I didn't say that he truly surpassed it. Just that he was in a situation where his strength was stopped by the seastone and killed off through conventional means yet still was able to survive the scenario.
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Ok, but still it isn´t something that can be compared to the previous discussion. Actually you can compare it more to Luffy coming back after he got killed the first time by Crocodile. I know it is somewhat a little different then with Enel but the point is that he survived the scenario. ;)
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I'm simply saying that no other devilfruit user has been able survive a scenario where they are made powerless by seastone and receive an attack that should have killed them. But this is getting off topic anyway.
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It really does get off topic. Especially since the key part of this is not the seastone but the hitting a solid body with a reject dial thing which is just as Luffy being pierced by Croc´s hook. :D
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Except that Luffy wasn't drained of his devilfruit ability strength and it's qeustionable whether or not his heart was even stopped. Robin was also stab through with Crocodile's hook so it's definently not an instant kill type of move while the reject dial killed off one of Eneru's priest. :D
Anyway, I'm getting off for a while to chill, see y'all later. B)
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Originally posted by Ivotas+Jul 19 2005, 01:31 PM–>QUOTE(Ivotas @ Jul 19 2005, 01:31 PM)
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Arlong was stronger then all others of his crew so Jinbei might be even stronger then Arlong
"It's the power of the shark" I think that's what they said about Arlong so if Jinbei is a Whiteshark he stronger then Arlong
But this is just guessing
Jinbei eating a akuma no mi would be a disavantage because he would lose the power that mermen are so proud about (becoming even stronger below water)
If he did ate one he would just sink when he enters water althought he could breath, what would that serve him unless some one rescued him he would stay alive in the bottom of the sea forever
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Originally posted by Zephos@Jul 19 2005, 07:25 PM
The Bellamy/Donquixote thing supports the "get rid of crew" thing though.
I'm pretty sure Bellamy took control of Donquixots crew after Quix left.
But Quix still has relations with them.
[snapback]92453[/snapback]Doflamingo said: "I don't need weaklings in my crew", which seems to indicate that Bellamy never left Doflamingo's crew, they were just separated as Doflamingo was busy elsewhere (executing his New Age plans no doubt). Or atleast, Bellamy's pleas for another chance would be inconsistent if a shichibukai couldn't have a crew.
Arlong was stronger then all others of his crew so Jinbei might be even stronger then Arlong
No doubt Jinbei is stronger, and by quite a margin too probably. It'd be pretty pathetic for a shichibukai to be weaker than Arlong…
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Originally posted by Darkariel@Jul 19 2005, 09:26 PM
**Arlong was stronger then all others of his crew so Jinbei might be even stronger then Arlong"It's the power of the shark" I think that's what they said about Arlong so if Jinbei is a Whiteshark he stronger then Arlong
But this is just guessing
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I would think that Jinbei would be something more intimidating than simply a shark. I definently know that there is no shark that would mess with a killer whale. Funny how something that has a sort of animal cute charm is actually the greatest predator of the sea; the one's that live in the wild that is.
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Originally posted by Zephos@Jul 20 2005, 01:25 AM
The Bellamy/Donquixote thing supports the "get rid of crew" thing though.
I'm pretty sure Bellamy took control of Donquixots crew after Quix left.
But Quix still has relations with them.
[snapback]92453[/snapback]Technically it is "get rid of the weaklings" and not "get rid of crew". He say that he doesn´t need "Common thugs among his ranks" which indicates that only the strong are fit enough to join him. And that´s what this whole New Pirate Era appears like so far.
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Originally posted by neodragzero+Jul 20 2005, 07:43 AM–>QUOTE(neodragzero @ Jul 20 2005, 07:43 AM)
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Do great whites even have the gall to mess with whales? Trust me, what a great white can do is nothing compraed to a killer whale.
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If you with Killer Whale mean an Orca then it is already been established that a Great White is more dangerous if you compare one to each other. However unlike the Great White who always hunts alone Orca´s happen to hunt in swarms occationally. That´s why they are able to even take down a Blue Whale if necessary. But alone an Orca couldn´t do that so this skill is nothing in which Orca´s should be compared to Great White´s.
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Whalesharks kinda suck. They may be big and strong, but their teeth aren't much, and they're not vicious. I think we may see something odd here….
