The strongest DF is going to be the Dial Dial fruit.
Devil Fruit Prediction
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The strongest DF is going to be the Dial Dial fruit.
The ideal DF for people with small cell phones and thick fingers.
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The ideal DF for people with small cell phones and thick fingers.
Not for Oars size xD
@Geo:hes a swan zoan user. been confirmed somewhere
Prove it. ¬¬"
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what would doflamingo's devil fruit name(if he has indeed eaten one) would be in japanese??
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If it's something like he controls the blood in their veins or something, it'd be the Ketsu Ketsu no Mi. If it's just the bones, then the Hone Hone no Mi. Lastly, if it is just wires, then the Sen Sen no Mi.
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This'd be interesting, IMO.
Mihawk, in the future when he faces Zoro, Mihawk reveals himself as nothing more than a Devil Fruit user who simply made his way to the top by claiming his abilities were nothing more than Devil Fruit. I'd like to see just how pissed off Zoro gets, and Mihawk is an incredibly shady guy to begin with. This probably won't happen, but hey, it's an interesting path.
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Really, I hope Garp and Sengoku aren't DF users, then people will see that DF doesn't equal to kick ass.
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Really, I hope Garp and Sengoku aren't DF users, then people will see that DF doesn't equal to kick ass.
Although I like this point of view and I believe you don't need a DF to be yonkou level or any other badass character I just don't see how Sengoku doesn't have a DF.
Garp is up in the air. Same for Shanks.
I'm kinda noticing how Oda ranks the types of ppl in the manga so it wouldn't be a surprise if ppl who we assumed to be regular humans weren't.
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Well, at least there has been some evolution. Now it's not "Have a Logia so you can kick ass" for DF users anymore. Still, all 3 Admirals have one >_>
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to lafitte:
idk but in the panel we see his wings nothing else of him is transformed..
so when it is a zoan fruit model x, than normally his body has to transform COMPLETE to that specific animal..or at least a model which shows us that his body chanced and his face, so that he can use his wings..but in that panel nothing could be seen transformed besides him having wings(do we see his arms..no right?)
so when noone here knows a case where a zoan-Df user showed us that he could transform just ONE part of his body to his specific animal i think i will stick with the theory that he has no bird-zoan DF. -
@Don:
to lafitte:
idk but in the panel we see his wings nothing else of him is transformed..
so when it is a zoan fruit model x, than normally his body has to transform COMPLETE to that specific animal..or at least a model which shows us that his body chanced and his face, so that he can use his wings..but in that panel nothing could be seen transformed besides him having wings(do we see his arms..no right?)
so when noone here knows a case where a zoan-Df user showed us that he could transform just ONE part of his body to his specific animal i think i will stick with the theory that he has no bird-zoan DF.Marco AND Onigumo have shown partial transformation in the War with Whitebeard, so its possible that Lafitte is also using partial transformation. Plus if he was an angel he could grow wings, instead of his arms turning into wings.
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Plus if he was an angel he could grow wings, instead of his arms turning into wings.
is a good point, it also proves he is not just a sky islander. he actually turns into something with wings.
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Marco AND Onigumo have shown partial transformation in the War with Whitebeard, so its possible that Lafitte is also using partial transformation. Plus if he was an angel he could grow wings, instead of his arms turning into wings.
first where do we see onigomo partial transform him…?
we just see his back and that he is transformed..but we never see if the rest of his body has chanced also..so no prove of a partial transforming..could be like one of choppers forms and not just one body-part.second: yeah marco showed us partial transforming..
thats why i think lafitte could have also a mythical-zoan and no zoan model x...that was my whole point! -
Plus if he was an angel he could grow wings, instead of his arms turning into wings.
Yes I had also thought of this, but I didn't feel like posting it to disprove my own prediction straight away lol. Lafitte might in fact have a paramecia that allows him to manipulate and change body parts (a variation of robin).
