Huh, you know I bet Naruto fans are really excited about this chapter. Sasuke and Naruto stand together in the same place, it normally means something is going to happen. I look forward to seeing how Kishi messes it up.
Indeed.
Huh, you know I bet Naruto fans are really excited about this chapter. Sasuke and Naruto stand together in the same place, it normally means something is going to happen. I look forward to seeing how Kishi messes it up.
Indeed.
I bet that Naruto will drag powerless and blind Sasuke back to the village. Then, as to keep Glossy docile, they'll extract his chakra with some sort of procedure that goes wrong, leaving him senile. The rest of the series focuses on the comedic adventures of Sasuke as Mr. Magoo.
Robby it's obvious he is losing his mind and not thinking right.. Itachi said it himself that someone will fill his head with crap. Sasuke orginal plan was to kill the elders and keep civilians alive. I don't know if you guys are just playing dumb or just stupid. It's pretty obvious Kishi is showing he is going Mental. If most of you went through wat Sasuke did at 8, you would probably hang yourself somewhere.(I have read stories for people doing this on way less stuff then wat happened to Sasuke.)
good old robby with another anti-naruto posts. Different day, Same BS.
IT'S A FUCKING MANGA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He's not real nor has he ever been real his emotions aren't real either so why do you act like we should care
did you start off reading this manga thinking wow i really hope one of the main characters has a horrible life and complains about it constantly only skipping a few chapters than going back to an emo bitch because that's what a good manga is
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
that's not why we read mangas at first i felt sympathy but that can only go so far…. He's killing people but that's okay because he had a bad childhood
helloooooooooooooo dumb ass probably most murders had a very bad past does this excuse them no
face it you will like sasuke no matter what you will turn a blindside no matter how bad a character he is if kishi had him confess gay love to every male character you'd still be saying aw sasuke's the beast because you don't listen to logic just your old feelings of the character
thank you
EDIT: every time i read your stupid posts i start to hate naruto despite actually liking most chapters because you remind me how dumb half his fan base is
juju don't ever try to become a lobbyist because you'll only force a negative opinion on your side
IT'S A FUCKING MANGA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He's not real nor has he ever been real his emotions aren't real either so why do you act like we should care
did you start off reading this manga thinking wow i really hope one of the main characters has a horrible life and complains about it constantly only skipping a few chapters than going back to an emo bitch because that's what a good manga is
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
that's not why we read mangas at first i felt sympathy but that can only go so far…. He's killing people but that's okay because he had a bad childhood
helloooooooooooooo dumb ass probably most murders had a very bad past does this excuse them no
face it you will like sasuke no matter what you will turn a blindside no matter how bad a character he is if kishi had him confess gay love to every male character you'd still be saying aw sasuke's the beast because you don't listen to logic just your old feelings of the character
thank you
EDIT: every time i read your stupid posts i start to hate naruto despite actually liking most chapters because you remind me how dumb half his fan base is
juju don't ever try to become a lobbyist because you'll only force a negative opinion on your side
O_O
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Well said!
Juju
THERE ARE CHARACTERS IN FICTION WHOSE FAMILIES WERE MURDERED, THEY BECAME OBSESSED WITH REVENGE BUT THEY DIDNT ACT LIKE RETARDS… EVEN IN REAL LIFE NONE WOULD ACT LIKE THAT !
WAKE UP !
SASUKE SUCKS !!!!!!!!!!!
O_O
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Well said!
thank you
now i'm going to take a nice hot shower to cool off and get my heartbeat back down…. i got a little to in to the debate
Juju
THERE ARE CHARACTERS IN FICTION WHOSE FAMILIES WERE MURDERED, THEY BECAME OBSESSED WITH REVENGE BUT THEY DIDNT ACT LIKE RETARDS… EVEN IN REAL LIFE NONE WOULD ACT LIKE THAT !
WAKE UP !
SASUKE SUCKS !!!!!!!!!!!
THANK YOU!!!!!!!!
There are people who takes the pain of their past, and use it to become stronger.
Then there are people who use their pain of their past to bring pain to others.
And then there's Dexter Morgan.
Unfortunately, Sasuke with option #2.
I think Sasuke has more of a Mr. Garrison complex. He's so messed up because his father never molested him. He didn't have enough time.