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Hmmm, thanks for the info. :D
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_Originally posted by Buccaneer+Jul 20 2005, 05:59 PM–>QUOTE(Buccaneer @ Jul 20 2005, 05:59 PM)Whalesharks kinda suck. They may be big and strong, but their teeth aren't much, and they're not vicious. I think we may see something odd here....
[snapback]92975[/snapback]Well I think they are kind of cool. But it would surely suck if Jinbei would be a whaleshark type. I was hoping so much that Arlongs boss would have been based on the killer of the seas.
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Hmmm, thanks for the info. :D
[snapback]92976[/snapback]_You´re welcome. I just love to watch animal documentations. You can learn so much about people that way. :D
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He has to be; "Jinbei" actually is whaleshark. I'd prefer something wicked, like a great white or tiger myself. But hey, let's just see where Oda can take it. :P
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Yeah I know that Jinbe means that. It´s just that I was hoping for a Great White. Well anyways you are right, we should wait and see where Oda can take it. He never fails to amaze. :D
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Perhaps he committed to the name before discovering that the whale shark isn't a savage among sharks.
Or perhaps Jinbei is just so much more massive than other fishmen he may be mellow, but still intimidates by his presence (think Rottweiler vs. Pomeranian)
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I noticed that we haven't seen any mermaids
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Personally, I think a fishman using a devil's fruit would be pretty interesting. Of course, it would completely neuter his advantage in the water, but it'd still be interesting and I wouldn't rule it out.
I just hope Jinbei has some other twist or gimmick to him besides being A FISHMAN!!!11 That's mostly all that Arlong had, and two characters like that owuld be disappointing. He could be a Fishman Karate master or something, I've wanted that style to come back for a while.
As for Jinbei being "shunned for eating the devil's fruit"… I don't think becoming a government dog that hunts down pirates would make him very popular either.
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Originally posted by Octogon@Jul 20 2005, 07:21 PM
I noticed that we haven't seen any mermaids
[snapback]93236[/snapback]Didn't Hatchi have a cover page mini-story where it shows a mermaid? It's not exactly apart of the main storyline but you get the point.
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_Originally posted by Cap'n Carter+Jul 20 2005, 07:28 PM–>QUOTE(Cap'n Carter @ Jul 20 2005, 07:28 PM)__I just hope Jinbei has some other twist or gimmick to him besides being A FISHMAN!!!11 That's mostly all that Arlong had, and two characters like that owuld be disappointing. He could be a Fishman Karate master or something, I've wanted that style to come back for a while.
[snapback]93244[/snapback]Personally I think his fighting style will be a combination of Kurobi's and arlong
expect with more raw power
Originally posted by neodragzero@Jul 20 2005, 07:30 PM
I noticed that we haven't seen any mermaids
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Didn't Hatchi have a cover page mini-story where it shows a mermaid? It's not exactly apart of the main storyline but you get the point.
[snapback]93246[/snapback]Heh,Sorry i didn't get that far in the anime yet_
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Originally posted by Octogon@Jul 20 2005, 07:37 PM
Heh,Sorry i didn't get that far in the anime yet
[snapback]93252[/snapback]The cover page mini-stories I refer to are only in the manga.
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Who mentioned about Jinbei? Which episode is that? I really wanted to see what they say about that Ultimate Merman you guys are talking about. Its preferdable if Jinbei is a Megalodon WITHOUT the DF power. Jinbei wouldn't have gone to the sea forever if he ATE a DF. Why the hell would the WG chooses him as a Shichibukai since he is so powerless even if he is a Merman but in water?
Edit: What i meant powerless is that when he is in the sea. i didnt check what i typed that time so it might go wrong.
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Originally posted by kaizokuluffy@Jul 23 2005, 04:22 AM
Who mentioned about Jinbei? Which episode is that? I really wanted to see what they say about that Ultimate Merman you guys are talking about. Its preferdable if Jinbei is a Megalodon WITHOUT the DF power. Jinbei wouldn't have gone to the sea forever if he ATE a DF. Why the hell would the WG chooses him as a Shichibukai since he is so powerless even if he is a Merman but in water?
[snapback]94647[/snapback]What are you talking about? He would not be powerless with or without a DF.
