if you want reference material, you have the whole goddamn internet
Do you have a passion that you want to pursue as a Career
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Hmm… Well, check out the books by Burne Hogarth. They are every detailed, and you would need to read a bit to apply the terminologies as you draw(just looking at ythe pictures could leave you confused, and you'd be missing out). While you my be able to copy the poses,in the end you would evantually need to practice doing them on your own. Like if you were to draw a human body in life. If you know about anatomy and forshortoing, you can get the basic structure, though that varies on the complexity of the actual pose(the more you know, the better). One of Andrew Loomis's books breaks down a useful techinqiue called the "manakin frame". I'm still learning how to do this myself, so I can't comment much on it.
To further your practices, draw models in life. If you can't afford that and want something free, use posemainiacs.com. If you are cheap and looking for something a bit better than posemaniacs try: http://www.cloudstars.com/ (have not gotten some yet, but I heard they are very good.) If none of the above works, look at photographs or something…(not the best kinf of advice XP)
You can download the free Andrew Loomis books here, or stream them. http://www.placidchaos.com/AM/index.php/2006/02/21/andrew_loomis
You can find the Burne Hogarth books too, but you did not hear that from me >> <<
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I like books. Especially when I go back to BFE where I don't have the goddamn internet.
I'll leave this thread alone now, if anyone else has anything to say take to to PM.
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Hmm… Well, check out the books by Burne Hogarth. They are every detailed, and you would need to read a bit to apply the terminologies as you draw(just looking at you pictures could leave you confused, and you'd be missing out). While you my be able to copy the poses,in the end you would evantually need to practice doing them on your own. Like if you were to draw a human body in life. If you know about anatomy and forshortoing, you can get the basic structure, though that varies on the complexity of the actual pose(the more you know, the better). One of Andrew Loomis's books breaks down a useful techinqiue called the "manakin frame". I'm still learning how to do this myself, so I can't comment much on it.
To further your practices, draw models in life. If you can't afford that and want something free, use posemainiacs.com. If you are cheap and looking for something a bit better than posemaniacs try: http://www.cloudstars.com/ (have not gotten some yet, but I heard they are very good.)
You can download the free Andrew Loomis books here, or stream them. http://www.placidchaos.com/AM/index.php/2006/02/21/andrew_loomis
You can find the Burne Hogarth books too, but you did not hear that from me >> <<
THANK YOU. I appreciate it.
This was all I was asking for, people :P
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THANK YOU. I appreciate it.
This was all I was asking for, people :P
too bad it's on the internet
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THANK YOU. I appreciate it.
This was all I was asking for, people :P
Too bad you didn't bother to READ that I had given you a place with nothing but reference material. I given you many examples on what to do for your reference. Andrew Loomis has a bunch of books, all free. Which can be found at conceptart.org if you've even bothered to look on there you would of found all the help you need to start. If you don't have a printer at home, there are many librarys that HAVE those very same books.
http://conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=131116
You don't even have to join, it's just listed for all the free legal art books.
If you don't like words, or reading, then ignore the words, pretty damn simple if you ask me.
I may have been rude, but really, I gave stuff. Just try it out, it's doable, gives images of various muscles, bone structures, flesh, etc. It's perfectly fine to use.
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Oh I'm really sorry I didn't thank you for posting that site either!!!
I checked it out briefly (I mean like 5 minutes) but I had to return to dial-up land, but now I'm checking it out again, it does look rather useful and interesting. Much better then anything I've seen online (DA really shouldn't count because… it just doesn't).
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You guys also forgot one seriously important skill, TO READ.
I am looking for a REFERENCE book on ANATOMY that possibly breaks it down into bone to muscle to skin, as a way to reference the structure.
Do you really think I'm stupidly asking for a magical wizard book that is going to magically show me how to draw? You can't really learn, you just practice and do it. If this wasn't the retardweb I'd be slightly offended.
What? You've never seen people grid shit and draw it? (besides for resizing purposes)
That's how over the years we were expected to draw things, just be lazy and grid it and NOT learn anatomy/details on… whatever it is we were drawing.
