That's because you hate Zimbabwe. I still love China. I love the US too. I just wish they'd get along better.
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That's because you hate Zimbabwe.
No, it's because anyone can see that Zimbabwe is an absolute hellhole right now. He's doing something you can't, looking at a situation impartially.
Unless you think that countries with hyperinflation, gigantic unemployment and a despotic ruler are just peachy.
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Has anyone been able to provide concrete examples of why people anywhere deserve something different than hyperinflation, gigantic unemployment, or despotic rulership?
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If a country sucks, then it sucks. That's not an insult to anyone who's lived there in the present or past, it's just HOW IT FUCKING IS.
My uncle's wife is from Zimbabwe. They visisted there about ten or so years ago and had a nice time, and still like to mention how beautiful it was on occasion.
Sadly, the country's turned into an absolute hellhole in the time since they've been there.
Am I insulting my aunt's family by saying that the country's turned into a godawful place which nobody should have to live in?
No, because it's completely true, as unfortunate as that happens to be.
If you say something stupid, then you should expect to be called on it. Seriously.
Word, man. Seriously, took the fucking words out of my mouth.
How is admitting that a fucking country is a shithole insulting your ancestors? It's not their fault that the current rulers are dick-heads. If a country sucks, then it sucks. The truth is the truth no matter how much you try to cover your eyes with blind patriotism.
Also those bad things you listed are WHY China sucks.
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And I don't want to call it sucking. Is that so wrong?
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Has anyone been able to provide concrete examples of why people anywhere deserve something different than hyperinflation, gigantic unemployment, or despotic rulership?
Depends on what you mean by "deserve"
Africa's rich natural resources are literally drained from its land because of colonialism. Africans basically lost all their cultural heritage and are forced to live on scraps that Europe left behind, with despots taking what little produce they can eke.
Anyway, does China deserve to have a continuous communist dictatorship? Well, consider what China had before then. Despotic feudalism. That was done away partly thanks to Mao. Then, Mao became the despot.
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And I don't want to call it sucking. Is that so wrong?
If it sucks, it sucks, no matter how much you try to sugar-coat it. The truth is the truth.
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Have some respect alright? It's as if you think China has nothing praiseworthy.
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Wow! Damn how stupid can people get. igetownd sorry to wake you up from your delusions, but you were indoctrinated and not just a little bit. How hard is it for people to do some fucking unbiased research. People like you who swallow everything they get spoonfed, angers and annoys me alot.
This also shows how 'the' media controls people's brain. Some one who only watches Fox news will have a totally other view of the world than some one who watches cnn.
I feel sorry for people who watch just one channel in 1 language, they just are too easy to manipulate - I am afraid 'i get owned' is one of those people. -
If you were really proud of Chinese heritage you would be feeling the opposite and be furious about what the CCP has done to the country.
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@Thousand:
Word, man. Seriously, took the fucking words out of my mouth.
How is admitting that a fucking country is a shithole insulting your ancestors? It's not their fault that the current rulers are dick-heads. If a country sucks, then it sucks. The truth is the truth no matter how much you try to cover your eyes with blind patriotism.
Also those bad things you listed are WHY China sucks.
They did give birth to them, so it's partially their fault in this case.
@Thousand:
If it sucks, it sucks, no matter how much you try to sugar-coat it. The truth is the truth.
Since when did "suck" become objective?
Africa's rich natural resources are literally drained from its land because of colonialism. Africans basically lost all their cultural heritage and are forced to live on scraps that Europe left behind, with despots taking what little produce they can eke.
The same could be said of the Uygurs..
Anyway, does China deserve to have a continuous communist dictatorship?
So you agree the CCP sucks?
Have some respect alright? It's as if you think China has nothing praiseworthy.
This is the internet! I thought you didn't care what people think and was leaving..
Evidently as it paid off Google and others to remove access on any site they don't want their people reading.
More like forced than paid. Doesn't mean they go and read AP general forums though.
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Have some respect alright? It's as if you think China has nothing praiseworthy.
I already said that it has great economic power and a wonderful culture. However this does not compensate for the sheer sucktitude of the country caused by the dictatorship of a government it has. And how am I being disrespectful if it's true? The greatest defense against slander is always the truth.
@nexusil:They did give birth to them, so it's partially their fault in this case.
By your logic, it's the fault of the parents that their son is a criminal more so if they abandoned him to a good foster home as a baby and never saw him again.
