Dragon won't show up. It would be too many characters in this war, too messy to deal with all of them. And it would make the meeting between him and Luffy feel rushed.
The War With Whitebeard
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Dragon won't show up. It would be too many characters in this war, too messy to deal with all of them. And it would make the meeting between him and Luffy feel rushed.
Why would he show up to the war? The world is pretty much empty of marine right now. This is a one in a life time opportunity for the Revolutionary Army!!!!
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Why would he show up to the war? The world is pretty much empty of marine right now. This is a one in a life time opportunity for the Revolutionary Army!!!!
Empty? what gave you the idea that it's empty. If it's empty, than every country would have no protection. The revolution army is fighting with country by country. Even if the WG looses this battle, they don't loose the war. The WG consits of 180 countries or something. I don't remember what Spandam said.
They summoned the big dogs like Smoker to the war, but not every single marine in the world. Against an enemy like WB, that would just be unessesary. -
Still the revolutionary army is already on the move. (Robin sidestory)
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Still the revolutionary army is already on the move. (Robin sidestory)
They've been on the move ever since Garp told about Dragon to Luffy and probably before that. And they are an army, so they most likely are going after more places than just where Robin is.
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When Whitebeard finally showed up for the execution I was excited. I wanted to see how strong Whitebeard and his crew was. Then he used some stupid, all be it very powerful, attack and we find out he has a devil fruit. Then we find out that the stronger members of his crew have DF's as well. I was soooooo dissapointed in Oda for making the Whitebeard's have DF's. I really wanted them to be genuinely strong, like Shanks and his crew. Whitebeard should have had Haki instead of a stupid DF.
Side note: I really hope Oda doesn't treat Haki like DF's and start making every new character have it.
BTW I love One Piece it's my third favorite manga behind BERSERK and AKIRA.
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yasopp has the snipe snipe fruit
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I'd be more disappointed if if Whitebeard and his crew didn't have Devil Fruits.
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No way dude. Whitebeard's, Jozu's, Marco's (and Ace's) devil fruits are super awesome and I'd rather see lots of new and interesting abilities, rather than just a strong guy.
Plus we don't have any evidence that a lot of the top guys in Shanks' crew don't have devil fruit abilities.
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i am disappointed on WB, i wanted that he would be able to creat these tsunami and EarthQuake with Haki, not DF, i thought he was a pure warrior of the Sea.
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Not even a bit.
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I am disappointed…. that I ain't in Whitebeards crew. With my dark brown hair and red beard, I could have been 7th Division Leader Redbeard! Phooey. Plus I have the uncanny ability of being a fat man whom knows karate and fights with a bo... Oda really could have had something...
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Watch everyone in Shanks crew have a fruit power. Even the fodder.
White Beard and his crew have awesome powers! I am extremely happy with them. Quake fruit? Man thats cool! As long as guys like Sanji and Zoro stay fruit free and beat up the other fruitys, things will always be awesome in my book. And White Beards top guys all probably have some kind of aura about them. Marco did send Kizaru flying after all.
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Marco's a phoenix. A phoenix. That's pretty awesome in my book.
The only thing I'm really disappointed in is Akainu. Not only does he have a devil fruit, it's lava. I find that lame.
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So basically you want One Piece to be like Dragon Ball Z minus the energy beams. With guys who are just strong. No special abilities just strong. Don't you think that would get old? With the Devil Fruits the fights are more unique.
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Then he used some stupid, all be it very powerful, attack and we find out he has a devil fruit.
Why stupid ? Thanks to that awesome attack, Aokiji froze the sea, allowing Whitebeard's allies to reach the island more easily.
Whitebeard is anything but stupid. If he was, he would have joined the battle right after Oars Jr's "death", which is exactly what Sengoku waits him to do.
And I don't have any problem with the devil fruits. What should we say about the Admirals and the Shichibukai then ? Whitebeard is the strongest man of the world, devil fruit or not. -
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http://i518.photobucket.com/albums/u343/CaptainHypersock/wb-son-i-am-disappoint.png
"BURNY CHICKEN MAN" kind of killed me a little. XDDDD
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No, no one is dissapointed, frankly One Piece has devil fruits, deal with it.