I think Sasuke has more of a Mr. Garrison complex. He's so messed up because his father never molested him. He didn't have enough time.
Great. Now I'm going to head to class with that in my head.
Going to be controlling my laughter for the next two hours.
Thanks, Wagomu. Thanks a bunch.
good ol' Dexter
I need to finish the rest of those seasons …
There are people who takes the pain of their past, and use it to become stronger.
Then there are people who use their pain of their past to bring pain to others.
And then there's Dexter Morgan.
Unfortunately, Sasuke with option #2.
Hey now. Hannibal's option 2 too but he's awesome. You should just make a fourth category going like this:
"Then there are people who use their pain of their past as an excuse to act like whiny bitches."
you know folks, there is an ignore feature. Should their be a particular poster who, with every post, annoys you or speaks as an idiot, you can just block them. And if everyone stops quoting them, they will… cease to exist.
The "ignore" feature. Its kind of like a weak-sauce version of a Death Note.
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Awesome. I wish this could be another weekly thing, like gabzillaz.
IT'S A FUCKING MANGA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He's not real nor has he ever been real his emotions aren't real either so why do you act like we should care
did you start off reading this manga thinking wow i really hope one of the main characters has a horrible life and complains about it constantly only skipping a few chapters than going back to an emo bitch because that's what a good manga is
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
that's not why we read mangas at first i felt sympathy but that can only go so far…. He's killing people but that's okay because he had a bad childhood
helloooooooooooooo dumb ass probably most murders had a very bad past does this excuse them no
face it you will like sasuke no matter what you will turn a blindside no matter how bad a character he is if kishi had him confess gay love to every male character you'd still be saying aw sasuke's the beast because you don't listen to logic just your old feelings of the character
thank you
EDIT: every time i read your stupid posts i start to hate naruto despite actually liking most chapters because you remind me how dumb half his fan base is
juju don't ever try to become a lobbyist because you'll only force a negative opinion on your side
Well said. VERY well said. But wait a minute!
-An insatiable and unreasonable love for Sasuke.
-Poor grammar and low intelligence.
-Only shows up rarely.
Gasp JUJU IS NARUTO!!!
@robbybedfart:
you know folks, there is an ignore feature. Should their be a particular poster who, with every post, annoys you or speaks as an idiot, you can just block them. And if everyone stops quoting them, they will… cease to exist.
The "ignore" feature. Its kind of like a weak-sauce version of a Death Note.
Like someone else said we put him on ignore but it's like watching a train wreck and you just can't help but hit that view post button.
Acceptable, as long as Kakashi turns around and kills Sasuke.
I dunno… Kakashi's too interested in that book. Maybe he's reading One Piece. :ninja:
But wait a minute!
-An insatiable and unreasonable love for Sasuke.
-Poor grammar and low intelligence.
-Only shows up rarely.
Gasp JUJU IS NARUTO!!!
Gasp it all makes sense now!
Also, the ignore feature takes the fun out of things since I can't laugh at how stupid he is unless someone quotes him.
This thread is now bout…
j4OM3mT3NNA
IT'S A FUCKING MANGA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
He's not real nor has he ever been real his emotions aren't real either so why do you act like we should care
did you start off reading this manga thinking wow i really hope one of the main characters has a horrible life and complains about it constantly only skipping a few chapters than going back to an emo bitch because that's what a good manga is
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
that's not why we read mangas at first i felt sympathy but that can only go so far…. He's killing people but that's okay because he had a bad childhood
helloooooooooooooo dumb ass probably most murders had a very bad past does this excuse them no
face it you will like sasuke no matter what you will turn a blindside no matter how bad a character he is if kishi had him confess gay love to every male character you'd still be saying aw sasuke's the beast because you don't listen to logic just your old feelings of the character
thank you
EDIT: every time i read your stupid posts i start to hate naruto despite actually liking most chapters because you remind me how dumb half his fan base is
juju don't ever try to become a lobbyist because you'll only force a negative opinion on your side
They brought up why he acting stupid and contradicting his self. I just added my 2 cents. I know its a manga and where did i say killing other people was the right thing for Sasuke to do?? I continue to say that he a dumbass for trying to kill Sakura last week. Turn the blindside?? WTF are you talking about? I call out Sasuke all the time. Sorry i didn't know i needed permission to like a certain character. I also defend Vegeta when peoplecall him a whiny punk(which he was to certain extent), but yet almost everyone loves vegeta. Even due he almost killed all his family to become stronger then Goku. GTFO i can like anybody i want, even if they have flaws or a bad guy. I don't give a damn.
