Western Comics thread

Sano

To me, Scott is a little bit of an ass and to qoute Logan from the first chapter of the book "So tell me… Which stage of grieving is this? Denial?"

There is one part between Emma and Scott that give me a chuckle they were talking about Kitty not trusting Emma and Scott said something. Then Emma said "You will never see me naked again."

I did like aspect of Kitty not trusting Emma that much. Since their problem goes back all the way back when both characters were first introduce (Since they both are introduce in Uncanny X-Men #129).

Well I do got some good news my younger sister is going to give me $15 for my brithday. So I know for sure I will order Book 2 this weekend and Might order Book 3 as well. So that I can order Book 4 in July with ether Essental X-Men Vol. 1 or find something that you guys reccomend.

I'm going to wait for Book 5 (Ghost Box) to be release in Paperback before getting it

Dark Lord Zenigame

@RuNa:

I personally find Astonishing to be quite terrible (especially with what they do to a few characters

Yay, someone else agrees with me!

As for Mighty Avengers, I really DID NOT like the opening arc. It shows how much of a boner Bendis gets for the goddamn wasp (Seriously? The Best Avenger? Are you kidding me?). Ares is VERY good here, though, and I have to read it for Ms. Marvel.

Yeah, the first arc was kind of really not good… though it improves after that one.

@Tizoc:

What didn't you like about it? …and please don't say it made Cyclops interesting, he's been interesting since 2001 >=(

Ugh. I HATE what they've done to Cyclops over the years. He's never been one of my favorites, but I could at least appreciate how he was "the most moral and upstanding of men." He was kind of a dick, but that's because he was an uberstrict by-the-books kind of guy and that tended to rub others the wrong way. Not my favorite, but I could at least respect the character.

But now he's an adulterer and an utter asshole, who's sending kids on Black Ops-style death missions. What the FUCK!?

I mean, X-Force (and Cable, thanks to the current crossover thing) is the only X-book that's not utter trash nowadays, but I am not at all happy with the idea that "dark and gritty" is needed to make characters interesting. -_-

@RuNa:

Actualy, I don't even really read the main X-books anymore because of the whole Xavier situation, Cyclops is just icing on the cake that I don't want.

Yes.

As for the overcheesecake in the first Mighty Avengers arc, I took that as Bendis playing to Cho's art since he's a pervert who likes drawing boobies more than anything. Hence girlUltron(lolwut) and all that crap.

Anyways RuNa, you should probably check out Slott's current run on Mighty. It's all about giving Pym a much-deserved shot into the spotlight, and also happens to be the only Avengers book to actually feel like the Avengers in a long, long time.

And this is coming from someone who actually likes New Avengers.

gogoedward

This last week I pretty much enjoyed overall. Muppet Show is rockin' and WW, GL and the Super books are all really good. The Gotham Underground one shot tie in to BFTC was really good too, can't wait for Gotham Sirens!!!

http://dcublog.dccomics.com/2009/05/04/i-am-batgirl/

^I'm not jumping to conclusions, it could very well be a red herring. But in the mean time I'll take solace in that it's Cass' costume. :D Come August we'll know for sure, but for now I'll take was I can get.

Tizoc

@Dark:

Ugh. I HATE what they've done to Cyclops over the years. He's never been one of my favorites, but I could at least appreciate how he was "the most moral and upstanding of men." He was kind of a dick, but that's because he was an uberstrict by-the-books kind of guy and that tended to rub others the wrong way. Not my favorite, but I could at least respect the character.

Ironically some would say that's why they didn't like him.

But now he's an adulterer and an utter asshole, who's sending kids on Black Ops-style death missions. What the FUCK!?

You need to remember that there is no time for compromise at their current situation what with the mutant race near extinction. Furthermore, X-23 despite being young as she is, is as deadly as Wolverine, and hell the whole killing aspect doesn't seem to affect her much.
Also Elixir joined on his own accord, and from what's happened so far he's been a valuable asset. In fact I'm glad he's at least appearing in an X-Book and not left in obscurity (Rockslide, Mercury, Hellion, Surge, etc.)
…and wasn't Deathstroke out to kill the Teen Titans during their 80s series? I don't recall Bats or any of the JL telling them to disband the team with that guy out to kill them back then

I mean, X-Force (and Cable, thanks to the current crossover thing) is the only X-book that's not utter trash nowadays, but I am not at all happy with the idea that "dark and gritty" is needed to make characters interesting. -_-

I guess it has to do with 80s and how dark and gritty rekindled interest in comic books and characters.
In Cyke's case, it may be because of his goody two shoe-ness no one took him seriously, so writers decided to have him take off the kiddy gloves and start manning up.
I mean heck he isn't Superman, goody two shoe-ness works with him a lot more IMO.

As for the overcheesecake in the first Mighty Avengers arc, I took that as Bendis playing to Cho's art since he's a pervert who likes drawing boobies more than anything. Hence girlUltron(lolwut) and all that crap.

I thought Cho was all about DAT ASS.