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When Whitebeard finally showed up for the execution I was excited. I wanted to see how strong Whitebeard and his crew was. Then he used some stupid, all be it very powerful, attack and we find out he has a devil fruit. Then we find out that the stronger members of his crew have DF's as well. I was soooooo dissapointed in Oda for making the Whitebeard's have DF's. I really wanted them to be genuinely strong, like Shanks and his crew. Whitebeard should have had Haki instead of a stupid DF.
How do we know that Shanks and his entire haven't eaten Devil's Fruits?
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We don't know. Every last one of them could have Devil's Fruit abilities.So you're saying that Luffy and every other person we've seen who has eaten a Devil's Fruit isn't genuinely strong?
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Don't be ridiculous!Whitebeard very likely controls "Haki" in conjunction with his Fruit ability. We can infer this by analyzing the scene of Shanks entering Whitebeard's ship, adding on top of that all the other high level pirates we have seen using "Haki", and it makes sense. It isn't like you can't have a fruit power and control "Haki" at the same time.
In case you haven't figured it out yet, I'm not disappointed at all.
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Clarifications
I don't hate all DF's, just some of the recent ones. I just wish that the strongest characters, Whitebeard, Shanks, the other emperors did not have them. Have you noticed that all the big bosses luffy has faced have DF's. Crocodile and the top 5 baroque works, Enel, CP9, Moria, Hancock all have DF's and basically 100% rely on those powers to fight, and Luffy beats their ass. It seems to me like Oda was trying to show that true strength of will is better than relying on magical fruits. I know that luffy has a DF but he doesn't define himself by it. He never even mentions he has it until people ask him how he stretched. SO, I just like the idea of strong bad guys with fruits getting beat up by STRONGER good guys with inner strength AKA Haki.
Also I realize that the current story is reliant on WB having a DF. I'm just stating that I dislike the fact that the last 10 chapters have been MAGICAL EXPLOSION FESTIVAL 2009!
I'm pretty positive sanji, nami, usopp and zoro will be untainted by DF's.
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Nope. Not disappointed. Pretty much dropped my panties for it.
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Nope. Not disappointed. Pretty much dropped my panties for it.
XD!!!!
There's still more epicness to comeI would sig this, but wouldn't want another sexual harrassment suit!
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I was hoping WB wouldn't have a DF too but once his DF was revealed… it was so awesome that I'm not mad that he has one. And Marguerite... too much information .
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maybe we will see Vegapunk reveal the secrets behind DFs to Franky once the war is over or sumthing
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/]_Spider;1283243']maybe we will see Vegapunk reveal the secrets behind DFs to Franky once the war is over or sumthing
Vegapunk is probably at some secret WG facility or somewhere on Marijoa.
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Magical explosion festival?
Most of these guys just use guns&swords and most of the explosions are from cannonballs. What battle are you watching? So in a series about guys gaining powers from magical fruits you wanted the final battles to only be highlighted involve guys who are basically variations&upgrades of Zoro, Sanji, and Lucci with Luffy tossed tossed in the mix?
Only thing I'm disappointed in with this war is that the Vice Admirals have done nothing but make cool poses but shown no ability on a grand scale like the Shichibukai&Admirals. Most are swordsman so you'd expect swordsmanship in between what Mihawk&Zoro/Ryuma. Others who aren't primimarily swordsman should have crazy powers too.
If Garp, Mihawk, and Shanks crew have fruits then I'll be further disappointed.
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I don't hate all DF's, just some of the recent ones. I just wish that the strongest characters, Whitebeard, Shanks, the other emperors did not have them. Have you noticed that all the big bosses luffy has faced have DF's. Crocodile and the top 5 baroque works, Enel, CP9, Moria, Hancock all have DF's and basically 100% rely on those powers to fight, and Luffy beats their ass.
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Shanks doesn't have a devil fruit. Well, he didn't, and I think if he wanted one, he would have just eaten the gomu gomu no mi when he had the chance. The other emperors haven't even been introduced properly, let alone revealed to have a devil fruit.
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Mr. 4 didn't have a devil fruit. Neither did Miss Goldenweek, any of Enel's priests, or two members of the CP9. For the record also, Kaku was still ranked above Jyabura in terms of doukiri before he had eaten his devil fruit.