@nexusil:Since when did "suck" become objective?
Since if I go to a country to find women having forced abortions, dogs being mass slaughtered to get rid of rabies, any opposition by activists or the media being culled in a heart beat…Seriously man, if I go to a country like that, I'm gonna say it sucks.
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@Thousand:
I already said that it has great economic power and a wonderful culture. However this does not compensate for the sheer sucktitude of the country caused by the dictatorship of a government it has. And how am I being disrespectful if it's true? The greatest defense against slander is always the truth.
By your logic, it's the fault of the parents that their son is a criminal more so if they abandoned him to a good foster home as a baby and never saw him again.
Since if I go to a country to find women having forced abortions, dogs being mass slaughtered to get rid of rabies, any opposition by activists or the media being culled in a heart beat…Seriously man, if I go to a country like that, I'm gonna say it sucks.
that's not an argument here, since most other countries would do it, too. Just like they did it with BSE or or the avian flu.
But yeah, i agree to you guys that china sucks at the moment.
Previously i just felt aggrieved (since i'm half-chinese) that everybody was bashing china for things, that other countries did/do too. it came across that the only country which did evil things was china. That's why i was a bit upset and defensive.
i know that it's not for nothing, if they want to be a global power, they have reset their politics and i'm sure they will. Hopefully with the next or after next generation.
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that's not an argument here, since most other countries would do it, too. Just like they did it with BSE or or the avian flu.
Every dog in every country can have rabies. Most countries' solution is to vaccinate them or put down the dogs that have rabies. China's solution is to slaughter all the dogs by forming a brigade of vigilante thugs who break into peoples' houses, tear away dogs from their tearful owners and beat them to death with a stick then throwing them in a furnace even the ones still alive after the beating. And I've seen this on video (thank you Amnesty International email subscription). Also it's retarded to kill all the dogs just because some of them have rabies. By that logic, we should kill all the humans because some of them could be murderers. In the end though, this rabies ploy was just an excuse to decrease the dog population. Thank goodness they've stopped the massacre now thanks to internal and external pressure. That's the way their government works and that's why it sucks!!!
But yeah, i agree to you guys that china sucks at the moment.
It's been sucking since Mao came in power. That was what? 50 years ago?
Previously i just felt aggrieved (since i'm half-chinese) that everybody was bashing china for things, that other countries did/do too.
Just because other countries are doing bad stuff too doesn't make what they're doing any more ok. Do I need to bring up my allegory of Johnny and Jimmy again?
In comparison though, China definitely ranks as one of the top worst along with Sudan, Iran and North Koreait came across that the only country which did evil things was china.
It's not however that doesn't make it okay to be a sucky country. We bash China only in this thread because this thread is about China. If you want us to bash Iran, Sudan, Zimbabwe, even America, make a thread and I'm sure most of the members including myself would be happy to oblige.
That's why i was a bit upset and defensive.
You should feel infuriated if you really care for your country not defensive. God knows I would be if I knew my country was pulling the shit China is doing.
i know that it's not for nothing, if they want to be a global power, they have reset their politics and i'm sure they will. Hopefully with the next or after next generation.
i don't want to join you guys picking on china, but i also don't want to disagree, so…Nothing's gonna change so long as the CCP is still in control. Also your attitude is the reason why nothings gonna change because most of the citizens are just hoping things are going to change without them actually doing anything to make the change happen.
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so, if I don't wanna call poo stinky, that means it's not, right?
I have troubles following politics, so these tidbits are kinda interesting.
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@Thousand:
It's not however that doesn't make it okay to be a sucky country. We bash China only in this thread because this thread is about China. If you want us to bash Iran, Sudan, Zimbabwe, even America, make a thread and I'm sure most of the members including myself would be happy to oblige.
but you have to admit that china takes on a special role, otherwise there wouldn't just be thread about it.