Anyways RuNa, you should probably check out Slott's current run on Mighty. It's all about giving Pym a much-deserved shot into the spotlight, and also happens to be the only Avengers book to actually feel like the Avengers in a long, long time.

And this is coming from someone who actually likes New Avengers.

I'm rather enjoying all the Avengers books ATM, but its ridiculous how some Marvel fans just aren't enjoying Mighty ATM.

Refii

Mighty is retarded, they retconned a whole bunch of Inhumans and X-factor issues to bring Pietro back.
It's "let's make a random team of heroes as Pietro runs to lust after his sister who is actually Loki (a whole other mess right there) book." They're trying to turn it into the Ultimates.

Secret Warriors: Excellent
Dark Avengers: Very Good varying. Needs more Daken & Bullseye, because Bullseye made Thunderbolts: a great book; into an excellent book.
New Avengers: Very Good so far

The rest is insane. Every other book paints Norman as a goblin maniac, meanwhile in Dark Avengers and Thunderbolts he's under control, even if it is temporarily the case. Marvel needs to get its writers under control, because each of them want to paint each of the characters differently. I like how Osborn is written in Dark and Thunderbolts, pre-psychic terrorist attack, he had the Goblin under control, not to say it's gone, but its under control. This is the reason he owns Sentry. If he is just a maniac, Sentry would see this and not listen to him so humbly, million exploding suns = partial psychic powers = reading into Osborn's intentions.

Anyway, Wasp was made out to be this great hero so her death would mean more, that is all. I can't really justify any of this crossdressing/crossgender business Bendis has going on because I'm not a psychiatrist__.__

I've never liked Cyclops, and the whole Emma business never sat well with me. I am also unsatisfied that Wolverine was the only one to see the irony in boyscouts actions. I'm glad she's with Namor now =)

RuNa

@Refii:

The rest is insane. Every other book paints Norman as a goblin maniac, meanwhile in Dark Avengers and Thunderbolts he's under control, even if it is temporarily the case. Marvel needs to get its writers under control, because each of them want to paint each of the characters differently. I like how Osborn is written in Dark and Thunderbolts, pre-psychic terrorist attack, he had the Goblin under control, not to say it's gone, but its under control. This is the reason he owns Sentry. If he is just a maniac, Sentry would see this and not listen to him so humbly, million exploding suns = partial psychic powers = reading into Osborn's intentions.

Which other books are you talking about? He seems to be written consistently in all the books I read.

Sentry is following him because he is mentally unstable and more deattached then Dr. Manhattan. He believes (well…at one point) that Osborn could understand his situation because he went through the same thing. The end of issue 4, though, brings up a good point.

Refii

Cabal paints Norman as a leader that is ready to snap, mostly because it is Doom favoring.
I think Mighty Avengers as well.
Mostly anything that has to do with Emma Frost going into his brain. I've forgotten the issues, I'll try to look back on them and mention them specifically, because the difference between leader Iron Patriot and psycho Goblin Osborn are tremendous.

Ahh crap.. Vulcan just lost the war.

Jedi Master

Does anyone know any website where I can Amazing Spiderman chapters (all of them) an mabe only in summaries? I tried the oens where I download them, but they did not work.

Is t true that in New Avengers that theres some new Capt America?

KaizokuFan22

im reading the Superman|Batman books
Supergirl
Absolute Power
and Enemies Among us
also reading:
the World without a Superman
Superman and the legion of superheroes

Tizoc

@Refii:

Mighty is retarded, they retconned a whole bunch of Inhumans and X-factor issues to bring Pietro back.
It's "let's make a random team of heroes as Pietro runs to lust after his sister who is actually Loki (a whole other mess right there) book." They're trying to turn it into the Ultimates.

I haven't read X-Factor in a long time but I have read the one-shot where Pietro regains his powers. I dunno if he's been in X-Factor in the past ten or so issues, but I like the direction they're going with him in Mighty.
Plus fuck continuity.
…and unlike the Ultimates, THIS is written a lot better and easier to get into.
Furthermore, the roster is so random it's awesome-
Hank Pym (it's time to redeem his character)
Hercules
Amadeus Cho
US Agent
Vision II
Stature
Loki
So far they've done the thing that Avengers had been doing decades ago; be a superhero team, and work to save the day.
For one thing they don't seem to bicker with themselves so far, oh and the book is making Norman look like an idiot as opposed to other books. Though this is thanks to Loki controlling their every move.

The rest is insane. Every other book paints Norman as a goblin maniac, meanwhile in Dark Avengers and Thunderbolts he's under control, even if it is temporarily the case. Marvel needs to get its writers under control, because each of them want to paint each of the characters differently. I like how Osborn is written in Dark and Thunderbolts, pre-psychic terrorist attack, he had the Goblin under control, not to say it's gone, but its under control. This is the reason he owns Sentry.

After DA #4 I wonder who is going to own who :P

Anyway, Wasp was made out to be this great hero so her death would mean more, that is all. I can't really justify any of this crossdressing/crossgender business Bendis has going on because I'm not a psychiatrist__.__
Are you talking about the first story arc in Mighty or are you talking about Pym taking on the codename of Wasp?