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@Don:
first where do we see onigomo partial transform him…?
we just see his back and that he is transformed..but we never see if the rest of his body has chanced also..so no prove of a partial transforming..could be like one of choppers forms and not just one body-part.second: yeah marco showed us partial transforming..
thats why i think lafitte could have also a mythical-zoan and no zoan model x...that was my whole point!http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/554/14-15/
Look at Onigumo at the bottom with six arms and a spider abdomen. However, he is not fully transformed. He is using partial transformation with a Spider Zoan ability.
Now that the chapter is officially out, I believe we can start talking about Sengoku's crazy ability.
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Golden Logia!!!
NO…
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He's a Giant Golden Super Baby Ape.
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afro afro no mi model: gold????
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Just wait, Sengoku is going to do a fusion dance with Pwngoat and start firing off Haki-ha-me-ha waves all over the place causing massive random destruction. :D
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The moon came out that is all.
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I think we can rule out Zoan unless Giant Buddha counts as Mythical Zoan…..so we're looking at MORE THAN LIKELY paramecia or logia. I think there is more to his ability than turning into a giant Buddha but I dont really know what to think of it. I seriously hope we get at least a name of the fruit next week, cause personally im tired of getting unnamed fruits left for speculation (i.e. the demon guards, Lafitte, the supernovas, and every freakin fruit user at the war)
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I think we can rule out Zoan unless Giant Buddha counts as Mythical Zoan…..so we're looking at MORE THAN LIKELY paramecia or logia.
It's just one of the elements of nature - fire, sand, ice, lightning, buddha,..
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To be honest, a metal logia of gold shaped in the form of Buddha would be the most interesting. I also feel like just turning into a giant Buddha is too plain, theres no variety of ability except the melee moves he uses.
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So, if we entertain the idea that he's a Logia of metal/gold/whatever…........how would he regenerate damage?
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Sengoku uses Payday… it's super effective. ^^;
He uses waves of gold like in Aladdin or the money vault scrooge has.
If he is Gold he's a Logia he'd regenerate damage the same way as any other Logia.
Edit:How ironic to fight and kill pirates with golden coins. xD
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If he is Gold he's a Logia he'd regenerate damage the same way as any other Logia.
See, even then, other Logias don't have this kind of transformation. What I think is it's a Paramecia which is as tall as that statue he's based off (Dai-something) as he's still growing, meaning he's bigger then Oars, and his fat protects him from attacks like bullets and swords.
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If Sengoku's ability turns out to be gold manipulation, I wonder if that Buddha form (which seems to be made out of gold) could put him at some sort of a disadvantage, considering how soft and malleable pure gold is? Perhaps that's why he didn't remain in that form for very long? Although surely gold is more durable than human skin.
To be honest, I kinda don't like the idea of him having this sort of fruit. But if not gold, then what kind of fruit could it be? Maybe some sort of fruit that allows him to change the cellular composition of his body (kinda like Ivankov's hormones)? That might explain how he could manipulate his size and skin. shrug
Oh, and gold afro > regular afro. It's a fact.
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Well if he is gold he could freely control the malleability of his body, changing from incredibly durable to soft enough to weaken blows, or even turn into liquid metal to allow attacks to pass through. Not sure if lightning would have a negative effect on him or if he could let it pass through him.
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Well, I don't know if Sengoku is that, but since Mr. 1 wasn't really a true Metal element, I could see a Metal Logia, one of his things could be Gold. Probably Plant, Water and Wind ones exist, too.
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i still say water is not possible, but another kinda liquid is possible.
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It'd be funny if there's a "Heart" one, since that's an element in stories/shows sometimes, but it's like caustic, poisonous blood instead.
Also, there was a non-canon one like that TM, but it sucked.
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Well if he is gold he could freely control the malleability of his body, changing from incredibly durable to soft enough to weaken blows, or even turn into liquid metal to allow attacks to pass through.
