Oh yeah, moving from the sexual ideals of 1000 years ago to those of 2000 years ago is great progress. Science just wouldn't be where it is today if we weren't sticking out dicks in digestive systems.
Why your Religion is False?
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Oh yeah, moving from the sexual ideals of 1000 years ago to those of 2000 years ago is great progress. Science just wouldn't be where it is today if we weren't sticking out dicks in digestive systems.
Are you saying you hate oral sex?
You fucking loser.
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Actually, I was thinking of anal sex. But I really should forgive you for making that mistake.
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Actually, I was thinking of anal sex. But I really should forgive you for making that mistake.
Anal sex grosses me out, but I'm not some tard who will legislate against it.
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Neither am I. Just because it's disgusting doesn't mean it's any of my damned business.
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interestingly enough, theists dont have a problem with it if its between a married man and woman.
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anyone one ever read subnormality? http://www.viruscomix.com/page433.html
interesting.
i should add, it kinda leans towards the side of the atheist a little.
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@MB.:
If someone chooses to lead an unproductive and meaningless life that's on them.
dude, you caught us. People who believe in religion do nothing all day but worship our gods, seriously right now is my 10 minutes a day that I have off from praying and reading the bible. I don't go to school or have a job or help anybody or do anything nice. I just worship god all day long…
Do you know who's helping the people in africa by giving them food? MISSIONARIES. Do you know who supports them? The religion that they're teaching people in africa. Just because you're an atheist doesn't make you some genius, world changer. most are average joes with the exact same job as religious people who work until retirement and then die. HOLY SHIT YOU SERIOUSLY CHANGED THE WORLD! I don't know what we could've done if some guy who is currently homeless got that job instead of you. I mean you deserve it more though since your life is so meaningfull. I'm not saying you're a bad person because you're an athiest, some of my friends are, but if you're no help then why are you bashing others?
It's when they start passing legislation to stop the scientific community from moving human civilization forward like the ban on stem cell research, create laws to prevent us from doing things like say…anal sex and gay marriage, and try to impede on free speech as a way of preserving their own little world of make believe from people who have a clue that I then find a problem with allowing participation in these cults.
dude you caught us again. I hate gay people and think science is the devils work, had I been present at that video I would have called the KKK to have him hanged…
I don't want to ban religion. Just the ones that fuck with people's everyday lives via lobbyists and campaign funding.
I can't really argue with your opinion on it, but I think you should know that it also helps a lot of people. I know very few religious people who would try and shove their religion down someone's throat.
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I can't really argue with your opinion on it, but I think you should know that it also helps a lot of people. I know very few religious people who would try and shove their religion down someone's throat.
Ever been to Kansas? A pro lifer just happened to shoot and kill a doctor who worked at an abortion clinic while the doctor was IN A CHURCH.
http://www.kansas.com/news/breaking/story/833730.html
Those missionaries in Africa sure are doing a great job spreading the word of God. They're even following in religion's footsteps with their very own WITCH BURNINGS.
WARNING: EXTREMELY DISTURBING VIDEO FOR THOSE WHO AREN'T USED TO THIS KIND OF STUFF
http://www.nothingtoxic.com/media/1236902087/Supected_Kenyan_Witches_Horrifically_Burned_Alive
These are just recent things I pulled out of my ass. Religion has an entire history of fucking the world over. Do missionaries helping HIV+ Africans make up for the spanish inquisition? Does protecting the unborn make up for the crusuades? Does letting the world know that God hates fags make up for the fact that well….your god hates fags?
For every good thing you show me that religion has done I will show you a suicide bomber, a pro life extremist, a genocide, a divided nation, a war, an orphan, and a pope who was a member of Hitler Youth.
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interestingly enough, theists dont have a problem with it if its between a married man and woman.
This is true. Herackles personally interviewed all of them.
Does letting the world know that God hates fags make up for the fact that well….your god hates fags?
Fuck the people who put words in its mouth. And fuck whatever it is if it actually hates people for being homosexual.