You should feel infuriated if you really care for your country not defensive. God knows I would be if I knew my country was pulling the shit China is doing.
look, let me do a comparison without wanting to pace you.
let's assume you have a brother and he's a criminal. Now everybody is saying that your brother sucks and he should be thrown into prison (but the family of those people did the exact same thing some time ago). Would you happily join them and say that your brother sucks? i doubt it. You know that your brother sucks, but you still want to defend him.Nothing's gonna change so long as the CCP is still in control. Also your attitude is the reason why nothings gonna change because most of the citizens are just hoping things are going to change without them actually doing anything to make the change happen.
maybe it's because of people like me. but i'm still an 18 year old student living in germany, who has an own life concentrating on having a good secondary school qualification. Besides i was never raised on having such a political consiousness and i'm not even considered a chinese when i'm in china, because i don't look like one, so i don't know why i should care more than you.
besides, i wonder if you ever joined a demonstration or something to change an aspect of the current situation in your country you don't agree with? Besides if you want to change something in china rather than just critisize it, you could do it, too. it's not just limited to chinese. -
but you have to admit that china takes on a special role, otherwise there wouldn't just be thread about it.
By special role, you mean worse than most countries yes. But this thread was made randomly by some xenophobe. it could just have been easily made by some anglophobe. Seriously, if you want a thread to diss England or whatever make it if you'll fell any better but in this thread it's China all the time.
look, let me do a comparison without wanting to pace you.
let's assume you have a brother and he's a criminal. Now everybody is saying that your brother sucks and he should be thrown into prison (but the family of those people did the exact same thing some time ago). Would you happily join them and say that your brother sucks? i doubt it. You know that your brother sucks, but you still want to defend him.Awful comparison. The only way this could possibly work was if my brother was some mass-murdering, despotic, paedophilic, raping, animal-slaughtering, Hannibal/Hitler/Saddam/Bashir combo with every bad trait known to man. If he did some crime like shoplifting I'd feel sorry for him. If he did some crime like rape or murder I'd still feel sorry for him though not as much. If he did what China is doing on a daily basis, send him to the chair and I'm against the death penalty. Seriously, don't compare sibling love to patriotism, it just doesn't work.
maybe it's because of people like me. but i'm still an 18 year old student living in germany, who has an own life concentrating on having a good secondary school qualification.
Good for you, you're not suffering like your bretheren. You've also given me an idea on how ignorant you are at your ancestors' homeland and why you defend it so blindly.
Besides i was never raised on having such a political consiousness and i'm not even considered a chinese when i'm in china, because i don't look like one, so i don't know why i should care more than you.
Yet you defend China and even use the comparison of a brother. Out of what? Blind patriotism.
besides, i wonder if you ever joined a demonstration or something to change an aspect of the current situation in your country you don't agree with?
My country isn't as screwed up as China. It's pretty small and peaceful. I'm thankful that I don't live in a hell that most people do in this world.
Besides if you want to change something in china rather than just critisize it, you could do it, too. it's not just limited to chinese.
I don't live in China. I feel concern and anguish for those but I have neither the motivation nor the means to help them. This is all irrelevant though since we're discussing how China sucks not how it is our duty that we should help it not suck.
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@Thousand:
By special role, you mean worse than most countries yes. But this thread was made randomly by some xenophobe. it could just have been easily made by some anglophobe. Seriously, if you want a thread to diss England or whatever make it if you'll fell any better but in this thread it's China all the time.
nope, i mean it's the only country which "officialy sucks" to the rest of the world, but has a chance in becoming the global power as such. Also a lot of other countries are depending on china, unlike most other countries which sucks. That's why it's special and gets that much attention.
Awful comparison. The only way this could possibly work was if my brother was some mass-murdering, despotic, paedophilic, raping, animal-slaughtering, Hannibal/Hitler/Saddam/Bashir combo with every bad trait known to man. If he did some crime like shoplifting I'd feel sorry for him. If he did some crime like rape or murder I'd still feel sorry for him though not as much. If he did what China is doing on a daily basis, send him to the chair and I'm against the death penalty. Seriously, don't compare sibling love to patriotism, it just doesn't work.
ehh? what do you mean? what would work?
So you're saying that you won't defend your brother, just because he did some crime, but not just that, you will also happily join the mass and bash on him?Yet you defend China and even use the comparison of a brother. Out of what? Blind patriotism.
i already answered your question and it's not out of "blind patriotism".
also i'm not defending china. I already admitted that it sucks. what's your problem?My country isn't as screwed up as China. It's pretty small and peaceful. I'm thankful that I don't live in a hell that most people do in this world.
so this saves you from all duties?
I don't live in China. I feel concern and anguish for those but I have neither the motivation nor the means to help them. This is all irrelevant though since we're discussing how China sucks not how it is our duty that we should help it not suck.