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When Luffy found a way to fight Croc's sand, he started to rely on his hook and stuff and only used his sand again as a last ditch attempt. When Enel found out he couldn't hurt Luffy with his lightening, he came up with another strategy.
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If we're talking Shichibukai, then I would like to mention that Mihawk and Jinbei still manage to kick some ass even without devil fruits.
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None of the gunfights or canon fire is highlighted. They show a couple panels here and there of pirates fighting vice admirals and whatnot but they focus on the big guys shooting lava and phoenix fire and causing massive tidal waves and freezing them AND GIANT BUBBLE PAWS THAT EXPLODE. That's what I mean about Magical explosion festival. Frankly it's really hard to tell exactly whats going on in the panels. The anime will probably make it clearer.
I was waiting for someone to say this series is about DF's. That is NOT AT ALL true. At least it wasn't in the beginning. The story is about Luffy and crew going around having adventures and EVENTUALLY, very key word there, finding One Piece. Mainly about adventuring. DF's were just a way to give indiviuality and creativity to some of the bigger characters. Remember back before the grand line when people weren't even sure if DF's existed. Some people thought they were a myth and others just thought they were super incredibly rare. Yet Whitebeard, the 3 admirals and 6 out of 8 Shichibukai, including blackbeard and crocodile, have DF's.
I WANT CHARACTERS TO HAVE DF'S. Just not the strongest good guys (Whitebeard, Garp, Shanks, Mihawk, etc.). Silvers doesn't have a DF and look how F-ing badass he was. The admirals and shichibukai and supporting characters (Buggy, Smoker, Luffy's crew, Lower members of shanks and whiebeards crew, etc.) having DF's I like.
DF's make the series entertaining and interesting but they shouldn't Overshadow the main point of One Piece: Adventuring is fun.
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Ha, I was thinking someone was going to post that "I am dissapoint" picture at sometime. And yeah, like TDL said there are many strong people that don't have DFs.
Edit: I'll post my prediction for this war.
Everyone fights for a while and then Whitebeard gets off his ship and starts raising hell. Then Blackbeard shows up and confronts Whitebeard. They talk for a while and begin fighting. They exchange blows for a while and then Blackbeard somehow kills Whitebeard. At this time Sengoku (or someone) takes advantage of this and kills Ace. That's as far as I'm going to go though, I can't predict what Blackbeard will do after that or the Marines, Shichibukai, Luffy, etc for that matter.
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None of the gunfights or canon fire is highlighted. They show a couple panels here and there of pirates fighting vice admirals and whatnot but they focus on the big guys shooting lava and phoenix fire and causing massive tidal waves and freezing them AND GIANT BUBBLE PAWS THAT EXPLODE.
If you're so annoyed by fights being over the top and unrealistic why are you even reading this.
@jiggawalla:That's what I mean about Magical explosion festival. Frankly it's really hard to tell exactly whats going on in the panels. The anime will probably make it clearer.
It's not hard at all to tell unless you're blind or spend two seconds per panel (i.e. You don't know how to read a comic).
Remember back before the grand line when people weren't even sure if DF's existed. Some people thought they were a myth and others just thought they were super incredibly rare. Yet Whitebeard, the 3 admirals and 6 out of 8 Shichibukai, including blackbeard and crocodile, have DF's.
Devil Fruit users being extremely common in the Grand Line was established as early as Baratie. Why are you even surprised, let alone disappointed.
DF's make the series entertaining and interesting but they shouldn't Overshadow the main point of One Piece: Adventuring is fun.
What is this even supposed to mean. How can character fighting styles overshadow story themes, they're completely unrelated things.
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Disappointed…..................(yet more)...............
Let me see, Joz stopped Mihawks attack and picked up a gigantic Iceburg thus proving his strength. Marco hit Kizaru, and took a powerful hit as if it was nothing. WB made a tidal wave and had a one hit KO against a VA. Despite DF's playing a part in it, they are still impressive.
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If you're so annoyed by fights being over the top and unrealistic why are you even reading this.
I enjoy this fight, just probably not as much as if everyone didn't have DF's. That's all I'm saying.
It's not hard at all to tell unless you're blind or spend two seconds per panel (i.e. You don't know how to read a comic).
Let's keep it civil, attack the arguement not the person. I'm just saying it's a little cluttered.
