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Chapter 562 "Pirate Maelstrom Spider Squad" Discussion
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Am I the only one who is disapointed with the Mihawk-Vista battle? I mean, is kinda crappy. Mihawk is losing points in my mind since his "battle" with Luffy…
And I was saying Moria was lame back in Thriller Bark... Luckily for Moria, Mihawk is saving Moria's low rating by placing himself even lower...
BTW, since Squardo's move on Whitebeard surprised me, does anyone think is Doflamingo's doing? With his "puppetmaster" ability?
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Am I the only one who is disapointed with the Mihawk-Vista battle? I mean, is kinda crappy. Mihawk is losing points in my mind since his "battle" with Luffy…
And I was saying Moria was lame back in Thriller Bark... Luckily for Moria, Mihawk is saving Moria's low rating by placing himself even lower...
This is getting old. Okay, he's the World's Strongest Swordsman. Does that mean NO ONE can even come close to sparring with him without being annihilated? That's just dumb. The guy is strong. He split a damn wave the length of a Football stadium in half accidentally. But he's not invincible. He's a human being who's the best swordsman. By how much is relative. It doesn't mean he's some god of swordsmanship that puts him on a pedestal way above others. So he's fighting an experienced swordsman. Big whoop. Get over it.
BTW, since Squardo's move on Whitebeard surprised me, does anyone think is Doflamingo's doing? With his "puppetmaster" ability?
Been suggested. Personally, I think he's a Double Agent for Kaidou, but that's just me.
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I'm just excited to see who finally takes out Kizaru. Sure, he's a funny guy and all, but his abilities seem too powerful for Luffy and the crew to take on even after this battle. I'm guessing during this battle Kizaru will either be injured, or killed, because ever since the Sabondy Archipelago incident, they've set their eyes on Luffy and his crew, due to their threat level.
I'm guessing Blackbeard is going to take out Kizaru, maybe by accident, but then again maybe on purpose since his loyalty to the Marines seems exactly like that of Hancock(just enough to keep the title of 'Shichibukai'). The only Logia power I can even fathom being effective against Kizaru is Blackbeard's, since Darkness is opposite of Light.
But then again, "You never know how two powers are going to match up".
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@Fire Fist:
This is getting old. Okay, he's the World's Strongest Swordsman. Does that mean NO ONE can even come close to sparring with him without being annihilated? That's just dumb. The guy is strong. He split a damn wave the length of a Football stadium in half accidentally. But he's not invincible. He's a human being who's the best swordsman. By how much is relative. It doesn't mean he's some god of swordsmanship that puts him on a pedestal way above others. So he's fighting an experienced swordsman. Big whoop. Get over it.
That's not what I meant… I do know he's just the world's best swordman and not any kind of god, but you have to admit every "battle" of his was kinda lame... I know he's not in Ownage Level, but damn! It could be better.
BTW, I like Hancock owning the shitty Smoker.
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That's not what I meant… I do know he's just the world's best swordman and not any kind of god, but you have to admit every "battle" of his was kinda lame... I know he's not in Ownage Level, but damn! It could be better.
BTW, I like Hancock owning the shitty Smoker.
he's Zoro's goal,that's why Oda toning him down or no going all out,
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Zoro could smash Mihawk NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!
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even with the Gorosei gone, the tyrants and the despots would still be there but the Gorosei without their "Allied Kingdoms" well…
Of course they would still be there but the a government stands and falls with the top guns. Real world revolutions have shown that once you chop the snake's head off the rest of the body will crumble sooner or later.
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Toning him down? I saw the guy accidentally cut an mile and a half long Iceberg in half. I fail to see how he's been toned down. If anything he seems even more powerful than when we first saw him.
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Good thing the computer bug fruit wasn't true lol. The part where Kizaru kicked Luffy was kind of funny. I was kind of disappointed by some of the division commanders. But then again looks could be deceiving and all of them cant be cool.
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It's not a new idea or anything like that, but I haven't seen it brought up in a while: I think Squardo's (or however we're supposed to romanize his name) comments were made with some sense of sarcasm/disgruntlement. I think the spy idea is plausible to some degree, but don't think Doflamingo has anything to do with it. I got the vibe that he either acted out of his own free will as some sort of indication that New World pirates/silver medalists sense the end of the old era and want to push the envelop by getting WB out of the picture, or even that BB had some influence over it. At this point I'm really not sure (knowing Oda I'm probably way off), but that was what initially struck me. Can't wait to see how it actually unfolds.
