you say all these people 2 admirals all va's have got their hands full,im not saying luffy not gonna be beat but id be disappointed if he got KO'D lol
He will get KOed. By Blackbeard.
you say all these people 2 admirals all va's have got their hands full,im not saying luffy not gonna be beat but id be disappointed if he got KO'D lol
He will get KOed. By Blackbeard.
That's not getting flattened, what you're describing is taking your hits to earn your victory, flattened is taking a beating (embarrassing beating) and losing.
Looking good there luffy kun
That's not getting flattened, what you're describing is taking your hits to earn your victory, flattened is taking a beating (embarrassing beating) and losing.
Like against Magellan, Sentomaru, Aokiji?
Yhea, that will happened again.
There might be a slight chance that Luffy could fight a Vice Admiral but its small and frankly whoever that VA is would be one of the weaker ones. Everyone and anyone who could beat Luffy will probably have their hands full with someone else of equal strength as we saw this chapter.
While Akainu and Sengoku are lying back they will probably get involved when WB himself makes a move towards Ace. That still kind of leaves Aokiji without an opponent but he might end up getting one. This will basically leave only the weaker opponents left. It seems that executing Ace has some symbolic value but by the way 2 of the Admirals rushed WB I don't think they are gonna pass up the chance to kill him and if they just kind of let him do whatever he will have killed most of their upper tear fighters by himself. WB just doesn't seem like a guy who can be soloed by anyone on the Marines he isn't the World's Strongest for nothing.
VAs commending Lucci doesn't mean Lucci is close to their league, where the hell did you get that from
Also one of my points in case you missed it, or, more likely, avoided it is that the Marines will almost definitely have a guard for Ace to fend off any pirates who may break the lines. Right now it's the motherfucking Sengoku in that place.
I didn't miss anything try reading 1st, I said your hypothetical marine would definitely not be an admiral and could possibly end up fighting Jimbei, Ivankov and Luffy at once.
@$abZ:
So you think Luffy will get beat up and that's it? JUST like before? Exact same thing?
You still haven't grasped the fact opponents the calibre of Admirals are present at the war.
Hell, Luffy couldn't beat a Pacifista by himself, what bloody hope does he have against any mid-ranked Marine.
X-Drake was a Rear Admiral and he didn't even realise Kizaru had teleported and kicked him through several building
So why the fuck has Oda sent Luffy to that war? An observer? Yeah right.
Who's Flash Jack an alt account of? I'm lost.
Surely the highlight of Luffy's stay in Impel Down.
Being carted around in a wheel-barrow.
I remember around that time there was a bunch of "LUFFY IS MAIN CHARACTER HE CANT BE BEATEN UP AGAIN" arguments running around.
Then Luffy got his ass kicked again.
Y'all need to realise Oda isn't a shitty writer like Kishimoto, the strength gap isn't closed simply by "lol main character"
So you agree Croc was vastly superior.
If by vastly superior you mean touching anyone in the series with his left hand (save Blackbeard) means instant win, then yes. But by that same logic, my two year old son with the suna suna fruit would be vastly superior to Whitebeard. Ehhh, I don't feel like replying any further.
It's not working for me on this ancient computer
Are you confusing "ancient computer" with "web proxy"?
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u101/gbfc/dupe/aaaaaa.jpg
Surely the highlight of Luffy's stay in Impel Down.
Being carted around in a wheel-barrow.
I remember around that time there was a bunch of "LUFFY IS MAIN CHARACTER HE CANT BE BEATEN UP AGAIN" arguments running around.
Then Luffy got his ass kicked again.
Y'all need to realise Oda isn't a shitty writer like Kishimoto, the strength gap isn't closed simply by "lol main character"
thats not a wheel barrow its a sled
Who's Flash Jack an alt account of? I'm lost.
The pic's would suggest massacre man/soldier killer, who in turn probably was an alt of someone else. Where it all began who knows.
If by vastly superior you mean touching anyone in the series with his left hand (save Blackbeard) means instant win, then yes. But by that same logic, my two year old son with the suna suna fruit would be vastly superior to Whitebeard. Ehhh, I don't feel like replying any further.