Juju
THERE ARE CHARACTERS IN FICTION WHOSE FAMILIES WERE MURDERED, THEY BECAME OBSESSED WITH REVENGE BUT THEY DIDNT ACT LIKE RETARDS… EVEN IN REAL LIFE NONE WOULD ACT LIKE THAT !
WAKE UP !
SASUKE SUCKS !!!!!!!!!!!
In real life people won't getcrazy after seeing tragic things at a early years???
GTFO i can like anybody i want, even if they have flaws or a bad guy. I don't give a damn.
That's true love right there bro… :cwy:
That's true love right there bro… :cwy:
yea man, its just sometimes i get so emotional:cwy:
When juju says "emotional" he actually means he hyperventilates when people badmouth saucegay.
They brought up why he acting stupid and contradicting his self. I just added my 2 cents. I know its a manga and where did i say killing other people was the right thing for Sasuke to do?? I continue to say that he a dumbass for trying to kill Sakura last week. Turn the blindside?? WTF are you talking about? I call out Sasuke all the time. Sorry i didn't know i needed permission to like a certain character. I also defend Vegeta when peoplecall him a whiny punk(which he was to certain extent), but yet almost everyone loves vegeta. Even due he almost killed all his family to become stronger then Goku. GTFO i can like anybody i want, even if they have flaws or a bad guy. I don't give a damn.
:blink:
no you don't need permission to like a character (even if he is the most detestable character in manga history, and without him this manga would still be part 1 level in my eyes…. and many others) but if you know he's an ass stop defending with stupid reasons like oh he had a bad childhood which you yourself just admitted doesn't make sense so WTF are you saying it for
and by the way NEVER EVER EVER compare sasgay with vegeta, vegeta's a down right anti-hero who still has good but still so much evil sasuke's a whining little emo bitch who kills people so he can keep complaining about stuff all his life..... sasuke was a good character but then part 2 came and he's no longer been the same (sakura has always been a bitch)
and if you do compare them again I'll.....I'll..... runs away from conversation with tears in his eyes
@robbybedfart:
The "ignore" feature. Its kind of like a weak-sauce version of a Death Note.
So the most interesting character dies about 1/2 way in to a very suspect "plan" and gets replaced by two wannabes.
:blink:
no you don't need permission to like a character (even if he is the most detestable character in manga history, and without him this manga would still be part 1 level in my eyes…. and many others) but if you know he's an ass stop defending with stupid reasons like oh he had a bad childhood which you yourself just admitted doesn't make sense so WTF are you saying it for
and by the way NEVER EVER EVER compare sasgay with vegeta, vegeta's a down right anti-hero who still has good but still so much evil sasuke's a whining little emo bitch who kills people so he can keep complaining about stuff all his life..... sasuke was a good character but then part 2 came and he's no longer been the same (sakura has always been a bitch)
and if you do compare them again I'll.....I'll..... runs away from conversation with tears in his eyes
?? I never said it didn't make sense. His childhood and constant mindrapes by Itachi,Oro and Madara contributed to his meltdown.
Yep the same Vegeta who shot at his wife and kids because OMG Goku is stronger then me so let me kill everyone. He wines about Goku every freaking second. Yes Vegeta isn't to be compared because he was just has much of a asshole. "Hey i aqm vegeta and my only real purpose since the sayian sega is to release bad guys full power then proceed to get my ass kicked"
Vegeta: Hey Cell i am kicking your ass how about u go get perfect::blink:
Vegeta:hey Goku u want to fight know becuase i feel whiny and it's tim for me to release fat buu.:blink: Vegeta was a badass in the sayian sega and nomak sega. They made Gohan save the day instead of him for god sakes.
Edit:ohh i forgot that he cause 17 and 18 to be released.
?? I never said it didn't make sense. His childhood and constant mindrapes by Itachi,Oro and Madara contributed to his meltdown.