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Powerless in the sea. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Buccaneer@Jul 23 2005, 07:23 AM
Powerless in the sea. :rolleyes:
[snapback]94681[/snapback]Yeah, I guess he would.
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Aso if Jinbei had ate a akuma no mi it would take all sense about him being a merman he would be just like other characters but 10 times stronger
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Im talking nonsense but who and what episode actually mention about Jinbei? ;)
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Early in the Arlong cycle, IIRC it implies that Arlong was left in charge by Jinbei. I think that's pretty much all we can say about him.
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Originally posted by Bounty1Berry@Jul 23 2005, 11:54 AM
Early in the Arlong cycle, IIRC it implies that Arlong was left in charge by Jinbei. I think that's pretty much all we can say about him.
[snapback]94805[/snapback]Yeah,but i dont think he was jinbei's main man
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I'd like to think that the guy he left in charge of his former crew would be his right hand. And, it was said that Arlong was even close in strength to Jinbei.
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Originally posted by Buccaneer@Jul 23 2005, 12:26 PM
I'd like to think that the guy he left in charge of his former crew would be his right hand. And, it was said that Arlong was even close in strength to Jinbei.
[snapback]94814[/snapback]Perhaps arlong was not in charge of all of his crew or perhaps the powerful
members all had speacial missions.
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Originally posted by Buccaneer@Jul 23 2005, 12:26 PM
I'd like to think that the guy he left in charge of his former crew would be his right hand. And, it was said that Arlong was even close in strength to Jinbei.
[snapback]94814[/snapback]And how exactly do we know whether or not that guys with Arlong was all of Jinbei's crew? Nor do I remember it ever being said that Arlong was close in strength to Jinbei, since such a comment wouldn't exactly make sense since one of them is a shikibuchai while the other has a bounty below that of 30 million beru.
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And how exactly do we know whether or not that guys with Arlong was all of Jinbei's crew? Nor do I remember it ever being said that Arlong was close in strength to Jinbei, since such a comment wouldn't exactly make sense one of them is a shikibuchai while the other has a bounty below that of 30 million beru.
Couldn't have said it better myself neodradzero :D
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I think the only mention of Jinbei we had was when Yosaku, Sanji, and Luffy were heading to Arlong Park and Yosaku was explaining the Fishmen and the Arlong Pirates.
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Originally posted by Cap'n Carter@Jul 23 2005, 07:26 PM
I think the only mention of Jinbei we had was when Yosaku, Sanji, and Luffy were heading to Arlong Park and Yosaku was explaining the Fishmen and the Arlong Pirates.
[snapback]95089[/snapback]Yeah it was, Strange how Arlong didn't mention him. :D
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Well Bellamy never mentioned Doflamingo either. Similar scenario. Maybe these guys are too afraid to talk about their past captains? :D
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Most likely yes. I have a weird feeling that if Arlong ever pissed off Jinbei that he would get pwned along the lines of how Donflamingo easily killed off Bellamy.
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He didn't mention Jinbei at the park. Of course. You don't talk about your teachers or parents unless there's a conversation about them, do you?
_Originally posted by neodragzero+Jul 24 2005, 09:03 AM–>QUOTE(neodragzero @ Jul 24 2005, 09:03 AM)And how exactly do we know whether or not that guys with Arlong was all of Jinbei's crew? Nor do I remember it ever being said that Arlong was close in strength to Jinbei, since such a comment wouldn't exactly make sense since one of them is a shikibuchai while the other has a bounty below that of 30 million beru.
[snapback]95056[/snapback]Never said that was all of them, but that is at least PART of his crew. Arlong must have had a pretty high standing with him if he was left in charge with at least that much.
Oh, and:
Yosaku: CAN'T YOU CONCENTRATE FOR THIRTY SECONDS?!
Well, why don't I skip over all the complicated battle history.
The place we're heading right now is "ARLONG PARK"!!!
An area ruled by a fishman who is nearly as strong as Jinbeh, one of the Shichibukai,
known as "ARLONG"!!!
His personal strength surpasses that of Don Krieg!!!__I don't have any other translated version of chapter 69 handy, but I think I'll trust this one.