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nope, i mean it's the only country which "officialy sucks" to the rest of the world, but has a chance in becoming the global power as such. Also a lot of other countries are depending on china, unlike most other countries which sucks. That's why it's special and gets that much attention.
There are so many countries that suck, it's not funny. China isn't special except that it's one of the more famous ones. That comes with it being a world power.
ehh? what do you mean? what would work?
So you're saying that you won't defend your brother, just because he did some crime, but not just that, you will also happily join the mass and bash on him?To make your comparison work and seriously stop trying to make it work. It's ludicrous to compare a nation to a human being because no human being could do anything as awful as what China is doing on a regular basis and even if he could, he would then be the most awful human being in history and would deserve no sympathy from friends or family alike. Seriously, have you any idea what China's done and is doing?
Originally Posted by igetownd
_Guess what?I'm back! And yes, I regenerate.
Anyway, let's discuss what China has done wrong to prevent itself from actualizing itself.
1. Dictatorship
2. Pollution
3. Violent oppression
4. Brainwashing
5. Racism
6. Animal abuse
7. Media censorship
8. Trade monopoly
9. Bribery and threat
10. Population controlHowever, how to solve this? Revolution? I'm pretty sure an underground resistance has been in formation for decades. But they're up against probably the strongest army in the world.
A better way is to have good guys be yes-men until they seize the top and gain political immunity. Then the reforms can really start._
Enlighten yourself.
i already answered your question and it's not out of "blind patriotism".
also i'm not defending china. I already admitted that it sucks. what's your problem?My problem is that you don't think it deserves the criticism that it gets but it does.
so this saves you from all duties?
What duty do I have to a country on the other side of the world with a screwed up government?
and yet you're calling me ignorant??!!
so you're an windbag after all…You're ignorant because you don't think the situation is worse than it really is. I have at least watched videos of the situation and constantly update myself on the latest dick-move done by China. Whether I do something about it or not is not relevant to this discussion.
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@Thousand:
There are so many countries that suck, it's not funny. China isn't special except that it's one of the more famous ones. That comes with it being a world power.
when did i say something was funny? also how is it not special?
To make your comparison work and seriously stop trying to make it work. It's ludicrous to compare a nation to a human being because no human being could do anything as awful as what China is doing on a regular basis and even if he could, he would then be the most awful human being in history and would deserve no sympathy from friends or family alike. Seriously, have you any idea what China's done and is doing?
so why can you make a comparison with Johnny and Jimmy?
you don't get the point here. It'n not about what he did, but what the reaction is.My problem is that you don't think it deserves the criticism that it gets but it does.
yes, it does. please, when did i ever said it doesn't or implied it after the post, where i said i just felt aggrieved. Nothing more, nothing less.
you just want to argue here, right?What duty do I have to a country on the other side of the world with a screwed up government?
well, i think, what happens in china affects you, too. doesn't it?
besides, we're all human. If you feel responsible for your country, why not for the world?You're ignorant because you don't think the situation is worse than it really is. I have at least watched videos of the situation and constantly update myself on the latest dick-move done by China. Whether I do something about it or not is not relevant to this discussion.
yeah…you're constantly update yourself, so you can badmoth about it. You're such an educated man.
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when did i say something was funny? also how is it not special?
Ugh, it's just an expression. I already said it's only treated as special because it's one of the more famous countries due to being a world power. However there are many countries like it Sri Lanka, Zimbabwe, Iran. China's more grandscale.
so why can you make a comparison with Johnny and Jimmy?
you don't get the point here. It's not about what he did, but what the reaction is.I was comparing two human beings as I'd compare two countries. You're comparing a human being to a county. And you're not understanding that your attempted metaphor is totally awful. If all China did was murder and rape one person, I would feel sorry for it if it were related to me. Do you understand now why this comparison is stupid?
yes, it does. please, when did i ever said it doesn't or implied it after the post, where i said i just felt aggrieved. Nothing more, nothing less.
you just want to argue here, right?You're the one who started arguing because of the China-bashing and I'm here to tell you tough luck being aggrieved. You got pissed at me bad-mouthing China and confronted me about it and now you're just going "Whhops, never mind me and trying to go out the door." Seriously, you should have never jumped into this debate with half-hearted convictions.
well, i think, what happens in china affects you, too. doesn't it?
besides, we're all human. If you feel responsible for your country, why not for the world?You're stupid. And naive. Everyone in the world is a superman.
yeah…you're constantly update yourself, so you can badmoth about it. You're such an educated man.
also, if it's not relevant, why did you call me out to do it than?No, because it's within my interests to know the actions of a shitty country. Also I never said you should do anything. I said that Chinese citizens are going to continue suffering because the majority have your passive attitude.
