Another thought with this chapter. With the fact that this 5'th division commander can hold off mihawk and if you assume that WB's 5'th division commander is weaker or at least around the same strenght of his previous 4'th division commander Thatch who BB killed before he got his devil fruit this is really is showing that BB was strong enough to be a shickibukai before…. more so than possibly getting a lucky hit on Shanks
Chapter 561 "Luffy vs Hawkeye" Discussion
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buggys look when mihawk throws the muggy ball right back at him is absolutely priceless
im still laughing
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Maybe not slaugtered, but many people in the forums and in the manga itself were saying Luffy wouldn't be able to do a thing in the war. Forumers would bring up Grany Nyon's talk about him being an Ant caught in a hurricane, flung around able to do nothing. Slaughtered, flung around in a hurrican, same thing.
He kinda is. He has many allies that can fight his battle tho. Mihawk/Smoker would destroyed him if nobody came to save his ass.
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Vista is pretty cool.
I like the Carebears pic, it's probably the real life inspiration for Kuma.As for Mihawk, and (I know fanboys will call b.s., but fuck them) I find it interesting that his fighting style is more suited for mid-long range combat, where as if someone is right up next to him that is as fast as Luffy, he has a hell of a hard time cutting him.
With wide-range shots, he's godly, but precision piercing shots are pretty bleh, I hope this is how Zoro beats him.
It's also nice to see Luffy not showing he's below Mihawk, the Buggy move was genius.I want more Crocodile vs Donflamingo!
what does that mean? it is quite clear in this chapter that luffy would get destroyed if he had to fight mihawk. i mean think back to magelan fight. How can Luffy beat him if he can't touch him. Luffy can't attack mihawk, it was shown that if he even tried he would lose his arms.
This isn't like the zoro vs. luffy fight way back in whiskey peak. mihawk is on another level. but just as mihawk said about luffy's ability to get allies, that is something it appears mihawk doesn not have, thus my reasoning on why he isn't a yonkou.
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No Mihawk, I would call that generic ability of shonen Jump main characters.
Agreed, Luffy,Naruto,Sasuke,Ichigo,etc…. There isn't anything special about wat Luffy is doing. Get ass beat for a while (Insert someone to save him) and he keeps it moving.
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As stated by Mihawk in this chapter, the fact that Luffy has so many allies helping him out is because of his ability to make friends. Ergo that's part of HIS power so the fact that he's got people to bail him out makes him a really dangerous opponent.
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You really have to think does the WG win this battle?
In terms of future story, if the WG loses this fight who will the adversaries be for luffy in teh rest of the series. Baring smoker trying to redeme himself and dogging him, you have to put him up against the other emperors for crossing their territory.
If the WG wins the fight you have luffy as the survivor of that incident and knowing the truth making him an even bigger target of the WG.
How much of whitebeard's crew will survive this? Will ace even be saved. We can recall luffy's dissapointment at being unable to save anyone on his crew, then feeling slightly better that he saved people from the prison, but can he really save ace? If he saves ace then what? Ace+Luffy and whatever's left of the WB pirates try and escape, with ace as the new defacto head of the WB pirates given WB surely wont live past this battle.
Going to be exceptionally interesting how this ends. Kumabots will no doubt be far stronger then people give them credit for.
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Another thought with this chapter. With the fact that this 5'th division commander can hold off mihawk and if you assume that WB's 5'th division commander is weaker or at least around the same strenght of his previous 4'th division commander Thatch who BB killed before he got his devil fruit this is really is showing that BB was strong enough to be a shickibukai before…. more so than possibly getting a lucky hit on Shanks
It has never been stated how commanders work in whitebeards crew. I mean think of marco, he could be basically his first mate, always been with him and thus given first commander when they got big enough. and so on. Like if strawhats each came back with their own crews and became commanders like whitebeards crew. Usopp would be what 3rd commander, and sanji 4th.
Also we don't know how BB killed thatch. I am gonna assume he stabbed him in the back and stole teh fruit. I mean it would be easiest and make most sense. He wouldn't want to have a huge war right there, and thatch would trust him so be easy to stab him in the back. So who knows if he is stronger than thatch or not.
And as for 5th commander holding off mihawk, its typical of all shonen. (well besides we don't know how long he will last, but we do know since swordsman mihawk will win) But in shonen it happens all the time, the oppenents match up so their abilities are similar and only ones that can stop them or whatever. You get smart cunning people fight smart cunning, you get swordsman fighting swordsman, ect. For all we know this is the only commander that could stop mihawk, because others just don't match up well with him. Just as there are people mihawk couldn't beat just due to matching up bad. such as if buggy wasn't a pussy.