So what? The sand fruit is a part of his power, how is that a valid complaint at all
Are you confusing "ancient computer" with "web proxy"?
No, it really is my computer. 300MHz, windows 95, hell there's even a lag time whenI'm typing
okay jack flash i don't care about arguing this anymore just give us a play by play of what will happen with luffy for example he gets his ass kicked you said so what happens after is he knocked out, is he badly wounded, does he wake up days later to hear he got his ass kicked and accomplished nothing
like i said i'm done arguing this i just want to hear what you think will happen
Your points already show me that you're a pushover.
Your points have shown me that you're remarkably similar to someone I remember.
Give me some proof. You have failed to do so as I implicitly requested earlier.
Proof of New World level or concede.
100,000 marines, who knows how many new World Pirates and Luffy's arbitrarily weaker than all of them. Your logic is astounding.
Luffy was left a bloody mess the first two times. The third time Crocodile forgot about every single one of his deadliest attacks and stood like a retarded 7 year old.
The second time, Luffy was already fighting evenly with him. The main reason he lost was mobility problems. Espada wouldn't have made a difference as Luffy could dodge it, Luffy was dodging his hand throughout the entire fight, that sucking the earth dry thing would have further destabilized the catacomb and Luffy could have just jumped and grabbed on to something. Indeed, the fact that Crocodile himself said that he only took off his hook for opponents he took seriously showed he was at his fighting best at the third fight.
hahahahahahaa
Odz isn't Moria, all Moria did was put him together. The true battle between him and Moria was when he was in Asgard mode.
I never said they didn't
Who isn't moria.
Oz is a part of Moria's power.
Who isn't Moria.
Moria gave him a powerful shadow.
Moria gave him a power source. Still not Moria
And rebuilt his body.
@Jack:
Fixed him up, still not Moria. If he made his own body from scratch, that'd be something.
And gave him direction and intelligence.
Still not Moria. All he did was give him helpful pointers. Odz himself continued to insist not to help him and that it's his fight.
Don't downplay Moria's involvement.
He made him. beating him doesn't beat moria. Thats like saying beating a Giant Robot beats the goofy scientist who is a hundred times stronger due to genetic manipulation fixed it up.
Who gives a shit
For the purposes of yuor argument, i think you should give a shit.
No they mainly lost because they didn't have a Luffy souped up with 100 shadows to turn the tables at the time.
By mainly I meant Crocodile and Moria not Moria and Odz. But whatever, there's nothing wrong with taking advantage of an opponent's weakness. If he has them, then that just shows he's not all that he's cracked up to be.
Ermm maybe that's because New World pirates have been busy rampaging in the pirate holy-land known as NEW WORLD while Luffy has been dicking about on backwaters with guys like Foxy.
While Luffy's been mixing it up with admirals, Shickibukai, destroying government facilities that haven't been touched for centuries and messing with the entire power hierchy of the series. Pretty damn impressive for a backwater. I wonder how many of these NW Pirates can top that. No matter how you slice it, Luffy's resume sounds as impressive as a New World pirate's. Oh and also Shickibukai are ba fucking world power, when Moria was beaten, the World Government went all kill him to hush it up, you think they'd be so feared if any New World Pirate could beat them?
@Jack:Boo hoo.
So you don't deny it. That only shows you're biased hurting your credibility.
Surprise only goes so far if he can't bridge the cavernous gap Oda has made abundantly clear exists.
Because Luffy totally can't jump out of nowhere where no one's looking and end up only having to fight people his own level. It's totally not something credible that Mr. Oda could do.
Why would the Marines be happy idiot
I'm talking about the New World captains moron, I quoted your exact irelvant post didn't I?
They'd have amusement at a rookie thinking he can do anything of note in this playing field
Yes because most of their men totally aren't of his level if not weaker. They might as well send them all home if they're not gonna do anything. The difference is Luffy's ambitions would be higher.