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@Thousand:
Ugh, it's just an expression. I already said it's only treated as special because it's one of the more famous countries due to being a world power. However there are many countries like it Sri Lanka, Zimbabwe, Iran. China's more grandscale.
and that's what i said, too.
I was comparing two human beings as I'd compare two countries. You're comparing a human being to a county. And you're not understanding that your attempted metaphor is totally awful. If all China did was murder and rape one person, I would feel sorry for it if it were related to me. Do you understand now why this comparison is stupid?
i see what you mean, but you seem to don't know what i mean.
you just say it's stupid and refuse being responsive.You're the one who started arguing because of the China-bashing and I'm here to tell you tough luck being aggrieved. You got pissed at me bad-mouthing China and confronted me about it and now you're just going "Whhops, never mind me and trying to go out the door." Seriously, you should have never jumped into this debate with half-hearted convictions.
first i complained that everybody was bashing on china. but i later i admitted that they indeed deserved and that i just defended them, because i felt offended. Than you came in and just continued to insult it and told me how i should feel and how i should behave. that's not a social way to behavem, although it's the truth. Everybody knows it.
You're stupid. And naive. Everyone in the world is a superman.
why am i stupid and naive now? you're just avoiding the question here.
No, because it's within my interests to know the actions of a shitty country. Also I never said you should do anything. I said that Chinese citizens are going to continue suffering because the majority have your passive attitude.
and what about your attitude? are you actually active? or are you just being hypocritical?
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Actually, how are the Uyghurs actually being abused, when they have been living together with the Han for over a thousand years?
And the whole "Uyghurs aren't getting fair business opportunities" argument is BS. There are more Han, so statistically they have more businesses, obviously.
Plus, why did Rebiya join the Communist Party if she was really against the government? And why did she start the whole campaign right after she was expelled and went to the US? And why aren't the other minorities in China complaining, and just Tibet and Uyghurstan?
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and that's what i said, too.
nope, i mean it's the only country which "officialy sucks" to the rest of the world, but has a chance in becoming the global power as such. Also a lot of other countries are depending on china, unlike most other countries which sucks. That's why it's special and gets that much attention.
Ad I'm telling you it's not a special place even if it is a world power.
i see what you mean, but you seem to don't know what i mean.
you just say it's stupid and refuse being responsive.It is stupid. The entire attempted metaphor is stupid. I've given you a list of things China has done. Any brother of mine who did all that deserves the bashings he get but you're not gonna find a person like that because that's stuff countries do not people.
first i complained that everybody was bashing on china. but i later i admitted that they indeed deserved and that i just defended them, because i felt offended. Than you came in and just continued to insult it and told me how i should feel and how i should behave. that's not a social way to behavem, although it's the truth. Everybody knows it.
I'm bashing China because it's on-topic to this thread. If you take offense to that and start arguing with me on that, it's not my fault. Also any good citizen should feel disgust at the atrocities their country is committing. If you're apathic or if you even take joy at violent oppression to your country's own citizens and to other neighboring countries then you're hardly the ideal citizen.
why am i stupid and naive now? you're just avoiding the question here.
Ugh, you really are a stupid, ignorant idealist. This is the real world, junior where people only give a shit about themselves and only the exceptional try to help other people let alone the entire world. Anyway this is irrelevant to the discussion anyway which is China and why it sucks.
and what about your attitude? are you actually active? or are you just being hypocritical?
My attitude is irrelevant as I'm not living in China and am not suffering under a dictatorship. What is relevant is the attitude of the Chinese people if they really want to alleviate their oppressors.
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@Thousand:
It is stupid. The entire attempted metaphor is stupid. I've given you a list of things China has done. Any brother of mine who did all that deserves the bashings he get but you're not gonna find a person like that because that's stuff countries do not people.
and i'm telling you again, that it's not about the action, but the reactions.
you don't have to necessary be a mass-murdering, despotic, paedophilic, raping, animal-slaughtering, Hannibal/Hitler/Saddam/Bashir combo to get a negative reaction from your fellow men. and that's where the point is.I'm bashing China because it's on-topic to this thread. If you take offense to that and start arguing with me on that, it's not my fault. Also any good citizen should feel disgust at the atrocities their country is committing. If you're apathic or if you even take joy at violent oppression to your country's own citizens and to other neighboring countries then you're hardly the ideal citizen.
i doubt your an ideal citizen, if you were partly chinese and living in germany your whole life. i even doubt your being the ideal citizen if you were chinese and lived there your whole life. but let me guess it's irrelevant. the subject is on me.
