When does LOST restart again?
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When does LOST restart again?
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@Battle:
Well, I'd certainly hope more then three episodes and a quick scroll of Lostpedia. Ideally, a season at most, just gives your opinion a little more merit, especially when you're voicing this opinion amongst people who've been with the show from day one, surely you can understand that?
It's not so much that you don't like the show or the what you've seen of it, I couldn't really care less. But you're lambasting the entire run of the show based on only three episodes & some show synopsis' is just totally absurd, how can anyone take that seriously?
If a synopsis basically tells you everything that happened in the episode only in writing form how is that any different from watching it. I know the exact same things about what i read as you do from what you saw. In fact since the synopsis contains links that instantly take you to characters or previous tie in moments as well as explanations for things or foreshadowing, i'd say in some cases it offers more insight than actually watching the show. Personally i always like to read a synopsis after i watch a good movie or an episode just to tie up any lose ends or questions i may have had.
I good counter argument would be say reading Shakespeare compared to reading the Cliff Notes for Shakespeare. While one does miss out on the original in all its intended glory they instead have access to a wealth of understanding of the subject material. You can't deny that most students would be better prepared for a test from reading the Cliff Notes than actually reading original material though. So i think my synopsis readings are just as valid as watching the show if not more valid because the read offers greater depth and insight.
To drive my point home i read through heroes seasons 1-2 before started watching the show. I enjoyed what i had read i downloaded it and went back and watched the parts that were worth watching and then picked up on it when season 3 started. This isn't to say that heroes is better than lost but simply me telling you that a synopsis is a very valid way of understanding what a show is about and forming an opinion based of it shouldn't be made invalid because its not your preferred method of digesting the content…
@Airflow I could say the same the same thing to you...
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@Lordzeb121:
@Airflow I could say the same the same thing to you…
No because my argument's based on rationality while yours is based on "I AM RIGHT" mentality. You cannot say a show is bad simply because illogical things happen, especially when these illogical things are explained/are going to be explained by the plot. A very comprehensive and involving plot I might add.
If you hate shows because certain elements don't make sense immediately after they appear then:
- You have ADD
- You hate 95% of all television
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Yeah, I completely know with what he's saying. For example, I read a book about Bob Dylan and his music once, and even though all I've ever heard of his is 30 seconds of "Blowin' in the Wind" I feel I can say without a doubt that he's just a hack.
For real, you can't say your experience with a show (or any type of art) is as valid as someone whose actually invested time with the actual product if all you've ever done is seen a few episodes and read some fan made synopsis.
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Now somebody is disrespecting Bob Dylan?
Who are you fucks and why are you so fucking terrible?
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I thought the sarcasm in the first part of the post was made evident by the point of the second half of the post.
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oh thank Christ.
I'd almost lost all faith in humanity… again.
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Agreed with Crowtrobot!! (not about Bob though)
reading about something provides information.
But actually experiencing the full, finished product in it's entirety gives a person a connection with the source material. I'm talking feelings.
If I just "read" a large synopsis of what One Piece was and read the first few arcs… I probably wouldn't love the series as much as I do now. Are wiki entries ably to convey character acting or emotion? (sure an article could say, "doug was very happy when she confessed to him"- Now does that give an accurate representation of what happened? sure it said what happened, but it's not the same as actually witnessing it)
jesus christ... i can't believe this is even being argued
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So by that logic movies based on books are better than the books they're based on because you can see the stuff instead of reading it…
A synopsis is supposed to tell you what went on. If you read a synopsis you might not fall in love with characters but you will certainly understand the characters feelings, their motives, their intentions. Im not moved by television. I don't watch heroes for the deep emotional visual drama, i like watching Sylar kill people...thats really it...now i like whatever Sam is up to but still i don't get that attached to american televison as an art form so reading it conveys just as much feelings for me as watching it. Maybe your heart skips a beat seeing people passionately kiss but just reading they kissed is enough for me.
@airflow all you've done is make snide comments putting down my opinion. You haven't expressed anything, you haven't said anything, you haven't made a point. You go <insert clever="" line="">ZING! gotcha....and somehow you call that a rational argument. You haven't even made an argument.
You're right, i don't like 95% of TV i watch Top Chef, Project Runway, Always Sunny, Anthony Bourdain, 30 Rock and Heroes. You know what those shows have in common. They make sense given their premise. I can tell you in single sentence what each of those shows is about. The Comedy shows often use absurd humor but it makes sense in a comedy setting. The Reality shows don't use absurd humor because it doesn't make sense.
You're saying that in a show like ER they can have aliens and robocop make an appearance and as long as they explain it eventually (hopefully in a complex and deep way) its Ok. Or In a show like Boston Legal its ok for spaceships to hold the president hostage. Or on Law an Order its cool to have drug dealers using lasers and giant Mecha....everything is cool as long as they explain it eventually.
Don't give me that oh they didn't explain it immediately crap how long did it take to explain the polar bear and the dark cloud hmmm? Was it the next episode, the episode after that...2 seasons later....Im sorry but if wanting things to have purpose and an explanation without having to sit through years of garbage is called ADD now then i have it.
You know why Oda is a master storyteller. Because he can things that seem slight or ignorable into the story that you later find out were extremely important and very well thought out, like how BB was the one who attacked Drum Island which is why Ace was in that part of the Grandline which allowed him to run into luffy and give him that card etc etc. Thats how a story is supposed to work. Its supposed to unfold neatly and if something is left unexplained its either slight enough for you to overlook and come back to later or you know it plays an important role later on and won't get explained till later on.
