It's a theory of mine that mihawk never had a crew.
Shanks and Mihawk Rivals/Sparring Buddies?!!!
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and it was said that the people who become shichibukai must leave their crew but that is if they had a crew to begin with which we have no clue whatsoever if he had or not thus you shouldnt assume so much.
We surely agreed a lot in the most recent discussions but I guess both of us knew that this won´t hold for ever, didn´t we?
That said I would like to mention following things about your statement.
From Stephen´s scripts on chapter 69:
Yosaku: "To put it simply, they are seven pirates who are officially recognized by the world government."
Sanji: "Huh?
Why would pirates be approved by the government?"
Yosaku: "The Shichibukai are a group of pirates who prey on the uncivilized lands and pillage other pirates,
then give some percentage of their harvest to the government, thus having their piracy forgiven.
The other pirates see them as nothing but "government dogs,"
but they are POWERFUL!!!
Even "Mihawk the Hawk-Eyed", the man who defeated Brother Zoro,
holds the position of one of the Shichibukai!!!"And from K-F episode 31:
Yosaku: “In plain terms they are seven pirates whom are acknowledged by the government.�
Sanji: “What the hell does that mean? Why would pirates be acknowledged by the government?�
Yosaku: “Because the Shichibukai would give a fixed percentage of the treasure they get to the government. To other pirates, they´re just government dogs. But they´re powerful. The man who defeated Zoro, Hawk Eyes Mihawk is one of them.�
So could someone please enlightent me where it has been said that they had to lose their crews to become Shichibukai?
I`m not ruling this option out, I just want to know where it has been evidentally officially stated so that we can take it as a given fact. Personally I still think that they can keep their crews if they are useful for that position. Why else would Blackbeards crew be so motivated to make him Shichibukai?
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We know Jinbei left his crew to become a Shichibukai.
While this doesn't neccessitate (sp?) the fact that Shichibukai abandon their crew, it does suggest it. While we can't be sure of it, I think that fact heavily suggests it.
We have to run on a few assumptions, since Oda doesn't clearly define every little thing for us. I think it's a safe bet to run on this one.
While it's certainly possible that it's wrong, it's not as likely as it being right. It's like saying "Franky won't be the next crew member." While certainly possible, it sure as hell doesn't look that way at this point.
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….acutaly i dont know where its said but ive heard if for so long and people have always been stating it as a fact so ive just assumed that its something from the SBS or something=p
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Could it be possibl that Mihawk was part of somebody else's crew?
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I'm willing to bet Shanks is probably stronger than most if not all the Shichibukai. He's probably close to White Beard if the WG is worried about the two of them coming together.
That said, Hawk Eyes is almost certainly a stronger swordsman (hence: "strongest swordsman in the world"). It's likely that Shanks just posesses some other fighting technique that makes him either equally or more dangerous. Oda likes to keep things mysterious like that.
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We know Jinbei left his crew to become a Shichibukai.
That is so far the biggest mystery of all Shichibukai crews. If you check Stephen´s scripts on that you´ll know what I mean.
Yosaku says: "Because of Jinbei´s participation of in the Shichibukai, he has set something terrible loose in East Blue"
and then he continues with "Well, why I don´t skip all the complicated battle history. The place we are heading right now is Arlong Park!"
This is a very vague statement. You can either interpret it as if they have to leave their crews or you can take it that there´s more about Jinbei´s position specifically and that it is because of this that he had to seperate from Arlong. To me at least it appears as if there´s really more about it.
BTW Octogon, I actually think that Mihawk never had a crew too.
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I have this strange feeling about how all this might end. Mihawk will probably try and stop Shanks from destroying the WG, and he'll beat him. Then Luffy'll be very pissed at Mihawk and he'll want to fight him. Then Zoro'll be the one who's pissed because Luffy forgot his promise that he won't stand in his way, and then Luffy and Zoro will fight (again) and this time it'll be 'till the end. It's kinda hard for me to imagine that Oda won't make a mess like this.