And in those critical times when I COULD have been practicing anatomy I was in a slump where I didn't do much of anything let alone draw. So I'm going to rectify it now. Because that gridding shit is really not going to get you anywhere. I also know a great deal on color theory and oil painting/colored pencil, I'm practicing to DRAW decent people so that I actually have something to color that isn't just.... horses. Or cactus.
Was just wondering if anyone had found a useful book or tool over the years with good REAL human references that also included the bones and muscles that WASN'T just a bigass book DESCRIBING the human body with maybe 5 pictures in it. My ultimate goal is to be able to build my own poses and figures correctly from scratch.
I'm a failed artist and even I never made these excuses, think about that.
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GAWSH! I JUST WANNA READ AND NOT DRAW!
Hmm, maybe this career isn't for you???
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I didn't say anything about reading about the body, my post specifically said I DIDN'T want to read about the body. A lot of the anatomy books are health resources, and not artistic ones.
But we've solved this problem. And I never gave any excuses, and I said being lazy and not perusing it farther wasn't an excuse and I was trying to rectify the situation.
Why can't you read before you point out stupid shit like that? I've also other extenuating circumstances, not directly pertaining to art though but that affects a lot of it, that I won't even go into because no one is going to pay attention or care so it's kind of pointless. Like this argument.
This is what I was reffering to about the hate part of art, is some people have that stick so far up their ass its in their brain they don't stop and think before they hate on someone they think is lazy or just doesn't care about their art when it's not really the case.
There are loads of people who don't give the effort it needs to succeed and they're going to fail. Duh. Let them fail or help em out, there isn't any need to rub it in people's faces. They're gonna suffer enough when they can't make it doing what they love, or they really didn't like it and they're going to find something else and do whatever.
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You want to memorize anatomy by looking at pictures of it in books, and you have continually rebuffed actual college level art advice from people telling you to just draw some fuckin' bodies and forget about some sort of fantastical knowledge level of memorization and memorize it in your hand, which is what art is all about.
You're approaching this like some concrete mental field rather then a physical one. Which is a pretty big sign this ain't for you.Your excuses are your wheedling away from everyone telling you to just fucking draw it, just do it, you want to dick around in "alternative" methods rather then just sit your ass down and draw.
And don't "circumstances" at us when your advocating buying extra material like big coffee table books and we're telling you to use shit you don't even need to pay for, real life.
This is what I was reffering to about the hate part of art, is some people have that stick so far up their ass its in their brain they don't stop and think before they hate on someone they think is lazy or just doesn't care about their art when it's not really the case.
No what you did was go off on some vague "grrr elitists" rant that never identified any actual offender. This is entirely unrelated to art and you might as well have said this about life in general.
If you're getting this upset about people criticizing your methods you won't survive art classes where nearly every piece you do goes up against critique.There are loads of people who don't give the effort it needs to succeed and they're going to fail. Duh. Let them fail or help em out, there isn't any need to rub it in people's faces.
Maybe they could use a good kick in the ass.
Especially the ones who won't stop blathering up excuses.They're gonna suffer enough when they can't make it doing what they love, or they really didn't like it and they're going to find something else and do whatever.
If this "BE NICE" bullshit is actually what you believe you better hope to high hell you never get the rough teachers in art school.
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arei, if you're going to come here asking for help, then you need to chill out a little
And I think my gifts are writing and drawing, but I can't stand to participate in them for more than an hour wihtout getting bored. I can, however, mess around in windows movie maker literally all day and have fun with it.
so maybe I'll go into film editing? maybe do commercials or music videos if I can't do cinema?
or maybe one day I'll actually get my shit together and sit down and write something worthwhile?
who knows.
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I was chilled out, there wasn't any need for the drama, but I got what I requested so I'm out.
It's not particularly the teachers I mind doing the asskicking, that's what the good ones do. It's everyone else I could do without.
I'm most likely not going to get far into the industry, not that I particularly care to. I mostly want to learn for myself, do some small freelancing on the side one day, do smaller designer work. I want my artwork the best it can be for myself, and for whatever I decide to do. Gee, is it bad it just makes me feel a bit better?
I understand the resources posted and I will use them. Avoiding the smartass replies would have avoided this whole argument. I've got to stop arguing on the interwebs it's totally not worth it.
I do appreciate the people who did put in input, I really do and I will use these resources.
