Calm down, please, Lurker. No need for excessive capitalization here. I think he did a fine job with the translation, even if it does lack the polish and pomp Stephen's have.
Please, don't be ungrateful. It's still a translation, right?
Calm down, please, Lurker. No need for excessive capitalization here. I think he did a fine job with the translation, even if it does lack the polish and pomp Stephen's have.
Please, don't be ungrateful. It's still a translation, right?
Originally posted by hanlesky@Jul 14 2005, 04:53 PM
I think if buster celll is a laser then luffy can use it to bounce back the laser and utlimatily destroy the ennes lobby and lucci.
only if its a laser
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this kid is a GENIUS.
Hmmm, I dunno. Can rubber deflect laser beams?
_Originally posted by Lurker+Jul 14 2005, 02:27 PM–>QUOTE(Lurker @ Jul 14 2005, 02:27 PM)I SERIOUSLY NEED ANOTHER TRANSLATION. THE ONE IN THE FIRST POST REEKS OF INTERNET SPEAK! PLEASE!
[snapback]89293[/snapback]you can wait a few more days until stephen releases his translation, if you're looking for that kind of a translation, but please appreciate the effort of someone who's nice enough to speed-translate this chapter AND host it. ocean should be releasing his anytime soon, if he hasnt already, but no need to be rude to sato.
@Jul 14 2005, 02:37 PM
Hmmm, I dunno. Can rubber deflect laser beams?
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if it can, then we'll have a rubber X wing. and rubber millenium falcon. :lol: :lol:
btw, my last post wasn't sarcastic in anyway. And neither was the previous statement or this one.
SogeKing ROX MAI worlt. Again!
But I still don't get one thing: Is Blueno's ability to create a door out of thin air connected to his Rokushiki?
I don't think so, it wasn't specified as such. Lucci said it was the "true power" of the Doa Doa fruit or something.
Ah, okay.
Sanji and SogeKing would have to meet with the other StrawHats first, if they want to proceed!
Tekkai=Not invincible. You rock, Sanji!
Originally posted by changsho@Jul 14 2005, 02:46 PM
But I still don't get one thing: Is Blueno's ability to create a door out of thin air connected to his Rokushiki?
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Nope. But his Devil Fruit in conjunction with Rokushiki can let him do some pretty slick stuff, as we've seen here :lol:
Yeah. Warping to someone's back and then doing Shigan would almost mean instant kill. Wicked!
But I think in order to use the DF power, Blueno needs assistance. After he becomes the "door", someone would have to push him, right?
Originally posted by omae no kaasan v.2+Jul 14 2005, 03:44 PM–>QUOTE(omae no kaasan v.2 @ Jul 14 2005, 03:44 PM) _> So they destroyed the ships and blamed it on her?
He hasn't said that. Just that the Buster Call is what Robin is running from because it had the power to tear an entire island to bits. As a Buster Call is an assembly of Marine ships, I imagine that would account for the 6 ships being destroyed at once.
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Kinai.
Originally posted by Battle Franky@Jul 14 2005, 11:03 PM
****> WHAT IF THE GOVERNMENT DECIDED TO SPARE NICO ROBIN'S LIFE IN THE FIRST PLACE? we all now know that buster call screwed up the whole ohara clan, but what if the govt think it would be a good idea to let someone alive, preferably a child, since they are easier to manipulate, and use the child to their advantage? if they can get the child to work for them, they can get the ancient weapon and end the age of piracy.[snapback]89267[/snapback]**
I like it. The Eradication of an entire civilisation of people who were the only ones who could understand and read the 'ancient text'. Thus ruling out any chance of any other dangerous people(s) like Roger to ever study & learn something, that could bring ruin on the WG & the entire world, ever again!
But!!!! before they killed them all, they took an orphan child of the recently extinct people, manipulated her, confined her and made her do their bidding. So only the WG could ever attempt to raise the weapons.
DAMN THAT'S EVIL!!! :P
[snapback]89274[/snapback]**I don t think that it would be as complicated.
Kinai._
this arc is def one of the big turning points in the entire series..b/c if luffy and crew arrive there, they'll prob annihilate the place…and if i remember correctly, the marine hq is close to there...O___O
Strangely enough, I think that it would be as complicated, if not more.
Seeing SogeKing pwned breaks my heart, but I still love his lines!!