Lost doesn't unfold like that, nothing is neatly tied in, the explanation for the retarded things that happen more often than not just bring up more questions...thats not how stories are supposed to work...that doesn't make them interesting to me...that makes them a mess in my eyes. Thats my opinion. I wouldn't read a book that read like Lost does, i wouldn't enjoy a movie that played out like Lost does. It just jerks its viewers around...</insert>
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@Lordzeb121:
So by that logic movies based on books are better than the books they're based on because you can see the stuff instead of reading it…
By the same logic all books would be better as movies because seeing what happens is a better experience than reading what happens...
wow…
well since you obviously misunderstood what my point was, i suppose that would work.
but Wiki pages, summaries, and synopsis's are hardly books.
Most people know that
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There are Cliff Notes of "a midsummer night's dream" and there is the actually play. This is the students first time reading Shakespeare. If one student reads the Cliff Notes first act and the other student reads the actual first act you're telling me that the person who read the actual play is more prepared the the person who read the cliff notes version with all its explanations and definitions?
Further more you're telling me that the person who read the cliff notes version, which is a synopsis, is unable to form an effective opinion of the subject despite having been spoon fed all its intended meanings, explanations, definitions, and other fun facts…That person, despite knowing all that he does about the subject matter is unable to say he doesn't like it simply because he's never read the original...
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@Lordzeb121:
@airflow all you've done is make snide comments putting down my opinion. You haven't expressed anything, you haven't said anything, you haven't made a point. You go <insert clever="" line="">ZING! gotcha….and somehow you call that a rational argument.</insert>
Just because they're short, snide comments doesn't mean they're not rational. Unlike you, I don't have to waste my time writing long, pointless essays to make an obvious point.
You haven't even made an argument.
Well you're doing a very good job of debating this non-existent argument. Kudos
You're right, i don't like 95% of TV i watch Top Chef, Project Runway, Always Sunny, Anthony Bourdain, 30 Rock and Heroes. You know what those shows have in common. They make sense given their premise. I can tell you in single sentence what each of those shows is about. The Comedy shows often use absurd humor but it makes sense in a comedy setting. The Reality shows don't use absurd humor because it doesn't make sense.
I really shouldn't be surprised you like Heroes over Lost, it fits your ADD view of tv. Personally I like a bit of mystery and suspense in my shows rather than the "nom nom nom how many plot points can we reveal in this episode" mentality Heroes holds, but there we go. Back to your point, Lost isn't a reality show, it's a sci-fi/drama mesh. Just because a show's set in the real world doesn't mean it can't be a sci-fi, much like Heroes. Your argument seems to be that sci-fi and desert islands CAN NEVER GO TOGETHER NO MATTER WHAT!!!
Also may I suggest that if you only like 5% of tv then you have no place critiquing others viewing choices
You're saying that in a show like ER they can have aliens and robocop make an appearance and as long as they explain it eventually (hopefully in a complex and deep way) its Ok. Or In a show like Boston Legal its ok for spaceships to hold the president hostage. Or on Law an Order its cool to have drug dealers using lasers and giant Mecha….everything is cool as long as they explain it eventually.
…You're comparing Lost to ER? I.... I'd like to say something but my brain just turned off from reading that.
are you sure you've read a synopsis of the show? Or know anything about it?
Don't give me that oh they didn't explain it immediately crap how long did it take to explain the polar bear and the dark cloud hmmm?
That's called an "ongoing mystery" sweetie. Some of us who aren't borderline retarded appreciate it.
Was it the next episode, the episode after that…2 seasons later....Im sorry but if wanting things to have purpose and an explanation without having to sit through years of garbage is called ADD now then i have it.
You might want to see someone about that.
You know why Oda is a master storyteller. Because he can things that seem slight or ignorable into the story that you later find out were extremely important and very well thought out, like how BB was the one who attacked Drum Island which is why Ace was in that part of the Grandline which allowed him to run into luffy and give him that card etc etc. Thats how a story is supposed to work. Its supposed to unfold neatly and if something is left unexplained its either slight enough for you to overlook and come back to later or you know it plays an important role later on and won't get explained till later on.
The smoke monster's appeared about 7-8 times throughout the show and the polar bears were only really mentioned in Season 1. You act like the show revolves around them.
These errant ideas could be corrected if you actually bothered to understand the show you're attacking.
Lost doesn't unfold like that, nothing is neatly tied in, the explanation for the retarded things that happen more often than not just bring up more questions…thats not how stories are supposed to work...that doesn't make them interesting to me...that makes them a mess in my eyes. Thats my opinion. I wouldn't read a book that read like Lost does, i wouldn't enjoy a movie that played out like Lost does. It just jerks its viewers around...
and you've worked out everything that's wrong with how the Lost story flows from the 3 episodes you've watched?
genius I tell you
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@Lordzeb121:
There are Cliff Notes of "a midsummer night's dream" and there is the actually play. This is the students first time reading Shakespeare. If one student reads the Cliff Notes first act and the other student reads the actual first act you're telling me that the person who read the actual play is more prepared the the person who read the cliff notes version with all its explanations and definitions?
