This is now the thread where all the faux-intellectuals on Arlong Park try to one up each other.
LOL. Except for the faux-intellectual part. Internet is serious business. This happenned on the last break too. I just can't help but get involved.
This is now the thread where all the faux-intellectuals on Arlong Park try to one up each other.
LOL. Except for the faux-intellectual part. Internet is serious business. This happenned on the last break too. I just can't help but get involved.
^ Yea seriously, this always does happen on breaks.
Sinister plot, or just coincidence?
That would work if Oda shows us how strong Roger really was. Which means we need to see some fights of him to have an idea of what he's able to do.
Though i do think that Ace with his actual personality would never have the potential to reach Rogers level.
True that. And I don't even have the slightest idea how that could work out but I'm sure that it can work.
War.
Boa was pretty usefull to Luffy even though I have no idea where Oda is going with this war. Alot of people think its just to kill WB and make the grandline easier and have ace resurect the spade pirates but since when does Oda do shitty writing like that.
War.
Boa was pretty usefull to Luffy even though I have no idea where Oda is going with this war. Alot of people think its just to kill WB and make the grandline easier and have ace resurect the spade pirates but since when does Oda do shitty writing like that.
It's funny you say that because I've never seen anyone actually say he was going to resurrect the Spade Pirates. From what I've seen people that believe Ace will live and WB will die, usually think Ace will take over the Whitebeard Pirates.
I can already see it before me eyes. Teach and Newgate fight on nearly equal level with Newgate being slightly advantageous (sp?). Then Crocodile stabs Newgate in the back giving Teach the opportunity to take down Newgate. The by then already freed Ace will have a tough time coping with the fact that his own rescue brought death to his "father" which will ultimately lead him for putting the blame for that outcome on Luffy because without Luffy, Crocodile would never have had the chance to interfere. Thus the Ace's coming development will make him the One Piece version of Uchiha Sasuke. Believe it! :ninja:
If you sub Crocodile for Buggy, I'm with you. This would also be the (comic relief) moment that Buggy needs to become a real big shot.
@ pwnobi
One of those shitty theories.
The point is that it's a shitty idea to kill WB of becuase hes too awesome.
"Insert naruto insult"
War.
Boa was pretty usefull to Luffy even though I have no idea where Oda is going with this war. Alot of people think its just to kill WB and make the grandline easier and have ace resurect the spade pirates but since when does Oda do shitty writing like that.
I don't think this war will lead to the New World being easier. If anything, it'll make it a lot harder.
I don't think this war will lead to the New World being easier. If anything, it'll make it a lot harder.
In what ways?
I don't think this war will lead to the New World being easier. If anything, it'll make it a lot harder.
Wb dead would make the seas even crazer becuase everybody will be all badass beuase WB is dead, lol.
In what ways?
The rush to fill the power vacuum left if Whitebeard dies, the pirates who will now have free rain to attack and pillage with the weaken Marines, etc. Basically, both Whitebeard and the Marines kept order, and with them gone or weaken that order will become chaos.
The rush to fill the power vacuum left if Whitebeard dies, the pirates who will now have free rain to attack and pillage with the weaken Marines, etc. Basically, both Whitebeard and the Marines kept order, and with them gone or weaken that order will become chaos.
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Hmm… I guess I agree. the New World will be a lot more hectic once Whitebeard and Ace are dead. Hopefully Oda will use this to ensure that his manga doesn't catch a case of Atlantis is Boring Syndrom and makes The Fishman Island arc really interesting.
Hmm… I guess I agree. the New World will be a lot more hectic once Whitebeard and Ace are dead. Hopefully Oda will use this to ensure that his manga doesn't catch a case of Atlantis is Boring Syndrom and makes The Fishman Island arc really interesting.
Yeah, the only ridiculous sicknesses/syndromes to be had are Usopps!
Hmm… I guess I agree. the New World will be a lot more hectic once Whitebeard is dead. Hopefully Oda will use this to ensure that his manga doesn't catch a case of Atlantis is Boring Syndrom and makes The Fishman Island arc really interesting.