Ugh, you really are a stupid, ignorant idealist. This is the real world, junior where people only give a shit about themselves and only the exceptional try to help other people let alone the entire world. Anyway this is irrelevant to the discussion anyway which is China and why it sucks.
oh, gosh…did you really thought i demanded you to do that? i just asked you, because you called me ignorant in that matter, when you not a bit better.
My attitude is irrelevant as I'm not living in China and am not suffering under a dictatorship. What is relevant is the attitude of the Chinese people if they really want to alleviate their oppressors.
like i suspected. you're a hypocrite. you got the same attitude like me and yet you said "the attitude of yours". also don't tell me that there is difference in people of different countries.
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Actually, how are the Uyghurs actually being abused, when they have been living together with the Han for over a thousand years?
DId you put me on ignore of did you just ignore my post before in favor of more bullshit outright lies?
They have not been living with the Han for a thousand years. They have been living with the Han since the Ming conquered them, they tried becoming indapendant twice afterwards in times of upheaval and were lassoed back in by first the Nationalists then the Communists.Stalin and Mao conspired in having a plane full of Uyghur leaders crash so that the Uyghurs would be forced to give in to the commies for leaders.
Your cognitive dissonance is amazing.
And the whole "Uyghurs aren't getting fair business opportunities" argument is BS. There are more Han, so statistically they have more businesses, obviously.
And more Han are being shipped out to Xinjiang where the Uyghurs were by FAR the majority at the start of communist rule.
The government has made them a minority in their own region.Plus, why did Rebiya join the Communist Party if she was really against the government?
Hmm, why would an activist join the governmental body she wants to change the policies of. That's a real puzzle right there!
And why did she start the whole campaign right after she was expelled and went to the US?
She was expelled precisely for what she did later with the campaign. Speaking out on Uyghur rights. What do you think?
And why aren't the other minorities in China complaining, and just Tibet and Uyghurstan?
Maybe because the other minorities aren't recently conquered seperate states and have mostly been homogenized with the Han, like the former ruling ethnicity of the last dynasty, the Manchu. They also aren't distributed so largely in certain regions, and aren't victims of repression out of fear from the government for wishes for independance.
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I meant Qing conquered them, not Ming.
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and i'm telling you again, that it's not about the action, but the reactions.
you don't have to necessary be a mass-murdering, despotic, paedophilic, raping, animal-slaughtering, Hannibal/Hitler/Saddam/Bashir combo to get a negative reaction from your fellow men. and that's where the point is.Your point is that a person should feel as much concern for a country as you would for a brother when they do something bad. My point is that comparing the actions of a man and a country is like comparing the actions of an ant to a man and the comparison is stupid as it doesn't apply here or anywhere. If I did have a brother who forces women to have abortions, oppresses races of people, manipulates the media etc. you can bet I would bash him to hell.
i doubt your an ideal citizen, if you were partly chinese and living in germany your whole life. i even doubt your being the ideal citizen if you were chinese and lived there your whole life. but let me guess it's irrelevant. the subject is on me.
I'm pissed and angry about China already let alone if I was Chinese. Why do you think I bash it all the time? You have no idea how much that dog thing made me want to smash my foot in those commie bastards' mouths.
oh, gosh…did you really thought i demanded you to do that? i just asked you, because you called me ignorant in that matter, when you not a bit better.
You're ignorant because you don't know about the country of your own heritage. I've never been out of Europe and I'm more up-to-date on China than you.
ike i suspected. you're a hypocrite. you got the same attitude like me and yet you said "the attitude of yours". also don't tell me that there is difference in people of different countries.
My attitude is not relevant and your attitude's relevance is limited. Your attitude is that people should just wait for change to happen without doing anything. Most people in China have that exact same attitude which is why no change is going to happen. You as a person affect butt-kiss on the situation.