Dragonball out of all the good things it did, did one horrible thing. It had all similar powers. Thus people tend to always go if A > B and B > C, then A > C. But that is not true. For example lets say Mihawk > Vista, Vista > Jozu, that doesn't mean Mihawk > Jozu. So yes others could possibly beat mihawk, but fighting a swordsman can be tricky (as we saw luffy wanting to attack and possibly losing limbs) and thus best to send your best swordsman against him.
For now i'm assuming basically all the commanders are of equal str, except for posisbly marco, since first mate (presumabbly) and due to his seemingly insanely hax ability. how do you kill a pheonix?
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Another thought with this chapter. With the fact that this 5'th division commander can hold off mihawk and if you assume that WB's 5'th division commander is weaker or at least around the same strenght of his previous 4'th division commander Thatch who BB killed before he got his devil fruit this is really is showing that BB was strong enough to be a shickibukai before…. more so than possibly getting a lucky hit on Shanks
Shows us Thatch was a beast who probably could have whooped Ace's ass in the flashback. Moreso if he was planning to eat the Darkness fruit telling us he didn't even have powers as the 4th division commander.
Shanks already made it clear Blackbeard wasn't lucky so it was never a question he was near top tier even without a fruit.
And as for 5th commander holding off mihawk, its typical of all shonen. (well besides we don't know how long he will last, but we do know since swordsman mihawk will win) But in shonen it happens all the time, the oppenents match up so their abilities are similar and only ones that can stop them or whatever. You get smart cunning people fight smart cunning, you get swordsman fighting swordsman, ect. For all we know this is the only commander that could stop mihawk, because others just don't match up well with him. Just as there are people mihawk couldn't beat just due to matching up bad. such as if buggy wasn't a pussy.
Except for most of the war this hasn't been happening.
Really? Why couldn't Marco? Joz already did and no reason he couldn't't again, even Ace could hold off Mihawk for a little while as would Thatch like Rayleigh vs. Kizaru. Vista made an appearance to show he really was a major player in the flashback and possibly some foreshadowing of how strong Zoro will have to become later on. Not Oda going through with a shounen clique, which in truth is mostly done because fights between similar battle styles are easy to design.
For now i'm assuming basically all the commanders are of equal str, except for posisbly marco, since first mate (presumabbly) and due to his seemingly insanely hax ability. how do you kill a pheonix?
All of them? Usually the clique is the top 5 are much stronger than 6 down like Claymore and Mr.5 pair. Really doubt WB has 16 guys all of similar strength or the balance would really really be off between Yonkou, Warlords, and the Marines.
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@Thousand:
As stated by Mihawk in this chapter, the fact that Luffy has so many allies helping him out is because of his ability to make friends. Ergo that's part of HIS power so the fact that he's got people to bail him out makes him a really dangerous opponent.
You have to be kidding me. In front of Kuma,Smoker, and Mihawk luffy isn't dangerous at all. His friends triple teaming them might be dangerous tho.
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You have to be kidding me. In front of Kuma,Smoker, and Mihawk luffy isn't dangerous at all. His friends triple teaming them might be dangerous tho.
…that's what he's saying.
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Great chapter, Buggy's face was priceless
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Anybody who denies Haki wasn't being used in this chapter is in fucking denial.
Clearly the infancy of prediction Haki being shown. Luffy stopping his jet gattling because he correctly realizes he'll get his arm sliced off.
@Crossword
Did you miss the part where he zoomed in on Luffy and did an attack that completely ignored the marine&pirate going at it between them? More than simple air slashes going on, the man can pin point attacks capable of decimating the entire battlefield.Ummmmmmmmm…...........how about Luffy just though ahead and thought..."oh crap, Mihawk can cut my damn arm off!"
No No No, your right, it was def. Haki!
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Great chapter, Buggy's face was priceless
Nice avatar, I can't wait til Oda does a Smoker arc. We barley ever see him.
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You have to be kidding me. In front of Kuma,Smoker, and Mihawk luffy isn't dangerous at all. His friends triple teaming them might be dangerous tho.
And why are they triple teaming them? Come on Juju, you can do it!!!