Yep the same Vegeta who shot at his wife and kids because OMG Goku is stronger then me so let me kill everyone. He wines about Goku every freaking second. Yes Vegeta isn't to be compared because he was just has much of a asshole. "Hey i aqm vegeta and my only real purpose since the sayian sega is to release bad guys full power then proceed to get my ass kicked"Vegeta: Hey Cell i am kicking your ass how about u go get perfect::blink:
Vegeta:hey Goku u want to fight know becuase i feel whiny and it's tim for me to release fat buu.:blink: Vegeta was a badass in the sayian sega and nomak sega. They made Gohan save the day instead of him for god sakes.Edit:ohh i forgot that he cause 17 and 18 to be released.
ok I'm pretty sure most people here know that the buu arc was a piece of crap thrown together because the company wasn't doing good, and not to mention it when your talking about that epic series
i won't even consider anything past cell saga as a debate
second off didn't you just say how you usually argue against people calling vegeta whiny
did talking about how bad a character sasuke was hurt your feelings, well i'm truly sorry for that…..
and as I've said vbegetas character was never a loving redeemable character he was just a bad ass who made a good... great villain/ally when he feels like it, where as we always see sasuke as this somewhat reedemable character who just ends up becoming a bigger ass than vegeta (in my opinion)
does vegeta whine.... yes, has he done it for 300 chapters, no, did he in his first appearance, no so give it a break when comparing them vegetas a legendary character sasgay sucks
ok I'm pretty sure most people here know that the buu arc was a piece of crap thrown together because the company wasn't doing good, and not to mention it when your talking about that epic series
i won't even consider anything past cell saga as a debate
HEY DUDE DON'T TALK ABOUT THAT THING THAT DISPROVES MY POINT
Yes, fantastic argument there.
ok I'm pretty sure most people here know that the buu arc was a piece of crap thrown together because the company wasn't doing good, and not to mention it when your talking about that epic series
i won't even consider anything past cell saga as a debate
second off didn't you just say how you usually argue against people calling vegeta whiny
did talking about how bad a character sasuke was hurt your feelings, well i'm truly sorry for that…..
and as I've said vbegetas character was never a loving redeemable character he was just a bad ass who made a good... great villain/ally when he feels like it, where as we always see sasuke as this somewhat reedemable character who just ends up becoming a bigger ass than vegeta (in my opinion)
does vegeta whine.... yes, has he done it for 300 chapters, no, did he in his first appearance, no so give it a break when comparing them vegetas a legendary character sasgay sucks
I do argue for Vegeta, but i was making a point. I have said vegeta was my favorite character before on here. People can like Vegeta whiness, but people can't like Sasuke huh??? ohh could it be that people like whoever they feel like??? Why isn't any different with Sasuke fans?
LOL I was joking about the feelings things.
Wait Sasuke didn't whine in his first appearance either. Sasuke was cool, calm, and collected until Itachi showed up in the village.
Klitus, I'm boooored. What plaything can you offer me today?
m9kCCLwEga8
HEY DUDE DON'T TALK ABOUT THAT THING THAT DISPROVES MY POINT
Yes, fantastic argument there.
It's like they freaking run over every point that i make and post BS. Even if we go by his logic. Their is still the matter of perfect cell,17 and 18 release??
When i come in this forum it always goes the sameway
Random poster either saying something inaccurarte about Naruto or posting their opinions about the chapter. I respond with a post and then they all call me a troll. "ohh your just a troll so your points don't make sense i will then proceed to post random pics because i can't argue with u. sihhhh Since robby has me on block, i can't even get a decent debath going. I notice most of the good debaters hang out in the OP manga thread only.
I do argue for Vegeta, but i was making a point. I have said vegeta was my favorite character before on here. People can like Vegeta whiness, but people can't like Sasuke huh??? ohh could it be that people like whoever they feel like??? Why isn't any different with Sasuke fans?
LOL I was joking about the feelings things.Wait Sasuke didn't whine in his first appearance either. Sasuke was cool, calm, and collected until Itachi showed up in the village.
fine i guess I'll grant you special permission to like whoever you like, but don't tell the other sasuke fans that okay
and he didn't complain he mopped, he complained a couple chapters after that the whole i have someone i want to kill
of course i was still a very big sasuke fan in the beginning but part 2 killed him for me
anyways just reminding you robby will probably pick up where i left off,
HEY DUDE DON'T TALK ABOUT THAT THING THAT DISPROVES MY POINT
Yes, fantastic argument there.