Fixed it for ya;)
I'm sorry, but Luffy had no real reason to believe that his friends fared just as well as he did. He had reason to believe they were alive, but it was just as likely that they were dead. In that quote Luffy says maybe. He isn't sure. They could very well fall into the sea, many of them could die, etc. He didn't figure out anything at all. Maybe means hope, and he held on to that. A large possibility that your friends die trumps being completely certain that your crew is fine (Ace).
And are you aware that Ace was free to leave and his crew would not have been killed? So yeah, if anything each attempt at WB was risking his companions' lives. He didn't know that they wouldn't incur the wrath of WB. And yet he kept on trying to assassinate him. And OMG how fucking cowardly and underhanded is that? Do you think Luffy would EVER try to do that. Do you know who tried to assassinate WB too. Crocodile. Does he look like someone worthy of the PK title to you? Assassinating someone just for the sake of injured pride… actually since the Flashback this alone has completely destroyed my image of Ace. And it should diminish yours at least. I really think that he is better off with WB if this is the kind of guy he was becoming on his own.
Yeah your reaching here, Luffy even said "where did they vanish to" not "OMG MY CREW ARE DEAD!!!" as I said he clearly figured out what happened or atleast enough to believe that they were alive. Second it's hard to say what Luffy would do in that same situation, yet you hold this against Ace when you totally forget that they are pirates (as Zoro said, this isn't a game) and that this just shows that Ace was willing to do what's necessary to get rid of the guy closest to One Piece and fulfill his ambition for One Piece, a move that's very Teach like yet you're talking about worthiness, it's called doing what you have to for when your enemy is too strong, quit the bias. You wouldn't scream underhanded for BB it's not like WB was Ace's nakama at the time.
If Luffy or WB were in ID Ace would break in too and you know it, the same for if he had to go to MHQ.
I wish we could bet money on certain predictions, like if Ace will die in the war.
Wb is the baddest mofo out there if someone could kill him then he'd be dead already.
but then theres buggy…
Wb is the baddest mofo out there if someone could kill him then he'd be dead already.
but then theres buggy…
If someone couldn't die just because they're cool then there would be no One Piece.
If you sub Crocodile for Buggy, I'm with you. This would also be the (comic relief) moment that Buggy needs to become a real big shot.
The problem I'm having with Buggy here is that he's actually a friend of Ace. Of course it doesn't mean that scenario wouldn't work with him but I think it works better with Crocodile because of his reputation. A "how could you let someone like Crocodile out of his cage?" works much better then the same statement with Buggy. It is something you can start getting angry about for while with Buggy you couldn't really blame Luffy because nobody would ever expect him to be that much of a threat. But then again, if written correctly it could work too. I just think Crocodile is the better choice to create this negative emotion.
Buggy is going to be awesome no matter what and I don't see WB dieing. Buggy is already awesome enuf for the new world him and his buggy balls.
I must be one of the few people on AP that don't think WB going to die. In fact i don't think any one other than fodder chars going to die. I said few pages back if your saying WB has to die to change the era there are allot of other ways.
The WG getting so weak that dragon has much better chance of beating them would be a huge change . One can say even bigger than WB dying . They have been around for centuries and control so much of the OP world. What dragon is trying to do is even bigger than becoming PK. So i like that part of the story and hope to see some more of it .
I must be one of the few people on AP that don't think WB going to die. In fact i don't think any one other than fodder chars going to die. I said few pages back if your saying WB has to die to change the era there are allot of other ways.
The WG getting so weak that dragon has much better chance of beating them would be a huge change . One can say even bigger than WB dying . They have been around for centuries and control so much of the OP world.
Your post reminded me that I really want to see some of the stuff the revolutionaries are doing while the government and some of the better pirates are keeping each other busy. When Garp explained the world powers he made it seem like Yonkou, Shichibukai, and Marines were the only major players. I'm not sure why they don't account for the revolutionaries but I'm hoping to see some effects from their actions
Another thing while I'm on the topic of the three major powers, why is it that they Marines think them + Shichibukia = Yonkou when they're having trouble right now without 3 of the Yonkou even being around. I know WB brought some friends but damn.