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Yes Oda went out of his way to have luffy stop his attack post extending his supersonic fists and drew a panel showing us Luffy imagining his arm getting sliced off to tell us luffy spontaneously had common sense, followed by Mihawk commenting on Luffy's attitude about facing him all of which is completely different than Haki because Haki must be ki, chakra, ripoff, we'll never see haki blah blah blah ablah baheialjfioaeojailtgahioghaiogjlnaioghioaaghaopghao
Mihawks eyes are from a DF too….no he's a humoculos and a Vega punk creation with Moria fruit who has shadows from the greatest swordsman from all time within him. Vista is really the strongest natural sworedsman behind Shanks who is the only DF fruit who can swim.
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Am I the only one not impressed with Mihawk? The only time he hit Luffy was a blindside when Luffy tried to run. Every other attack was dodged. Yea we get it he has power but unless he can land a hit on a relatively much weaker opponent, he's pretty useless.
I think the idea is that the Yonkou don't exactly team up with each other, but rather they're all supposed to enemies.
Big risk for the marines. If ever two emperors were to team up….
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Hey Gusy do yall liek think Ruffie has teh fire haki?plz reply
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@Thousand:
And why are they triple teaming them? Come on Juju, you can do it!!!
The fact is Luffy needs help to fight. He got handed the key and then starts to run towards Ace while everyone else fights. Luffy isn't dangerous at all. He freaking lucky like every main character.
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I wonder if the PX bots were upgraded?! I mean I can't see how the PX bots will cause the pirates from the New World that much trouble, I mean the SH's combined beat them, so shouldn't it be a piece of cake for the New World pirates?
Also, BB should be showing up in the next few weeks…......YAAAAAAAAAAAA!
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The fact is Luffy needs help to fight. He got handed the key and then starts to run towards Ace while everyone else fights. Luffy isn't dangerous at all. He freaking lucky like every main character.
"this is no time for me to be fighting a guy as strong as that. i'm here to save ace." - luffy, pg. 3, chp. 561
i think you missed that.
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The fact is Luffy needs help to fight. He got handed the key and then starts to run towards Ace while everyone else fights. Luffy isn't dangerous at all. He freaking lucky like every main character.
WOOOOOSHHH
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Am I the only one not impressed with Mihawk? The only time he hit Luffy was a blindside when Luffy tried to run. Every other attack was dodged. Yea we get it he has power but unless he can land a hit on a relatively much weaker opponent, he's pretty useless.
Big risk for the marines. If ever two emperors were to team up….
Mihawk is ripping apart Icebergs and used some word zoomed in eye to focus on Naruto. Also you have to consider Oda isn't tryng to show Mihawks bests moves when he fighting a meaninless fight. Just like flamingo. When they have their arc and Oda will let the handcuffs off.
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Vista was a lot cooler before he was named after a Windows OS.
Lol, at least there isn't anyone named Seven.
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They got their asses handed to them by a Kizaru who was barely even trying, they'd get their asses handed to them by any of the big name Marines that are there.
Its been 90 mins since the war started. Whatever Blackbeard is planning, it must already be well into motion by now….I really wanna see the "big name" New World Pirate Captains. I'm hoping there are some monsters amongst them.
Aw….you killjoy:sad:
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"this is no time for me to be fighting a guy as strong as that. i'm here to save ace." - luffy, pg. 3, chp. 561
i think you missed that.
I guess you missed Smoker freaking raping his ass in 1 mins tops??? Luffy is not on anyone of these guys level and is getting saved left and right.
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The fact is Luffy needs help to fight. He got handed the key and then starts to run towards Ace while everyone else fights. Luffy isn't dangerous at all. He freaking lucky like every main character.
The point is: Luffy is dangerous because he motivates others (even some who are stronger than him) to fight for his goal.
Or would you say Hitler wasn't dangerous because he wasn't very strong physically?
… I can't believe I just compared Luffy to Hitler... :ninja:
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Big risk for the marines. If ever two emperors were to team up….
I think they agree with you.
@Stephen's:
Men: What…?
"Red-Hair"...?!
Yes... his actions have been alarming...
But it's not as though he went himself.
Indeed... it was indirect, he sent an envoy... however!!
Contact between Whitebeard and Red-Hair is entirely too perilous!!! (chapter 233) -
The point is: Luffy is dangerous because he motivates others (even some who are stronger than him) to fight for his goal.
Or would you say Hitler wasn't dangerous because he wasn't very strong physically?
… I can't believe I just compared Luffy to Hitler... :ninja:
???Hancock isn't stronger then Luffy?? Whitebeard is fighting for Ace.