Further more you're telling me that the person who read the cliff notes version, which is a synopsis, is unable to form an effective opinion of the subject despite having been spoon fed all its intended meanings, explanations, definitions, and other fun facts…That person, despite knowing all that he does about the subject matter is unable to say he doesn't like it simply because he's never read the original...
Ok, I see your point in that exception. yes there are particular literary works that require additional reading to fully understand. But my point remains when we are discussing media that doesn't have the learning curve of Classical writing.
and weren't you talking about Lost?
I hardly doubt there are any college level classes for that.
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I love it when certain things aren't explained for a while. It makes the reveal more satisfying. Though I am neutral to the "noom nom nom many plot points in an episode" mentality some shows exhibit.
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Ok, I see your point in that exception. yes there are particular literary works that require additional reading to fully understand. But my point remains when we are discussing media that doesn't have the learning curve of Classical writing.
and weren't you talking about Lost?
I hardly doubt there are any college level classes for that.
You're right lost isn't college level and it doesn't have the learning curve of Classic literature which would mean to me that much simpler to understand. If its much simpler to understand than "cliff noting" Lost would give the reader all the understanding of a viewer + all the extra insight i mentioned earlier. If synopsis type reading can give one a better understanding of something as complicated as Classical literature then it should easily be able to give a person a better understanding of something much simpler, like Lost.
Just because they're short, snide comments doesn't mean they're not rational. Unlike you, I don't have to waste my time writing long, pointless essays to make an obvious point.
No you just make short insults that don't really add the to argument, just express your disdain and wit. Then you clap your hands and call it a well played move.
Well you're doing a very good job of debating this non-existent argument. Kudos
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I really shouldn't be surprised you like Heroes over Lost, it fits your ADD view of tv. Personally I like a bit of mystery and suspense in my shows rather than the "nom nom nom how many plot points can we reveal in this episode" mentality Heroes holds, but there we go. Back to your point, Lost isn't a reality show, it's a sci-fi/drama mesh. Just because a show's set in the real world doesn't mean it can't be a sci-fi, much like Heroes. Your argument seems to be that sci-fi and desert islands CAN NEVER GO TOGETHER NO MATTER WHAT!!!
I already said why i like Heroes, it has nothing to do with the overall story or even the majority of the characters. I like Sylar. I also like Locke, i just don't think Locke makes up for everything else in Lost but Sylar can for Heroes. Also Lost didn't start off as a sci-fi drama nor was it advertised as such. It started off as a survivor drama, extremely character driven. Then it used sci-fi to explain all the drama it needlessly created. Then it kept using Sci-Fi because well they couldn't go back up the downward spiral.
Heroes is about super heroes, absurdity is out in the open, there it is, if you don't like it walk away. Heroes didn't wait a couple seasons than have something happen and use superpowers as plot device to explain it away. Same with Voyager. Both those things are Sci-Fi dramas that are character driven. Lost is a Character Based Drama that waited 22 episodes before it touched into sci-fi. Most people would call that jumping the shark ie Real Situation has ridiculous elements thrown in to keep viewer attention. Hence why you would never see time travel in ER or giant Mecha in Law and Order. Had either of these shows waited 22 episodes and then decide to start doing Sci-fi BS they probably would've lost viewers, you seem to think that when Lost does it though its ok.
Also may I suggest that if you only like 5% of tv then you have no place critiquing others viewing choices
No, there's a lengthy explanation as to why that logic is stupid but you can figure it out. This is just more clapping.
…You're comparing Lost to ER? I.... I'd like to say something but my brain just turned off from reading that.
See ^ ^
are you sure you've read a synopsis of the show? Or know anything about it?
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That's called an "ongoing mystery" sweetie. Some of us who aren't borderline retarded appreciate it.
No. Ongoing mystery would be if something Sci-Fi happened in the first episode that wasn't explained and then went ongoing, say The Black Cloud pulled the plane down. Yeah i know what actually pulled the plane down has Sci-Fi elements but up until the explanation the viewer is led in a completely different direction as to why the plane crashed. Because of this the plane crash while bad wasn't an on going sci-fi mystery. Now you have Character drama with an underlying Sci-fi twist and an ongoing mystery. But thats not how it played out.
22 episodes of normal things besides the polar bear, nothing but intense character based drama no sci-fi anywhere and then BAM! SCIFI CLOUD NO EXPLANATION FOR AWHILE! Thats not ongoing mystery. Lost Prior to that was normal island based drama…then 22 episodes in comes sci-fi elements...apply that formula to any other other drama based show that was as serious as lost was trying to be and tell me if you would keep watching that show.
You might want to see someone about that.
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@Airflow101:The smoke monster's appeared about 7-8 times throughout the show and the polar bears were only really mentioned in Season 1. You act like the show revolves around them.
No but they were glaring plot holes and the cause of much fan speculation. Clearly they were questions that needed to be answered because they were answered later. Had they not been important they wouldn't have warranted an explation. Then not only were they answered but their answers just prompted more questions forcing you to wait around for the REAL explanation to all this…
These errant ideas could be corrected if you actually bothered to understand the show you're attacking.
I do understand it. In my mind the elements don't work. In yours they're gold.
and you've worked out everything that's wrong with how the Lost story flows from the 3 episodes you've watched?
genius I tell you
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@Lordzeb121:
No you just make short insults that don't really add the argument, just express your disdain. Then you clap your hands and call it a well played move.