Devil Fruit users being extremely common in the Grand Line was established as early as Baratie. Why are you even surprised, let alone disappointed.
I'm not surprised, This is a shounen after all. Powers tend to appear and grow exponentially. Plus, and don't attack me on this please anyone, I think Oda is kind of fishing for DF's. I mean you have to admit Ace's fire, Akainu's Lava and The Phoenix fire are pretty similar.
What is this even supposed to mean. How can character fighting styles overshadow story themes, they're completely unrelated things.
Bleach had a pretty weak story to begin with but now it's just energy explosions and crazy ridiculous powers. One Piece will definitely not go THAT far but it's possible to let cool looking powers, etc. replace quality story.
I'm betting that after this huge battle, if there is an after and the world doesn't end or descend into armageddon, and Luffy reunites with his crew, the new world will have more adventuring like before the grand line. There will still be tough enemies but hopefully the story will be more lighthearted.
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I enjoy this fight, just probably not as much as if everyone didn't have DF's. That's all I'm saying.
Your opinion I guess. I still don't get why you're complaining after so many chapters, when every single fight in this series is over the top and almost always involves a Devil Fruit.
Let's keep it civil, attack the arguement not the person. I'm just saying it's a little cluttered.
I'm not trying to attack you. I really meant it, it's not difficult to understand at all and what you call "cluttered" is simply detail you can't and shouldn't overlook. Spend more time looking at panels you don't understand.
I'm not surprised, This is a shounen after all. Powers tend to appear and grow exponentially.
Then why are you calling inconsistency on something that was pre-established hundreds of chapters ago. It has nothing to do with the genre, Devil Fruits are used to spice up fighting styles and we were told to expect them abounding, there's nothing to complain about when you see top tiers using devil fruits, it's to be expected.
Bleach had a pretty weak story to begin with but now it's just energy explosions and crazy ridiculous powers. One Piece will definitely not go THAT far but it's possible to let cool looking powers, etc. replace quality story.
Bleach was all about boring generic power ups since like volume 6, it's got nothing to do with its poor story, the two things are completely unrelated.
I'm betting that after this huge battle, if there is an after and the world doesn't end or descend into armageddon, and Luffy reunites with his crew, the new world will have more adventuring like before the grand line. There will still be tough enemies but hopefully the story will be more lighthearted.
The second half will probably be darker what with Newgate falling and genuinely evil pirates like Doflamingo taking over the era. That doesn't mean the series will abandon its roots and themes, that's Naruto's job.
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Last post cause this isn't what this threads about.
I dislike Strong people using DF's for 2 reasons:
1.It's false strength. If Koby from the first couple chapters ate the fire logia fruit he could beat almost anyone in east blue and a lot of people on the grand line. Whitebeard is a really strong fighter, we saw that when he clashed swords with shanks, so the DF doesn't take away from that but it does lead to my second reason…
2. DF's give you an insurmountable weakness, Kairoseki and sea water. It doesn't matter if whitebeard trains all day every day for 1000 years and makes his power capable of crushing planets and is an unstoppable fighter with millions of crew members, if he falls in the water he's done. All his power goes out the window.
If whitebeard acts like luffy and just kind of gets tired and sad, I will LOVE his DF. Smoker touches Whitebeard with his Kairoseki Stick and Whitebeard kind of slouches and makes a sad face, "Awww Man. You suck, meanie." All pouty and upset.
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Just going to say it: I believe reason #2 exists because reason #1 does.
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2. DF's give you an insurmountable weakness, Kairoseki and sea water. It doesn't matter if whitebeard trains all day every day for 1000 years and makes his power capable of crushing planets and is an unstoppable fighter with millions of crew members, if he falls in the water he's done. All his power goes out the window.
You really don't like that part of devil fruits? That's the main reason I love them so much. It's a trade-off for the powers and I love that an ocean adventure story is chock-full of guys that can't swim. XD
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I know, I'm a liar. This is another last post. Lelandlandcaster just made the perfect arguement for why I don't like good guys, besides luffy's funny crew, having DF's. It's a cockiness heightener. I LOVE bad guys and goofy people having them.
your signature is my favorite part of cocky people having devil fruits. "I am sand. I will suck the life from you and turn you to dust. Prepare to d-" gets punched in the face by an idiot with 50 gallons of water in his stomache. Ha!