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@DanialG:
Oh, and people wanting to do comics as a career. American comics are a lot different career wise. So you'll probably end up doing pencils for a different comic for DC or Marvel, rather than making money publishing your own. Most artists give up their own projects due to a time period. I have a friend who recently moved to California and got a job at Warner Brothers studio, but most of his personal projects are so far behind in updates he's pretty much come to a stop. This, is why most artists get a job in something unrelated in art, and freelance on the side. Another friend of mine(note that most of these are from conceptart) works at Blizzard, but he's pretty much deserted everything else. It's a busy career.
There are indie comic publishers like Image and Dark Horse, though, for those who wanna do their own books. Trick is, your shit needs to be good, and to impress. It needs to stand out. And getting your first work published, as I have learned, is a bitch. Hardest part of the business, by far, is your first contract. It gets progressively easier as you do more stuff, though.
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I'm 13, don't expect me to be absolutely sure of what I want to do.
For now it's school, I'm still wondering if I should get some sort of summer job (busting rocks with my head?). I have a lot of interests and hobbies, but none of them appeal that much to me, so that I would want to pursue them as a career. That sounds too serious.
I guess time will tell, when I come to my senses.
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Haha, so does anyone know anyone in the gaming industry to give me some good pointers on how the gaming business works?
I'm noticing to just start PROGRAMMING a game for wii, you have to buy their developmental library in C++, but it's rather costly. So I'm kinda wondering how the heck do you start? Should I make a game in Game Maker, sell it to raise money and then make a console version when I finally get enough? O_o
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Haha, so does anyone know anyone in the gaming industry to give me some good pointers on how the gaming business works?
I'm noticing to just start PROGRAMMING a game for wii, you have to buy their developmental library in C++, but it's rather costly. So I'm kinda wondering how the heck do you start? Should I make a game in Game Maker, sell it to raise money and then make a console version when I finally get enough? O_o
Can you program a simple 3-D model move? How about making a terrain and sky? Also, make sure you have a 3-D modeling program like Maya or something on the lines.
I may only know BASIC coding and not C++, but I suggest you create a simple demo with the programming language you are adept with, like a movable object and a terrain to move around on and start there. Add sound when the object moves. Make sure it's in a certain programming language
My friend got to visit the EA Games company and said that they told him in order for one to create a game and submit it, you have to have a lot of concept art of the game and a basic, playable demo of it, controls, music, sound and all.
So basically, you have to create a lot of official concept art for your game and have a playable demo of your game that has glitches and errors worked out and submit it to the company.
Sorry that's all I know so far and if this doesn't help, then…
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I can make games using Java but I haven't tried to make anything visual yet. I made a Black Jack game that I think is pretty cool but I'd like to have a UI with actual cards instead of a black screen with white text. I know some C++ but not as much as Java
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You are the man! I'd like to have my own company some day, but I guess I have to start somewhere…
Also, my first game I want to be 2-D, but in high quality, as 3D wouldn't be necessary. hm...
So there are 2 paths I can take, I can sell my entire game, or... I can take the risk on my own...
I think I might publish my own game first. for one, I don't have technology to even handle to what I want to make right now, so I think raising money to get the final product would be best.
Besides, I like the idea of taking my games to players and seeing what they think.
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I'm 13, don't expect me to be absolutely sure of what I want to do.
For now it's school, I'm still wondering if I should get some sort of summer job (busting rocks with my head?). I have a lot of interests and hobbies, but none of them appeal that much to me, so that I would want to pursue them as a career. That sounds too serious.
I guess time will tell, when I come to my senses.
I am the same age and i have my carrer staitend out for me
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Well not all of it lol
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I hope to God it doesn't involve spelling . Just kidding with you. What is it?
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just thought I'd post here for the hell of it.
At one time I really wanted to draw manga/comics… something like that. When I was young I always thought I wanted to draw Sonic the Hedgehog type comics (YES I KNOW they're gay Dx and horrible!!! I was like 13!!!) I've drawn for as long as I can remember and when I finally got into anime/manga type stuff, I really wanted to draw like that.
However, lately I just feel I don't know what to do. I do still want to draw comics but I don't feel anyone would ever pay for my artwork... at least the pessimist in me tells me this xD I don't really know what people think but I've always wanted a career in art of some kind.