I actually really like this analysis because it makes me feel like I'm playing some kind of verbal chess game with you. But seriously, just because you don't understand my arguments or want to ignore my arguments doesn't mean they don't exist.
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I already said why i like Heroes, it has nothing to do with the overall story or even the majority of the characters. I like Sylar. I also like Locke, i just don't think Locke makes up for everything else in Lost but Sylar can for Heroes.
So you're willing to waste 10-15 hours of you life watching a show that you find completely boring based on the performance of one character? And you still believe that you have any real understanding of what makes a show good?
Also Lost didn't start off as a sci-fi drama nor was it advertised as such. It started off as a survivor drama, extremely character driven. Then it used sci-fi to explain all the drama it needlessly created. Then it kept using Sci-Fi because well they couldn't go back up the downward spiral.
The smoke monster featured in the very first episode you tard. Again you show an astonishing amount of ignorance about the show you have such an "expert" opinion on.
Heroes is about super heroes, absurdity is out in the open, there it is, if you don't like it walk away. Heroes didn't wait a couple seasons than have something happen and use superpowers as plot device to explain it away. Same with Voyager. Both those things are Sci-Fi dramas that are character driven. Lost is a Character Based Drama that waited 22 episodes before it touched into sci-fi.
No it didn't, you're a moron.
Most people would call that jumping the shark ie Real Situation has ridiculous elements thrown in to keep viewer attention. Hence why you would never see time travel in ER or giant Mecha in Law and Order. Had either of these shows waited 22 episodes and then decide to start doing Sci-fi BS they probably would've lost viewers, you seem to think that when Lost does it though its ok.
You seem to be ignoring my points, the show and reality. I repeat: NONE OF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING HAPPENED.
No, there's a lengthy explanation as to why that logic is stupid but you can figure it out. This is just more clapping.
No there isn't
See ^ ^
No I don't
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More dodging the question…
No. Ongoing mystery would be if something Sci-Fi happened in the first episode that wasn't explained and then went ongoing,
You mean like what happened in Lost? ah durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
say The Black Cloud pulled the plane down. Yeah i know what actually pulled the plane down has Sci-Fi elements but up until the explanation the viewer is led in a completely different direction as to why the plane crashed. Because of this the plane crash while bad wasn't an on going sci-fi mystery.
The central mystery of the show is the Island not the plane crash and we had plenty of mysteries about the island from the get go. You could at least check your facts now and again…
Now you have Character drama with an underlying Sci-fi twist and an ongoing mystery. But thats not how it played out.
And you can tell this from the three episodes and the brief glance of wikipedia you took? I've already shown you know nothing about the show, how on earth would you know how it's played out?
22 episodes of normal things besides the polar bear, nothing but intense character based drama no sci-fi anywhere and then BAM! SCIFI CLOUD NO EXPLANATION FOR AWHILE!
IT WAS IT THE FIRST EPISODE!!! What did you think killed the pilot then, a dinosaur??? A giant mech?????
Thats not ongoing mystery. Lost Prior to that was normal island based drama…then 22 episodes in comes sci-fi elements...apply that formula to any other other drama based show that was as serious as lost was trying to be and tell me if you would keep watching that show.
Yeah sure, if you ignore all the supernatural undertones, like the dreams, the visions, the symbolism, the general feel, the fact that people spent the first 22 episodes talking about a giant monster that killed the pilot. You know, the things you'd pick up if you watched the show.
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Do you know how to argue or do you just know how to make generic statements? Could you stop running away from my points and actually answer them.
No but they were glaring plot holes and the cause of much fan speculation. Clearly they were questions that needed to be answered because they were answered later. Had they not been important they wouldn't have warranted an explation.
wtf, how are they plot holes? What do they contradict in the plot? Anyway, the monster is important but wasn't crucial to the show (untill very recently). We knew he killed things and that he "judged" people and that was all we really needed to know back then. Why would we need to know every detail about it? Us fans who don't act like we've downed 10 bags of sugar are perfectly willing to wait until the writers feel the time is right.
I do understand it. In my mind the elements don't work. In yours they're gold.
I've offered a rational explanation for why they work while you…haven't.
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Lordzeb: far to genius to actually watch shows or answer point he instead retorts to generically dismissing things he doesn't understand.
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You don't see the cloud…you just hear a noise. Thats not sci-fi, they didn't show a smoke monster coming up, that would've been sci-fi. It wasn't implied that anything supernatural was going on to make the plane crash, for all anyone knew it technical malfunction pilot died because of some complications....So for 22 episodes aside from polar bear everything is based on character interaction and its not until 22 episodes in that we truly see sci-fi elements of this sci-fi show. Thats called jumping the shark in my book. Thats called creating plot twist out of nowhere and nothing to keep the show interesting. Now after 22 episodes you can call it sci-fi because no one in their right mind would consider the first 22 episodes of lost Sci-Fi if that was all they'd seen of it...they would've called it a survivor drama because the plot of every single one of those episodes was based on character interaction and struggle to survive on the island...again, not sci-fi. Not remotely Sci-Fi. Not Sci-Fi esque or Sci-Fi mesh...it was a drama
You are just going to say that whatever i say is irrational and therefore invalid even though those are just your opinions at the end of the day. Personally i can't see how someone could sit through something like this but i couldn't see how someone could read the Divinci Code and enjoy it either. I guess i just have something against poorly crafted storytelling and hyped up over dramatic explanations for the already overly dramatic things. Lets talk about that smoke monster that wasn't important. The Smoke monster is a semi-conscience being that judges people named Cerberus that has something to do with a guy with God like powers who is named after a biblical figure. This was of course the explanation as to why the plane fell...and you don't find out half of that explanation until recently...and you call that good storytelling...