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While there have been a great showing of Devil Fruits recently, it certainly won't take away from the adventure that is One Piece. Devil Fruits give you unusual powers, but like Crocodile said, they are only as strong as the person who uses them (para-phrasing here). The Devil Fruit is a great addition, but if you don't train your real body then you'll eventually hit a wall that you can't get over.
And the last couple of chapters (3? 4?) have been giving us a glimpse at everyone's power. However, that by no means make that the story. The story is around Ace, his relationship with Whitebeard, how his crew is risking it all to save him and his younger brother crashing in from above with a bunch of misfit criminals and two Shichibukai to do the same thing. So there's nothing to worry about. The powers aren't the defining point of the story. They're just the individualistic factors of some of the heavy hitters.
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Clarifications
at up by STRONGER good guys with inner strength AKA Haki.
Bleach is what you desire !
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About the Arrival of the Reinforcements from impel down.
Buggy, Crocodile from the group seem like the only ones who will fighting against whitebeard while the others will fight the Marines.
Soo…. I was wonder if and when Crocodile decides to attack Whitebeard, Mr.1 will follow him and obey him.
I wonder and Want to see a match between Mr.1 and Joz , Diamond vs. steel/blade. would be a good fight. " Mr.1 wont be able to cut joz but will joz badly beat the shit out of Mr.1 want to see it happen.
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None of the gunfights or canon fire is highlighted. They show a couple panels here and there of pirates fighting vice admirals and whatnot but they focus on the big guys shooting lava and phoenix fire and causing massive tidal waves and freezing them AND GIANT BUBBLE PAWS THAT EXPLODE. That's what I mean about Magical explosion festival. Frankly it's really hard to tell exactly whats going on in the panels. The anime will probably make it clearer.
And as someone else said, why are you even reading this series if what you really want to see is Rurouni Kenshin, berserk pre-Femto, Hajime no Ippo, style action? Did you really just want to see a series of air slashes, throws, kicks, punches, and slams back to back at the top levels of OP combat? Essentially Zoro vs. Ryuma&Sanji vs. Mr.2 3.0 over and over again with slight variations?
I was waiting for someone to say this series is about DF's. That is NOT AT ALL true. At least it wasn't in the beginning. The story is about Luffy and crew going around having adventures and EVENTUALLY, very key word there, finding One Piece. Mainly about adventuring. DF's were just a way to give indiviuality and creativity to some of the bigger characters. Remember back before the grand line when people weren't even sure if DF's existed. Some people thought they were a myth and others just thought they were super incredibly rare. Yet Whitebeard, the 3 admirals and 6 out of 8 Shichibukai, including blackbeard and crocodile, have DF's.
Whats wrong with legendary people have legendary powers? You realize these people are likely just myths to most of the OP world's population outside the Grandline&New World. Average bounty is supposed to be 10-20m yet some bandit thought he was the shit with a pathetic 6/8m bounty. Nobody in Luffy's town including the bandit knew they were dealing with one of the strongest crews in the world.
And I'm not saying the point of OP is to see what DF(though thats a big part) Oda has in store for us. Devil fruits are series Ki, Jutsu, zanpaktous, Yoma energy, essence, etc so I don't see why you'd be disappointed to see many. We get a few non-DF related abilities(Kuro,Jango,LUffy,Sanji,Mihawk, Don Krieg, Franky, CP9, priests) to keep things fresh. Completely unfair and a bit arrogant to say the people you listed rely 100% on their DF powers. None of them get their physical attributes nor skill from DF. Established a long time ago fruits don't mean shit if you're a weak willed weakling like Mr.5.
I WANT CHARACTERS TO HAVE DF'S. Just not the strongest good guys (Whitebeard, Garp, Shanks, Mihawk, etc.). Silvers doesn't have a DF and look how F-ing badass he was. The admirals and shichibukai and supporting characters (Buggy, Smoker, Luffy's crew, Lower members of shanks and whiebeards crew, etc.) having DF's I like.
Dark King found drifting on a piece of wood by a little octopus boy doesn't have a DF? A few key fighters not having fruits is fine and makes those people more special(main members of 1 Yonkou Crew, World's strongest swordsman), but you're original posts implied you don't even want future major players(Kaidou, their subordinates) to have fruits either.