Originally posted by Kinai@Jul 14 2005, 05:45 PM
**Was the Buster Call used after or before that Robin destroyed the ships??Kinai.
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The ships that were destroyed were probably the buster call warships themselves. Otherwise it wouldn't be such a big deal..
"High noon at Eneas Lobby", that'll probably be the title of some of the next chapters. Damn, Oda'll make Sam Peckinpah and Sergio Leone proud. I can already see those episodes in the anime: the Strawhats marching towards Eneas Lobby in a straight line (just like they did in Arlong Park), sun high in the sky, sweat pouring down from their faces, Ennio Morricone's music playing in the background, their long shadows covering the huge doors of Eneas Lobby, and then… blood will run in rivers. "Luffy! You know what you are? You're just a lousy son of a bi... WHOOEEOOOEEEOO WAH WAH WAH!" Those will be the last words of Rob Lucci, interupted by Morricone's theme from "The good, the bad and the ugly". And then the Straw Hats will set sail on their new ship, leaving Eneas Lobby in ruins...
Originally posted by changsho@Jul 15 2005, 12:48 AM
**Strangely enough, I think that it would be as complicated, if not more.Seeing SogeKing pwned breaks my heart, but I still love his lines!!
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Pwned??? :blink:
Kinai.
It's derived from "owned", which means getting the ass kicked. In this case, Blueno pwned SogeKing.
NOT!! He managed to deliver a shattering speech, something not even the CP9 can deflect!
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Usopp. Sanji. Augh. I thought I loved you before. AUGH. My heart is BREAKING.
Um, the luv increased? :P
_Originally posted by e1n+Jul 14 2005, 10:41 PM–>QUOTE(e1n @ Jul 14 2005, 10:41 PM)WHAT IF THE GOVERNMENT DECIDED TO SPARE NICO ROBIN'S LIFE IN THE FIRST PLACE? we all now know that buster call screwed up the whole ohara clan, but what if the govt think it would be a good idea to let someone alive, preferably a child, since they are easier to manipulate, and use the child to their advantage? if they can get the child to work for them, they can get the ancient weapon and end the age of piracy.
I dont think that it can be because:
We know that Gol D. Roger was executed 22 years ago. And Nico Robin was born 28 years ago. So she was 6 years old when Roger died.
Two year later she destroyed the 6 ships, and got a 79.000.000 reward.
It is 8 years before that Spandam talked about get the blueprints (Chapter 355, pag. 175).
Supposed that before of this the order was destroyed all the information about the ancient weapons. This could explain the attack to the ohara clan. Nico Robin could try to defend herself and destroyed the ships so the government could get her (remember that she said that was ran away since then), or Nico Robin destroyed the ships and they called the BC to get her, but her escaped and saw how they destroyed all her clan.@Jul 14 2005, 11:08 PM
okie…. since when laser is bludgeoning? rofl ;)
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_Is it piercing?? :huh:
Kinai._
_Originally posted by Kinai+Jul 14 2005, 03:45 PM–>QUOTE(Kinai @ Jul 14 2005, 03:45 PM)__I don t think that it would be as complicated.
[snapback]89348[/snapback]why not? things got quite complicated in alabasta, with 5 different arcs leading into one, tons of conspiracy and whatnot. this one's bound to be BIGGER than that, since it now involves the world government.
governments are always well-associated with conspiracies. :lol:
Originally posted by Kinai@Jul 14 2005, 04:51 PM
**WHAT IF THE GOVERNMENT DECIDED TO SPARE NICO ROBIN'S LIFE IN THE FIRST PLACE? we all now know that buster call screwed up the whole ohara clan, but what if the govt think it would be a good idea to let someone alive, preferably a child, since they are easier to manipulate, and use the child to their advantage? if they can get the child to work for them, they can get the ancient weapon and end the age of piracy.I dont think that it can be because:
We know that Gol D. Roger was executed 22 years ago. And Nico Robin was born 28 years ago. So she was 6 years old when Roger died.
Two year later she destroyed the 6 ships, and got a 79.000.000 reward.
It is 8 years before that Spandam talked about get the blueprints (Chapter 355, pag. 175).
Supposed that before of this the order was destroyed all the information about the ancient weapons. This could explain the attack to the ohara clan. Nico Robin could try to defend herself and destroyed the ships so the government could get her (remember that she said that was ran away since then), or Nico Robin destroyed the ships and they called the BC to get her, but her escaped and saw how they destroyed all her clan.