That wasn't nice i was simply saying i won't count buu saga since it wasn't really planned and i can't think of that horrible arc when it was such an awesome series
and i thought we were pals :cwy:
@robbybedfart:
Klitus, I'm boooored. What plaything can you offer me today?
m9kCCLwEga8
You and Queen, robby. I swear.
I do argue for Vegeta, but i was making a point. I have said vegeta was my favorite character before on here. People can like Vegeta whiness, but people can't like Sasuke huh??? ohh could it be that people like whoever they feel like??? Why isn't any different with Sasuke fans?
Vegeta stated off hating Goku, whined about it, but later on became an ally. Sure, he still bitches about Goku, but who wouldn't. He's Luffy, only bigger, older, and with a son. (GOD, I hope Oda doesn't do a time leap where Luffy will have a child).
Sasuke started off being allies with our leading cast, and eventually friends, even if he has tendancies of avoiding them. But you can't deny they were friends. Now, he's in a blind rage, willing to kill anyone.
Vegeta was a rival who warmed up to the main cast.
Sasuke is a friend who turned into a foe for a dumb reason. (Don't give me the 'he had a tough childhood' excuse.)
It's like they freaking run over every point that i make and post BS. Even if we go by his logic. Their is still the matter of perfect cell,17 and 18 release??
When i come in this forum it always goes the sameway
Random poster either saying something inaccurarte about Naruto or posting their opinions about the chapter. I respond with a post and then they all call me a troll. "ohh your just a troll so your points don't make sense i will then proceed to post random pics because i can't argue with u. sihhhh Since robby has me on block, i can't even get a decent debath going. I notice most of the good debaters hang out in the OP manga thread only.
I know. Whether I agree with you or not(and admittedly it's normally not), it annoys me to see people put together a rubbish post and go HUR HUR HUR LOOK AT MEEEEEE! And then be surprised when you respond and they then go speak nonsensical twaddle.
That wasn't nice i was simply saying i won't count buu saga since it wasn't really planned and i can't think of that horrible arc when it was such an awesome series
It's there. It counts. As does the cell references you ignored.
Argue the points, not the person.
Vegeta stated off hating Goku, whined about it, but later on became an ally. Sure, he still bitches about Goku, but who wouldn't. He's Luffy, only bigger, older, and with a son. (GOD, I hope Oda doesn't do a time leap where Luffy will have a child).
Sasuke started off being allies with our leading cast, and eventually friends, even if he has tendancies of avoiding them. But you can't deny they were friends. Now, he's in a blind rage, willing to kill anyone.
Vegeta was a rival who warmed up to the main cast.
Sasuke is a friend who turned into a foe for a dumb reason. (Don't give me the 'he had a tough childhood' excuse.)
Revenge isn't a dumb reason. He gotten mindrape his whole life.
It's there. It counts. As does the cell references you ignored.
Argue the points, not the person.
fine but I'm not happy about it
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Revenge isn't a dumb reason. He gotten mindrape his whole life.
It's dumb when he wants to kill people for living in peace as his brother risked his life in reputation for them to
and just because he was mind fucked doesn't make it a good reason that's just an excuse a bad one at that
Revenge isn't a dumb reason. He gotten mindrape his whole life.
So because Sasuke had his clan killed, it makes sense wants to kill everyone in Konoha. I didn't mind Sasuke wanting revenge. I think it's bad if you just try to brush off revenge like Kakashi said, but there's a difference between wanting revenge and letting it consume you…..plus, at this point, he's just mad at the world, and does not care if he kills people who actually liked him.
Oddly enough the anime outdid the manga this week…..
it annoys me to see people put together a rubbish post and go HUR HUR HUR LOOK AT MEEEEEE! And then be surprised when you respond and they then go speak nonsensical twaddle..
The cons of having a forum filled with pubescent teens.