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I think Jinbei and Arlong had a fight because Arlong didn't want to work for the W.G. and he left Jinbei
Mihawk probably was like Ace, a lonely guy that worked for others but went to do is job alone
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I think Jinbei and Arlong had a fight because Arlong didn't want to work for the W.G. and he left Jinbei
Hey I like that! Would even make sense because it might be that Arlong felt insulted to put himself in the serves of humans. Sounds plausible.
Well either that or my theory that the whole seperation and East Blue takeover was a master plan by Jinbei. But I really favor your theory now Darkariel.
Mihawk probably was like Ace, a lonely guy that worked for others but went to do is job alone
Erm he doesn´t do his jobs alone. He is the commander of Whitebeard Pirates second devision. The reason why he chases Blackbeard alone is because he was his subordinate and he alone is responsible to punish him for that.
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I have just read 3 of the pages right now, so I don´t know if someone has already said this. It´s late now, and I have to get up tomorrow, so I don´t have time to read the rest at the moment. Anyway, I agree with Ivotas about Shank´s strength. Shanks could be the second best swordsman in the world, but in that case he has to be able to fight in some other way. I would believe that Shanks, Whitebeard and maybe someone more is considered to be the greatest living pirates with the strongest crews. I would also believe that Mihawk was almost at they´re level, when he became one of the SB. Now I think he´s the leader of the SB:s, or at least the strongest, most famous one. Doflamingos reaction when he entered the meeting in OP 25 suggests that. I don´t think Shanks will become one of the SB, because if he wanted that he could have joined them a long time ago, when they were founded. He is clearly stronger than most of the SB:s we have seen so far.
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Erm he doesn´t do his jobs alone. He is the commander of Whitebeard Pirates second devision. The reason why he chases Blackbeard alone is because he was his subordinate and he alone is responsible to punish him for that.
The like Ace point referes to Ace's current state chasing BlackBeard alone in a small boat, kind a looked like Mihawk
Mihawk is probably not the strongest Shichi Bukai since there's 2 still unknown and I think one of them might be the strongest Shichi Bukai
Mihawk is the strongest swordman this is given fact, but probably Shanks combines his sword it some other kind of weapon/technology or then he's a strategy master
And also glad to hear someone liked my Arlong theory =)
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I think that to understand fully about this you would have to know how mihawk achieved the title.
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I don't believe that Shanks has any desire to be a part of the Shibi Bukai (sorry if I spelled that incorrectly). He's a party-man, he doesn't seem to want the responsibility of taking down pirates, and I don't think he's the type of guy that would do something just for the status or title. He doesn't seem to give much creedence to what others think of him - remember early in the manga, as someone here already said, when he let those mountain bandits insult him like crazy.
I think that it's very, very unlikely that Mihawk is stronger than Shanks. But one argument that might help the side that thinks mihawk is stronger than him could be the way Shanks's crew reacted to Mihawk's arrival. Of course, I could be misremembering, but his men who saw him coming to the island seemed damn frightened. Of course, it didn't seem like the higher ups in the red hair pirate crew seemed frightened of him at all, so it could just be that the ones who spotted him were new recruits or something.
My real wonder is, after enies lobby, Luffy and Co are going to be labeled at least as a real threat, and probably as more than that. The government is going to be really pissed off. Plus, if Franky joins their crew, the straw hat pirates will have the two people in existence - unless Iceburg memorized the blueprints - that know how to ressurect and/or build the ultimate ship, Pluton. I really don't think that's insignificant considering the idea that this ship could 'destroy the world'. I'm pretty sure the straw hats wouldn't build/ressurect it, but the W.G. might not believe that they wouldn't.
Regardless of that, penetrating the ultimate prison in OP world is a pretty big deal.
So what I'm wondering is, after this, it's almost a certainty that the wg will declare war or at least do the buster thing to the Straw Hat pirates. If this is the case, do you think that they'll need help from others (possibly Shanks and Whitebeard)?
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if Shanks/Whitebeard or pretty much any other high level pirate joins a fight with the StrawHats against a Buster Call we can be sure it will be a definite battle in OnePiece… i don`t think we'll see a Buster Call so soon, it seems to definitive for me.
