yeh i agree,Wb will accept any help at this point from any pirate,and hey they never met before,so will be cool to see the current pirate king and the next pirate king in one ring,maybe even join forces for a while.
Chapter 556 "Justice Will Prevail!!" Discussion
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Hopefully there will be a cover chapter for Zoro/Perona next week and not Brook.
Personally, I would really prefer seeing Brook next: leave the best to the end. :)
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I wonder if we'll ever find out what happened to the PX-1.
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I wonder if we'll ever find out what happened to the PX-1.
Quote of the day xD I´m sure he´ll lead the Terminators to world domination :D
It was a cool chapter. Can´t wait to see what Luffy will (recklessly xD) do
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Luffy will have to grab some poles with his feet and hands and use himself as an elastic bed to stop the fall of the others. Then he should just use those grabbing points to slingshot himself directly to the platform and grab Ace :D
He is going to have a meaningful impact in the war, if just because he and his companions are the "unpredicted factor" that will mess up Sengoku's strategy.
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Luffy will have to grab some poles with his feet and hands and use himself as an elastic bed to stop the fall of the others. Then he should just use those grabbing points to slingshot himself directly to the platform and grab Ace :D
.and face vs sengoku?or one of the admirals?
im sure the Wg wont just let him go up to ace and do what he wants,maybe once he comes near ace kizaru just do his light thing and come right up to him and say something like"oi oi,strawhat,have u ever been kicked at the speed of light?" -
He is going to have a meaningful impact in the war, if just because he and his companions are the "unpredicted factor" that will mess up Sengoku's strategy.
I agree. Sengoku, being the tactician, has probably predicted the events of the war… pairing fighters together and anticipated Whitebeard's strategy.
Now that Luffy has come out of nowhere, with a powerful Revolutionary commander, a Shichibukai, a former Shichibukai and the mighty Buggy the Clown... it's going to change the "who fights who" plan. The fact that nobody at the MHQ knows about Impel Down just makes Luffy's impact more likely.
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I think that all the Vice Admirals except Garp and Tsuru aint anything special. Luffy,Croc and Jimbei are on a different level.
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and face vs sengoku?or one of the admirals?
im sure the Wg wont just let him go up to ace and do what he wants,maybe once he comes near ace kizaru just do his light thing and come right up to him and say something like"oi oi,strawhat,have u ever been kicked at the speed of light?"Luffy's made of rubber. Light speed kicks won't hurt him like they did the other Super Novae.
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@Thousand:
Luffy's made of rubber. Light speed kicks won't hurt him like they did the other Super Novae.
Yes they will. .
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Depending on how you read the sentence.
I read it as Luffy would be able to handle more kicks then the other supernovae, otherwise the initial point wouldn't have even been worth posting.
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Let's just agree that Luffy's power isn't exactly portrayed correctly or consistently throughout the manga. He could take more hits, or he couldn't, depending on Mr. Oda-sama's mood.
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True enough. I'd be very surprised to see ~MR.ODA-SAMA! KYAAAAAH!!!!~ go down that route though.
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Yeah, most likely not. 'Course, I don't expect Luffy to fight anyone worth noting in this arc, so if/when the time comes that Luffy squares off with another Admiral I would hope he is a little bit more than an ant. Speaking of power portrayal, Gear 4th could become a reality! >_<
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I don't care whether or not he has a gear four as long as it's well thought out. I loved the idea behind Bone Ballon.
And I've made this point before, but the only admiral Luffy really needs to fight is Akainu, whom I assume will be right near the end of One Piece. As to whether we get another humiliating beatdown between here and there, I can't see it myself. We've already seen the difference between the admirals and the strawhats, and have seen Akainu's ability.
Though it would be amusing just for the whinging. I remember when I said that Luffy wouldn't outright win in his rematch with Magellan and would run instead, and the howls of indignation that followed(which was coupled with a belief in "Luffy's unlocked haki").
Good times.
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I don't care whether or not he has a gear four as long as it's well thought out. I loved the idea behind Bone Balloon.