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@Fire Fist:
This is getting old. Okay, he's the World's Strongest Swordsman. Does that mean NO ONE can even come close to sparring with him without being annihilated? That's just dumb. The guy is strong. He split a damn wave the length of a Football stadium in half accidentally. But he's not invincible. He's a human being who's the best swordsman. By how much is relative. It doesn't mean he's some god of swordsmanship that puts him on a pedestal way above others. So he's fighting an experienced swordsman. Big whoop. Get over it.
Been suggested. Personally, I think he's a Double Agent for Kaidou, but that's just me.
I don't think this is where the disappointment stems from. He split a frozen wave half a mile long on accident like you said. Had he aimed a little lower he should have been able to cut through thousands of soldiers and multiple battleships with ease. So in a fight against another powerful swordsman you'd think they'd need lots of room to fight or else many bystanders would be caught up in the collateral damage.
Just think of Zoro's fights. An entire city blocks structures split into pieces, powerful shockwaves felt by onlookers just from the force of Zoro clashing with Ryuma&Kaku, a destroyed roof in the latters fight, and gashes in the walls and ground of Enies lobby everywhere. Even Luffy sets a precedent with him and Lucci bumping fists and destroying a shitload of crates. Mihawk clearly can fight less sloppily than Zoro, but against another high level swordsman serious damage to the area should be unavoidable.
Lets also remember this is the guy who dueled two-armed Shanks multiple times, supposebly shaking the grandline. Guy who with even one arm was partly responsible for splitting the atmosphere. Also brings into question how strong is Vista as he should have one-shotted Rons if he can do things with his swords even half as impressive as Mihawk. I'm not personally disappointed in Mihawk, just find a single panel of random hacking&slashing boring. Not like he's not the only guy fighting you'd think couldn't fight in such a congested area or not fighting like you think they should. Like why doesn't Kizaru just blitz all the pirate ships furthest from WB sinking most of the fleet? He unlike Mihawk he doesn't really have an excuse.
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did you see that One of Robin's duck is carrying 3 sticks the Zoro way.
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hi all, thanks for the chap awesome work
Imo, this spider squad stabbing wb is a trick previewed between them to trigger a combined attack swirling+earthquake to take down all the px and cover the rest of the crew, wb was talking about going to attack maybe he need this to level gear 2. + finishing a chap this way to trigger a greater attack is oda style.
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I'm a believer that Squad's actions are those of betrayal. WB facial expression (w/ the sweat) is one of surprise. I'm amazed though that WB has such poor judgment on people. Just a few chapters ago, he was looking for Squad via Dendenmushi to command all the pirate crews. I guess that's when Squad started preparing for the betrayal.
I'm real interested to see what WB does in the next chapter to Squad and how he follows up immediately in the battle. If WB falls down, everybody stays worried about WB, and Squad escapes, then WB is a total disappointment. I'd like to see him demolish Squad and let out a massive attack.
But I agree with those that feel WB will be dead by the end of the battle. The end of the battle will be the beginning of a new era for all the pirate crews.
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BB somehow already convinced a few members of WB crew to join him. So Squardo may be one of them who's mission was to be the inside man.
Now, we still don't know who opened the gates, but he has to be on the marines side… so my guess for next week:
*** GARP WILL STAB SENGOKU *** -
Toning him down? I saw the guy accidentally cut an mile and a half long Iceberg in half. I fail to see how he's been toned down. If anything he seems even more powerful than when we first saw him.
I said "toning him down or no going all out"
coz I'm replying to that other dude up there
for him cutting a very very large glacier(it's just a piece of HIS cake)
or oops I didn't do that on purpose
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I'm a believer that Squad's actions are those of betrayal. WB facial expression (w/ the sweat) is one of surprise. I'm amazed though that WB has such poor judgment on people. Just a few chapters ago, he was looking for Squad via Dendenmushi to command all the pirate crews. I guess that's when Squad started preparing for the betrayal.
It's easy for us readers from the distance to say that considering that we practically saw no portrayal of Squad as a character. The fact that Newgate thought at first of him when he needed someone to lead the NW captains should show that he pretty much trusted him a lot which perhaps has its own backstory. Just because we didn't see it on screen it doesn't mean that isn't there inside the story. Neither squad nor Newgate are the protagonists so of course we won't have several hundreds of chapters elaborating on the friendship between those two guys before the betrayal takes place.
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man, ugh. tis is lame for whitebeard to have a cliche death. Couldn't Oda had Shirohige die by someone strong? next week we are going to find out Squadro was actually BB's nakama cuz we all know how BB is good at doing things behind shirohige's back, no homo XD.
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BB somehow already convinced a few members of WB crew to join him. So Squardo may be one of them who's mission was to be the inside man.