Oh excellent so motivation is irrelevent when it is massively on the side opposing Luffy. Thanks for the clarification.
it is irrelvant if Luffy is pitted up against opponent's weaker than him. If it's someone on his strength level, then that'd make a difference.
One strong person left is enough to deal with the no-name threat Luffy will represent.
Lol, I like how you're treating all those 100K marines and New World Pirates including the fodder crew as all above Luffy.
Good thing you haven't managed to bung the gap between their strength then.
And you just keep doing it.
Why would they underestimate anyone making a bee line for Ace.
Because they'd think he's a weak nobody who could be crushed by one of the marines on land so they just leave him to one of the internal forces who they THINK should be enough which they won't be because Luffy is one of your specailly strong rookies. I'm merely explaining a plausiable route Mr. Oda could take the story.
I love how you think MOTIVATION is enough to get him by in this storm.
I love how you were the one who brought up this issue between his and Whitebeard's motivation and which is stronger. Losing track of your own points?
Sengoku was shown to hold Admiral during the Ohara buster call. Reading comprehension sucks eh
Yours sucks if you didn't read the part where I said he might get busy with someone. Also link please.
He already did. Read the damn manga.
Again, link. Ichecked the Ohara chapter, didn;t find it.
You're seriously saying the Marines will not leave one strong player to guard Ace when Ace is the primary target in this war.
There is a word for people like you, that is "retarded".
I love how you can be just an ass about these things. Your posting style actually reminds me of someone Mr. Joined yesterday. Anyway, I think it's retarded to think that the marines won't have to use every strong fighter they have against a force which, you yourself said, is equal to them leaving only fighters of Luffy's level to contend with.
I'm sure Luffy will have fun playing around with Coby Helmeppo and Jango
You're actually strengthening my own argument here, if weak guys like that can be in the war, the entire scale of strong for the Mariens goes down. Someone the Marines think is strong enough for Luffy could just as easiy be flattened.
I love the main character argument.
And a good argument it is.
As if being the main character will close a cavernous gap made abundantly clear by Oda.
Again with the underestimating him and assuming he's going to go fighting an admiral.
You'd have a point if he wasn't outclassed and had to have his ass saved at every step in Impel Down
Magellan was out of his league but he did a good job of pretty much crushing everyone else there till the Vice-Chief. Also Crocodile and Jimbei ere running just as fast as Luffy. Are you going to call them weak and outclassed now? The same guys the government wanted for war?
Great hype being taught a lesson over and over again by Magellan, Luffy kun
His goal was just to escape. He didn't have to beat him. Here he has to and he has a chance to do it too.
Retarded main character argument again.
And why is retarded?
You are completely illiterate to the art of storytelling if you haven't realised the hype Oda has brought to the level of this war. Every pirate is a vet of New World. Every marine is quality enough to be a credible threat to these crews.
You are completely story illiterate if you think Mr. Oda is going to waste an entire arc of buildup and that every single damn Marine and pirate in the war is stronger than Luffy. for crying out loud, Fullbody and Jango are in it.
Good thing Oda already showed he once held the position of elite Marine fighting force, Admiral.
Mentioned by Whitebeard as a great along with Roger and Garp.
You have yet to cite this and he could have been mentioned for his planning abilities. Garp was said to have cornered Roger many times yet he's only a Vice-Admiral which is leagues below an Admiral who Whitebeard brushed away easily. Again this is all irrelevant as he could just as easily be forced to fight as well. With the way Whitebeard brushed off Aokiji and Marco handled all those attacks by Kizaru, it is very plausible that only he can take him on.
No that's just your inability to read a patently obvious situation.
Sounds as hopeless as what happened in Enies Lobby, Saboady, countless other times to me.
It's better than THEYRE FODDERS OF COURSE LUFFY WIN NUB!11!!!!11
The point is you don't know exacty how strong they are. So you don't know the level of difference. You can claim it's omg super high but you have no basis for that. For one thing, it' not like they're all equally strong, there are weak ones just as much as strong even if they have been said to have made a name for themselves, you don't know what they've done but whatever they have done, I think it's safe to say what Luffy ahs done is as impressive if not more so since no ones ever touched the things Luffy has.