Do missionaries helping HIV+ Africans make up for the spanish inquisition? Does protecting the unborn make up for the crusuades?
You've joined the ranks of Herackles.
Who (in their right mind) said ANYTHING makes up for those?
I mean honestly. What kind of question is that? Are you fucking thick?
Nothing 'makes up' for them. But how far back are you willing to go holding something against a group because of things they did in the past.
It's even more pathetic to blame selfless acts in modern history for not being able to 'make up' for something. As if those individuals really intended it to be in compensation for the horrific deaths of millions of people throughout history.
Goddamn! I mean it's one thing to be an atheist. It's an entirely other beast to be vehemetly angry frothing at the mouth nutsack screaming for retribution that can never make up for lost life.
So would you contend that by helping AIDs victims, protecting unborns (personally I don't give a fuck if someone has an abortion or not), donating food and money to destitute families and volunteering in the community is actually a useless or dare I say bad thing since it isn't making up for the irreplaceable?
Ever been to Kansas? A pro lifer just happened to shoot and kill a doctor who worked at an abortion clinic while the doctor was IN A CHURCH.
For every good thing you show me that religion has done I will show you a suicide bomber, a pro life extremist, a genocide, a divided nation, a war, an orphan, and a pope who was a member of Hitler Youth.
This just in! Today marks a milestone event in history as every atheist EVER was finally confirmed to be completely 100% mentally stable and never did something batshit insane.
This discovery has finally given the right to all atheists the world over to say, "Neener neener neeeeener!", while crossing their eyes and pointing since this proves the famous battle between atheists and theists: "Well You Did More Bad Stuff So We Should Blame You- NO Way! You Guys Did Worser Stuff So You're The Wrong One! Nuh-Uh, I'm Telling Mom!"
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God created homosexuality. He created because He believes in freedom and variety. (By the way, why is God referred to as He? God's neither male nor female)
Anyway, humans are still a work in progress. Perhaps, when we are strong as Superman, have the ability to read minds, and see into the past, present and future, we may be beings in God's image.
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(By the way, why is God referred to as He? God's neither male nor female)
Could be. I personally don't think it is but that's certainly a possibility.
If God is perfect all it needs is two X chromosomes right? wink wink nudge nudge
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@MB.:
For every good thing you show me that religion has done I will show you a suicide bomber, a pro life extremist, a genocide, a divided nation, a war, an orphan, and a pope who was a member of Hitler Youth.
Same goes for everything else in this world, smart ass.
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Could be. I personally don't think it is but that's certainly a possibility.
If God is perfect all it needs is two X chromosomes right? wink wink nudge nudge
Makes sense if priests vow celibacy, it is because they are married to God. Yeah, I know. They are celibate because they try to avoid sin at all costs.
I've actually viewed that in our eyes, God is perfect, but God doesn't see God's self that way. God created the universe so that God could be be closer to completion of God's self.
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Well I attack actual religions straight from the books. When you see me insulting religion its "infallible" philosophies of the bible, torah and quaram, not you guys and your random ideas that your pastor brought up that you thought were cool.
you guys claim the media and athiests are doing a lot of damage to your reputations as theists by bringing up the past, but its only because they want to remind people what happens if you value celestial dictatorship over reason and science.
Also, I bet none of you guys could list a single wicked quote from a secularist.
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Well I attack actual religions straight from the books. When you see me insulting religion its "infallible" philosophies of the bible, torah and quaram, not you guys and your random ideas that your pastor brought up that you thought were cool.
Says the guy who doesn't even know what religion is…
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Says the guy who doesn't even know what religion is…
not trusting it and not knowing it are two different things.
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not trusting it and not knowing it are two different things.
You don't trust what you can't define at all?
This is serious….
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Well I attack actual religions straight from the books. When you see me insulting religion its "infallible" philosophies of the bible, torah and quaram, not you guys and your random ideas that your pastor brought up that you thought were cool.
My pastor?
I don't go to church ^O^ Fuck that shit!
they want to remind people what happens if you value celestial dictatorship over reason and science.
Yeah, otherwise it'd be so easy to forget human genocide in history.