Yeah, ever since I saw Gear 3rd (years ago), I had hoped that eventually he would combine Gear 2nd and 3rd together for another…well, gear, I guess. Basically, instead of making ONE part of his body extremely gigantic, he proportions it to his entire body, making him look more like Nightmare Luffy in terms of size (maybe a bit smaller), gaining more physical power while retaining the speed and mobility from Gear 2nd. As the years went on I figured this wouldn't happen, but who knows, right? I'm still on the fence as to whether or not I think this is a dumb prediction or a theory that doesn't deserve its own thread. Haha. Or, alternately, he could turn himself into the Stay Puft Marshmallow Man!
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And I've made this point before, but the only admiral Luffy really needs to fight is Akainu, whom I assume will be right near the end of One Piece.
Yup, I pretty much agree here. I wouldn't be against a rematch with Kizaru someday, but I don't think it will happen and it seems unnecessary.
As to whether we get another humiliating beatdown between here and there, I can't see it myself. Though it would be amusing just for the whinging. I remember when I said that Luffy wouldn't outright win in his rematch with Magellan and would run instead, and the howls of indignation that followed, coupled with a belief in "Luffy's unlocked haki". Good times.
Yeah, I really hope the beatdowns are done for now. I mean, Crocodile's trials were a good way to force Luffy to think more outside the box and not just attack like a naruto would. Aokiji, at the time, was a necessary evil to show that Luffy needs to grow if he wants to keep protecting his crew and friends. The pacifista's, followed by Sentoumaru, followed by Kizaru, followed by Kuma, and then finally followed by Magellan were more than enough to show that Luffy still has a long ways to go and is an "ant" amonst the "storm" that is the major powers of the world. If those direct fights weren't enough (for the readers), seeing the large scale destruction of the people in this war should be. So, really, having Luffy take another major defeat would be too much. Not to mention he is running off of Ivankov's _Newkamaline Rush_ right now; taking a defeat after all his accumulated damage would, or should, kill him. As for the future? I still think he's had enough, but a few more minor defeats here and there would probably be fine, if not required.
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Stay-Puft Luffy would have been great, but sadly Oda has gazumped that by doing it to Usopp instead.
Yeah, I really hope the beatdowns are done for now. I mean, Crocodile's trials were a good way to force Luffy to think more outside the box and not just attack like a naruto would. Aokiji, at the time, was a necessary evil to show that Luffy needs to grow if he wants to keep protecting his crew and friends. The pacifista's, followed by Sentoumaru, followed by Kizaru, followed by Kuma, and then finally followed by Magellan were more than enough to show that Luffy still has a long ways to go and is an "ant" amonst the "storm"
Agreed. I would have thought Magellan was overkill myself in that regard, until reading some of the comments of shock regarding Luffy's defeat, so I'm quite happy Oda had him run away with his tail between his legs in the second fight, Oda seems to judge what's needed rather well on most occasions.
that is the major powers of the world. If those direct fights weren't enough (for the readers), seeing the large scale destruction of the people in this war should be. So, really, having Luffy take another major defeat would be too much. Not to mention he is running off of Ivankov's _Newkamaline Rush_ right now; taking a defeat after all his accumulated damage would, or should, kill him. As for the future? I still think he's had enough, but a few more minor defeats here and there would probably be fine, if not required.
I don't mind seeing him beaten as many times as it happens if it makes good plot sense, though I can really only see one more big beating on the horizon at most(Kaidou), though even that's iffy as we've already heard that Moria probably lost to him, so it's the most obvious hurdle for Luffy to overcome to differentiate himself from the other would-be pirate kings.
But yeah, Luffy should really be knocked over by a feather at this point…as I said before, in top condition he may be able to tango with a VA, but right now? I don't see it. Grab'n'run seems the style of the day.
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Yes they will. .
Physical attacks don't hurt Luffy or at least he is much more resistant to them. So he'll fare better than say Apoo or Drake who were OTKed by one of those hits. I like to think of it as the same scenario as Luffy and Enel except Kizaru has other ways to kill Luffy in a fraction of a second. Still I can see Kizaru kicking Luffy one only for him to continue running to Ace or punching Kizaru with a Haki imbued attack with his guard down when he's not expecting it but that's another story. Surviving an Admiral attack through sheer dumb luck of having a specific devil fruit would kinda lame but for the fact that Luffy would have died a long time ago if he didn't have that specific devil fruit anyway and it's also an integral part of his character so it's cool.