Your post reminded me that I really want to see some of the stuff the revolutionaries are doing while the government and some of the better pirates are keeping each other busy. When Garp explained the world powers he made it seem like Pirates, Shichibukai, and WG were the only major players. I'm not sure why they don't account for the revolutionaries but I'm hoping to see some effects from their actions.
I think the marines don't want to say anything about them. While Pirates are trying to get OP and some protect islands and do other stuff.
The revolutionaries have one goal in mind getting rid of the WG. So they don't think of them as a world power . Most governments would just call them terrorist and refuse to say anything about them.
Another thing while I'm on the topic of the three major powers, why is it that they Marines think them + Shichibukia = Yonkou when they're having trouble right now without 3 of the Yonkou even being around. I know WB brought some friends but damn.
I think they mean marines + warlords = 1 yonkou plus allies
Yonkou don't work together and are rivals .
@Thousand:
Fixed it for ya;)
Nope. It was right the first time.
I think the marines don't want to say anything about them. While Pirates are trying to get OP and some protect islands and do other stuff.
The revolutionaries have one goal in mind getting rid of the WG. So they don't think of them as a world power . Most governments would just call them terrorist and refuse to say anything about them.
I think they mean marines + warlords = 1 yonkou plus allies
Yonkou don't work together and are rivals .
I agree that the Yonkou are rivals. Although Shanks blocking Kidou for WB seems like them working together in one fashion or another. Also, I think that the marines meant that them + Shichibukai = 4 Yonkou.
Nope. It was right the first time.
So how exactly does Ace's death cause a power vacuum in the New World throwing it into chaos?
I agree that the Yonkou are rivals. Although Shanks blocking Kidou for WB seems like them working together in one fashion or another. Also, I think that the marines meant that them + Shichibukai = 4 Yonkou.
Well that is what allot of people thought that at start of the manga , As time goes on things change . I don't think anyone would say the marines + warlords can fight all the yonkou at one time plus there allies that they bring.
It would be over kill. Now WB might have the strongest force but these guys must allot strong people to kept each other at bay. Plus a while back you see the WG did not want Shanks and WB meeting.
It doesn't.
I must be one of the few people on AP that don't think WB going to die. In fact i don't think any one other than fodder chars going to die. I said few pages back if your saying WB has to die to change the era there are allot of other ways.
The WG getting so weak that dragon has much better chance of beating them would be a huge change . One can say even bigger than WB dying . They have been around for centuries and control so much of the OP world. What dragon is trying to do is even bigger than becoming PK. So i like that part of the story and hope to see some more of it .
But how will the WG be weakened by the war if noone but fodder dies? I mean the main reason I (and I assume most people) think WB will die is because then it requires only one death - we know Oda isn't going to mass murder his characters - and it is significant enough to totally upset the balance in the world. If noone dies then not much changes but there is supposed to be a "new era" after this.
Well that is what allot of people thought that at start of the manga , As time goes on things change . I don't think anyone would say the marines + warlords can fight all the yonkou at one time plus there allies that they bring.
It would be over kill. Now WB might have the strongest force but these guys must allot strong people to kept each other at bay. Plus a while back you see the WG did not want Shanks and WB meeting.
That was my point
It doesn't.
Hmm… I guess I agree. the New World will be a lot more hectic once Whitebeard and Ace are dead. Hopefully Oda will use this to ensure that his manga doesn't catch a case of Atlantis is Boring Syndrom and makes The Fishman Island arc really interesting.
Exactly why I fixed it for ya;)
Meh. Ace is gonna die. I was just throwing that out there.
Ace
Will
Cease
Living.
AWCL. Join the Ace Will Cease Living brigade.
But how will the WG be weakened by the war if noone but fodder dies? I mean the main reason I (and I assume most people) think WB will die is because then it requires only one death - we know Oda isn't going to mass murder his characters - and it is significant enough to totally upset the balance in the world. If noone dies then not much changes but there is supposed to be a "new era" after this.