Just take some time to think about lost without knowing what you know now about it. You'd be going there was noises and the plane crashed then they cried and talked about stuff for a long tim drama drama drama then a polar bear came then more drama and interaction then a black cloud took someone away then the other people showed up then it turns out they were always there then...etc etc...just do that for all season and if you can do that and say well done lost writers then my hats off to you. I can't do that. My bad or my fault or whatever but i can't call something that plays out like that good. I think people don't watch lost for the drama anymore, i think that there are literally so many unanswered questions that people will just tune in week after week because they need an explanation to the past 5 seasons...they need something to validate something because if they don't offer some type of closure for you the entire series will have been a waste of your time...all 5 years down the drain because at this point none of you can say it makes any sense at all because you can't even explain half the stuff thats going on...
Thats all just me being irrational again me and my crazy thoughts...im bowing out of this now my ADD is telling me to go get something to drink cause heroes will be on in an hour...
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Well, I'm glad this dsicussion/debate/argument/whatever is here instead of in the LOST topic.
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You don't see the cloud…you just hear a noise.
Yeah you're absolutely right. How dare we assume that anything they could have possibly dreamed up that was gargantuan in size capable of shaking a plane's hull, tearing down trees and howling otherworldly roars be remotely Sci-Fi in nature.
22 episodes of normal things besides the polar bear, nothing but intense character based drama no sci-fi anywhere and then BAM!
I'm going to drop the oozing sarcasm.
Lordzeb, do you realize, THIS is the reason you should watch a show before you complain about it.
When you say things like this, you prove yourself to be nothing than a bitter hating git.
When I railed on Heroes, I watched over half of the first season before I declared it dead to me. That gives me no right to criticize minute details or plot twists after that point because I have no idea what happened that could have made those things plausible, BUT within the context of what I saw, I can criticize the writer's ability (or lack thereof) to create an interesting, surprising or moving story. I know how they revealed things, I was invested in the characters' stories (as much as was possible) and I knew a good chunk of the show's mythology by experiencing it myself rather than reading a 'summary' that by nature of the word, leaves out the details in order to give you a summarization of what happened.
Now back to viewing LOST.
When you say something like you did above, you lose 100% credibility and ground in said argument.
Actually, prior to reading that, I was on your side. I actually agree that all you should have to see of a series to know whether you like it or not, if you've got a critical bone in your body, is one episode UNLESS something major changes on the creative staff.
I would suggest that watching a season of a show would be best to fully digest it, especially LOST, but I whole-heartedly agree that there is not point that should be defined as 'The Ultimatum for Enjoying a Series'. I might suggest that you read OP up to volume 9 before you make a judgement, but if you didn't enjoy any aspect of Chapter 1, then maybe you should put it down since Chapter 1 is essentially a thesis for OP and a record of what you'd be reading for the next 2 decades or so.
So if you don't like ANY ASPECT of the show's writing, acting, progression or revelations after watching an episode, I might suggest you drop it. And if you cite those points in your argument, I totally respect that, shots to LOST fan's intelligence aside.
BUT
When you make a comment THAT fucking ignorant, you instantly lose.
You are essentially lower than mud.
To say that LOST didn't introduce anything 'strange' during the first season…
Wow....
Here we go:
They survived a plane crash that cartwheeled through the jungle.
There's something gargantuan in the forest that knocks down trees and roars.
Said gargantuan thing is powerful and can/does kill people.
There's at least one polar bear.
Someone else has been on the same island, lost from the world, despite sending transmissions, for 16 years.
The gargantuan beast is definitely tall (or capable of being tall) but chooses to let some people live.
A MAN WHO WAS PARALYZED BELOW THE WAIST CAN WALK AFTER THE CRASH.
A main character says the island is 'special'.
The main character sees his dead father multiple times which leads him to a source of clean water.
When character finds dead father's coffin, he finds the body absent.
A pair of skeletons are found in a cave. One male. One female. Holding a single black stone and a single white stone.
Charlie's guitar is perfectly intact and serves as the impetus for him to clean up.
Sayid finds woman who's been on the island for 16 years. She speaks of a sickness and 'others' that whisper in the jungle. She also suggests there is no such thing as a monster and that it is instead a security system.
Sayid hears said whispers in the jungle.
Claire has troubling dreams that portray Locke with one black eye and one white eye.
A psychic hatches a plan to trap Claire on the island with the baby because he believes that only SHE must raise it.
Claire is literally prevented from signing her baby away, or is it simply a coincidence?
We find out there's a person or persons who are indigenous to the island.
This person possesses strange almost inhuman strength and reflexes.
Oh yeah, they find a metal hatch in the middle of the jungle.
Dreams are explored as a way of transfering information that is important to real life.
Walt shows the ability to possibly summon that which he concentrates on. After reading a comic with a polar bear, a polar bear comes to him.
The man from before shows more supposed inhuman qualities by entering their camp from the sea, seemingly without a vessel.
Jack's father and Sawyer, in a strange twist of 'fate' have met each other. Not the first connection and not the last. It seems these individuals' lives are very closely spun together for some reason.
The numbers.