"Daddy! Tell me the one about the Nazi's again!"
"Oh okay, but only so you don't forget. Then it's off to slumberland for you snoogins!"
Also, I bet none of you guys could list a single wicked quote from a secularist.
Why in the hell would I even want to resort to tit-for-tat bullshit playground tactics like that? Who do you think I am? Herackles?
Let's just imagine for a second that I went to Google and did a search on: "Secularist + Batshit-Insane-Mental-Case" and came up with some cocksucker with a theory that church and state should be separated at all costs, even if it meant eliminating people.
What would that do?
What satisifaction would that give you?
What satisifaction would it give me?
Then what? You give me some Fundamentalist-fuck's drivel?
And I give you some FSM passive aggressive bullshit?
Where does it end?
Just accept that there are fucking crazy people of all walks of life and because they're INSANE they're the ones that stand out and make headlines.
ok, youre right. I'm done here. Laters people.
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Do missionaries helping HIV+ Africans make up for the spanish inquisition? Does protecting the unborn make up for the crusuades?
quite frankly i dont give a flying fuck about any of that
when i secretly donated my roommate's large supply of ramen to the food drive, it wasn't because of some DEEP SEEDED REGRET ABOUT SOME GUYS THAT KILLED SOME GUYS THAT JUST HAPPENED TO BE FUELED BY POLITICS-INDUCED RADICALISM
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Also, I bet none of you guys could list a single wicked quote from a secularist.
Oh wow, you're an idiot.
“It is always more difficult to fight against faith than against knowledge” Adolf Hitler
Death solves all problems - no man, no problem-Joseph Stalin
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Well I attack actual religions straight from the books. When you see me insulting religion its "infallible" philosophies of the bible, torah and quaram, not you guys and your random ideas that your pastor brought up that you thought were cool.
you guys claim the media and athiests are doing a lot of damage to your reputations as theists by bringing up the past, but its only because they want to remind people what happens if you value celestial dictatorship over reason and science.
Also, I bet none of you guys could list a single wicked quote from a secularist.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pol_potThere's nothing that pisses me off more then the scapegoating bullshit you and MB. are pulling right now.
You honestly stupidly think the negatives of humanity and society conveniently are natural products of whatever it is you hate.What a nice lie that is. I wish I could pull the wool over my eyes like that.
"corruption = religion", "war = religion", "genocide = religion".Political entities and mob mentality creating attrocity? Holy shit dudes, you cracked the code!
“It is always more difficult to fight against faith than against knowledge”http://thinkexist.com/i/sq/as5.gif Adolf Hitler
Hitler was Christian.
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Hitler was Christian.
Correct. However he separated the church and the state, which is what secularism means.
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People fail to understand that humans are behind wars behind genocides and horrible stuff… And why do you MB post that kind of stuff... It's really disgusting. It's disgusting enough to write about it. Yes shit like that happens. Should religion be blamed for that? Or don't you think that humans will find another excuse for the atrocities they want to commit... Anyway this stuff doesn't belong in this thread.
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Oh wow, you're an idiot.
“It is always more difficult to fight against faith than against knowledge”[qimg]http://thinkexist.com/i/sq/as5.gif[/qimg] Adolf Hitler
not a wicked quote however much the person was. I agree that its tougher to take down faith, seeing as though they don't require evidence and thier arguments are infallible. It's like trying to pull a trolley with your teeth.
Death solves all problems - no man, no problem-Joseph Stalin
Stalin was not a secular figure. The russian orthodox church of which he was once a small part of (and had always kept on his side) now recognises him as an icon. They are very much theists.
Give me a quote from someone well known who held the position: "let's kill these fuckers in the name of.. uhh.. oh yeah we don't believe in celestial dicatorship.."
[There's nothing that pisses me off more then the scapegoating bullshit you and MB. are pulling right now.
You honestly stupidly think the negatives of humanity and society conveniently are natural products of whatever it is you hate.What a nice lie that is. I wish I could pull the wool over my eyes like that.