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But yeah, Luffy should really be knocked over by a feather at this point…as I said before, in top condition he may be able to tango with a VA, but right now? I don't see it. Grab'n'run seems the style of the day.
I think Luffy's in better condition than you think at any rate:S I mean if nothing else, he's had time to recover on the ship. I actually think he is in relatively top condition thanks to the hormones but he'll probably be in his worst condition ever after the battles are over. Also I don't think ALL the Vice-Admirals are THAT strong.
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Luffy's running solely on Ivankov's Vigour Hormones along with not having any rest since he first snuck into Impel Down. Once those run out he's gonna be knocked out for awhile and having sat on a ship for an hour or two isn't going to do anything.
So "better condition than you think" he ain't.
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I have a feeling that we may see a gears 2nd/3rd combo here, but it'll probably be Luffy's last hurrah before passing out. -
I would think that Kizaru's kick knocks people out through impact, it doesn't have to be painful to knock Luffy out.
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Luffy's running solely on Ivankov's Vigour Hormones along with not having any rest since he first snuck into Impel Down. Once those run out he's gonna be knocked out for awhile and having sat on a ship for an hour or two isn't going to do anything.
So "better condition than you think" he ain't.
Ivankov said they're gonna run out in a day so it's not like he has a time-limit in this war unless you think it's gonna go on for many hours. I don't know how this proves your point, I already said he'll probably be in his worst condition in the end. Saying he'd be knocked out if it weren't for them is no indication of what his endurance and physical capabilities are right now. The hormones just removed the fatigue from his ordeal not healing his body from any physical wounds to speak of. With the fatigue out of the way, Luffy should be relatively in top condition. Also an hour or two WOULD make a difference, everyone can eat some marine rations and recharge their strength.
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Speaking of power portrayal, Gear 4th could become a reality! >_<
The sixth gear is Gear: Overdrive, amirite?
And as a surprise secret, Gear: Reverse.
The rubber is condensed so high, he becomes very solid.
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Luffy's running solely on Ivankov's Vigour Hormones along with not having any rest since he first snuck into Impel Down. Once those run out he's gonna be knocked out for awhile and having sat on a ship for an hour or two isn't going to do anything.
So "better condition than you think" he ain't.
Unless Kuma removes his fatigue. (wishful thinking)
It is unlikely, but so was a reunion, especially after Kuma stated they wouldn't meet again.
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The sixth gear is Gear: Overdrive, amirite?
And as a surprise secret, Gear: Reverse.
The rubber is condensed so high, he becomes very solid.
Loses his intangibility, but increases in strength and power.Awww, are you making fun of me, Blue?
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Here it is:
Looking mighty blue there Luffy.
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@Thousand:
Ivankov said they're gonna run out in a day so it's not like he has a time-limit in this war unless you think it's gonna go on for many hours. I don't know how this proves your point, I already said he'll probably be in his worst condition in the end. Saying he'd be knocked out if it weren't for them is no indication of what his endurance and physical capabilities are right now. The hormones just removed the fatigue from his ordeal not healing his body from any physical wounds to speak of. With the fatigue out of the way, Luffy should be relatively in top condition. Also an hour or two WOULD make a difference, everyone can eat some marine rations and recharge their strength.
All Ivankov did was essentially pump Luffy full of adrenaline so he'd be able to go on in spite of all the damage done to him throughout his break-in of Impel Down. Just because it can be ignored doesn't mean the damage is gone so no way Luffy is in top form.
To a lesser extent with Ivankov himself.
Unless Kuma removes his fatigue. (wishful thinking)
It is unlikely, but so was a reunion, especially after Kuma stated they wouldn't meet again.
Again, removing the fatigue doesn't undo the actual damage done to his body. It's all there even though any strain that should have come as a result was removed with the Pain Paw.
That's why when we see Luffy after the whole situation with Kuma he's got bandages and such on still.
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All Ivankov did was essentially pump Luffy full of adrenaline so he'd be able to go on in spite of all the damage done to him throughout his break-in of Impel Down. Just because it can be ignored doesn't mean the damage is gone.