Ivankov: "you gonna do nothing, you gonna die"
Amazon Nyon: "you're an ant in a storm"Wow that's something.
My indicators that he is going to do something.
Main character.
They're brothers.
An entire fucking arc.
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Surely the highlight of Luffy's stay in Impel Down.
Being carted around in a wheel-barrow.
I remember around that time there was a bunch of "LUFFY IS MAIN CHARACTER HE CANT BE BEATEN UP AGAIN" arguments running around.
Then Luffy got his ass kicked again. Do you guys really need to show "complete dominance" over the other by replying to every sentence. Or is boosting egos the biggest reason to join a forum?
These one page responses are annoying btw
Y'all need to realise Oda isn't a shitty writer like Kishimoto, the strength gap isn't closed simply by "lol main character"
This actually pretty true. Luffy always gets beaten up to show us he still has a long way to go. I find it suprising though that Oda may be doing the same thing to Blackbeard since he lost immediately to Magellan. It shows Blackbeard is powerful but not invincible. It's like buildups for both the main antagonist(huge chance Blackbeard is) and the protaganist.
I remember around that time there was a bunch of "LUFFY IS MAIN CHARACTER HE CANT BE BEATEN UP AGAIN" arguments running around.
Then Luffy got his ass kicked again.
Y'all need to realise Oda isn't a shitty writer like Kishimoto, the strength gap isn't closed simply by "lol main character"
Indeed, Luffy won't be running around kicking everyone's ass in this war, simply because he's not strong enough. But the question is, what will he do, and I can just guess that atleast he won't be kicking high-ranked peoples ass without getting owned.
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Looking good there luffy kun
Like against Magellan, Sentomaru, Aokiji?
Yhea, that will happened again.
No the Magellan thing was a flattening, I meant that he'll take his beating while fighting the Smoker level fighter but still win. In fact I honestly don't think he could take another Magellan type beating and survive, the guy is literally running off adrenaline from Ivankov and w/e hormones he manipulated.
The combined argument that you two are making is rather dumb, in a Shonen when the protagonist gets whooped it's done to showcase the power of his enemy, provide drama, as well as make the protagonist realise his need to get stronger, all of which were accomplished in SA and ID, for him to lose here as you guys paint it not only would serve no purpose but would likely kill him and would make a joke of the entire ID arc.
okay jack flash i don't care about arguing this anymore just give us a play by play of what will happen with luffy for example he gets his ass kicked you said so what happens after is he knocked out, is he badly wounded, does he wake up days later to hear he got his ass kicked and accomplished nothing
like i said i'm done arguing this i just want to hear what you think will happen
You see I'm not a soothsayer or oracle like the rest of you so I can't magically see into the future.
What I can do, however, is make logical extrapolations.
Who's Flash Jack an alt account of? I'm lost.
Back when I was lurking I remember some guy who was jockriding Magellan and had every post with a pic of Luffy poisoned, maybe this is him?
Back when I was lurking I remember some guy who was jockriding Magellan and had every post with a pic of Luffy poisoned, maybe this is him?
massacre man killer lol
@Thousand:
Odz isn't Moria, all Moria did was put him together. The true battle between him and Moria was when he was in Asgard mode.
…Are you kidding me? Sorry but it was even stated in the manga itself by Zoro that it was just desperation attack. No need to even infer. The only time Moria landed a hit on Luffy was completely ineffective. It would have worked on the rest of the crew but agaisnt a rubberman.....He stood no chance.
Repeat after me:
There will be a strong marine guarding Ace.
There will be a strong marine guarding Ace.
There will be a strong marine guarding Ace.
There will be a strong marine guarding Ace.
There will be a strong marine guarding Ace.
Did it get through to you yet
And you can tell this because you can predict the future, Mr. Logical Extrapolater?
That's common sense, Batter.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/553/08-09/
That captain with the glasses and headphones at the bottom left panel looks similar to apoo.