Now, we still don't know who opened the gates, but he has to be on the marines side… so my guess for next week:
*** GARP WILL STAB SENGOKU ***how wonderful idea Garp will kill Sengok for sure and will be killed imediately killed by on of the admirals. Action please
I hope we will see someone like Dadan who had opened the gateand an Question: Where are the 500 prisoners from SA?
In ID? So why didn't we see them?
In SA? There is no prison
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man, ugh. tis is lame for whitebeard to have a cliche death. Couldn't Oda had Shirohige die by someone strong? next week we are going to find out Squadro was actually BB's nakama cuz we all know how BB is good at doing things behind shirohige's back, no homo XD.
Wait a second, people really think this is enough to take the old man down? :wassat:
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man, ugh. tis is lame for whitebeard to have a cliche death. Couldn't Oda had Shirohige die by someone strong? next week we are going to find out Squadro was actually BB's nakama cuz we all know how BB is good at doing things behind shirohige's back, no homo XD.
You seriously think the STRONGEST MAN IN THE WORLD will die from that stab? Also, you probably forgot you're reading ONE PIECE. SRSLY… :ninja:
EDIT: Beaten by Ivotas.
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I think from now on I'm just gonna blast the discussion thread with images of Luffy being IMPALED on Crocodiles hook. A Hook that took up most of his torso no less. People really have crappy memories around here.
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Well he did get rescued so this is not the same case.
But I don't believe WB will die from that , being hurt ? yes , dying on the spot ? hell no.
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If sanji can survive thishttp://read.mangashare.com/One-Piece/chapter-464/page013.html
then wb should be good to go for a couple more rounds. -
I think this will be his first blow. Granted, this won't kill him, but he'll attack swuad/dofla anmd then participate in the war, and die in the end.
Perhaps we'll see his nurses again!
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That is not the real Squad. Someone is impersonating / shapeshifted into him ? Marco doesn't seem to remember that there are Squad members in that part of the battlefield or whatnot, according to one scanlation. ( Or at least I saw it ).
-crosses fingers and hopes its true-
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That is not the real Squad. Someone is impersonating / shapeshifted into him ? Marco doesn't seem to remember that there are Squad members in that part of the battlefield or whatnot, according to one scanlation. ( Or at least I saw it ).
-crosses fingers and hopes its true-
Nope, he's the real one. And his name's Squardo/Squadro, not Squad. You must've read the shitty Onemanga scanlation. Go read Binktopia's at mangahelpers; that one's more accurate.
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@Super-Franky:
So…lame joke ahead…is anyone going to make a "Dear Whitebeard" AMV when this comes out in the anime?
well someone should definatly make an amv of this whole arc using war by edwin starr i just think it would be awesome
EDIT: or everybody was kung fu fighting
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Nope, he's the real one. And his name's Squardo/Squadro, not Squad. You must've read the shitty Onemanga scanlation. Go read Binktopia's at mangahelpers; that one's more accurate.
Where does it say he's the real one…? No where.
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Squardo is Bon Clay who has cut a deal with the WG.
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Wasnt Squadro also named the Vortex? and if I am not pulling that out of my ass, could it have something to do with his ability, in which case…
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No sign of Doma and Thunderlord Makugai. I mean those were the 1st catains mentioned and they havent appeared after their introduction, they must be high tiers.
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Oda did the "inverse-face" thing before btw:
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Dead or not, the guy who stabbed White Beard… HES GONNA GET RAPED!
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I'm excited how and if BB comes into that scene now.
IMO BB surely gives WB his last final death blow, which bring BB to the summit instantly.
The fact that a NW-captain betraying WB wasn't THAT unpredictable, since there are a lot of people who wanna see WB dead (the silver-medalists eg.), but one of them - Squardo - stabbing WB right in front of him…
->completely Oda-unpredictable!
Lol @ Buggy - he definetly rules the war-scene! -
mayby the sword a poisent or somthing else whit waterstone blade.
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mayby the sword a poisent or somthing else whit waterstone blade.
zephos Do not post ever again. /zephos
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Wait. Someone made an account in April 2006 and that was their first post?
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Wait. somebody actually checked?
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that was necessary to say after 3 yrs of observation
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Strange that we don't see any of the marines face in negative colors, I wonder what their reaction is ? Is it part of their plan ? Or are they surprised as well ? Sure, if Oda had shown their reaction, it wouldn't be such a cliffhanger now.
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Squad and WB will TagTeam against WG with some special move!
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@+Buster+:
Do you really think thats why Buggy did that?
I've learned to never doubt Captain Buggy (soon to be Yonkou).