There's a radio tower on the island.
The hatch lid bears 'the numbers'.
Signs of life or at least a reaction is seen from within the silent (thought to be) entirely buried hatch.
You know, I think there's two more episodes worth of material BEFORE the season 1 finale but I might as well just stop there.
This is why if you're going to talk shit about a series, at least criticize what you can without throwing about random critiques. If you literally have no idea what you're talking about but still feel the need to shit on something, go to the Naruto thread.
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I know all that and the only sci-fi thing you mentioned that i forgot was a man who was paralyzed walking again the way he did. Mysterious monster, which is what they thought it was, a monster, not a gargantuan beast of massive destructive forces, well that could've been labeled as just about anything prior to the revelation of what it was. Had lost been canceled its first season they probably could've said it was an big angry elephant that was stomping through the woods wreckin shit and you wouldn't have been any wiser…in fact i think elephant was suggested. So NO, thats not sci-fi, a mystery monster isn't sci-fi until they reveal what the mystery monster is or unless it does something sci-fish.
Shipwrecked people having visions and dreams isn't science fiction, its been known to happen in real life and been attributed to even sillier things. Also finding the remains of people or finding out that the island was/is inhabited by people is also not science fiction...thats the story of how America was "discovered" especially when they discover the RADIO TOWER...because a radio tower on island is what makes it science fiction. Aside from paraman and polar bear nothing about this series screams Science Fiction...mystery maybe, it has ass loads of that but not science fiction mystery as there doesn't have to be a science fiction explanation for any of the junk you listed aside from polar bear and paraman.
You're watching a show with a whole bunch of unexplained shit going on, that doesn't make it science fiction at all. In fact since none of that is explained in the first two seasons anyway iirc its all just general mystery, it only becomes science fiction when they offer a science fiction explanation for it. Maybe im not explaning this correctly but to me it would be like picking up a book that has alot of weird shit going on thats not explained. Then picking up the sequel, then picking up the sequel to that, and THEN finding out Aliens from Mars were behind all the mystery shit. Prior to reading the 4th book everything else could've had some weird coincidental logical explanation and the ONLY reason why the entire series is now in the Science Fiction section is because the 4th book reveals the Aliens. That's what Lost is to me. A bunch of mystery that's been justified with science fiction but prior to the justification could've been taken as anything else. There's nothing fluid about how the science fiction fits in, its all absurd when you think about it and the only reason why anyone is capable of saying it makes sense is by moving it into the science fiction section and pretending like it was there all along. Again just because they offer a science fiction explanation two seasons later doesn't mean that when you first saw it, it was Science fiction…it could've been mystery, just general mystery, you didn't start calling it sci-fi until seasons later when they gave you the science fiction explanation...
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I know all that and the only sci-fi thing you mentioned that i forgot was a man who was paralyzed walking again the way he did.
Not only are they science fiction, they are the definition of science fiction.
a form of fiction that draws imaginatively on scientific knowledge and speculation in its plot, setting, theme, etc.
"But no! That can't possibly be! Unless they're flying in space and there are aliens it isn't science fiction!"
Stand down.
with a whole bunch of unexplained??????????????????????? shit going on
The last person I saw digging themselves like this deeper with each post as they struggled for ground in their own cesspool of bullshit was Herackles.
You're done. Last warning.
Oh, and someone revive Gene Roddenberry and inform him that due to Lordzeb's opinion, psychics are no longer considered science fiction. Poor Spock and Deanna.
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They survived a plane crash
There's a radio tower on the island.
We find out there's a person or persons who are indigenous to the island.
When character finds dead father's coffin, he finds the body absent.
Sayid hears said whispers in the jungle.
A pair of skeletons are found in a cave. One male. One female. Holding a single black stone and a single white stone.
A main character says the island is 'special'.
a form of fiction that draws imaginatively on scientific knowledge and speculation in its plot, setting, theme, etc.
tell me what part of any of those things draws imaginatively on scientific knowledge and speculation…
I guess when i hear whisper its science fiction
Columbus, greatest science fiction hero ever
plane crash survivors...christ if they only knew the only way they could've survived was by science fiction.
grave robbing...its always science fiction...
Radio towers on islands...it doesn't get any more scientific than that...
and the one i love the most...someone says the island is special...well...if that doesn't make something science fiction automatically i don't know what does...
I see a bunch of unexplained crap that wasn't science fiction until they said it was seasons later…up until then the explanation for all those things could simply been classified as mystery fiction...
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Here was my original post:
As I write this, Lordzeb is furiously typing away at his reply judging from the amount of time he's spent viewing the thread.
Here's how I will reply to the post he's currently writing.
The World: The sky appears blue to me when I look at it during the daytime based on what we call blue and how I view color unimpaired.
Lordzeb: The sky obviously appears red to our eyes. No amount of data you present could possibly convince me otherwise. I will ignore the evidence based on the color spectrum. The sky is fucking red and that's that.
Welcome to the List Lordzeb. Your refusal to ignore points presented to you reasonably and earnestly has proven that you simply enjoy arguing for argument's sake and really don't have any interest in either broadening your horizons, expanding your knowldge or admitting that no matter what your, valid, opinion is, you might actually be wrong when it comes to what you're actually saying. I will read your comments from here on out and enjoy laughing at them but this is the last I'll acknowledge your membership here.