And It appears like there is also a BROOKE look alike in one of WB allies. Hmmm BONE DF?
That Ball chain appears like a DF user too. The Ball has teeth… XD
That's common sense, Batter.
Not if the ones above Luffy's level are all busy with Whitebeard pirates, it's not. I just want to know how Mr. Sounds Familiar knows this won't be the case.
You see I'm not a soothsayer or oracle like the rest of you so I can't magically see into the future.
What I can do, however, is make logical extrapolations.
wow way to be an ass when i was trying to be polite
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/553/08-09/
That captain with the glasses and headphones at the bottom left panel looks similar to apoo.
And It appears like there is also a BROOKE look alike in one of WB allies. Hmmm BONE DF?
That Ball chain appears like a DF user too. The Ball has teeth… XD
The brooke lookalike also has a crack on his "skull" as well.
@Thousand:
Still not Moria. All he did was give him helpful pointers. Odz himself continued to insist not to help him and that it's his fight.
As far as I remember, Odz was having problems to defeat the Straw Hats. Then when Moria appeared all of them (sans Usopp and Nami) were brutally beaten up one by one.
So you don't deny it. That only shows you're biased hurting your credibility.
LOL Are you seriously using "anti-main caster" against him?
As far as I remember, Odz was having problems to defeat the Straw Hats. Then when Moria appeared all of them (sans Usopp and Nami) were brutally beaten up one by one.
All Moria did was give him stretching powers and tell him not to be scared by fire. Anyway this is largely irrelevant from the main issue anyway which is Luffy and his actions in the war., If I want to discuss with these side-issues, I'd discuss it with him.
LOL Are you seriously using "anti-main caster" against him?
Why not, he's continuously expressed his distaste for Luffy. I wouldn't listen to a person so prejudiced on his thoughts on what the main character would do.
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Looking good there luffy kun
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Surely the highlight of Luffy's stay in Impel Down.
Being carted around in a wheel-barrow.
I remember around that time there was a bunch of "LUFFY IS MAIN CHARACTER HE CANT BE BEATEN UP AGAIN" arguments running around.
Then Luffy got his ass kicked again.
Y'all need to realise Oda isn't a shitty writer like Kishimoto, the strength gap isn't closed simply by "lol main character"
You know, there was a guy here recently, who continuously spammed those images. He was banned. Also how did you remember that time? That was during the Impel Down arc. You joined yesterday.
Frankly Luffy absolutely cannot get owned here at MHQ. If he does it could very well be the end of the manga. His behind would be executed right after Aces for being the current greatest criminals son and no relation to Garp is gonna save cause Garp was pushing it by saving Ace.
On the other hand, I really doubt he is going to be doing any miraculous shit like he did back in the other arcs. No beating any Schichi level guys and no miraculous rescues ala Enies Lobby. He really can't afford to fight anyone who could force him to even take a breather cause there are plenty of dudes who can own a Luffy who is catching his breath. While any big battles are out of the question I doubt he is gonna be useless.
Impel Down already showed Luffy that he needs a huge amount of strength to stand on his own two legs. It took an army of Okamas, prisoners, and 2 Schichis to get his butt out of jail. I think its gonna be hammered home to Luffy just how big the gap is. I still doubt he has come to see just how much training he needs ( for Pete's sake he thought walking on his hands back to Shaobaoday would help him defeat Kizaru, Sentomaru, and Kuma).
I still think though that Luffy will play a part in helping save Ace it just won't be by beating up some guy gaurding him. I just want to see how Oda pulls this off to show Luffy that all his strength is not really what saved Ace but it was WB and co.
I can't decide what's worse, "anti-main caster" or "I've seen you before, your argument is irrelevant"
Damn that Shichi thread is a cancerous bastard, it's starting to metastasize it's way into here.