That wasn't nice i was simply saying i won't count buu saga since it wasn't really planned and i can't think of that horrible arc when it was such an awesome series
Android saga wasn't planned either. Toriyama wanted to end after the Freeza saga, and before that he wanted to end it after Piccollo Jr.
Besides, Buu saga was way better than the android saga. Had more interesting villains, better locale visuals, brought back the comedy, more surprise twists, the long promised Goku/Vegeta rematch, and some actual payoff on having learned the genki dama (spirit bomb) in that it actually worked. Plus, the Gohan and Videl interactions were great, as was the boasting of Mr. Satan.
Granted, by that point everyone was so overpowered it was ridiculous, it would have been a MUCH better arc during the earlier pre-saiyan era, as a classic Dragonball arc. Before they were capable of cracking planets in half.
By the way folks, the point you're looking to make is, Vegeta was consistent about being prideful, arrogant, stupid when it came to underestimating his enemies, and was always going on about defeating Kakkarotto, and none of these aspects ever changed, even after he aged and took up a family. He was ALWAYS a stupid ass about giving his enemies a chance to become stronger than him when he was self assured that he was impassable. He did it to Goku, he did it to Zarbon, he did it to Frieza, Android 18, and Cell. He willingly gave into Babidi's service for more power, and then was able to overide those orders anyway to fight Goku, and then Buu. All these traits of Vegeta's were totally consistent.
(and it showed that Toriyama did not like him very much.)
There's some parallels with Sasuke, willingly giving into Orochimaru's service for more power for the sake of surpassing his one destined opponent, Itachi, but still being in control the whole time. The problem is, he has gone from avenger, to servant, to victim, to puppet. His level of control and reasoning has varied wildly and recklessly, with him believing nearly anything he's been told, that he can handle any situation without planning
"Hey, maybe you should wait for Danzo to leave on his own." "Nah, I'll attack all 5 kages at once."
"Hey, Naruto is a lot stronger than you now." "I don't care."
Even when it came down to the crucial Itachi fight that he'd prepared his entire life for, he got his ass kicked as Itachi systematically removed Orochimaru's presence and upgraded Sasuke's powers, and then lost on purpose, since Itachi knew he was at the end of his own power, and entrusted the revenge to Sasuke. Except at this point, Sasuke is trying to avenge crimes that he himself committed, completely IGNORING exactly the thing Itachi did all that sacrificing for, and in fact going against it by purposely targetting the only people that might actually understand, forgive, or love him
But not in a regretful or purposeful way, but in an insane "my perspective is entirely warped at this juncture" manner.
This latest chapter just clinched it even more.
Eliminating Danzo was fine, that was on the agenda, that was passed on from Itachi's sacrifice. Trying to kill Sakura, Kakashi, and everyone in Konohoa due to their association (when they aren't even aware this stuff went down?) That's… uhm... yeah.
Don't try and draw parallels between Sasuke and Vegeta…
This thread has already besmirched so many of my childhood memories, cant we just leave this one be?
@HiroVoid:
So because Sasuke had his clan killed, it makes sense wants to kill everyone in Konoha. I didn't mind Sasuke wanting revenge. I think it's bad if you just try to brush off revenge like Kakashi said, but there's a difference between wanting revenge and letting it consume you…..plus, at this point, he's just mad at the world, and does not care if he kills people who actually liked him.
I don't know wat ur arguing here. This is exactly what i have been saying. I agree eith everything u just said. I never said Sasuke was in the right to be doing all this. He is obviously not great mentally. He thought they were laughing at Itachi for god sakes. He caused this on hisself through by leaving with Oro.
I have respect for juju. Despite his fairly awful grammer and tastes he can still argue and win with half the people in this thread.
I don't know wat ur arguing here. This is exactly what i have been saying. I agree eith everything u just said. I never said Sasuke was in the right to be doing all this. He is obviously not great mentally. He thought they were laughing at Itachi for god sakes. He caused this on hisself through by leaving with Oro.
Revenge isn't a dumb reason. He gotten mindrape his whole life.
how easily we forget
I have respect for juju. Despite his fairly awful grammer and tastes he can still argue and win with half the people in this thread.
wait are you implying i lost:sad:
granted at the DBZ discussion i lost but i think i had the win for most of it
how easily we forget
He forgot nothing.