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So you don't think that Nico Robin going back on her word, breaking into the most protected and unescapable prison in the world - which shows the WG that while Straw Hats aren't as powerful as whitebeard/red hair crews, they are more willing to shake things up - plus the possession of the only two people in the world who know how to ressurect Pluton will be enough ammo to get a buster call?
I don't think that the Strawhats will manage to kill the entirety of cp9, they might be able to 'defeat them' and make them retreat, but I really think they won't manage to kill them. If they humiliate cp9, one of two things will happen. Cp9 will be a disgrace and will lose the authority to call a buster call on the straw hats, or, the cp9 will retain their status and use their one time buster call on the straw hats for revenge.
Even if the cp9 don't use their buster call, I think that breaching this prison is a big enough slap in the face of the military to get at least Aokige to consider using a call. Of course, Aokige might just go and try to deal with the straw hats himself, in which case, I still think the straw hats would need help. Then again, maybe defeating the buster call on their own is exactly what they need to be considered 'great pirates'. So getting help would be a 'bad' thing, so to speak. It'd show that they are still considerably weaker than Whitebeard and Redhair, who presumably could deal with a buster call with just their own crews. Then again, maybe not even they could.
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I don't think that the Strawhats will manage to kill the entirety of cp9, they might be able to 'defeat them' and make them retreat, but I really think they won't manage to kill them. If they humiliate cp9, one of two things will happen. Cp9 will be a disgrace and will lose the authority to call a buster call on the straw hats, or, the cp9 will retain their status and use their one time buster call on the straw hats for revenge.
Even if the cp9 don't use their buster call, I think that breaching this prison is a big enough slap in the face of the military to get at least Aokige to consider using a call. Of course, Aokige might just go and try to deal with the straw hats himself, in which case, I still think the straw hats would need help. Then again, maybe defeating the buster call on their own is exactly what they need to be considered 'great pirates'. So getting help would be a 'bad' thing, so to speak. It'd show that they are still considerably weaker than Whitebeard and Redhair, who presumably could deal with a buster call with just their own crews. Then again, maybe not even they could.
When did the Strawhats kill anyone
They just defeat them and move on
And Ao Kiji is probably farway from the Enies Lobby by now
Althought the point of fight the Buster Call themselfs probably will happen
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If CP9 summons the Buster call will the supreme admirals still be on the fleet?
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I don't think the straw hats have killed anyone, but if Luffy had to kill someone to save his friends, I think he would.
They clearly don't have to kill anyone to get the buster call, considering the fact that the straw hats could have gotten the buster call just for having Nico Robin in their crew. When they win this, they'll still have Nico Robin in their crew, and it will mean Nico Robin broke her deal with cp9.
Haha Octogon, that'd be funny. That might be what happens because I don't see how the straw hats could beat all three supreme admirals if the other two are anywhere near as strong as Aokigi.
Maybe instead of a buster call, they will send that Don Flamingo and the other guy they showed that both had previous bounties stretching past 200,000,000 beri to deal with the straw hats.
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It'd be pretty cool if they got help for the Buster Call. I don't think there's a real need to do everything themselves. Maybe Dragon could make another appearance for this occasion :)
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@jackvance:
It'd be pretty cool if they got help for the Buster Call. I don't think there's a real need to do everything themselves. Maybe Dragon could make another appearance for this occasion :)
Truth be told I want Shanks to help him just so that we can see how strong Shanks is.
We've never really seen him in a big "battle." Plus, I'm curious as to how a pirate with no devil's fruit can compete with the pirates that have elemental fruits like the lightning guy.
I mean I don't see how Gold Roger, who as far as I could tell didn't have a devil's fruit ability, could compete with say, Aokige. So if the only person in the world believed to be strong enough to fight evenly with Roger is Whitebeard, how would those two have fought an elemental guy? It really bugs me.
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Truth be told I want Shanks to help him just so that we can see how strong Shanks is.
We've never really seen him in a big "battle." Plus, I'm curious as to how a pirate with no devil's fruit can compete with the pirates that have elemental fruits like the lightning guy.