Liquid gold could be interesting. I don't know if Oda would bother to go in-depth about the chemical compositions and density of gold, anyway; it's probably enough to say that it's a metal and metal = strong (it's a shonen, after all).
In a way, Sengoku could be very dangerous to the WG if he wanted to. Think of the terrible inflation he could cause if he was able to turn things into gold.
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Trust The "Sengoku" Touch! lol, oh if he is a Gold logia the jokes will continue
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Well, after looking at Tvtropes.org's look at Elemental powers, minus Mind, which I lumped into Heart, I thought of a possible list, which I'll put into spoilers:
! Confirmed Logias:
1. Fire: Portgaz D. Ace.
2. Earth: Sir Crocodile, well sort of.
3. Lightning: Eneru.
4. Ice: Aokiji.
5. Light: Kizaru.
6. Darkness: Marshall D. Teach.
7. Magma: Akainu.
8. Air: Smoker (I say it's really more smoke + clouds).
! Unconfirmed Logias:
9. Wind
-Who might have it: Monkey D. Dragon (Or a Mythical Zoan Dragon)
-Potential: Lots. Razor wind, high pressure ones, Hurricanes, etc.
-Why?: Seen to have something to that effect during Loguetown.
10. Water:
-Who might have it: Mermaid Princess
-Potential: Very powerful, since a water bubble will kill a DF user. However, only those who can naturally breathe in water can use it.
-Why?: Since Water is the natural enemy of all DF users, it'd be said that only a Merman or Fishman can handle it without dying, but it will still rob them of swimming if they emerge into natural water. Also used a way to keep the Mermen in control by having their ruler not able to leave Fishman Island.
11. Nature:
-Who might have it: Poison Ivy type person.
-Potential: Control of Oxygen, transform body into any plants like a cactus, Venus flytrap, or some poison plant, for example.
-Why?: Someone with good intentions, but a bit of a loony.
12. Life:
-Who might have it: Someone very sadistic.
-Potential: Caustic, poisonous blood. Abler to control the area of wound of blood control, and such. Also, a rare liquid Logia besides Water.
-Why?: As seen below, the power is kind of a cruel mockery of life, and isn't really a "good", as in virture, power.
13. Metal
-Who might have it: Possibly Sengoku.
-Potential: Lots of offense and defense uses.
-Why?: Seems to be made of Gold, a metal.
! Those who might be a Logia:
14. Diamond: Jozu (Still on the fence, but probably a Paramecia).Well, I'm probably going to be wrong on most of them, probably, but hey, that applies to a lot of my ideas.
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"Those who might be a Logia:
14. Diamond: Jozu (Still on the fence, but probably a Paramecia)."That could also be a carbon Logia. The reason I think it is, is because Joz is going to be 1 armed if he's a Paramecia, if and when he thaws out. If he's a Logia he'll still have both probably.
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Oda is a lot more straight-forward than you're all making it out to be. It's pretty clear that Sengoku has a paramecia that lets him transform into a giant bronze/gold/metal statue, and that Jozu is a diamond paramecia. Logia's do logia-type attacks not what we have seen here.
I'm not even sure if there will be solid-matter logia's like metal or gold, but a metal logia would pretty cool because he can control all the metal around him, like bend zoro's swords and make them stab his own hands and face.
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I'm not even sure if there will be solid-matter logia's like metal or gold, but a metal logia would pretty cool because he can control all the metal around him, like bend zoro's swords and make them stab his own hands and face.
Like… erm... KIDD!?
Still a metal/solid-logia-type would be great. If it was metal the user could melt himself to form metal things (like eneru did), but then again it sounds like Akainu.
There aren't much abilities left who could be really awesome. But I trust in Oda's creativity, but please sth better than
"golden-afro-buddha-daihatsu-butsu" - no mi.
Even if that ability was awesome, it took Luffy half of a chap to destroy its reputation. -
@S.C.:
See, even then, other Logias don't have this kind of transformation. What I think is it's a Paramecia which is as tall as that statue he's based off (Dai-something) as he's still growing, meaning he's bigger then Oars, and his fat protects him from attacks like bullets and swords.