A reason for doing something has nothing to do with being right in that action.
wait are you implying i lost:sad:
Yes.
I have respect for juju. Despite his fairly awful grammer and tastes he can still argue and win with half the people in this thread.
About time you notice the points being drawn rather than the wall of spelling errors.
Though I do have to laugh at the irony of you misspelling grammar.
@robbybedfart:
Android saga wasn't planned either. Toriyama wanted to end after the Freeza saga, and before that he wanted to end it after Piccollo Jr.
Besides, Buu saga was way better than the android saga. Had more interesting villains, better locale visuals, brought back the comedy, more surprise twists, the long promised Goku/Vegeta rematch, and some actual payoff on having learned the genki dama (spirit bomb) in that it actually worked. Plus, the Gohan and Videl interactions were great, as was the boasting of Mr. Satan.
Granted, by that point everyone was so overpowered it was ridiculous, it would have been a MUCH better arc during the earlier pre-saiyan era, as a classic Dragonball arc. Before they were capable of cracking planets in half.
By the way folks, the point you're looking to make is, Vegeta was consistent about being prideful, arrogant, stupid when it came to underestimating his enemies, and was always going on about defeating Kakkarotto, and none of these aspects ever changed, even after he aged and took up a family. He was ALWAYS a stupid ass about giving his enemies a chance to become stronger than him when he was self assured that he was impassable. He did it to Goku, he did it to Zarbon, he did it to Frieza, Android 18, and Cell. He willingly gave into Babidi's service for more power, and then was able to overide those orders anyway to fight Goku, and then Buu. All these traits of Vegeta's were totally consistent.
(and it showed that Toriyama did not like him very much.)There's some parallels with Sasuke, willingly giving into Orochimaru's service for more power for the sake of surpassing his one destined opponent, Itachi, but still being in control the whole time. The problem is, he has gone from avenger, to servant, to victim, to puppet. His level of control and reasoning has varied wildly and recklessly, with him believing nearly anything he's been told, that he can handle any situation without planning
"Hey, maybe you should wait for Danzo to leave on his own." "Nah, I'll attack all 5 kages at once."
"Hey, Naruto is a lot stronger than you now." "I don't care."
Even when it came down to the crucial Itachi fight that he'd prepared his entire life for, he got his ass kicked as Itachi systematically removed Orochimaru's presence and upgraded Sasuke's powers, and then lost on purpose, since Itachi knew he was at the end of his own power, and entrusted the revenge to Sasuke. Except at this point, Sasuke is trying to avenge crimes that he himself committed, completely IGNORING exactly the thing Itachi did all that sacrificing for, and in fact going against it by purposely targetting the only people that might actually understand, forgive, or love him
But not in a regretful or purposeful way, but in an insane "my perspective is entirely warped at this juncture" manner.
This latest chapter just clinched it even more.
Eliminating Danzo was fine, that was on the agenda, that was passed on from Itachi's sacrifice. Trying to kill Sakura, Kakashi, and everyone in Konohoa due to their association (when they aren't even aware this stuff went down?) That's… uhm... yeah.
I agree and when i was little DBZ was the crap because of Vegeta. When i rewatched it, i relized the writer must of literally hated Vegeta. I thought he killed fat buu with that epic explosion, but no. I just don't get how Gohan got stronger then him and kill Cell. They showed that all he did was train, but his progress made no sense. He should of gained SSJ3 too. Made no sense at all.
how easily we forget
wait are you implying i lost:sad:
granted at the DBZ discussion i lost but i think i had the win for most of it
Wth are u talking about? Thats just the reason. I never said it was right.
About time you notice the points being drawn rather than the wall of spelling errors.
Though I do have to laugh at the irony of you misspelling grammar.
me so sorry for being a hypocrite :sad:
and hey, I'm not completely anal retentive on grammar and spelling.
me so sorry for being a hypocrite :sad:
Again with noticing the edit text below.
and hey, I'm not completely anal retentive on grammar and spelling.
I didn't say you were, but merely pointed out that when faced with such a volume of errors most members look past the point and focus on the text.
I guess this was aimed at the forum in general rather than yourself.
Plus being Hitler should imply that one of my many job aspects involves being a grammar Nazi.
Let us all mellow out with some Farage.
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