used for comedy reasons? Where are the character flaws that make the character believable or huma? I don't see any. All I see are characters that lack a good set of human expressions

They do the same comedic expressions, they don't have a human expression that can help make them believable, the art is stiff and computerized, the backgrounds are lackluster, detailed in design but lackluster and they lack the most important thing of all. Good optical perspective angles.

Each page of Negima, I get sidetracked. It's not that exciting. Not that eye-catching. It feels like a chore just too read it. That's me though reading negima.

Probably bad ones but whatever.

Your reasons are way worse than mine.

Negima is far better than them, well maybe not so much more than Claymore because it is pretty good too, it goes like this really:
Negima>Claymore>D.Grayman

Nope. They are pretty much on the same level as I said.

I don't even know what you're driveling about here.

That's your loss then.

@Sanigo:

Negima is trash and if you even come remotely close to tolerating its main character you're the worst kind of human being there is.
(have read like 20 chapters and I'm aware it's supposed to get pretty good but there's no chance in hell i'm giving it an opportunity with this kind of disgustingly bad start)

Also Hunter x Hunter is the second best shonen, and Fairy Tail is almost as bad as Naruto.

This person is more sane than you Thousand Lion-chan

IceBorg

Heh, we can never like the same thing, better give up TLC.

Raider

@IceBorg:

Heh, we can never like the same thing, better give up TLC.

Of course there are going to be fights over what series are good but I agree. We all can't like the same thing as you said. And so, it's time to stop the rebuttal. I've said what I said and I'll let it die.

Hinscher

there is a negima thread you guys do know right?

this is about FAIRY TAIL. go get your loli fix on in the correct thread

Jedi Master

The last few chapters of this manga was great. They were totally original (ok, maybe not that original, but still…) the fight is going to be awesome

GEPPETTOSMONSTER

Personally I think the best shonen series out there is : HxH not because of it's artstyle but because how it's written. Togashi takes the most simplistic of shonen cliches and wipes his ass with them.

As current running series go I rank them as so: HxH,OP, Toriko,MiXiM, D.gray Man,Bakuman, Beelzebub, Katekyo Hitman Reborn, Bleach, Naruto

StrawHatRican

@GEPPETTOSMONSTER:

Personally I think the best shonen series out there is : HxH not because of it's artstyle but because how it's written. Togashi takes the most simplistic of shonen cliches and wipes his ass with them.

As current running series go I rank them as so: HxH,OP, Toriko,MiXiM, D.gray Man,Bakuman, Beelzebub, Katekyo Hitman Reborn, Bleach, Naruto

So basically you're confirming that I should pick up HxH like I was told about a month ago. Ty sir! ^^

KingofSarus

-Looks at thread title-

I really need to read HunterXHunter, but I don't want to read it yet.
Not until I've read Yu Yu Hakusho.

Silence

Casting my vote for Negima. I'm not a fanboy of the series, but I'd heard a lot of good things about it despite (or in spite of) the throwaway little girlie fanservice. After about the first 20 chapters, like others have said, the thing really shoots off into the stratosphere in terms of creativity, character development and good utilization of an enormous supporting cast. I eagerly look forward to Negima every week: they've got characters with some AWESOME powers and plot setups which are hinted at well in advance of them actually occurring. Shit doesn't feel like an asspull, and I like that in my shounen.

It balances the epic battles with the comedic. Give it an earnest shot: I did and was NOT disappointed to add it to my top 10.

iMustang

@KingofSarus:

-Looks at thread title-

I really need to read HunterXHunter, but I don't want to read it yet.
Not until I've read Yu Yu Hakusho.

Good stuff; YYH is one of our founding shonens as far as I'm concerned.

I would get into HxH but… there's no way I could put up with the frequent hiatuses. Maybe when the series is over I'll read it

fdsfgfs

@iMustang:

Good stuff; YYH is one of our founding shonens as far as I'm concerned.

I would get into HxH but… there's no way I could put up with the frequent hiatuses. Maybe when the series is over I'll read it

I read hundreds of chapters of it. Save yourself the time, don't bother. People saying that it's better than OP or Beelzebub or whatever are just batshit crazy, there's no justification in my mind for making a claim like that. The art alone is so bad (after the bug invasion, as I've mentioned) the manga is just generally unenjoyable to read. If you wanna read something for world building and dialogue and don't want to place any value on art, go pick up a novel. Comics in general, and mangas and graphic novels and manwha and whatever all else, are like 50% art and 50% writing; most established cartoonists or manga-kas would agree with something SIMILAR to that. To say that awful pencil scribbles doesn't make a manga worse is a horribly silly thing to say, and it's not even really an issue of opinion, not as much as most other areas of debate are.

Now, that said, the world and story behind HxH isn't all that fantastic either. This part is just my opinion, so I won't say as much about it, but the story and world to my mind are very much in line with, say, Bleach or maybe Air Gear. Kinda interesting hook at the beginning, gets old fast, stays old forevermore. Also the author lost sight of that initial world as he started to (feels to me like) ad lib wacky crap, alien bug invasions being another great example.

I see the 'hiatuses' more as 'momentary relief from the suffering that HxH has become' - whatever the intent of the author or the much-disputed reasoning behind them, that's what they end up being. Good excuses to stop reading an awful series.

YYH was sort of enjoyable in the sense that it's a fairly straightforward battle in a colliseum type manga. Nothing new, but nothing offensively bad in there either.