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@Thousand:
Your point is that a person should feel as much concern for a country as you would for a brother when they do something bad. My point is that comparing the actions of a man and a country is like comparing the actions of an ant to a man and the comparison is stupid as it doesn't apply here or anywhere. If I did have a brother who forces women to have abortions, oppresses races of people, manipulates the media etc. you can bet I would bash him to hell.
your thinking in the wrong relations here.
I'm pissed and angry about China already let alone if I was Chinese. Why do you think I bash it all the time? You have no idea how much that dog thing made me want to smash my foot in those commie bastards' mouths.
i hope you know that western countries do the same shit. i totally agree that it's inhuman and cruel, but nothing new.
also if you're that angry about china, why just bashing it? that won't make anything better.You're ignorant because you don't know about the country of your own heritage. I've never been out of Europe and I'm more up-to-date on China than you.
you called me ignorant for defending china, when i wasn't defending them.
My attitude is not relevant and your attitude's relevance is limited. Your attitude is that people should just wait for change to happen without doing anything. Most people in China have that exact same attitude which is why no change is going to happen. You as a person affect butt-kiss on the situation.
just like you…everything you said goes exact the same way for you. so stop refer it just to me. also i doubt that other countries would behave otherwise, if there is no justice and the governement can throw you into prison for everything you say against it.
also why is everything that goes in your direction irrelevant? could you actually answer my questions, please?
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your thinking in the wrong relations here.
I think you're confused.
i hope you know that western countries do the same shit. i totally agree that it's inhuman and cruel, but nothing new.
also if you're that angry about china, why just bashing it? that won't make anything better.Yes I know, there are plenty of other countries that piss me off, however we're discussing China here and as an animal lover, this particular thing really infuriated me.
you called me ignorant for defending china, when i wasn't defending them.
Saying we shouldn't bash it as much and telling us we should empathize on how a Chinese person would feel counts as defending. And I called you ignorant for not knowing enough about China and expecting everyone in the world to join hands and sing Kumbaya.
just like you…everything you said goes exact the same way for you. so stop refer it just to me. also i doubt that other countries would behave
otherwise, if there is no justice and the governement can throw you into prison for everything you say against it.I'm not understanding you here.
also why is everything that goes in your direction irrelevant? could you actually answer my questions, please?
Because I'm not Chinese nor have I ever been to China. The only thing that's relevant is China and the attitude of its citizens. The relevance of your attitude is restricted to whether it's similar or not to the majority of the Chinese population, a simple coincidence.
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Hey ignetownd, read this to see how happy and unoppressed the Uighurs are:D
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@Thousand:
I think you're confused.
i think you're the one, who's confused
Yes I know, there are plenty of other countries that piss me off, however we're discussing China here and as an animal lover, this particular thing really infuriated me.
well…we just found a similarity here. i'm a animal lover since my childhood and even turned vegetarian, so i can fully understand you here.
Saying we shouldn't bash it as much and telling us we should empathize on how a Chinese person would feel counts as defending. And I called you ignorant for not knowing enough about China and expecting everyone in the world to join hands and sing Kumbaya.
i just said i won't join you bashing china. i even admitted that you were correct. that wasn't defending. and when did i said that everybody should join hands? i know it's bullshit. i just said that you could do something if you're angered, rather than telling me that i should do something, when we're in the same position.
I'm not understanding you here.
my point here is that you've got the same attitude as me, but you're playing the good guy here.
and that the citizens of every other country would behave the same way, if they had a governement like this.Because I'm not Chinese nor have I ever been to China. The only thing that's relevant is China and the attitude of its citizens. The relevance of your attitude is restricted to whether it's similar or not to the majority of the Chinese population, a simple coincidence.
so you're making a difference between people here? you are as much relevant as me, even if you're not as much chinese as i am.
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Why are you two arguing, on 95% percent of the points you agree with each other…
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DId you put me on ignore of did you just ignore my post before in favor of more bullshit outright lies?
They have not been living with the Han for a thousand years. They have been living with the Han since the Ming conquered them, they tried becoming indapendant twice afterwards in times of upheaval and were lassoed back in by first the Nationalists then the Communists.
Stalin and Mao conspired in having a plane full of Uyghur leaders crash so that the Uyghurs would be forced to give in to the commies for leaders.
Your cognitive dissonance is amazing.
And more Han are being shipped out to Xinjiang where the Uyghurs were by FAR the majority at the start of communist rule.
The government has made them a minority in their own region.