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Just throwing this in…..but doesnt those 2 pirates who got slashed by Mihawk look alot like Zoro's friends from his bounty-hunter days?
I noticed that too. They might be them. This could be Oda's way of seeing if we remember who they are.
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They look nothing alike to me.
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I guess you missed Smoker freaking raping his ass in 1 mins tops??? Luffy is not on anyone of these guys level and is getting saved left and right.
luffy's completely distracted by ace on the platform. i doubt he's trying to figure out how to defeat opponents who come up against him at this moment, much less putting up a serious fight. if luffy was actually 100% focused, he'd figure out a way to win in one way or another.
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Yes Oda went out of his way to have luffy stop his attack post extending his supersonic fists and drew a panel showing us Luffy imagining his arm getting sliced off to tell us luffy spontaneously had common sense,
Yes.
That is exactly what happened.
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???Hancock isn't stronger then Luffy?? Whitebeard is fighting for Ace.
How can you say Hancock isn't stronger than Luffy?
What about Jimbei? I think him > Luffy was made quite clear.
Maybe Iva is stronger too, depends on the enemy I guess.
The Buggy army is at least strong enough to be seen as a possible threat by WB.WB's and Luffy's goal here is the same. You don't really need to convince someone to do something that he's already doing.
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luffy's completely distracted by ace on the platform. i doubt he's trying to figure out how to defeat opponents who come up against him at this moment, much less putting up a serious fight. if luffy was actually 100% focused, he'd figure out a way to win in one way or another.
yea, Just like he beat Aokiji right?? Luffy ges main character treatment like everyone else. Luffy at this point can't beat Mihawk on his best day. Neither can he beat Kuma(Normal Kuma not that retard one he turned into),kizaru, and Smoker etc…. Kizaru wasn't even serious while he was fighting his whole crew. Kizaru looked like he wanted to take a freaking nap.
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The fact is Luffy needs help to fight. He got handed the key and then starts to run towards Ace while everyone else fights. Luffy isn't dangerous at all. He freaking lucky like every main character.
So being able to get strong pirates to support him INCLUDING FREAKIN' WHITEBEARD isn't dangerous at all?
@juju14:I guess you missed Smoker freaking raping his ass in 1 mins tops??? Luffy is not on anyone of these guys level and is getting saved left and right.
Yeah and I guess you missed what happened immediately afterwards.
@meOme:The point is: Luffy is dangerous because he motivates others (even some who are stronger than him) to fight for his goal.
Or would you say Hitler wasn't dangerous because he wasn't very strong physically?
… I can't believe I just compared Luffy to Hitler... :ninja:
Dude… The comparison explains it well but still...not cool
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yea, Just like he beat Aokiji right?? Luffy ges main character treatment like everyone else. Luffy at this point can't beat Mihawk on his best day. Neither can he beat Kuma(Normal Kuma not that retard one he turned into),kizaru, and Smoker etc…. Kizaru wasn't even serious while he was fighting his whole crew. Kizaru looked like he wanted to take a freaking nap.
so what if luffy's not as strong as the admirals or the best swordsman in the world… doesn't mean he's weak and needs help all the time. the story is only midway through. luffy's still a developing character. in time he'll be able to fight with these ppl.
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@Ghostville:
I noticed that too. They might be them. This could be Oda's way of seeing if we remember who they are.
I hope your joking….they look nothing alike!
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@Thousand:
So being able to get strong pirates to support him INCLUDING FREAKIN' WHITEBEARD isn't dangerous at all?
Yeah and I guess you missed what happened immediately afterwards.
Dude… The comparison explains it well but still...not cool
Hancock kicked a blindsided Smoker.WB was already their for Ace.
@Lacroix:so what if luffy's not as strong as the admirals or the best swordsman in the world… doesn't mean he's weak and needs help all the time. the story is only midway through. luffy's still a developing character. in time he'll be able to fight with these ppl.
Agreed
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Hancock kicked a blindsided Smoker.WB was already their for Ace.
Yes and WHY did she kick Smoker? And WHY is Whitebeard going out of his way to help Luffy?
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@Thousand:
Yes and WHY did she kick Smoker?
Smoker likes it rough.
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Judging form this chapter, Zoro is no where near Mihawk's level. I can't wait to see when he is though.
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@Thousand:
Yes and WHY did she kick Smoker? And WHY is Whitebeard going out of his way to help Luffy?