Not like a teacher or a graphic designer but just in comics or art. I notice other people have like all the skills but for me... art has to LOOK interesting. There's a difference between people who can just DRAW and people who can bring their artwork to LIFE. I dunno if I explained that well but I'd like to be able to pull people in with my art and make them happy xD OH YES that sounds exceptionally gay! I'm just just good at explanations but I guess here's my point. I can look at someones art, I can tell they can draw and I can tell that it's good, but I can also look at someones artwork and tell that it's maybe not drawn as well but the art has more passion or more character... GOD I suck at explaining but I would LOVE to be that artist that someone looks at and says 'wow... I LOVE their artwork it's so full of LIFE!' or 'it's so unique!!' but I dunno if it'll ever happen xD
guess that's all... I just don't know how to get started. I really don't care for the Marvel/DC type style artwork/comics though the people who can draw like that wow amazing!! But I can't. I love anime/manga which I know most people professionally aren't keen on xD
ah well there's my life blurb. I guess I could ask if anyone has suggestions what I should do but I didn't want any sarcastic advice so I won't bug you guys about it xDD
btw not sure who said it but when did like 30k or 40k or even 80k a year become crappy income and worthless type pay O_________O I have NEVER worked a job where I even made 10K a year working full time plus over time... so that actually sounds like a fucking BLESSING PLEASE GIVE IT TO ME NOW type job Dx seriously... how is that BAD!???? maybe I'm just poor and pathetic but I'd take a 30k job o______________o I'd take a 20k job... even a 15K job
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At least you have some goals sis!! Sorry we live in the worst possible shithole for you to be able to expand and broaden your horizon art-wise! x_x;
Lemme see..guess I'll just post in here for sheer boredom's sake. Let see, I work at a grocery store make minimum wage, I've almost been there a year. I'm saving money to go to Fanime and Otakon next year, and half of what I'm saving I'm saving to move out. I don't know where exactly to move first, but ANYWHERE outside Oklahoma is a plus.
I don't have an goals minus that, I'm not a great artist, I don't know how to use the computer to it's fullest, I know I could learn, but I'm 26 years old.. some 12 year old knows more about PC's than I do, and chances are someone will hire people younger than me anyways. I don't desire to EVER profit from my artwork, I haven't since I was 6 years old, 20 years and no profit, not such a great goal xD I did at one point want to be an animator, an illustrator, hell, even a writer/voice actor. I thought I was pretty good at most of what I liked, but sadly when reality hits, dreams are dashed, and you realize that not EVERYONE can have these great jobs. I'm no where NEAR talented enough in any of the things I know how to do to make a living from them. I wish I could somehow just find a job I don't hate that pays pretty good so I could live on my own and support myself and my cosplaying/figure collecting/artwork buying hobbies.
To me right now, there's no light at the end of my tunnel. I feel lost and abandoned, and I feel like I'm in a huge huge giant pit of sand trying to dig my way out and getting no where. I think before I can even TRY to feel like I'm not trapped I need to move out and live on my own, hopefully with my sis. If I could put forth ALL my money to help my sis out I would, she actually IS talented and COULD make a living off her artwork unlike myself, I wish there was something I could do that would make it easier for her x_x;; She's been through soo much shit, I just want to be able to help her move out too, I want to help us both but mostly her!
I wish I did have some really awesome goals and dreams like you guys do, but it sucks I have to think realistically =_=;; If I could find a job making more than 10k a year, I'd be super freakin' happy. I'd like to slap/kick/punch/bite/deck whoever thinks 80k a year is 'chump change' because if you can tell me where these 'shitty' jobs are at, I'll be applying in a HEART BEAT O_O A FRIGGIN' HEART BEAT O_O
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80k a year isn't chump change, it's just not likely you'll make it in the concept art industry unless you work REALLY hard to get there.
You could go to a community college, most community colleges pay for your classes if you have 12 credits signed up. Pell Grants usually give out up to 5k if you're super poor. You'd just have to find the time to go.
Back to art, it's not a career you're likely to make a lot of money in, unless you make it big. Take multiple jobs, mooch off of the obsessed fans over at deviantart, because let me tell you, if you ask for commissions and you're really good, you'll make at least an extra $500 a week onto paypal.