DF's make the series entertaining and interesting but they shouldn't Overshadow the main point of One Piece: Adventuring is fun.
Unrelated.
I dislike Strong people using DF's for 2 reasons:
1.It's false strength. If Koby from the first couple chapters ate the fire logia fruit he could beat almost anyone in east blue and a lot of people on the grand line. Whitebeard is a really strong fighter, we saw that when he clashed swords with shanks, so the DF doesn't take away from that but it does lead to my second reason…
No he wouldn't. Pay attention you see the clear difference in scale between Enel's attacks, Ace's, attacks, and the Admirals attacks. Ace made a fireball that matched Enel&Maxim combo in scale, while the admirals casually toss around attacks comparable to previous Logia's best. A person doesn't automatically become Uber just by obtaining a powerful fruit. I bring up Mr.5 once again. Old Coby with Fire logia couldn't lite a match.
2. DF's give you an insurmountable weakness, Kairoseki and sea water. It doesn't matter if whitebeard trains all day every day for 1000 years and makes his power capable of crushing planets and is an unstoppable fighter with millions of crew members, if he falls in the water he's done. All his power goes out the window.
Thats awesome, I fail to see the issue here.
If whitebeard acts like luffy and just kind of gets tired and sad, I will LOVE his DF. Smoker touches Whitebeard with his Kairoseki Stick and Whitebeard kind of slouches and makes a sad face, "Awww Man. You suck, meanie." All pouty and upset.
Huh? Robin, Ace, and Croc didn't behave like this while wearing cuffs so I doubt Smoker Baton does anything for him besides allowing him to hit people like Luffy&Logia's, perhapsthrough Kuma's, against anybody experienced. Luffy's inexperience with seastone being the reason he was all weak in Croc's cell.
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About the Arrival of the Reinforcements from impel down.
Buggy, Crocodile from the group seem like the only ones who will fighting against whitebeard while the others will fight the Marines.
Soo…. I was wonder if and when Crocodile decides to attack Whitebeard, Mr.1 will follow him and obey him.
I wonder and Want to see a match between Mr.1 and Joz , Diamond vs. steel/blade. would be a good fight. " Mr.1 wont be able to cut joz but will joz badly beat the shit out of Mr.1 want to see it happen.
You're stupid if you think Buggy would fight against Whitebeard.
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buggy said he would…but he also said he would be the pirate king lol
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You're stupid if you think Buggy would fight against Whitebeard.
I'm not saying buggy will 1 on 1 WhiteBeard but he will fight some of his weaker man.
He did it in the past he will do it again
Off course this time no roger or rayliegh or shanks to save him.
At least he will insult whitebeard which Whitebeard finds funny. and in a way Whitebeard likes buggy.
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Revised predictions:
Jozu vs. Mihawk to just Zoro vs. Mihawk
Rayleigh vs. Akainu to Jozu vs. Akainu
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I'm not saying buggy will 1 on 1 WhiteBeard but he will fight some of his weaker man.
He did it in the past he will do it again
Off course this time no roger or rayliegh or shanks to save him.
At least he will insult whitebeard which Whitebeard finds funny. and in a way Whitebeard likes buggy.
Buggy just got pissed off when Croc attacked WB ("trying to hog all the glory himself" or smth) so he's still delusional he's gonna be moving mountains. Interesting to see how that will play out..
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I wonder When Blackbeard will arrive with his crew and New member Shiryuu.
I want to see how they will do in this battle.With Shiryuu on there side now who is Equal to Magellan they would not Get owned like they did with Magellan.
I Want to know the level of there crew.
and If Magellan is following them or not and whats going on over at Impel down.
I also want to see Magellan fight Whitebeard. Man that guy is insane.
His Equal to an admiral in my opinion , I would've thought even higher if oda didn't say the admirals being the marines strongest force.
Also When BB does show up will his Shicibikai title be taken away?
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Also When BB does show up will his Shicibikai title be taken away?
I do not think so because he'll be fighting against the Whitebeard Pirates, which was what the Shichibukai were ordered to do. Also, from this last chapter, I get this feeling that if Jinbei had told Sengoku that he would fight against the Whitebeard Pirates, then his title would be intact even after all he did in Impel Down. But maybe that's just me.