[snapback]89378[/snapback]**kinai, don't double post, please. i can't always merge your posts all the time ^^;
about the speculation, it's just a theory of mine. think of it this way: gold roger got his hands on the ancient weapon and managed to revive it because he speaks the ancient language. for some reason that we don't know at the moment, he did not use it and the marines captured him (either that or he surrendered himself, simply because he has fulfilled his life goal to conquer grandline, but that's jumping to conclusions). then roger said "blah blah blah wealth fame power blah blah blah one piece" so that the entire world knows about this one piece stuff, which i assumed to be the ancient weapon.
now, the government, i presume, found out about this ancient weapon after they captured roger, but they couldn't revive it because none of them knew the ancient languange, so after they executed roger, they did some intelligence research and found out that the ohara clan knew the language. the govt paid a visit to the clan, who probably refused to help, and then the govt thought, hey, if they dont wanna help us, lets make sure they dont help anyone else and fuck us over. so they destroyed the clan.
THAT is my guess on why the ohara clan was destroyed.
as for why nico robin got 79M beri bounty when she was 8, there are two possibilities:
1. she's the only survivor of the clan and she knows the languange and the government are afraid she could revive the weapon by joining some pirate group. i don't think she could have destroyed the 6 or 8 battleships she was rumored to have done, even with her hanahana no mi. i think it's just something the govt made up to justify the high bounty. see, this way they dont have to actually say that the bounty was because she knows the ancient language, because then the more critical people in the grandline would ask "what's the ancient language? why is it dangerous?"
2. government is still sticking to their plan to revive the ancient weapon and spared her life, thinking that they can manipulate her into working for them because she's a mere 8-year old. but then she escaped and the govt freaked out because a pirate group could find her and revive the ancient weapon before them, and hence the bounty.
and just to openly address my stance, i think pluton and the ancient weapon are TWO ENTIRELY DIFFERENT THINGS. my guess is that some ancient people made this ancient weapon because they are, obviously, ancient, and some other more creative ancient people who didn't like the ancient people who built the ancient weapon, built another weapon and called it PLUTON as a countermeasure just in case the first group of ancient people decided to mess around with their ancient weapon.
now i could be wrong, but POSEIDON might be the name of this ancient weapon we've been having a fuss over. if not, then we'd have three different weapons and OP could go on forever._
Ok. I promise that I am not going to double post, if you tell me what is double post. Because I dont know what you mean with this. :unsure:
On the other hand:
My theory:
Something happen a lot of years ago. One world power built a super-weapon and others built a replica. Then happened a great war that ended the Age of Heaven and began the Age of Sea.
Somebody, perhaps who won the war, perhaps who lost the war, built and wrote the Phoneglyphs. At the same time the blueprints began to be passed from a master shipwright to the next, just in case.
Everything was a legend until that Gol D. Roger found and read the Phoneglyphs. This knowledge was that allowed him to be the first Pirate king.
After executed him the world government began to destroy every clue about Phoneglyps, attack to the ohara clan. But twelve years ago the government policy change, and now they tried to get the weapon.
If dragon is really a “revolutionaryâ€? (vol.16,chap. 142, page. 114) , he must be interested that the government doesnâ€t get the ancient weapon. But I think that there is something more here.
What is the meaning of “the will of “D��?? (vol.17,chap. 154, page. 174)
But I can be all wrong. ;)
P.S: Gol D. Roger didnt say that his treasure was called One Piece, and I think that there are two acient weapons: Pluton and Poseidon.
Originally posted by Kinai@Jul 14 2005, 05:15 PM
Ok. I promise that I am not going to double post, if you tell me what is double post. Because I dont know what you mean with this. :unsure:
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double posting is when you make TWO REPLIES right after another. usually this resulted in two CONSECUTIVE posts from the same member, which in this case would be you. if you need to quote, you can always use the quote tag and just copy paste the sentences. replying is not the only way to quote someone.