It all depends on what field you're getting into. I was giving an EXAMPLE of concept art. Which I will most likely be working for a video game company(preferably blizzard, or arenanet, or sony). Concept artists make around 30-40k a year, 80k if you get lucky and they enjoy your work. This in no way says what the other art jobs will be. And 30-40k a year is not really a lot to raise a family, but this does not take into account if the wife or husband is working as well. A lot of companies are stationed in California, which is extremely expensive, so getting a house would be out of the question, without saving up money for a bunch of years.
I won't even be in an art job for like, another 8 years probably. I still have the rest of this year for Community College, and 4 years of Art school. After that it's freelance, which probably deal with children books, or posters, things of that sort.
Point is, you gotta work hard to get to the money.
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bronchitis is always telling me I should go back to school. And while, yes, I am all for that - seeing as I'm likely about to be laid off and apparently unemployment has some kind of college fund as long as it's for a trade - my idea of what I really want to do in life is very vague.
I'm good at a quite a lot of things. Namely editing, and I have a severely sharp eye for it. It's almost what I'm doing right now, except that it's spotting any errors that developers are doing for a site - not actual writing, not artwork of the kind that maybe I would like to edit. I'm so good at spotting errors in fact, that I've earned two nicknames - one from inshore which is eagle eye, and the other from offshore which is the Great Wall of China.
Again though, what I'm checking right now is not something that I want to continue editing for the rest of my life.
My passion, however, is world languages. I love randomly picking something new up, and looking through how the grammar works, and how words change through languages and their conjugations, and well, just about anything about languages. I love learning about them.
I just don't know how THAT can translate into a career or trade for myself.
And speaking of translations, going back to my geek side, a career in translating would be awesome. I don't think I'd even care what I was translating as long as it was a story of some kind and not some legal document crap.
I also love writing too though, but I'm not about to delude myself with that quite yet. So far, it's always been just a hobby.
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Interpreter, translator, stuff like that. Sounds exactly what I'd like to do . And yeah, I'd rather translate a story or book instead of a document :getlost: .
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Interpretating is not the same as translating.
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I wanna be a game designer. That's it.
But in about two weeks I gonna be a hobo. meh.
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Yes, I know. I might be wrong but isn't an interpreter like the middleman in a conversation between people who don't speak the same language? I meant those as two different options.
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@Kairouseki:
Yes, I know. I might be wrong but isn't an interpreter like the middleman in a conversation between people who don't speak the same language? I meant those as two different options.
Right.
I want to work in a writing/reading/paper median though. My listening and speaking skills aren't really what they should be, and I don't think it'll ever really improve unless I ever get a chance to really immerse myself in Japan (or anywhere else) for a long time.
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Yeah, I always found speaking the hardest part. Especially when you're being graded on it :getlost: . I didn't really do that well on my AP Spanish final because half of it was speaking.
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Actually, if you learn enough languages, the government pays big bucks for translators and such. They're always looking for more, too.
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I believe that would be filed under "some legal document crap" to me.
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If you learn arabic languages, you will make shittons of money. Keep that in mind.
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@LUFFY#1:
I am the same age and i have my carrer staitend out for me
Course you are.
Lot of big walls of text in this page. I play games but I have no interest in designing or developing any, and I only read one comic which is One Piece, and of course I have no interest for that either.
If I were to make games or shit like that, I'd rather do it for big HD consoles, more sales (unless it sucks) I'm involved in music and I'm studying a lot to try and make it as a musician, by studying or if I'm lucky in a band (most likely as a career)
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Wow…so many things I wanted to do....wanted to become!! To be a novelist, a writer, a soldier, a karate-man, an animator, while being good at computer games and dnd info. at the same time
That's how I used to think before...untill I realized that I just wanted to live. And that I wasn't capable enough of doing too many things at once.
My dad once said...focus
So yeah, I just wanna get a good life and get laid at least once a week.- Anyway, getting laid is also an important thing, just don't get addicted to it. Sex addiction is a rare disorder in this world...Altho' now I only have sex rarely (don't have gf ryt now)...I do watch japanese porn a lot and masturbate at least 5 times a day...so yeah, maybe I still haven't coped up with my addiction to sex.