Hmm, why would an activist join the governmental body she wants to change the policies of. That's a real puzzle right there!
She was expelled precisely for what she did later with the campaign. Speaking out on Uyghur rights. What do you think?
Maybe because the other minorities aren't recently conquered seperate states and have mostly been homogenized with the Han, like the former ruling ethnicity of the last dynasty, the Manchu. They also aren't distributed so largely in certain regions, and aren't victims of repression out of fear from the government for wishes for independance.
Even if they weren't what the fuck is your logic here, "oh why cant the Tibetans and Uyghurs be good little minorities!". You serious? Shit.Alright, I see what's going on here. The spread of misinformation and lies.
Anyway, the Uighur ancestors have been part of Chinese Society since their founding 300 BC. During this time, the Qin were in power, and their society has long been established. Taking a look at the Uighur art and culture, they're a part of China.
Anyway, so what if the Uyghur gain their "independence"? They're still bonded economically and socially to China. Actually, so is Taiwan, Korea, Japan, Mongolia, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Thailand, Burma, Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, and the Phillipines. Wouldn't it be great for them all to be one country?
If that were the case, then the government should be a confederacy, since a supreme central power would be too inefficient.
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so, if I don't wanna call poo stinky, that means it's not, right?
I have troubles following politics, so these tidbits are kinda interesting.
Yeah, if you don't want to call it stinky, then don't. If it stinks to others, well, they can call it whatever they want, but it's not their right to enforce their opinions on you.
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Yeah, if you don't want to call it stinky, then don't. If it stinks to others, well, they can call it whatever they want, but it's not their right to enforce their opinions on you.
You know we're talking about a piece of shit here?
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You say it's shit, I say it's fertilizer. You say it stinks, I say it's fecund.
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You say it's shit, I say it's fertilizer. You say it stinks, I say it's fecund.
You're stupid.
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Anyway, so what if the Uyghur gain their "independence"? They're still bonded economically and socially to China. Actually, so is Taiwan, Korea, Japan, Mongolia, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Thailand, Burma, Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, and the Phillipines. Wouldn't it be great for them all to be one country?
Wow. That's like the worst idea ever.
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Resistance is futile, assimilate today
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Alright, I see what's going on here. The spread of misinformation and lies.
Said the guy trusting sources of a dictatorship.
Anyway, the Uighur ancestors have been part of Chinese Society since their founding 300 BC.
What the fuck are you talking about no they haven't. The first time they were conquered into the Chinese state was by the Qing. Try the 1700's fool. You don't even have to bother defending the Qing using your race based sensitivity here, they were Manchurian not Han.
The Uyghur ancestors had various states and so forths that were on again off again allies and enemies of the various chinese dynasties. Were conquered by a few neighbors like the Mongols. Were conquered by China.
During this time, the Qin were in power, and their society has long been established. Taking a look at the Uighur art and culture, they're a part of China.
Bwahahahaha.
By this logic Korea and Japan are part of China. And most south eastern Asian cultures as well.Anyway, so what if the Uyghur gain their "independence"? They're still bonded economically and socially to China.
At least they won't have foreigners pumped into their cities and making them have next to zero social mobility in theri own land. Coolio!
Oh, and can practice their religion freely.Actually, so is Taiwan, Korea, Japan, Mongolia, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Thailand, Burma, Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, and the Phillipines. Wouldn't it be great for them all to be one country?
Yeah I can't imagine why countries like Japan, South Korea and Taiwan would not want to become one with places like Laos and Burma.
And I love how your just roping in all these social democracies with military dicatatorships like it only matters that they're all east asian.
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Those bastards. How can a full nation be so cruel…. Clear proofs of... WAIT!
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Man protects child only way he can. It's sad.
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whoa thats worst then a H mob and if you dont know what a H mob is i'll tell you- okay i'll tell you what happen to my brothers friend was at the thing with the ferris wheel a festival like thing they looked at his back or some where and seen the "maili boy" tattoo and bam! chasing him catch him pull his shirt over his head then beat the shit out of him and then he want home on thebus- and thats a H mob
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What surprises me is the daughter was taken first. I can imagine a boy, but why a daughter?
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What surprises me is the daughter was taken first. I can imagine a boy, but why a daughter?
To "donate" to: a) wealthy Caucasian family, b) organ harvesters, c) raise a slave, d) medical testing. Hope it's a).
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what suprise's me is that this stupid reporter should go to hell and stay there