Originally posted by omae no kaasan v.2@Jul 14 2005, 02:29 PM
**I LOVE YOU ODA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!HOW ELSE WOULD IT POSSIBLE TO DESTROY THAT MANY SHIPS OTHER THAN A BUSTER CALL AND WHY COULD IT HAVE MADE ROBIN FEEL SO PASSIONATE ABOUT HER CHOICE!!!??? NOW IT ALL MAKES SENSE!!! ODA IS THE GREAT STORYTELLER OF OUR TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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quoted and subscribed!
it's great. so great it's the thing that robin feels pain for peoples of the island and for this she don't want another buster call…
other thing.
if only robin destroyed a lot of ship, all strawhat crew what can destroy? :D
@ e1n: Do I read it right that you think that there is only just one Ancient Weapon and no other?
I wonder why is Oda trying to make pirates look like good guys while the WG are bad guys? It seems that Roger is actully a villian while the WG look like if they are trying to play hero, I think Oda is messing with our mind.
Uless the Ohara clan are not all intersted in the weapeon, the WG seems to want to terminate everything they think is bad, but if it's for the weapeon, why not use them to find the weapeons and destory them? If it's for the "safty of the world" then Roger is to blame for strating the pirate age, if Roger is the part of the Ohara clan then the pirate age is all about the Ohara thing.
Rigth now, Oda is giving us a blurry picture of the WG, make them look bad but it seems that they are lukewarm, it seems the good is figthing the good, if Oda intend to make the WG evil, he should at least say that the WG has a dirty secret written on the phoneglyph and the WG don't want the Ohara to know. If Oda want to say the WG are actully trying to take over the world and rule it with the iron fist, he should make that clear. It seems that Oda don't know what to put the WG in.
Luffy is going to be a pirate king, since pirates are bad, does Luffy wants to be a bad guy? Clearly it seems Luffy though if he was pirate king, all pirate would become good or restore them, I think being pirate king is not all there.
Originally posted by Ivotas@Jul 14 2005, 05:34 PM
@ e1n: Do I read it right that you think that there is only just one Ancient Weapon and no other?
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well, i guess you can think of it that way. what i'm saying is that the ANCIENT WEAPON that everyone's been talking about is NOT pluton. pluton is a countermeasure of the ancient weapon. now, how ancient pluton is, i have no idea. but i dare to wager a dozen donuts that the pluton that crocodile was seeking is NOT the ancient weapon that robin has been said to be able to revive.
now, whether or not the ancient weapon and poseidon are the same thing, that i don't know. nor have any clues such as to make guess.
1. What's Yokozuna up to? A lot of people expected him to come back, and i get that he just plain likes dueling the train, but in terms of progressing the story. Maybe he'll stop the Rocket Man, realize his error, and carry the crew to Eneas Lobby and body-block the Puffing Tom at last (maybe with Franky to help push?!?)
What could piss me off is Yokozuna. Surely a group like that can take care of it. I mean, Zoro alone sliced train cars and beat T-Bone, while moving.
What's Yokozuna doing with his arms/legs/flippers!? It's like the pose Kokoro's doing on the vol.38 cover. What exactly does that mean?
i think he's trying to hitch a ride, instead of stopping the rocketman.
That is, if Rocketman can get past Yokozuna.
And I do think that Yokozuna wants to help instead of hurt. But I'm curious why he didn't stand off against Puffing Tom….
Guys did it ever cross your mind that:
A - The Rocketman keeps increasing speed.
B - There're no brakes.
C - It is going to utterly crash in Eneas Lobby at an humongous velocity, killing everyone on it.
Yokozuna is EXACTLY there to stop it, their chances of survival if the train doesn't slow down are 0%. So for once he's gonna made it and at least slow down the train (I have no idea about how he's gonna do it, but there's no other way to not self destruct arriving at Eneas Lobby).
You do realize it's just as likely to just splatter her ass, right?
will of D? Anyone know how many "D"s there are? Gold D. ROger, Monkey D. Luffy, Portgas D. Ace, and Masuru D. Chocheh anyone else?
…Masuru D. Choceh? It's Marshall D Teach.
Slowing down the train before Puffing Tom or the lobby is in sight doesn't sound so good. That is, if nailing the frog can even slow it. Or if the people on board even let it.
Originally posted by joekido the Second@Jul 14 2005, 05:41 PM
**I wonder why is Oda trying to make pirates look like good guys while the WG are bad guys? It seems that Roger is actully a villian while the WG look like if they are trying to play hero, I think Oda is messing with our mind.Uless the Ohara clan are not all intersted in the weapeon, the WG seems to want to terminate everything they think is bad, but if it's for the weapeon, why not use them to find the weapeons and destory them? If it's for the "safty of the world" then Roger is to blame for strating the pirate age, if Roger is the part of the Ohara clan then the pirate age is all about the Ohara thing.