I mean I don't see how Gold Roger, who as far as I could tell didn't have a devil's fruit ability, could compete with say, Aokige. So if the only person in the world believed to be strong enough to fight evenly with Roger is Whitebeard, how would those two have fought an elemental guy? It really bugs me.
Yep me too. I've had exactly the same thoughts. But I have a feeling that Oda will just make the real strong non-DF users simply "very fast with some powerfull techniques" (like CP9) and, if they have to, whip out a seastone or something. But I agree Eneru should be just about the strongest guy alive. Lightning logia ánd a mantra with which he can dodge everything? Luffy just got lucky with the rubber thing and the fact that Eneru for some unknown reason "failed" to dodge his last attack..
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i think we all want to know a little bit more about shanks crew as well as shanks himself. one piece has been revolving around luffy's crew so it will be good to see in the not so distant future (let's hope :P) to see how all these characters fit into the story line :)
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Exactly - to both of you.
Like you said, Luffy got lucky with Logia, and on top of that, Logia's wasn't totally defeated. He's still alive and his ship still flies, unless I'm misremembering.
I imagine that the non df users will have to have abilities like cp9 to compete with the really powerful devil's fruit users, and for the ultimate fruit users (like logia) I'd guess that the seashell stuff or the stuff the marine's use would be essential. Roger was apparently a really smart person since he understood the ruins and was able to follow their clues - again, unless I'm mistaken - so he probably was able to beat elemental people by finding their weaknesses. It's possible that there is some unkown weakness in all devil's fruit users that we just haven't found out about yet, as well.
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You know what their weakness is?
Gold Roger: I hear you guys are pretty strong…. sinks their ship with cannons
Elemental Fruit User: ......I can't swim.
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@Octogon:
If CP9 summons the Buster call will the supreme admirals still be on the fleet?
Unlikely. Aokiji, one of the Three Admirals himself gave authorisation to Spandam to use a Buster Call. Which mean Aokiji is higher ranked then Spandam. Therefore Spandam the Three Admirals, who are then all higher ranked then Spandam couldn´t be part of a fleet that Spandam controls. Wouldn´t make any sense.
Besides, the ten Battle Ships and five Vice-Admirals alone are power enough to burn an entire island. There´s no need to include "The Greatest Powers of the World Government."
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Unlikely. Aokiji, one of the Three Admirals himself gave authorisation to Spandam to use a Buster Call. Which mean Aokiji is higher ranked then Spandam. Therefore Spandam the Three Admirals, who are then all higher ranked then Spandam couldn´t be part of a fleet that Spandam controls. Wouldn´t make any sense.
Besides, the ten Battle Ships and five Vice-Admirals alone are power enough to burn an entire island. There´s no need to include "The Greatest Powers of the World Government."
Didn't we have this discussion once?
Maybe my memory's failing, but I could swear we've argued this before.
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Didn't we have this discussion once?
Maybe my memory's failing, but I could swear we've argued this before.
We had something like this before and I used the same arguments like above. It is the most plausible and the reason why I think that it wouldn´t make any sense that Spandam could command three guys who are superior then him. I just repeated my point of view because not everybody here takes part in every discussion so some people might not know of it.
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Yes, the Three Admirals are no part of Buster Call, they're the masters of Buster Call
Well for what I know WhiteBeard isn't a akuma no mi user, so why should Gol D. Roger be
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You know what their weakness is?
Gold Roger: I hear you guys are pretty strong…. sinks their ship with cannons
Elemental Fruit User: ......I can't swim.
Gold Roger: Buh-bye!Hahaha, that one made me laugh. That'd work except for the ice guy who can just freeze the ocean below him. I think there's got to be something more to the fruits than what we now know, but that Roger probably did know. Otherwise he'd have no reason not to eat one, since being the best pirate in the world certainly meant he could get his hands on one with ease.
I'm in agreement with Ivotas about the buster call, and thanks for explaining with the idea that some of us hadn't seen that argument before, because I hadn't, so I'm glad you explained your logic.