Its only gonna get worse now that the other Schichis are gonna be featured soon. We already got the Mihawk strength discussions.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/553/10-11/
One of the vice admirals looks like a younger version of Garp… XD
Oh and VA Onigumo can control his hair. Is it like Kumadori's technique or a Hair DF... hehe COOL
Oh and VA Onigumo can control his hair. Is it like Kumadori's technique or a Hair DF… hehe COOL
oh shit i never thought of that
@Thousand:
Your points have shown me that you're remarkably similar to someone I remember.
Please don't be so cryptic. :)))
Proof of New World level or concede.
It doesn't work that way because you're the one who's baselessly saying he's as strong as them.
I'll take that as a concession
100,000 marines, who knows how many new World Pirates and Luffy's arbitrarily weaker than all of them. Your logic is astounding.
Hyperbole semantics. Your arguments are the best
The second time, Luffy was already fighting evenly with him. The main reason he lost was mobility problems.
That's a roundabout way of saying Croc was beter
Espada wouldn't have made a difference as Luffy could dodge it, Luffy was dodging his hand throughout the entire fight, that sucking the earth dry thing would have further destabilized the catacomb and Luffy could have just jumped and grabbed on to something.
Coulda woulda shoulda.
Croc was the better man. Why are you begrudging that
Indeed, the fact that Crocodile himself said that he only took off his hook for opponents he took seriously showed he was at his fighting best at the third fight.
Bullshit when we as readers clearly saw Croc playing stupid the entire time
Odz isn't Moria, all Moria did was put him together.
And control him and give him direction and give him power and enhance his abilities.
Oza is part of Moria's powerset.
The true battle between him and Moria was when he was in Asgard mode.
No the true battle was baseLuffy being schooled by base Moria's doppleganger
Who isn't Moria.
This is as stupid as the "devil fruits aren't part of the person's power"£ arguments
Moria gave him a power source.
Through his fruit. Without the fruit Oz doesn't exist.
Fixed him up, still not Moria. If he made his own body from scratch, that'd be something.
Still not Moria. All he did was give him helpful pointers. Odz himself continued to insist not to help him and that it's his fight.
You forgot that Moria could control Oz completely thanks to shadow manipulation
Why are you so dumb
He made him. beating him doesn't beat moria. Thats like saying beating a Giant Robot beats the goofy scientist who is a hundred times stronger due to genetic manipulation fixed it up.
Beating him negates part of Moria's power set. It's dealing a blow to Moria's effectiveness as a fighter.
This is a stupid semantical argument that you're using to bog down the main point of Luffy's uselessness in this war.
For the purposes of yuor argument, i think you should give a shit.
It was an arbitrary point with no bearing on the argument
I rightfully don't give a shit concerning it.
By mainly I meant Crocodile and Moria not Moria and Odz. But whatever, there's nothing wrong with taking advantage of an opponent's weakness. If he has them, then that just shows he's not all that he's cracked up to be.
t wasn't "taking advantage of an opponent's weakness", it was using Moria's power by consuming shadows.
So Moria lost to Luffy and Moria.
While Luffy's been mixing it up with admirals,
Being stomped all over the place by Aokiji and shitting his pants at Kizaru isn't mixing it up with admirals by any stretch of the imagination
Shickibukai,
He's been taught a lesson by Croc thrice, Hancock, Blackbeard and Jimbei. He didn't have a hope in hell vs Moria without his crew and Moria's own powers.
destroying government facilities that haven't been touched for centuries
Actually that was Spandam's buster call which destroyde the government facility.
And you make it sound like he's attacked other than Enies Lobby. Name them.
and messing with the entire power hierchy of the series.
In what planet is getting his ass beat by Sentomaru, Kuma, Magellan, Aokiji, Kizaru messing with the power heirarchy?
If anything the argument that Luffy is a nobody is cemented by that.
Pretty damn impressive for a backwater.
Not especially when he isn't even a standout for the 11 rookies known as the Supernovae. He's arbitrarily grouped with 10 others who went through as many adventures as him. hell there are even rookie pirates with bounties close to if not surpassing his.
He isn't as impressive as you make out. The only reason you're blinded is because he's been in our face for 550 chapters.
I wonder how many of these NW Pirates can top that.