Rigth now, Oda is giving us a blurry picture of the WG, make them look bad but it seems that they are lukewarm, it seems the good is figthing the good, if Oda intend to make the WG evil, he should at least say that the WG has a dirty secret written on the phoneglyph and the WG don't want the Ohara to know. If Oda want to say the WG are actully trying to take over the world and rule it with the iron fist, he should make that clear. It seems that Oda don't know what to put the WG in.
Luffy is going to be a pirate king, since pirates are bad, does Luffy wants to be a bad guy? Clearly it seems Luffy though if he was pirate king, all pirate would become good or restore them, I think being pirate king is not all there.
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In some way you're right, since that's the majority of what we've seen so far - but also keep in mind that Oda's shown us the good and bad people on BOTH sides, not just keeping the pirates good and the government/marines the bad guys. You've got the Straw Hats as good pirates - pretty much everyone he's beaten up as bad - and on the other side you've got the nobler crew like Smoker and Tashigi while also giving us CP9. Personally I don't think it's going to be a showdown between the pirates and the govt/marines so much as it'll be a clash of the noble and wicked on both sides…
Masuru D. Choceh is the name of black beard captian check page 19 Chapter 234
Originally posted by Cap'n Carter@Jul 14 2005, 07:55 PM
You do realize it's just as likely to just splatter her ass, right?
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I do: "(I have no idea about how he's gonna do it, but there's no other way to not self destruct arriving at Eneas Lobby)"
But how else can they stop in time to not crash? The fact the frog was reintroduced right now (especially since they're not that far from Eneas Lobby, they're going quicker than Puffing Tom, they should almost be there too) is what makes me think he's gonna make it. It wouldn't be the first time that Oda makes something apparently impossible happen (see the WHOLE Skypiea arc…).
Originally posted by dudeinthewater@Jul 14 2005, 06:01 PM
Masuru D. Choceh is the name of black beard captian check page 19 Chapter 234
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That was back in the day when NULL sucked. :lol: I don't have the raw with me but iirc the katakana was something like マーシュルD.ティーチ. Although I know 151 just came out; if someone has a screen of where it showed Teach's profile then that'd be a dead giveaway.
_Originally posted by dudeinthewater+Jul 14 2005, 09:01 PM–>QUOTE(dudeinthewater @ Jul 14 2005, 09:01 PM)Masuru D. Choceh is the name of black beard captian check page 19 Chapter 234
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@Jul 14 2005, 09:04 PM
That was back in the day when NULL sucked. :lol: I don't have the raw with me but iirc the katakana was something like マーシュルD.ティーチ. Although I know 151 just came out; if someone has a screen of where it showed Teach's profile then that'd be a dead giveaway.
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:D oh i see
For Carly:
Would you believe that ? I was a ya off. :lol: Thanks dude.
Originally posted by e1n+Jul 14 2005, 06:46 PM–>QUOTE(e1n @ Jul 14 2005, 06:46 PM)
This may sound strange, but Miss Goldenweek's disguise is for some reason reminding me of the Hamburglar.
Reminds me of Ronald himself.
In all the chapter craze, I forgot about it. Goldenweek and 5 look awesome. Valentine's clothes are like something Robin would wear.
Poor Mr. 5… he's going undercover as a gay cowboy.
Goldenweek looks awesome. And Goldenweek... :lol:
No, she looks like Little Orphan Annie
Yeah, if Little Orphan Annie suddenly got hit with 10,000v of electricity. :lol:
This is an incredible arc, I dont know how Oda Does this, he is indeed a story telling genius. I am curious how possibly the next arc will top this one at all >_>
*Blueno owns XD
Originally posted by e1n+Jul 15 2005, 02:46 AM–>QUOTE(e1n @ Jul 15 2005, 02:46 AM)
how will they beat cp9 …
ck ck ck
Originally posted by dewagila@Jul 15 2005, 03:54 AM
**how will they beat cp9 …ck ck ck
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How it was said: dat dis de kuestion. :P
But Oda already gave a few clues: This chapter when "tekkai almost failed" and before when Luffy and Zoro made a hole in the Aqua Laguna. It is clear that Luffy and Zoro could defear Tekkai.
Kinai.