It depends i call everyone that not grap, smoker or admirals fodder on the marines side.
So that leaves everyone else VA, captain etc etc . If allot fairly strong marines die it makes there force weak , making things easier for dragon. The admirals can't be everywhere at once and if they also get rid of the warlords that is another group of people dragon would not have to worry about .
Meh. Ace is gonna die. I was just throwing that out there.
Ace
Will
Cease
Living.AWCL. Join the Ace Will Cease Living brigade.
Where do I sign up.
Meh. Ace is gonna die. I was just throwing that out there.
Ace
Will
Cease
Living.AWCL. Join the Ace Will Cease Living brigade.
Yes, I respect though disagree with your opinion that Ace's vital functions will end permanently. I was simply pointing out that your sentence implied that whether he died or not had any effect on the state of the New World when in actuality, his death would affect shit in that regards.
Wait a second!!! Another Ace will die hate group!?! Remember what happened to the last one?:P
Meh. Ace is gonna die. I was just throwing that out there.
Ace
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Living.AWCL. Join the Ace Will Cease Living brigade.
thats funny.
Ppl will still say no one dies in one piece.
WB will break the rule. Ace will just tag along.
@Thousand:
Wait a second!!! Another Ace will die hate group!?! Remember what happened to the last one?:P
I liked A.I.D.S.! In fact, I perfer it over this!
Im afraid to ask but what does A.I.D.S stand fo.
Actually, it's Ace is Dead Society.
You know, no one who has suggested Ace dying has explained how they will do that with a very powerful and competent Whitebeard still alive. Or, if they do do that, how they will be in any shape to kill Ace afterwards. This battle has been pretty even so far.
I mean, the guy can destroy Marineford in one attack. It seems to me that if this war reaches the point Ace is about to die, he could do something drastic to stop it. If Whitebeard dies, it's easily foreseeable the he could use his power to make an impact on the war. On top of all that, Whitebeard being the greatest pirate in the world right now, it seems the WG/Marines shouldn't be able to defeat him so thoroughly unless something in this battle changes.
Are people still sticking to the belief that Whitebeard is outmatched in this war? Cause recent chapters, despite Joz's questionable fate against Croc and Donflamingo, suggest anything but that.
I'm thinking people suggesting Ace dying are doing it just based on a dislike of the character. It seems like a petty stab at Ace fanboys, which I've seen none of so far. It's confusing, why do I keep seeing posters attack things that I can't confirm exist, at least one Arlong Park. This is from years ago right, when people were calling Ace cool before his loss to Blackbeard? If I'm right, I hardly see how that hate can linger.
You know, no one who has suggested Ace dying has explained how they will do that with a very powerful and competent Whitebeard still alive. Or, if they do do that, how they will be in any shape to kill Ace afterwards. This battle has been pretty even so far.
Well it's really simple:
They kill Ace in front of WB but WB can't destroy the whole MHQ as numerous allies are still on the island fighting. Then BB comes with some strong prisoners and finishs WB.
WB is killed by BB + some strong prisoners and the marines take Aces head off… I mean even if the marines are weaken there would be at least one guy strong enough to swing a sword...
i prefer 2!
I don't think Ace will die simply because his death would serve no purpose unless Oda wants to emo Luffy up.
Seeing all of you argue about whether or not Ace is going to die reminds me of the debate, back in the day, about Ace being alive or dead after his fight with Blackbeard. The arguments about it got so big that there was a clan made on the forum called AIDs or "Ace Is Dead". Would be cool if a new clan reemerged called AWD or "Ace Will Die".
I posted this like two weeks and now people start remembering it?
I don't think Ace will die simply because his death would serve no purpose unless Oda wants to emo Luffy up.
His death will serve a purpose he wont be alive the next day.
I don't think Ace will die simply because his death would serve no purpose unless Oda wants to emo Luffy up.
luffy unlike ace wouldn't become an emo. Aces death would help to inrease the rivalty between BB + marines and luffy.