How many times must it be made clear in the manga that the NW is a hell for rookies?
The only reason you can call those pirates "NW pirates" is because they can survive a sea dominated completely by the 4 strongest pirates in the world.
No matter how you slice it, Luffy's resume sounds as impressive as a New World pirate's.
No it doesn't.
Moria is a NW pirate who was decimated completely and his resume is far greater.
Oh and also Shickibukai are ba fucking world power, when Moria was beaten, the World Government went all kill him to hush it up, you think they'd be so feared if any New World Pirate could beat them?
What the hell does that even mean
So you don't deny it. That only shows you're biased hurting your credibility.
Lovely ad hominem
Because Luffy totally can't jump out of nowhere where no one's looking and end up only having to fight people his own level. It's totally not something credible that Mr. Oda could do.
Keep ignoring the buddha Sengoku standing next to Ace.
I'm sure he'll have his head up his ass soon enough to allow Luffy to sneak in and out with a knocked out Ace
I'm talking about the New World captains moron, I quoted your exact irelvant post didn't I?
Where I was directly referring to the Marines.
Well done on getting lost in the argument.
Yes because most of their men totally aren't of his level if not weaker. They might as well send them all home if they're not gonna do anything. The difference is Luffy's ambitions would be higher.
Ambition is nothing in front of overwhelming power. Again you're blinded by his status as a main character.
it is irrelvant if Luffy is pitted up against opponent's weaker than him. If it's someone on his strength level, then that'd make a difference.
I'll say it again:
Ignore Sengoku standing next to Ace. Ignore the fact the Marines have posited someone to guard Ace incase any pirates break the battle lines.
Lol, I like how you're treating all those 100K marines and New World Pirates including the fodder crew as all above Luffy.
Not the point at all you blithering idiot
And you just keep doing it.
This makes no sense whatsover. Point conceded.
Because they'd think he's a weak nobody who could be crushed by one of the marines on land so they just leave him to one of the internal forces who they THINK should be enough which they won't be because Luffy is one of your specailly strong rookies. I'm merely explaining a plausiable route Mr. Oda could take the story.
That isn't plausible at all. SENGOKU IS STANDING RIGHT NEXT TO ACE YOU FUCKING IDIOT
I love how you were the one who brought up this issue between his and Whitebeard's motivation and which is stronger. Losing track of your own points?
Outright lie. You were the one who brought up this ridiculous notion of motivation > strength at all.
Yours sucks if you didn't read the part where I said he might get busy with someone. Also link please.
You obviously keep avoiding the fact that it is an idiotic maneuver to leave Ace unguarded. This is why SENGOKU IS RIGHT NEXT TO HIM
Also I'm not going to spoonfeed you. It was in Robin's flashback. Fetch it yourself.
Again, link. Ichecked the Ohara chapter, didn;t find it.
Haha you prove your ineptitude once again. Look at his introduction when talking to Saul.
I love how you can be just an ass about these things. Your posting style actually reminds me of someone Mr. Joined yesterday. Anyway, I think it's retarded to think that the marines won't have to use every strong fighter they have against a force which, you yourself said, is equal to them leaving only fighters of Luffy's level to contend with.
I never said that at all. I've been saying all along "someone strong will be left to guard Ace, right now it is Sengoku. To think otherwise is stupid".
Stop misrepresenting my position.
You're actually strengthening my own argument here, if weak guys like that can be in the war, the entire scale of strong for the Mariens goes down. Someone the Marines think is strong enough for Luffy could just as easiy be flattened.
Those guys are there to inflate the numbers. The strong guys will be right next to Ace.
Keep track of the argument, please. It's embarassing.
And a good argument it is.
Do I have to keep posting Luffy lying in a pool of his own faeces when he got battered by Magellan.
It is stupid beyond belief.
Again with the underestimating him and assuming he's going to go fighting an admiral.
I repeat, you're stupid if you don't think a strongman is going to be guarding Ace the duration of the war.
Magellan was out of his league but he did a good job of pretty much crushing everyone else there till the Vice-Chief.