Anyhow, we're derailing this topic so far off it's original course - the 'rivalry' between shanks and mihawk - that perhaps someone should make a new topic. Of course, I'm afraid to do something like that myself, being so new to the forum.
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Listen only battle data that we have on Shanks, is that he was Hawkeye's Rival/Sparring Buddy. Shanks weapon of choice is a sword as seen in every scene he carries it around with him. It does not take a rocket scientist to see that. Until he actually has a battle, then we can say, otherwise so far off the data he is a swordsman!!!
Oh I wonder if he and Zolo will have a battle as well? later in the anime.
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and shanks flag consist of a skull and two swords. or am i wrong?
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You are correct paWok,but people just seem to leave out important information. Shanks and hawkeye are Rivals sparring buddies simple.
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I thought the big distinguishing feature was that the skull had three gashes across the eye.
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well it could be. the point is shanks uses a sword to battle.
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This again.
Okay, from the top.
Mihawk is a Suichibukai
Shanks is a Great Pirate*Great Pirates are stronger than Suichibukai**
Therefore,
Shanks is stronger than Mihawk.
- We don't know for sure if Shanks is a Great Pirate, only that Whitebeard is, and seems to talk about Shanks like he was an equal of some sort, and even the World Government fears him acting. All these things point to the conclusion that Shanks must also be a Great Pirate.
** The WG is afraid of Whitebeard who is a Great Pirate. Shanks and Whitebeard meeting is considered to be "too dangerous". Shanks blows off the threat of the WG, as if he can deal with it. A meeting between these two is seen to threaten the very order of the world. They are not afraid of Suichibukai, who they nominally control, and use them apparantly to keep the order.
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One flaw in that theory is that it isn't just Shanks, but his entire pirate crew. Therefore, Shanks himself might be an equal or lesser to Mihawk.
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Nope, doesn't work that way. The captain is always the strongest by far.
Whitebeard is the strongest man in the world. So that means Whitebeard is stronger than everybody, including Shanks. Including loia fruit users like Ace and Eneru. But that doesn't mean Shanks can't be just as famous for his other feats and exploits. Just as Crocodile is probably the weakest of the Suichibukai (based on his bounty), Shanks may the weaker of the two known Great Pirates.
But, even so, a Great Pirate is a world superpower, someone who can effect the balance of the whole world order. A Suichibukai is a power of the Grand Line only, and only effects pirates. They are more like high-level agents of the WG and so are important and famous and all that but they still must fear the WG or else why would they put themselves under WG control? Great Pirates apparantly do NOT fear the WG so they go about and do as they please.
So basically: Mihawk fears the WG and decided to join it as a Suichibukai. Shanks doesn't fear them and so does as he pleases.
Therefore it is unavoidable that Shanks is just stronger than Mihawk by a significant level.
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Nope, doesn't work that way. The captain is always the strongest by far.
Whitebeard is the strongest man in the world. So that means Whitebeard is stronger than everybody, including Shanks. Including loia fruit users like Ace and Eneru. But that doesn't mean Shanks can't be just as famous for his other feats and exploits. Just as Crocodile is probably the weakest of the Suichibukai (based on his bounty), Shanks may the weaker of the two known Great Pirates.
But, even so, a Great Pirate is a world superpower, someone who can effect the balance of the whole world order. A Suichibukai is a power of the Grand Line only, and only effects pirates. They are more like high-level agents of the WG and so are important and famous and all that but they still must fear the WG or else why would they put themselves under WG control? Great Pirates apparantly do NOT fear the WG so they go about and do as they please.
So basically: Mihawk fears the WG and decided to join it as a Suichibukai. Shanks doesn't fear them and so does as he pleases.
Therefore it is unavoidable that Shanks is just stronger than Mihawk by a significant level.
First off the shichbukai are not only for the grand line, but the whole world. It just so happens that they choose to stay in the grand line.This probley because the richer pirates are in the grand line. And how do know that they fear the WG? None of the shichbukai who were at the meeting showed fear for the WG. Shanks and whitebeard are probley not the 2 only "Great Pirates." Remember greatness is measured by who you plan to be and how far u have gotten. In my opinion Mihawk is the stronger Swordsman but shanks might be able to beat him in a fight.