But when I read your list of vomit, I was so moved by your last sentence, that I felt the need to reply, so consider this the last of the bunch.
and the one i love the most…someone says the island is special...well...if that doesn't make something science fiction automatically i don't know what does...
Wow.
You couldn't even take from that, that a main character in a conflict defining conversation saying something like that could possibly be taken by the viewing audience THAT HAS BEEN FOLLOWING THE SHOW is meant to be taken as more than just 'a line'. It's essentially him saying to the audience, "Hello audience, this story isn't going to be exactly what you think it is. It's going to be about this island and why it's so mysterious." To contrast that we have the man of science, Jack, that doesn't believe that.
I was trying to think of the worst possible insult I could. This is it.
You make me yearn for Viz Hater.
Farewell.
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i have no idea who he is or herkles…
in my eyes we're both looking at the same blue sky...you just think its based on science fiction instead of the more obvious reason available and years later when we're both 90 it turns out you were right, it was science fiction, the sky was made of the ocean...and you see nothing wrong with that ridiculous explanation and i die angrily...
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What if Lordzeb was a character in Lost?
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He's Jack's tattoo.
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He posts among us, but he isn't one of us.
I see.
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Of the million possible replies that could have been made, I think that was the best.
Holland rules.
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Wow a lot of overbearing points of view being shoved people's throats in this thread, I'm really disappointed.
Flash Forward - I saw this episode after having it sit in my hard drive for 3 days. The premise is mediocre, the acting lets me down, but the writing is decent. The actors chosen in particular seem like a random pick from a hat. The chemistry is confusing and incoherent for the married couple and the police officer partners. When Cho sends Fiennes away I just couldn't buy that he genuinely cares for the interest of his partner's wife and not being alone with the captive in order to rape the hot new blond.
Anyway, the story has promise, I don't care how predictable the ending was, I will watch another 5 episodes, if the acting/plot don't impress me, I'll stop watching. Until that point, I like to remind myself how much I despised lost's first 3 episodes for mind fucking mainstream America's inability to understand science fiction and present watered down b.s. until their audience felt a narcotic need to watch the show and explain the time googly boogly and that the monster was the devil.
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New episode coming out in some hours. Crossing fingers for great episode :3
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Dominic Monaghan is in it, so part of the episode will be enjoyable at least.
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Holy shit.
Saw the second episode.
This was amazing, I fucking loved it.BRING ON EPISODE 3, RIGHT NOW :D
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Yeah, I liked it too.
Too bad it didn't have Dominic though. =( Oh well, Dina Araz made up for it with her one minute appearance.
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Episode 2 was definately an improvement on 1, and sadly/surprisingly, the little girl is a better actress than her dad. That last line is a killer.
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I guess Dominc Monaghan will be Mr Gibon ?
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Doubt it
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Unlikable and stupid characters continue to plague an otherwise interesting story.
The husband and wife have zero chemistry.
Zilch.
That's both their fault. I dunno how she pulled off Penny so well but fails here.
So let's see, we have a guy who (we're supposed to believe) loves his wife and accepts her honesty and obviously wants to be with her, so his…SOLUTION to attempting to stay with his wife when she confesses that she met the man she saw in her vision is....lemme get this straight...ACT LIKE A COCK.
Wow.
Later he goes on to build a fire in his fireplace.
"Why'd you build a fire?"
"Because Honey, when the camera pulls back and reveals that I've built a fire in my home for the sole purpose of destroying a bracelet that I could have thrown away, cut to pieces, dropped off a cliff, eaten, vaprorized or given to my BFF, the audience will be like, 'Holy shit! I can sense his internal conflict' and junk."
This is why the series is bothering me, it's spending way too much time on unecessary faux-dramatic bull that probably sounds great on paper, but doesn't do much besides prolong the story and insult my already low intelligence.
Also, boo for kids being creepy and delivering final lines that aren't surprising in the least.
Wow, she knows about D. Gibbons.
HOLY-FUCKING-SHIT! SHE KNOWS ABOUT D. GIBBONS!!!!!!!!!
She's already gone on record saying that 'there were no more good days', she's sleeping in 90% of her scenes, or up extremely late at night walking around outside, she freaks out at the hospital seeing her equally creepy Keymaster to her Gatekeeper, and we're supposed to be shocked that she knows this D. Gibbons fellow?
And that 'speech' the director or whatever at the FBI office gave at the beginning. Oh man. That was horrific. What a terrible actor. Terrible terrible.
And yet, I'm deeply interested in how they attempt to explain this apparent cycle. LOST is dealing with this issue via 'the compass' and I'm interested in seeing how they attempt to explain the source of these events either CAUSING the future because of the fact that they ocurred, or being something....else.
Something tells me I should read the book and that would cut out those annoying thesps getting in the way of the story.
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I agree about the acting Greg, in fact I mentioned it in episode 1 as well, they actors have no chemistry whatsoever, and the little kids are surprisingly far better actors.
But the story has potential, I personally didn't see the girl knowing Gibbons, I'd like to know why he was in a room presumably with her and the kid in the hospital (rape?)
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Holy shit
It keeps getting better and better.
The chemistry between the actors is also getting a lot better than the first episodes, altough it still has some tricky parts.
The german guy pissed and scared the shit out of me
And the last moment was simply awesomeI'm afraid that this episode was simply awesome.
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I disliked episode 3, in fact.. no I'll watch episode 4, but this failed to keep my attention and make me need the next episode.