Barely getting past Basilisks and needing Buggy's help to get past LEVEL 1.
Great job Luffy chan
Also Crocodile and Jimbei ere running just as fast as Luffy. Are you going to call them weak and outclassed now? The same guys the government wanted for war?
Ignore the fact his ass was saved by Ivankov, Crocodile and Jinbei.
His goal was just to escape. He didn't have to beat him. Here he has to and he has a chance to do it too.
You'd have a point if he hadn't have tried to fight Magellan.
But he did. And got his ass kicked over and over again.
And why is retarded?
Because you assume Oda is a shitty writer like Kishimoto or yourself.
You are completely story illiterate if you think Mr. Oda is going to waste an entire arc of buildup and that every single damn Marine and pirate in the war is stronger than Luffy. for crying out loud, Fullbody and Jango are in it.
You go right on ignoring the meat of my argument buddy. I'm sure you'll sleep better.
You have yet to cite this and he could have been mentioned for his planning abilities.
Don't be a moron for once in your life. Read the manga properly.
Garp was said to have cornered Roger many times yet he's only a Vice-Admiral which is leagues below an Admiral who Whitebeard brushed away easily.
Ignore Garp doing whatever the hell he wants and being insubordinate.
Again this is all irrelevant as he could just as easily be forced to fight as well. With the way Whitebeard brushed off Aokiji and Marco handled all those attacks by Kizaru, it is very plausible that only he can take him on.
Keep ignoring my argument.
Sounds as hopeless as what happened in Enies Lobby, Saboady, countless other times to me.
He left Enies Lobby a cripple.
He left Sabaody a cripple. Hell, he only left Sabaody because Kuma interfered.
Aaaaaaaaaaand…Brennen'd. Shame.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/553/12-13/
One of WB allies is definitely a Cyborg or a Robot… XD
and the Marine Giants didnt engaged in the battle yet. I wonder if their will be a Smoker vs Luffy rematch in this arc?
Oh Jozu, the worlds biggest diamond. He would be a great source of MONEY!!!.. XD I wonder how nami will raect if he sees Jozu, im sure she will find a way to sell him... XD
There's no point talking to jack flash. There are many ways oda can make luffy matter in the war.
There's no point talking to jack flash. There are many ways oda can make luffy matter in the war.
yeah looks like he just got banned too
Jack we hardly knew ye, may you have better luck under another name.
Jesus Christ this chapter had alot of double-page spreads…! Kinda shortened it by doing that, though...
Also, that colorspread almost makes me question my whole "I'm not into drawn women" thing. Almost…
wow, Jack Flash was banned while I switched the page, lol
But I don't think I've ever seen so many quotes in a single post ever before. xD
I'm allready waiting for the next chapter… This one doesn't excite me that much somehow. We see much new stuff, but nothing I'm overly interested in.
But it was nice to see a serious attack from Mihawk and the diamond fruit. I once imagined one of the Yonkou or one of his strongest crewmates to have it... looks like I wasn't that far off. :D
Aaaaaaaaaaand…Brennen'd. Shame.
Lmao! Way to go Brennen if you did layeth the ban hammer. That guy was a huge anti Luffy troll, I had a larf at that "Lying in his own feces" part though.
Jesus Christ this chapter had alot of double-page spreads…! Kinda shortened it by doing that, though...
Also, that colorspread almost makes me question my whole "I'm not into drawn women" thing. Almost…
Yeah I think only like the first page after the cover was not a spread. I hope Oda doesn't get too fanservicy with the girls( that's more of a Kubo thing and lord knows he needs it to attract readers).
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/553/12-13/
One of WB allies is definitely a Cyborg or a Robot… XD
and the Marine Giants didnt engaged in the battle yet. I wonder if their will be a Smoker vs Luffy rematch in this arc?
Oh Jozu, the worlds biggest diamond. He would be a great source of MONEY!!!.. XD I wonder how nami will raect if he sees Jozu, im sure she will find a way to sell him... XD
Walrus pacifista, a failed experiment.