???? WB is helping everyone who is fighting the marines. He making buggy think he can actualy beat him?? She kick Smoker becuase Smoker beat her boy toe in 1 min. Come on Luffy, you can't have your women fight your battles for you. lol kidding, but Mihawk was wrong. Luffy is suffering from main character, not being strong at making people helping him.
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Really? Why couldn't Marco? Joz already did and no reason he couldn't't again, even Ace could hold off Mihawk for a little while as would Thatch like Rayleigh vs. Kizaru. Vista made an appearance to show he really was a major player in the flashback and possibly some foreshadowing of how strong Zoro will have to become later on. Not Oda going through with a shounen clique, which in truth is mostly done because fights between similar battle styles are easy to design.
All of them? Usually the clique is the top 5 are much stronger than 6 down like Claymore and Mr.5 pair. Really doubt WB has 16 guys all of similar strength or the balance would really really be off between Yonkou, Warlords, and the Marines.
I clearly already covered this. Their commander positions 1-12 for all we know has no indication of their strength. Why would the number 2 position be vacant then? THey would just move around and have no 12 or vacant 12. Or were they just waiting around for a guy who is 3rd strongest of all whitebeard people to join. That is bullshit.
As I said it just went how got trust and given their own command. Say each strawhat was a commander, Usopp would be ahead of Sanji because he was there first, does that mean Usopp is stronger.
And no i did not say no one else could beat mihawk, just saying their best swordsman would be best canidate for holding him off. Fighting a person with a sword is very tricky to do, as luffy showed this chapter. you can lose a limb. Sure maybe joz could handle him, maybe he coudlnt'. That one scene where he stopped his attack doesn't mean jozu > mihawk. But jozu is busy right now, and marco ordered vista to interviene. I imagine Marco knows teh peope poeple in his crew better than you do. So he sent the best canidate available or even possible at mihawk.
I hate you guys assuming that commander 4 is stronger than 5-12, and 2 is stronger than 3+ ect. Their commander position means nothing relative to one another. Think of Bleach, each squad is kind of its own specialty. There is one whole squad that specializes manily in healing. Each commander of whitebeard prolly is unique to one another like the strawhats are, and in turn their followers also probably tend to follow them due to their like of that type of leadership/combat/ or whatever you want to see.
and how are you saying Ace could hold off mihawk? is that again cause he is 2nd commander and thus stronger than vista (5th commander).
Until you guys get it in your head that commander position doesn't mean rank, i'm firmly believing that usopp is stronger than sanji, robin, franky, chopper, brook.
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If luffy going to fight anyone it's going to be after he save ace or ace dies, not until then i would think.
Luffy is not losing much time compare to how much he would lose if he stay and do a full fight with people this strong. Plus some very strong people are try to stop luffy , he can't run away from those guys without help.
@$abZ:
Luffy, for once, is being smart (or his instinct is). He knows he has to get to Ace ASAP, without being involved in a fight. He's recruited some strong ass people who can help him. Luffy's time will come later.
Yeah, while I feel for everyone who wants Luffy to have a full fight, it won't be until Ace is safe or Luffy finally gets into a situation where he can't escape and no one will save him. If Luffy gets that traditional full fight, it will occur at the right time.
That said, yes, even in this arc it would be odd to see Luffy without an antagonist to beat. I'm still hoping for Magellan, if done properly.
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Mihawk is like Kanye West…ppl only scared of him bcuz hes kinda crazy and dangerous...hes only got 1 friend Jayz i mean Shanks no 2 mention hes really cocky too and nobody in the OP world likes him..mayb kanye has a long black sword too!!
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/]_Spider;1333034']Mihawk is like Kanye West…ppl only scared of him bcuz hes kinda crazy and dangerous...hes only got 1 friend Jayz i mean Shanks no 2 mention hes really cocky too and nobody in the OP world likes him..mayb kanye has a long black sword too!!
Gerugehugehgeguh what is wrong with you.
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Yo Luffy, I'm really happy for you. I'm gonna let you finish, but Gold Roger had the most dangerous ability of all time.
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???? WB is helping everyone who is fighting the marines. He making buggy think he can actualy beat him?? She kick Smoker becuase Smoker beat her boy toe in 1 min. Come on Luffy, you can't have your women fight your battles for you. lol kidding, but Mihawk was wrong. Luffy is suffering from main character, not being strong at making people helping him.
Sigh, I can't believe anyone can be so retarded. It's sad:(