"corruption = religion", "war = religion", "genocide = religion".Well that is how most people have ever been slaughtered. I understand that was all in the past however.
Political entities and mob mentality creating attrocity? Holy shit dudes, you cracked the code!
It's when they use flexible, invisible evidence to justify attrocities that gets people angry. There's really no other reason to get pissed off.](There's nothing that pisses me off more then the scapegoating bullshit you and MB. are pulling right now.
You honestly stupidly think the negatives of humanity and society conveniently are natural products of whatever it is you hate.What a nice lie that is. I wish I could pull the wool over my eyes like that.
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Hitler was Christian.
Hitler was born and raised as a Christian, but he abandoned it late in his life.
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Hitler was born and raised as a Christian, but he abandoned it late in his life.
Man, I swear. The guy that denied him his art school admission… Think of all that could have been avoided.
Admission Board Members are the real monsters.
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Hitler was born and raised as a Christian, but he abandoned it late in his life.
Hitler never did this but nice try.
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Hitler was born and raised as a Christian, but he abandoned it late in his life.
A bit off topic but I'm just gonna mention that I dont believe in this "born with a religion" bullshit. Everyone who has ever lived was born agnostic and then decides what they want to follow depending on thier own experiences. There is nothing to suggest otherwise.
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Man, I swear. The guy that denied him his art school admission… Think of all that could have been avoided.
Stalin was way worse than Hitler in sheer number of people killed, but we tend to overlook that in the history books because he was sort of kind of our ally. Or something.
And Pol Pot.
Hell. The English spent a couple hundred years wiping out native american indians… I mean "Settling the wild west." But we skim over that too.
Yeah Hitler was a huge ass, but he's hardly the worst history has to offer in terms of atrocity or actual number of people killed.
Scary, aint it, that world views on history can be so distorted by those who end up writing the history books... (and/or bibles)
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Nothing like genocide to put things into perspective…
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I have two basic problems with religion:
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Considering that Stephen can't even put the worms of "pirate's summit" back in the can, on content that the original can be readily verified, how can we hope to be accurate on a document translated hundreds of times and full of subtlety?
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Why can't religion know when and where to keep its nose out of things? Specifically, science and the operation of the state.
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Can't prove a negative, he made the claim it's on him.
It's an absurd claim to make though; or at least a horrible example to use. Regardless of what Hitler said in Mein Kampf or some propaganda, he was not a Christian. His perspective and misinterpretation of the Bible alone are enough to conclude that the idea of him being a practicing Christian is ridiculous. Just because someone claims they are something, doesn't make it so. I have seen you call people out for similar claims before due to their skewed perspective on what that something is and/or for lacking the proper knowledge or ability to even comprehend what they are claiming. Simply put, he was using the Bible and the religious practices of the nation (Catholic/Christian, right?) to fuel his own belief's and actions. Of course, I don't consider myself an expert on this topic, but I have read some (small) portions of Mein Kampf before and have seen the particular quotes that "confirm" his "faith". They just don't line up with the Bible; not to mention the guy isn't exactly a man of integrity, and his actions completely disprove such a claim. Most of those quotes come from the early to mid thirties anyway. His later stuff (40's) condemns Christianity as being connected to and created by the Jews. I'd sooner claim Herackles is a missionary in Africa…
At least, that's what I recall from the research paper I wrote back in High School. Urr, here's a quote of his from the 40's: "The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death […] When understanding of the universe has become widespread […] Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity […]" ~Hitler's Table Talk
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@robbybevard:
Stalin was way worse than Hitler in sheer number of people killed, but we tend to overlook that in the history books because he was sort of kind of our ally. Or something.
I don't think it's so much that, though it is true that some politicans & journalists took that view.
When the allies went across europe, they found the concentration camps, the condition of people there was filmed, and everything broadcast in the light of day, and it horrified people.
Conversely, Stalin's purges were commited internally, in a mostly closed off country over which he wielded total control, and the country remained that way for decades after his death, so for a lot of people, while terrible, the deaths were just numbers that didn't really connect emotionally. If Khrushchev hadn't found it politically expediant to speak out about it, we'd probably know even less then we do.