Enel says otherwise.
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We haven't seen any other confirmed Logia besides him transforming into a giant, fat, elemental version of himself. If Sengoku was a gold or metal Logia, the huge Buddha-thing could be his giant, fat, elemental version. And wouldn't it be appropriate for the Fleet Admiral to be able to this? It seems to be quite a high-level move. Aokiji, Akainu, Kizaru, Ace, Smoker, Crocodile, Teach … none of them have ever shown that they are capable of this. Especially in this war, shouldn't they all pull out their best attacks?
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Enel says otherwise.
We haven't seen any other confirmed Logia besides him transforming into a giant, fat, elemental version of himself. If Sengoku was a gold or metal Logia, the huge Buddha-thing could be his giant, fat, elemental version. And wouldn't it be appropriate for the Fleet Admiral to be able to this? It seems to be quite a high-level move. Aokiji, Akainu, Kizaru, Ace, Smoker, Crocodile, Teach … none of them have ever shown that they are capable of this. Especially in this war, shouldn't they all pull out their best attacks?
I donno about everybody pulling out their ''best movies'' in the war, dudebro. It makes sense from a war point of view, but not from a story point of view… know what I mean? Chances are we will see a lot of these characters in all out fights sometime down the line, so it's good from a story point of view that we haven't seen them go ''all out'' yet. I think it's a preeeety safe assumption that we haven't seen the best of a lot of the guys yet.
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Like… erm... KIDD!?
Still a metal/solid-logia-type would be great. If it was metal the user could melt himself to form metal things (like eneru did), but then again it sounds like Akainu.
There aren't much abilities left who could be really awesome. But I trust in Oda's creativity, but please sth better than
"golden-afro-buddha-daihatsu-butsu" - no mi.
Even if that ability was awesome, it took Luffy half of a chap to destroy its reputation.No, that's just the power of Magnetisim, like Magneto.
Enel says otherwise.
We haven't seen any other confirmed Logia besides him transforming into a giant, fat, elemental version of himself. If Sengoku was a gold or metal Logia, the huge Buddha-thing could be his giant, fat, elemental version. And wouldn't it be appropriate for the Fleet Admiral to be able to this? It seems to be quite a high-level move. Aokiji, Akainu, Kizaru, Ace, Smoker, Crocodile, Teach … none of them have ever shown that they are capable of this. Especially in this war, shouldn't they all pull out their best attacks?
But remember, as soon as Luffy hit him in that form, he broke it up.
"Those who might be a Logia:
14. Diamond: Jozu (Still on the fence, but probably a Paramecia)."That could also be a carbon Logia. The reason I think it is, is because Joz is going to be 1 armed if he's a Paramecia, if and when he thaws out. If he's a Logia he'll still have both probably.
Well, if Magma and Smoke can be elements, you know.
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@S.C.:
But remember, as soon as Luffy hit him in that form, he broke it up.
Nah.
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-298/page006.html
http://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-298/page010.htmlLook at these pages. Luffy hit Enel with only his rubber foot. Yet, Enel remained in his electricity form. He only broke it up after Luffy hit him with the golden ball which was already responsible for breaking up that huge thunder cloud. Enel said something about the ball acting as a conductor or so. Whatever.
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Ah, it's been a while since I've watched Skypedia. Come to think of it, whatever that form was called wasn't especially useful, since he seemed to be a bigger target.
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@S.C.:
Ah, it's been a while since I've watched Skypedia. Come to think of it, whatever that form was called wasn't especially useful, since he seemed to be a bigger target.
Well, he called it "200 million volts reishin". If Luffy wasn't made out of rubber, he would be instantly dead after even touching Enel. At that time, he was PURE electricity. I wonder how anybody else would try fighting something like this. You can't freeze electricity, you can't laser it, magma shoots have no effect, any weapons would have no effect either. Maybe Haki, but since we don't now how exactly it works, we can't conclude anything.