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I am finding it extremely disgusting that, strictly speaking, the pirates in general tend to care for their own more than the Marines do.
We have seen countless marines who have absolutely no hesitation at shooting, slashing and killing their own men, not to mention civilians, either as collateral or 'for the greater good'. These include and are not limited to:
Captain Morgan
Spandam
Lucci
Akainu - both in Buster Call and recently in this saga
Some VA in the recent Buster Call
Kizaru
Sentoumaru
the PX's (yes yes they are being ordered)
Sengoku doesn't seem to be particularly worried about his troops dying either.So far the pirates, albeit being evil and whatnot have displayed more comradeship than any of the 'good guys'.
Luffy would go to the ends of the earth for his friends.
Shanks's speech in the first episode shows the same thing.
Whitebeard brought along half of the New World to rescue one measly person.
Buggy's crew is constantly looking for him.
Everyone seems to be looking out for each other. Sure, there are casualties, but we haven't seen a pirate directly fire on one of his own men to prove a point.
Exceptions seem to be Kuro, Croc (he did try to kill Mr. 3) and of course Squardo in this chapter.Edit: In fact, I dare you all to find 3 instances of where a marine, ANY marine or Government official, has done something admirable. I can only think of one instance myself, which is Aokiji freezing the ocean for Tonjit to cross to the other island, although he did it after letting a group of well known pirates go.
Edit: And don't go telling me Smoker gave the kid money to buy another ice cream, that's hardly anything special…
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you forgot do flamingo ;-)
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@power what do you think many of the prisoners at ID were captured for?
In fact i have learned to not bash the marines for the things we saw during the SH adventure. They're doing far more. Even if they have black sheeps.
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I am finding it extremely disgusting that, strictly speaking, the pirates in general tend to care for their own more than the Marines do.
We have seen countless marines who have absolutely no hesitation at shooting, slashing and killing their own men, not to mention civilians, either as collateral or 'for the greater good'. These include and are not limited to:
Captain Morgan
Spandam
Lucci
Akainu - both in Buster Call and recently in this saga
Some VA in the recent Buster Call
Kizaru
Sentoumaru
the PX's (yes yes they are being ordered)
Sengoku doesn't seem to be particularly worried about his troops dying either.So far the pirates, albeit being evil and whatnot have displayed more comradeship than any of the 'good guys'.
Luffy would go to the ends of the earth for his friends.
Shanks's speech in the first episode shows the same thing.
Whitebeard brought along half of the New World to rescue one measly person.
Buggy's crew is constantly looking for him.
Everyone seems to be looking out for each other. Sure, there are casualties, but we haven't seen a pirate directly fire on one of his own men to prove a point.
Exceptions seem to be Kuro, Croc (he did try to kill Mr. 3) and of course Squardo in this chapter.Edit: In fact, I dare you all to find 3 instances of where a marine, ANY marine or Government official, has done something admirable. I can only think of one instance myself, which is Aokiji freezing the ocean for Tonjit to cross to the other island, although he did it after letting a group of well known pirates go.
Edit: And don't go telling me Smoker gave the kid money to buy another ice cream, that's hardly anything special…
Why is this surprising when the basic underlying theme of the government and the marines is that they are corrupt.
Not to mention the Navy is a career, whereas pirates are basically just friends, although often they will have other motives. like comparing your workplace to your group of friends.
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@power what do you think many of the prisoners at ID were captured for?
In fact i have learned to not bash the marines for the things we saw during the SH adventure. They're doing far more. Even if they have black sheeps.
I meant on screen obviously. I'm solely talking about how they are being portrayed in the manga, not the general attitude of all marines/pirates throughout the whole world.
Besides, I am to understand that pirates in general are pillagers and looters and killers and all that, but at least they seem to be caring for their own crew.
Why is this surprising when the basic underlying theme of the government and the marines is that they are corrupt.
Not to mention the Navy is a career, whereas pirates are basically just friends, although often they will have other motives. like comparing your workplace to your group of friends.
Mainly so because except for perhaps Spandam, Nezumi and Morgan, we haven't seen any corruption. They just seem to want to uphold 'Justice' in whatever way necessary. Kizaru was carelessly blowing up groves and Akainu hasn't done any damage at all in this war except to the marines themselves. Fine, abandoning the battle is grounds for court marshal but you don't just go around executing people during the battle when thousands of pirates are standing in front of you. And while I was against the cowardice that the marines who ran away had displayed, if not even their Supreme Admiral values their lives then I guess they did the right thing. This isn't a display of corruption but sheer disrespect of what they are supposed to uphold.