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- Anyway, getting laid is also an important thing, just don't get addicted to it. Sex addiction is a rare disorder in this world…Altho' now I only have sex rarely (don't have gf ryt now)...I do watch japanese porn a lot and masturbate at least 5 times a day...so yeah, maybe I still haven't coped up with my addiction to sex.
Yeah, howzabout we keep that to ourselves, huh?
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Shouldn't lorenzo be posting shitty topics in the bowels of /b/ or something?
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If you learn arabic languages, you will make shittons of money. Keep that in mind.
I do want to learn Arabic but keeping all the letters straight is kind of hard. That and the fact there's no 100% way to write everything with the latin alphabet makes it even more difficult. I'll probably take Arabic in college.
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@ZeArmyOfHalen:
Shouldn't lorenzo be posting shitty topics in the bowels of /b/ or something?
Shouldn't you be posting boring crap in the manga section instead of harassing members twenty times better then you?
Hey I'm pretty sure you are!
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Shouldn't you be posting boring crap in the manga section instead of harassing members twenty times better then you?
Hey I'm pretty sure you are!
I don't spend time in the manga section, and I sure as hell don't read the boring threads, so no.
Ooh, he's a better member than me, I might as well jump off a cliff or cut my wrists seeing as how an internet forum member has better posts than me. And you're telling ME I harass people.. hahaha.
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No I'm telling you not to gun for people who might as well ignore the gnat on their ankle, vaunted forums veterans like Lorenzo.
I gun for people who have it coming, people who suck.
Like you for instance in this very scenario.
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No I'm telling you not to gun for people who might as well ignore the gnat on their ankle, vaunted forums veterans like Lorenzo.
I gun for people who have it coming, people who suck.
Like you for instance in this very scenario.
K .
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My sigs there for a reason, read it and remember.
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I want draw and be perhaps an animator.
I'm really good at drawing, and I have a great understanding of anatomy but I really can't draw women well.I also have trouble drawing backgrounds most of the time.
I studied art religiously in high school. But man being an animator sure is hard as shit.
I have to study papers, and papers of material.
I have a deluded dream of revolutionizing the animation industry.I want to be a fantasy writer but most of my stuff is contrived garbage. Usually I try exploring the psyche's of my characters, have careful balance of power
hierarchies, carefully reveal the aspects of the world.It always ends with me saying
''No this is not good at all."
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Wow…so many things I wanted to do....wanted to become!! To be a novelist, a writer, a soldier, a karate-man, an animator, while being good at computer games and dnd info. at the same time
That's how I used to think before...untill I realized that I just wanted to live. And that I wasn't capable enough of doing too many things at once.
My dad once said...focusI'm from the same type of family, so I can relate to that. I'm taking the opposite route though…I'm not giving up on being multiple things, but am trying to find a way to do all of them.
It's a really strange sensation, actually. With my majors, it's like I'm living different lives. With my multiple internships and commitments, it's really odd to have horizontal synergy give me knowledge that can be applied with mastery only 1-2 hours after I learn it, while I'm being taught it again.
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My sigs there for a reason, read it and remember.
Figured it was a joke, but now I know. And knowing is half the battle.
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@ZeArmyOfHalen:
Figured it was a joke, but now I know. And knowing is half the battle.
G.I. JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOE????
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I'm from the same type of family, so I can relate to that. I'm taking the opposite route though…I'm not giving up on being multiple things, but am trying to find a way to do all of them.
It's a really strange sensation, actually. With my majors, it's like I'm living different lives. With my multiple internships and commitments, it's really odd to have horizontal synergy give me knowledge that can be applied with mastery only 1-2 hours after I learn it, while I'm being taught it again.
So what kinda major are you taking on right now.?
I'm a nursing student graduating right now….The schedule and the competency rating is a bit hectic and stressful...My biggest problem is that I don't know what to do after that...I'm from the Philippines, and most nurses here want the job so that they could go to America to get a better job (Maybe I am wrong, but those were just my observations (from knowing from most people as to why nursing is a good course) ). It's pretty ironic how a few decades ago our people wanted independence from American rule...and now they're trying to be Americanized..
I don't know the reason why I don't want to go to states, but I think it has something to do with my Chinese blood.