Final verdict: 4/10
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This show is becoming worse than Heroes.
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I wouldn't go that far, it could end up like Fringe or Dollhouse, and just take ALL season to finally turn really addictive.
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Now we've got a main character who talks about his mother during sex.
Ho boy.
The story continues to fascinate the fuck out of me.
The constant wrist-waving at whether or not to change the future or not is fucking annoying.
Take a fucking stand.
Determine that you DON'T want to change it and then work towards that. Then, when we believe that it's absolutely impossible for the vision to come true, show us an AMAZING course of events that bring it around.
I have a feeling that's what they WANT to do, but they're not letting it flow very well.
By the way…...it's been THREE MONTHS SINCE THE BLACKOUT!!!????
And that director or whatever of that FBI branch continues to get shittier and shittier.
Yup, the last thing I want at my loved one's funeral is someone using 'damn' not once, but twice.
Kudos to Agent No's girlfriend. She's the most life the series has seen.
And a special FUCK YOU BITCH to that female agent that was with Benford. The ENTIRE WORLD BLACKED OUT AND SAW THE FUTURE BUT ONE GUY DIDN'T AND WAS WALKING AROUND and she's questioning whether or not they should follow up on a lead regardless of what it might cost.
Story good. Cast and writing horrific. Get better soon please.
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I knew it! The British are responsible, damn those queen worshiping tea drinking jerks!
… oh I give up. This show sucks, but I did enjoy watching Dominic back on the Television =)
Now I'll just wait for the explanation as to why terrorists from the UK attacked the US (get their colonies back?) and ..maybe I'll have something more to say then.On the crap side, we find out you can't really change the future this episode.. the guy flatlined for a good minute but as soon as they injected him he came back.
"I'm this big black confident guy like Shaft or Bryant Gumbel!"
Dear god.. the writing.
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So wait.
We're 4 episodes in and we have a HUGE FUCKING PLOT HOLE.
The graph they showed last episode showed crow populations increasing after the events over THREE MONTHS. And we find out only 14 or so days have passed.
That's what you get for trying to be 'the next LOST'. Just throwing together a bunch of good ideas doesn't make for good drama. You need to control that shit lest you look like an idiot who doesn't know what you're working with.
ON THE ONLY PLUS SIDE
I liked the intro.
That's how the show should have begun. THAT would have been an interesting introduction.
But for the love of Christ this WILL WE WON'T WE CHANGE THINGS has to end because they're just not making it interesting. That's partially the fault of the characters who are about as dimensional as newspaper print. Was anyone else creeped out by that scene with Benford and the egg. What the hell?
AND DID THAT SCENE AT THE END NOT SCREAM SEXUAL FIEND TO YOU!!!!???? The guy is trying to save his marriage and he's cooking midnight breakfast with his house sitter??
Oh man. This show is a train wreck.
Here's hoping V doesn't suck balls.
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Yeah, the show IS kinda cliche and I've only seen the first episode. The main guy is just so moody.. I thought it was going to be great.
But it was like important meeting about blackout phone rings Oh, g2g my sister had a problem at school.
And whats up with the "ring around the rosie" shit? Don't horror movies already give us creepy little girls singing?
And the daughter is a horrid actress. I know, its wrong to call a little girl a bad actress but seriously. The writers should just stick obligatory creepy little girl on her forehead.
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So wait.
Was anyone else creeped out by that scene with Benford and the egg. What the hell?AND DID THAT SCENE AT THE END NOT SCREAM SEXUAL FIEND TO YOU!!!!???? The guy is trying to save his marriage and he's cooking midnight breakfast with his house sitter??
Oh man. This show is a train wreck.
I thought it was nice little duchey (or dumb like Dexter says) dad scene, kinda sweet.
I loved that scene, if his wife is cheating on him 6 months from now, he needs to take preliminary measures for them to be even. Hooking up with the babysitter (Who in one of her first scenes shows she's no stranger to his couch) is going to save this show by attracting all the 30+ males in America.
Sarlaccboy I completely disagree, I think the daughter is the best actress on the show. Oh and Gabrielle Union is also a great actress (Cho's wife).
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Just got done watching the first episode and wow.
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So wait.
We're 4 episodes in and we have a HUGE FUCKING PLOT HOLE.
The graph they showed last episode showed crow populations increasing after the events over THREE MONTHS. And we find out only 14 or so days have passed.
That's what you get for trying to be 'the next LOST'. Just throwing together a bunch of good ideas doesn't make for good drama. You need to control that shit lest you look like an idiot who doesn't know what you're working with.
ON THE ONLY PLUS SIDE
I liked the intro.
That's how the show should have begun. THAT would have been an interesting introduction.
But for the love of Christ this WILL WE WON'T WE CHANGE THINGS has to end because they're just not making it interesting. That's partially the fault of the characters who are about as dimensional as newspaper print. Was anyone else creeped out by that scene with Benford and the egg. What the hell?
AND DID THAT SCENE AT THE END NOT SCREAM SEXUAL FIEND TO YOU!!!!???? The guy is trying to save his marriage and he's cooking midnight breakfast with his house sitter??
Oh man. This show is a train wreck.
Here's hoping V doesn't suck balls.
Can we expect weekly reviews on this show and why it's so shitty from you or are you going to one day, in the immediate future, get so sick of it that you can't stomach another episode?
Because your reviews are highly entertaining^_^