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Conversely, Stalin's purges were commited internally, in a mostly closed off country over which he wielded total control, and the country remained that way for decades after his death, so for a lot of people, while terrible, the deaths were just numbers that didn't really connect emotionally.
I thought part of Stalin's numbers were also due to mismanagement and starvation, rather than 1000% malice.
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Somewhat, but at least 700,000 people were executed, and that's thought to be at the very low end of what actually happened. Most people believe it's far, far higher. It's probable that many people also died due to the race to keep up with the americans in the military sphere, which greatly taxed the soviet union financially(and before anyone says anything, no I don't believe the silly claims that Regan's insane military spending caused the breakup of the soviet union - slightly hastened it though).
Here's an interesting link that shows the insane kind of numbers that many believe died.
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he was not a Christian. His perspective and misinterpretation of the Bible alone are enough to conclude that the idea of him being a practicing Christian is ridiculous.
Oh so your using the tired "well he was doing it wrong so he's not one" angle.
Nobody was talking about how good or bad of a christian he was, which is the only context in which what your attempting would work.Just because someone claims they are something, doesn't make it so.
A belief system isn't a matter of genetics.
His later stuff (40's) condemns Christianity as being connected to and created by the Jews. I'd sooner claim Herackles is a missionary in Africa…
Cite these "stuffs".
At least, that's what I recall from the research paper I wrote back in High School. Urr, here's a quote of his from the 40's: "The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death […] When understanding of the universe has become widespread […] Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity […]" ~Hitler's Table Talk
Table Talk, I knew this one was coming up.
It's hardly considered a valid source, the author is plagued with accusations of forgery.
Even therein how can we tell those are anti-christian and not just anti-organized religion?
Look at the way it has him talking about jesus.Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism the destroyer. Nevertheless, the Galilean, who later was called Christ, intended something quite different. He must be regarded as a popular leader who too up His position against Jewry. Galilee was a colony where the Romans had probably installed Gallic legionaries, and it's certain that Jesus was not a Jew. The Jews, by the way, regarded Him as the son of a whore– of a whore and a Roman soldier.
He even refers to Judaism as Christianity in this, as in prior to Jesus.
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You become a catholic when you are baptized. As far as i know hitler was baptized so he is a catholic.
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Aren't Christians people who accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior?
Hitler was deranged and sinned in every way possible. Seven deadly sins, mortal sins, vices, direct violation of all of the 10 Commandments, you name it, he's probably done it.
Well, he's still a Christian, technically. However, this was really a front to hold support from the Roman Catholic Church. His "true" god was Germany itself.
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It's an absurd claim to make though; or at least a horrible example to use. Regardless of what Hitler said in Mein Kampf or some propaganda, he was not a Christian. His perspective and misinterpretation of the Bible alone are enough to conclude that the idea of him being a practicing Christian is ridiculous. Just because someone claims they are something, doesn't make it so. I have seen you call people out for similar claims before due to their skewed perspective on what that something is and/or for lacking the proper knowledge or ability to even comprehend what they are claiming. Simply put, he was using the Bible and the religious practices of the nation (Catholic/Christian, right?) to fuel his own belief's and actions.
-10 respect points brennen usually your argument style is very crisp but I guess only on onepiece are you a genius, this is some old bs. Hitler was as Christian as any other so called believer. If your evidence against it is that he has a different perspective of the bible than what you or many others well that is just to bad and no justification at all. I assume you probably claim to be Christian based on your defense and I bet I could find any number of things that would disqualify you(assuming the above was true if not it doesn't matter and just replace the you noun as one) or anyone else as a good Christian in some groups eyes. The entire thing is subjective and changes from region to region from time to time. If your evidence is that he said bad things about Christianity well so did Mother Teresa and she is on the fast track to sainthood. It just goes to my point that it is entirely subjective and if we accept anyone who says that they are Christian as Christian than we must accept the fact the Hitler was Christian. If you want cites I will provide them but I was running long and didn't want to hurt your preconcieved notions to much as I do respect your posts on one piece lore.