To a lesser extent with Ivankov himself.
Again, removing the fatigue doesn't undo the actual damage done to his body. It's all there even though any strain that should have come as a result was removed with the Pain Paw.
That's why when we see Luffy after the whole situation with Kuma he's got bandages and such on still.
What damage? The only major damage Luffy took was the poisoning which was recovered from. Luffy wasn't hurt after recovering, he was just tired and the hormones removed the effects of the fatigue.
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That's why when we see Luffy after the whole situation with Kuma he's got bandages and such on still.
That's true, but Luffy isn't completely on empty. We have seen him recover from ridiculous wounds in no time as long as he gets some meat. Much like Zoro with naps. Still, all that did was restore his body. He still had the major fatigue, which Ivankov took care of, so he is still far from peak condition and is in for a major crash afterward.
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Man, someone should of made a plastic shank out of Luffy in Impel Down. ='(
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=brennen.exe]That's true, but Luffy isn't completely on empty. We have seen him recover from ridiculous wounds in no time as long as he gets some meat. Much like Zoro with naps. Still, all that did was restore his body. He still had the major fatigue, which Ivankov took care of, so he is still far from peak condition and is in for a major crash afterward.
Remember though that we saw Luffy eat a lot before heading to level 6 with Ivankov and Inazuma and he still was worn out enough to barely stand when usually eating would work instantly. That's why he needed the Vigour Hormones in the first place.
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What damage? The only major damage Luffy took was the poisoning which was recovered from. Luffy wasn't hurt after recovering, he was just tired and the hormones removed the effects of the fatigue.
Seven hours at minimum of constantly running around and fighting from first entering Impel Down to being beaten by Magellan at level 4. Then almost right after that there was 20 hours of constant destruction and reconstruction of cells within his body so he can be rid of the poison. Right after that it was around 3-4 hours of more fighting and running around to level 6 until they managed to escape Impel Down.
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That's true, but Luffy isn't completely on empty. We have seen him recover from ridiculous wounds in no time as long as he gets some meat. Much like Zoro with naps. Still, all that did was restore his body. He still had the major fatigue, which Ivankov took care of, so he is still far from peak condition and is in for a major crash afterward.
Oh yeah, that's another point I forgot, Luffy's great at damage recovery. H got gutted by Crocodile but was still in peak form in round 2 as well as the damage from Lucci yet he was able to stand for Merry's funeral after. Whilst the hormones are in effect, his body should be recovering naturally as well. he'll still be totally wasted after the hormones run out though.
Remember though that we saw Luffy eat a lot before heading to level 6 with Ivankov and Inazuma and he still was all wobbly when usually eating would work instantly. That's why he needed the Vigour Hormones in the first place.
Seven hours at minimum of constantly running around and fighting from first entering Impel Down to being beaten by Magellan at level 4. 20 hours of constant destruction and reconstruction of cells within his body so he can be rid of the poison.
All you mentioned is related to fatigue which the hormones took away. His body itself is in mint condition.
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Remember though that we saw Luffy eat a lot before heading to level 6 with Ivankov and Inazuma and he still was worn out enough to barely stand when usually eating would work instantly. That's why he needed the Vigour Hormones in the first place.
Oy, oy! That's what I just said! o/
@Thousand:
He got gutted by Crocodile but was still in peak form in round 2 as well as the damage from Lucci yet he was able to stand for Merry's funeral after.
Noooot quite. Luffy was still full of holes in round 2, and he slept for days after Lucci.
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So Luffy's basically running on empty.
I don't mean literally, he's not a car.
@Thousand:
Oh yeah, that's another point I forgot, Luffy's great at damage recovery. H got gutted by Crocodile but was still in peak form in round 2 as well as the damage from Lucci yet he was able to stand for Merry's funeral after. Whilst the hormones are in effect, his body should be recovering naturally as well. he'll still be totally wasted after the hormones run out though.
You do know that between rounds 2 & 3 with Crocodile that the wound from round 1 took its toll on Luffy and he ended up knocked out for a little bit and fell asleep while looking for him right.
All you mentioned is related to fatigue which the hormones took away. His body itself is in mint condition.
You're joking right.