For the last time, bounty does not determine strength. You think Bellamy, at 55 million, could even beat Krieg?_
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Originally posted by Buccaneer@Jul 23 2005, 09:08 PM
He didn't mention Jinbei at the park. Of course. You don't talk about your teachers or parents unless there's a conversation about them, do you?Conversations have to start somehow.
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Well, yeah, but people usually don't talk about mutual friends that none of them have spoken to in a while. "Hey guys, do you remember that time with Jinbei and the great white hooker?" Eh….
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He could have compared Luffy's strength to Jinbei's or something while Luffy was kicking his ass, but I guess you have a point. Even that would seem kind of out of place. Oda probably wanted to make Jinbei more mysterious by not mentioning him anyway. I have a feeling the entire Arlong arc was like a warm up for the real thing with Jinbei.
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Originally posted by Buccaneer@Jul 23 2005, 09:08 PM
Never said that was all of them, but that is at least PART of his crew. Arlong must have had a pretty high standing with him if he was left in charge with at least that much.And Don Flamingo left a PART of his crew to Bellamy yet of course it didn't stop him from simply having Bellamy killed off.
For the last time, bounty does not determine strength. You think Bellamy, at 55 million, could even beat Krieg?
[snapback]95133[/snapback]You never know. The point is that if Arlong is supposed to be comparable in strength to Jinbei than why exactly is that Jinbei is chosen over Arlong. It's not like the world government cares much about the personality of the shikibuchai members but how much they can intimidate other pirates.
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He was chosen over him because even though he was close in strength, he was not equal, and that made the difference, I'd say. Jinbei was the captain of the crew, no doubt, so people probably thought of his wrath above anything. And that's why he's the Shichibukai.
It couldn't have been too long since they split up that Arlong went to Cocoyashi and stayed. And that's why he didn't become another great Gyojin pirate; he got out of the spotlight. If he really went out like Luffy, he probably could have had a bounty bigger than Crocodile's.
And I never said that Jinbei wouldn't kill Arlong for pissing him off, I have no clue. My point was that he had to be one of Arlong's best men, if not first mate, since he was was given control over at least part of the crew like that.
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I get the impression Arlong rather liked playing statecraft. And the fact it's not called Jinbei Park says to me that Jinbei didn't.
I don't really see Arlong as the conventional pirate, in terms of business. He's gotten skimming the wealth from Kokoyashi down to a science. Why bother sailing around?
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Originally posted by Buccaneer@Jul 23 2005, 09:51 PM
He was chosen over him because even though he was close in strength, he was not equal, and that made the difference, I'd say. Jinbei was the captain of the crew, no doubt, so people probably thought of his wrath above anything. And that's why he's the Shichibukai.Not equal but close. Talk about a vague form of comparison.
It couldn't have been too long since they split up that Arlong went to Cocoyashi and stayed. And that's why he didn't become another great Gyojin pirate; he got out of the spotlight. If he really went out like Luffy, he probably could have had a bounty bigger than Crocodile's.
Except that it was Arlong's choice to be out of the spotlight since he spends his time picking on weak human beings with paying off a marine official to keep the whole thing hush hush. Meaning that it's obvious Arlong doesn't want to mess with the world government.
And I never said that Jinbei wouldn't kill Arlong for pissing him off, I have no clue. My point was that he had to be one of Arlong's best men, if not first mate, since he was was given control over at least part of the crew like that.
[snapback]95151[/snapback]A large crew that consisted of mostly weak grunts and only 3 somewhat useful crewman. One of them got defeated by Ussop for god's sake so I'm not given the impression that Arlong was given much to reflect him to be Jinbei's best man in that Arlong is irreplacable to Jinbei.
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i think it was said in our swedish translation that arlong was the strongest of all his former crew members but it was never said that he rivaled Jinbeis strength,
and also it was said that he left a portion of his crew in east blue which means those with arlong wasnt all his crew.and Neodragzero what the hell are you talking about of course chuu was strong he just messed with the wrong guy,
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_Originally posted by Buccaneer+Jul 24 2005, 03:08 AM–>QUOTE(Buccaneer @ Jul 24 2005, 03:08 AM)Never said that was all of them, but that is at least PART of his crew. Arlong must have had a pretty high standing with him if he was left in charge with at least that much.
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