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@S.C.:
Well, after looking at Tvtropes.org's look at Elemental powers, minus Mind, which I lumped into Heart, I thought of a possible list, which I'll put into spoilers:
! Confirmed Logias:
1. Fire: Portgaz D. Ace.
2. Earth: Sir Crocodile, well sort of.
3. Lightning: Eneru.
4. Ice: Aokiji.
5. Light: Kizaru.
6. Darkness: Marshall D. Teach.
7. Magma: Akainu.
8. Air: Smoker (I say it's really more smoke + clouds).
! Unconfirmed Logias:
9. Wind
-Who might have it: Monkey D. Dragon (Or a Mythical Zoan Dragon)
-Potential: Lots. Razor wind, high pressure ones, Hurricanes, etc.
-Why?: Seen to have something to that effect during Loguetown.
10. Water:
-Who might have it: Mermaid Princess
-Potential: Very powerful, since a water bubble will kill a DF user. However, only those who can naturally breathe in water can use it.
-Why?: Since Water is the natural enemy of all DF users, it'd be said that only a Merman or Fishman can handle it without dying, but it will still rob them of swimming if they emerge into natural water. Also used a way to keep the Mermen in control by having their ruler not able to leave Fishman Island.
11. Nature:
-Who might have it: Poison Ivy type person.
-Potential: Control of Oxygen, transform body into any plants like a cactus, Venus flytrap, or some poison plant, for example.
-Why?: Someone with good intentions, but a bit of a loony.
12. Life:
-Who might have it: Someone very sadistic.
-Potential: Caustic, poisonous blood. Abler to control the area of wound of blood control, and such. Also, a rare liquid Logia besides Water.
-Why?: As seen below, the power is kind of a cruel mockery of life, and isn't really a "good", as in virture, power.
13. Metal
-Who might have it: Possibly Sengoku.
-Potential: Lots of offense and defense uses.
-Why?: Seems to be made of Gold, a metal.
! Those who might be a Logia:
14. Diamond: Jozu (Still on the fence, but probably a Paramecia).Well, I'm probably going to be wrong on most of them, probably, but hey, that applies to a lot of my ideas.
Did you leave out Magellan? Aw man, he's gonna cry now. (And probably poison you.)
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Well, he's a "Elemental" Paramecia, like Mr. 3, Kalifa, and maybe Jozu. He can generate his element, can control it, but not 100% become just the element to avoid damage, as his body, his blood, etc. is always poison, but still solid.
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The other possibility is that it really is simply a "Buddha Statue" or Statue fruit, and that its mainly used to augment his own physical power. Maybe he can transform into other types of statues….maybe.
The basic understanding of Devil Fruits that I've taken from the series is they always revolve around a single "idea" or "object" and from something simple the user derives incredible variability from it. Take bubbles, bubbles=soap=cleaning. Now make that super cleaning, and you got bubbles that can "clean off" strength. The point is that " Giant Buddha" doesnt have that same feel as an "idea" or "object" that can create that same variety of attacks. -
@S.C.:
Well, he's a "Elemental" Paramecia, like Mr. 3, Kalifa, and maybe Jozu. He can generate his element, can control it, but not 100% become just the element to avoid damage, as his body, his blood, etc. is always poison, but still solid.
Whoa, you're right. For some reason I always assumed he was a logia. My bad.
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I just noticed Lafitte is shown flying already back in chapter 434.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/434/19/
At least I think he's flying. No wings visible, though. :P
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I just noticed Lafitte is shown flying already back in chapter 434.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/434/19/
At least I think he's flying. No wings visible, though. :P
Naw, he just jumped up and clicked his heels together. No wings, no flying
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just a question if enel ever comes down from the moon, would they give him admiral? as he is of an element similar to ice and light, also besides luffy who could beat enel?