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Nope, doesn't work that way. The captain is always the strongest by far.
Agreed.
So basically: Mihawk fears the WG and decided to join it as a Suichibukai. Shanks doesn't fear them and so does as he pleases.
I don't agree here. We don't know about the motives to join as Shichibukai. Maybe boredom, maybe cuz they were simply tired of having to hide, maybe status. The WG being surprised that some of the shichibukai even showed up at their meeting seems like evidence enough that they aren't their lapdogs. If they really were in fear of the WG, then you'd expect them to show up like good little puppies if they were called.
Therefore it is unavoidable that Shanks is just stronger than Mihawk by a significant level.
I still don't see the evidence, sorry. Mihawk surely didn't join as Shichibukai because of his fear of the WG - he was the last person they'd expect to show up at their little meeting even. And while Shanks will indeed be the strongest of his crew, it's the meeting between Shanks&crew and Whitebeard, the strongest man in the world,&crew that the WG fears, not necessarily the figure Shanks alone.
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A Shichibukai has to give up his crew and give a significant cut of his loot to the government in exchange for not being persecuted by the WG. I'm sorry, but WHY would a pirate give up his crew and and his loot willingly just to keep from being attacked by the WG? The ONLY reason: if the pirate in question actually feared being attacked by the government. In 233 Shanks came out and said something to effect of: "Bring it, b!tches," to the prospect of the WG getting in his face. Could you see someone who considers going to war with the entire WG as willing to give up his crew and loot just to be safe from it? It's silly to even think about it because Shanks = Great Pirate.
Mihawk is the greatest swordsman in the world. But he feels the need to give in to the WG and accept being a Shichibukai. There is no real reason for being one unless he was worried about being attacked by the government. Therefore, it is unavoidable to conclude that Shanks > Mihawk by a large degree.
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Shichibukais has to give a share of his loot to the government? Have I been missing something…
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Crocodile didn't seem too worried about these restrictions though. He had no problems founding his own organisation with a crew ranging in the thousands, also in cooperation with the one person who the government's after the most. We don't know too much about what the others are up to, but Doflamingo is probably doing the same. He said the "bussiness" on his island was going very well. Sengoku even remarked that it was bad when a pirate's bussiness is going so well.. from your explanation I'd almost expect Doflamingo to show up with some money to give the WG their share of his loot.. instead he played around with some high-ranking marine officials. It also implies that they don't really know what Doflamingo is really up to.
Becoming a shichibukai seems to, if anything, make it easier to do your evil deeds, as long as you beat up some pirates along the way to keep the WG happy. Crocodile tried to acquire Pluton, not exactly lapdog behavior. And there are reasons to assume Doflamingo is doing something similarly evil, from how he remarked that the "new age of piracy" was coming.
Another hint that it's more about the status and the ease of the position, rather than the fear of prosecution, is the fact that Blackbeard is applying for the position so eagerly. Nowhere did he show that his motives involve fear. He wants to become a shichibukai as a highroad to stardom.
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first of i would like to point out like Ivotas always does that we have no proof that you have to leave your crew if you become a shichibukai(if you have some i suggest you put forth it and then ill admit i was wrong) and thus we dont know if mihawk has left a crew behind or not.
and about mihawk it seems your Oda cause your basicly telling us what he thinks,
i cant see how you know something that hasnt been in the story or the SBS.there could be plenty of reasons why he would join prehaps cause he likes the easy life ?
prehaps he think its annoying to have to deal with the everyday marine retards who attack him not that he fears them just that it gets in his way,
prehaps the WG could offer him something that he needed like when Edward elric joined the army to get to their libary and all the info only they had.
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Mihawk strikes me as the type who'd go for being a Shichibukai simply because it would be easier than piracy. No running from marines, just sail around doing whatever he wants. Kill a few pirates on the way.