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You're joking right.
I think the point he is trying to make, which is mostly true, is that Luffy is currently in good "fighting" condition. He is physically capable of fighting normally right now, and shouldn't show signs of wear, tear, or fatigue in the current battle. Afterward is another story…
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So Luffy's basically running on empty.
I don't mean literally, he's not a car.
You do know that between rounds 2 & 3 with Crocodile that the wound from round 1 took its toll on Luffy and he ended up knocked out for a little bit and fell asleep while looking for him right.
You do realize a normal person wouldn't have been able to fight Crocodile at all with those injuries let alone to the extent Luffy did in round 3:/ Hence my point.
You're joking right.
Hardly, Luffy was tired because of the pain he went through to recover tiring out his brain making him want to sleep not to mention his muscles and joints aching all over. The adrenalin charges up his brain and allows it to ignore the pain of his muscles. With those gone, he has no damage to speak of. I mean most of his muscles are brand new.
I think the point he is trying to make, which is mostly true, is that Luffy is currently in good "fighting" condition. He is physically capable of fighting normally right now, and shouldn't show signs of wear, tear, or fatigue in the current battle. Afterward is another story…
Yes, thank you brennen:) I definitely think he'll be in his worst state ever after the hormones run out but that's for after the war.
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@Thousand:
The adrenaline charges up his brain and allows it to ignore the pain of his muscles.
For some reason, this just came to mind…
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I think the point he is trying to make, which is mostly true, is that Luffy is currently in good "fighting" condition. He is physically capable of fighting normally right now, and shouldn't show signs of wear, tear, or fatigue in the current battle. Afterward is another story…
That wasn't it unfortunately.
Either way Luffy's not gonna be able to take out a big player as he is right now. Even though subtlety isn't something Luffy is known for, especially after the entrance they've made, if he can manage to get to Ace without fighting anyone it would be ideal for him.
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That wasn't it unfortunately.
Either way Luffy's not gonna be able to take out a big player as he is right now. Even though subtlety isn't something Luffy is known for, especially after the entrance they've made, if he can manage to get to Ace without fighting anyone it would be ideal for him.
Meh, I think he's strong enough to fight AT MOST a vice-admiral but after that fight he'd be spent. I expect a lot of hit and runs really.
Also, that was my point:/
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@Thousand:
Meh, I think he's strong enough to fight AT LEAST a vice-admiral but after that fight he'd be spent. I expect a lot of hit and runs really.
The phrase you're looking for is "at the most".
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The phrase you're looking for is "at the most".
Oh shit, actually you're right that's what I meant. My goof:(
Edited.
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Either way Luffy's not gonna be able to take out a big player as he is right now.
Of course. That's probably due more to his personal shortcomings than his current condition though. Anyway, I think the important thing to keep in mind is that once Luffy runs out of energy he will be, for the most part, out of commission for a few days. Now, while he has the "adrenaline rush" to keep him going for 24 hours, that doesn't mean he will have energy for 24 hours. Meaning, basically, if he gets into a serious fight he will use up all the energy he has (From Ivankov) and will not be able to leave the battlefield. At least, logically that is what would happen. So yeah, his best bet is to avoid fights entirely. We know that probably won't happen (fodder Marine), but he should avoid major fights. (VA's, Warlord's, etc).
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Indeed. As I said earlier, I think a fight with a VA in marineford would finish him off.
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How about a fight with Smoker? Smoker's probably VA level and it would be a fitting final fight for Luffy save for a fight with another Shickibukai.
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Smoker would defeat Luffy easily right now. That wouldn't be a fight, it'd be a massacre.
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If Luffy encountered Smoker he'd probably run away or otherwise avoid him again, since he knows that he can't harm him at all.
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Smoker would defeat Luffy easily right now. That wouldn't be a fight, it'd be a massacre.
I'm sorry but this makes no sense:/ You say he MIGHT be able to handle a VA yet say he has no chance against Smoker? What is Smoker then, an Admiral level? I think that at this stage, Luffy can take on Smoker. It's not Logue Town anymore, Luffy's gotten much stronger.
As for how Luffy can hurt him, don't make me use the H word:/ Besides, there's plenty of ocean around too.