@Brennan.exe:
Goal: the result or achievement toward which effort is directed. Dream: an aspiration or aim; synonymous of 'goal'.
Ambition: the willingness to strive for the attainment of an achievement or distinction, such as power, honor, fame, or wealth. Willpower: the strength of will to carry out one's decisions, wishes, or plans.
ALL of these are interconnected and only a sperging fool would be confused by my use of them. And hey, you are literally the only one to have been confused by this, wintergt, densest of the bunch, even had no complaints about it. Think on that before attacking me for not trying to be consistent.
I don't mean to patronize, but notice how ambition plays a part in the definition of a goal or dream? They aren't all one and the same, so figure out when and where you mean each one.
Try to keep up with basic human communication. This is shit I expect from Urogue.
We don't know what Ace's dream or goal was. We can hypothesize, via a statement from Luffy, that it was to find the One Piece, which could, and likely does, extend to becoming the Pirate King.
….hunh??
There's no reason to think Luffy was lying or anything like that.
Why would anyone question that. It's even to your advantage in realizing you fondest dream of making me say I was wrong about something.
And unless you have no idea what this serie is about, the Pirate King is the one who inherits Roger's will, the One Piece.
His ambition, his drive, his determination, his willpower, his whatever synonym you choose to use, is an entirely different matter. That has never wavered as far as I can tell,
If he wavers from the goal he wavers his drive.
….
lol....damn it Brennan you're in last place on the race here, I take it back wintergt, man, even they were following this talk. This is really very funny.
and is certainly up to par with what we have seen from Luffy. Luffy just has more examples to choose from for the obvious reason of him being the main character,
What does this even mean?
Luffy has more examples to choose from? Huh?
If anything being on screen more gives Luffy MORE time to be seen wavering and yet he hasn't.
so whether or not Ace has changed or altered his dream doesn't really matter so long as he holds on to the strength of will to carry out that decision or plan.
lol???
This sentence is hilariously self contradicting.
Speak for yourself. I included what Luffy said into my argument.
Oh Brennan, you've become the monster you set out to destroy. Even I admitted my mistake here, but you the hard boiled detective has murdered, and he will deny it all the way to the cell in a fit of terrified self reflection.
Well, I don't particularly care for your arrogant display of absolute certainty, as well as the undeserved disrespect towards others; I think it shows poor character and communication. Of course, I am not referring to every sentence or even every post, but a fair many fall into this category I think. This is irrelevant and unnecessary though, so I apologize for instigating it in the first place, and reiterate that I meant no offense. =)
Passive Aggressive Beam go~!! >_<
@wintergt:
Terrible hogwash about how Ace is actually better then Luffy if you just forget things
You people, literally too stuck full of cognitive dissonance to think about the literary logic of the side guy being greater then the main.
But no! It's just magic writing powers that make my fanboy fave not as cool as I want to think of him as.
That for the most part accounts for his unwavering optimism, and complete fearlessness even in the face of annihilation. What will generally happen to people who live like that (bolded in above post) in a dangerous world, is that they will perish. They will die.
What won't you throw under the bus in your retarded crusade to save Ace's reputation?
This fanboy bullshit is worse then anything Ive ever seen south of Phenom himself.
I mean for crying out loud, the theme. Even the theme.
It'll almost be fun to see how many things we can get you to spit on and talk down in order to save Ace's rep.
Main character, main theme….what's even next? Oda himself?
I bet we could get you to deny the holocaust if it meant arguing a pro for Ace.
Funny as fuck.
But Luffy manages to survive with this attitude, because he is the main character,
What even makes you say Ace isn't the same. Since when has Ace been some rational pragmatic fearful intellectual you seem to be trying to paint him as.
Gee..never? Ever at all?
In fact he's irrational as hell, it's the whole reason his ass on the chopping block right now.
Oh wait that goes along with your argument, just not the way you wanted lol.
and such he is being helped and saved when he fails (happened too often to count),
Ace should have gotten his ass killed at birth.
Whoops! Saved!
Ace should have been killed by Whitebeard.
Whoops! Saved.
And within your own beleifs you think he's going to be saved yet again.
gets mysterious powerups when it is convenient,
Ace has a friggin' Logia fruit, don't even bring up cheap power ups lol.
or survives through plain dumb luck (water drop in alabasta). The past few arcs, Luffy has managed to string together an impressive amount of failures, being bailed out time and again.
Wintergt is actually dumb enough to use this arguement in the middle of a storyline devoted to save Ace. Think about that.
Now you can fanboy over this all you want, but don't let it detract from Ace, a strong willed guy, who shows the normal spectrum of emotional reactions to what happens to him.
I don't think I ever saw Sasuke-syndrome coming to One Piece, but it has anyway…very amazing stuff.
Thanks for making the fandom that much worse.