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A Shichibukai has to give up his crew and give a significant cut of his loot to the government in exchange for not being persecuted by the WG. I'm sorry, but WHY would a pirate give up his crew and and his loot willingly just to keep from being attacked by the WG? The ONLY reason: if the pirate in question actually feared being attacked by the government. In 233 Shanks came out and said something to effect of: "Bring it, b!tches," to the prospect of the WG getting in his face. Could you see someone who considers going to war with the entire WG as willing to give up his crew and loot just to be safe from it? It's silly to even think about it because Shanks = Great Pirate.
Mihawk is the greatest swordsman in the world. But he feels the need to give in to the WG and accept being a Shichibukai. There is no real reason for being one unless he was worried about being attacked by the government. Therefore, it is unavoidable to conclude that Shanks > Mihawk by a large degree.
First of all ther s no proof of what you have just stated, especially the schichbukai leaving their crew part. And as for Mihawk fearing the marines I would say it's the other way around for the mast part. Even sengoku was surprised and his position in the Marines states that he has at least some power. Donflamingo also kept his mouth shut after mihawk came in. The only reason Shanks is not a schichbukai is because he doesn't want to. Your theory is also missing the fact that there is more than one reason to become a schichbukai.
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@Octogon:
Even sengoku was surprised and his position in the Marines states that he has at least some power.
He's Ao Kiji's direct superior so probably the most powerful guy in the marine army. (even if he isn't physically as strong as Ao Kiji, he can command him and the two other chief admirals too)
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Remember, "real" pirates see Shichibukai as being "dogs of the government". There's NO REASON to bow to the government if they DIDN'T fear the WG.
That's not to say they're WEAK. Obviously they are not. Conversley, there's would no point to make deals with pirates if the WG could beat them down easily. They are strong enough to at least be worth trouble to the WG. It's mentioned they need a famous pirate to fill Crocodile's shoes or else other pirates wouldn't fear him. So the main use of the Shichibukai is that they keep the masses of lower pirates under control. But being pirates they are mangey dogs that'll still feel like they can do what they want (thus not show up to meetings and so on).
But Great Pirates are spoken of as world powers, those who can shift the balance of world order. The WG thinks Shanks could change the world if he wanted to. Him meeting with Whitebeard (the strongest man in the world) is seen as something too danergous to be allowed. They are SCARED of them. But they aren't SCARED of Mihawk or the other Shichibukai.
Take a look at the Shichibukai we've seen so far – Crocodile (a coward scam artist and evil bastard), Donflamingo (an evil bastard -- evil pirates betray and throw away their nakama), Mihawk and the Bear guy, both of whon we don't know much about. Mihawk might at least be honourable, and he did go out of his way to raise up Zoro. Then there's the merman I don't remember the name of, but we all know about Arlong who was one of his men and what kind of evil bastard he was -- good pirates wouldn't keep around nakama like that.
Now compare them as a group to the two Great Pirates we've seen:
Shanks: The very personification of what a Real Pirate is supposed to be.
Whitebeard: The strongest man period who hates NOTHING more than his friends getting hurt -- who does that sound like?Great Pirate >>>>>>>> Shichibukai
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i see your just ignoring those arguments that i put forth that there could have been plenty of other reasons for joining.
then just stating the same thing again without any proof, bring any sorta proof that that was the reason mihawk joined and then ill listen.umm WTF do you mean with The very personification of what a Real Pirate is supposed to be?
id say kreig or buggy are just about as real as the OP pirates come they are ruthless bastards who rob and kill innocent people thats what a real pirate does.BTW i wouldnt call croc a coward and a scam artist i think the term criminal mastermind really fits better
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They must've been pretty scared of Doflamingo in the past, giving him a 296 mil bounty. The way I see it, becoming a shichibukai is like getting only benefits - you can still do anything you want as a pirate (look at Croc - I don't think he was trying to get Pluton to help the WG) you're just not pestered by the government anymore. The only thing you have to hand in is some pride, so the morally higher pirates like Shanks and Whitebeard will never join the shichibukai. The shichibukai are called the "dogs of the government" - the pride thing I was talking about - but they don't seem to behave like that at all in practice. Do you really think they're going to do what they are commanded by the WG if they barely bother to show up at an official meeting they were invited to?