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Although he did a poor job of illustrating it I think the point brennen.exe is trying to make here is that what a person claims to believe isn't necessarily what he truly believes. Hitler may have claimed to be a Christian but that may have just been a ploy for him to justify his actions and manipulate others.
Of course their is no real way of proving this because all we have to go on are his own claims but it's still something to consider.
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I am not an expert but since when did it matter if Hitler was christian or not! The main point is that he didn't use the religion like a bin laden does, he created his own dogma - social nationalism and was in fact a secularist because he didn't give the church any power.
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You become a catholic when you are baptized. As far as i know hitler was baptized so he is a catholic.
He sure didn't live a Catholic lifestyle, that's for sure.
NTM, he had a hatred for Catholics and had them murdered in concentration camps along with the Jews and everybody else he deemed inferior to the Arian race. Catholic? Pbbbt.
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If anything they have General Tso's Chicken going for themsel-….
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Give me a quote from someone well known who held the position: "let's kill these fuckers in the name of.. uhh.. oh yeah we don't believe in celestial dicatorship.."
… I don't know if I'm being trolled or not but...
Hitler: Let's kill these Jews in the name of Social Darwinism.
Stalin: Let's kill these Russians in the name of the Five Year Plan/Purges.
Mao:Let's kill these Chinese in the name of The Great Leap Forward
Pol Pot: Let's kill fucking everyone in the name of Year Zero.
It's an absurd claim to make though; or at least a horrible example to use. Regardless of what Hitler said in Mein Kampf or some propaganda, he was not a Christian. His perspective and misinterpretation of the Bible alone are enough to conclude that the idea of him being a practicing Christian is ridiculous. Just because someone claims they are something, doesn't make it so. I have seen you call people out for similar claims before due to their skewed perspective on what that something is and/or for lacking the proper knowledge or ability to even comprehend what they are claiming. Simply put, he was using the Bible and the religious practices of the nation (Catholic/Christian, right?) to fuel his own belief's and actions. Of course, I don't consider myself an expert on this topic, but I have read some (small) portions of Mein Kampf before and have seen the particular quotes that "confirm" his "faith". They just don't line up with the Bible; not to mention the guy isn't exactly a man of integrity, and his actions completely disprove such a claim. Most of those quotes come from the early to mid thirties anyway. His later stuff (40's) condemns Christianity as being connected to and created by the Jews. I'd sooner claim Herackles is a missionary in Africa…
At least, that's what I recall from the research paper I wrote back in High School. Urr, here's a quote of his from the 40's: "The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death […] When understanding of the universe has become widespread […] Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity […]" ~Hitler's Table Talk
The thing about this is that it's very hard to determine if Hitler's a Christian or not, given the very conflicting messages he gave in whatever propaganda campaign he was running at the time. We only really know Hitler through Mien Kampf and through his speeches, and neither of these are hundred per cent credible because they were both done for a giant propaganda campaign. As you say Mien Kampf does contain elements that suggest Hitler was Christian but you have to remember that it was created to better help the German people understand him for the 1928 election. I.E it was full of propaganda and thus cannot be completely trusted as a reference source into Hitler's head.
Anyway, regardless if Hitler was a Christian or not he was definetly a secularist which means my initial point still stands.
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You become a catholic when you are baptized. As far as i know hitler was baptized so he is a catholic.
By this logic I'm a catholic.
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I can assure you Magnetic Monkey doesn't know a damned thing about the subject. Catholics have their own church just like all the REAL Christain sects. I seriously doubt the First Babtist Church is just some recruitment drive for Catholics.
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I can assure you Magnetic Monkey doesn't know a damned thing about the subject. Catholics have their own church just like all the REAL Christain sects. I seriously doubt the First Babtist Church is just some recruitment drive for Catholics.
Conspiracynut your ability to understand posts on this forum amaze me :)
@Jakarta if you were baptized then yes by that logic you are a catholic? Even if you never go to the church! But maybe the priest who teached me that was really wrong.