RuNa- so far I only read Avengers 60 from the batch you sent me, I'll try to read the others later on.
TBH if I had read the previous 59 issues I'd get a much better understanding of Janet's actions, but geez….who in their fucking right mind would marry someone AND NOT KNOW THEIR REAL FUCKING NAME?!
60s comic books are whack, but man...Buscema's art is terrific, and that artwork of the Circus of Crime smoking was hilariously badass.

@Kaizoku- Dude get ready to have a headache; Supergirl got a different writer every other 6-10 issues, the way she is portrayed can confuse a guy @_@.
Also, read All-Star Superman & Superman: Brainiac, both are some of the best Superman stories I've read these past 2 years.

RuNa

@Tizoc:

So far they've done the thing that Avengers had been doing decades ago; be a superhero team, and work to save the day.

Yes, I do like this (got around to reading 21-24)

RuNa- so far I only read Avengers 60 from the batch you sent me, I'll try to read the others later on.
TBH if I had read the previous 59 issues I'd get a much better understanding of Janet's actions, but geez….who in their fucking right mind would marry someone AND NOT KNOW THEIR REAL FUCKING NAME?!
60s comic books are whack, but man...Buscema's art is terrific, and that artwork of the Circus of Crime smoking was hilariously badass.

Well SHE knows who it is…but nobody else does (like how she explains to Hawkeye how Yellowjacket, the person she married, is really Hank Pym with "a king-sized dose of accident induced schizophrenia"). Since she knew Hank wouldn't marry her under normal circumstances, she decided to abuse the situation and wait for him to be mentally unstable. Notice the VERY long period between 59 (should have sent you that one since it's where she decides that) and 228. THAT' A VERY LONG TIME. He was Yellowjacket the whole time (a codename he should never have used again) untill he went back to being normal.

@Kaizoku- Dude get ready to have a headache; Supergirl got a different writer every other 6-10 issues, the way she is portrayed can confuse a guy @_@.
Also, read All-Star Superman & Superman: Brainiac, both are some of the best Superman stories I've read these past 2 years.

Kaizoku, keep in mind that pretty much everything that happened before Sterling got on the title is retconned in some way or another.

KaizokuFan22

@RuNa:

Kaizoku, keep in mind that pretty much everything that happened before Sterling got on the title is retconned in some way or another.

Retconned?

is Sterling a comic artist? because so far Turner has some amazing artwork is this series

also..not sure if this goes under manga or not since its a US book(left to right), Im reading Maximum Ride by Narae Lee, but the character is one of James Pattersons since this is a Manga adaptation of the Max series
its making one to read the novel series myself since ive never read any of Pattersons books before. and this is New since it came out this year. so only 1 volume exists for now

amazon link of what i am reading
http://www.amazon.com/Maximum-Ride-Vol-Manga/dp/0759529515/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1242005631&sr=8-1

I cant believe Vol 2 is October..i really what to know what happens next

Tizoc

Why do I have a feeling that this series will be poking fun on some stuff that would make us cringe?

RuNa

Yeah….I dunno about this page seems like it's making fun of weeaboos or something (even though Grant was serious...eh, does he even read Japanese comics?)

Tizoc

I doubt much of the writers for comics do read Japanese comics let alone…current Japanese anime :P

Tizoc

WHY DO I NOT KNOW OF THIS?!

RuNa

Fanart?

Oh an don't forgot to email marvel using the address on the back of "Lockjaw and the Pet Avengers" to tell them how much you like the book and how you want more. It specifically asks for that.

I actually wish Lockjaw was my pet…although he is kinda big.

Ravager

SHY CRAZY LOLITA CANARY??

that the worst super hero name i ever heard of since the Thing

RuNa

I'm just going to chime in a copy a post I made at comicbloc about some MArvel solicits because they will make some people here happy:

YES!

So there's 2 Hulk series now?

Maybe I can start reading it again because of this:

INCREDIBLE HULK #601
Written by GREG PAK & FRED VAN LENTE
Penciled by ARIEL OLIVETTI & MICHAEL RYAN
Cover by ARIEL OLIVETTI
Variant Cover by ED MCGUINNESS
70th Frame Variant by MICHAEL GOLDEN
Gamma fans rejoice—the rumors are true! The INCREDIBLE HULK book returns as an ongoing series written by acclaimed "Planet Hulk" and WORLD WAR HULK scribe Greg Pak! Get ready for Bruce Banner as you've never seen him, the Son of Hulk in a whole new world of smash, and an insane new adventure that changes everything for everyone's favorite Green Goliath! With art by Ariel Olivetti (CABLE) and introducing a new, regular bonus backup "Savage She-Hulk" story written by Fred Van Lente and drawn by Michael Ryan!

Also, there seems to be a lot of M.J. in those Spiderman Solicits. Hmm….

Tizoc

Fucking hell YES.
Could you link to the source of that info please?

RuNa

@Tizoc:

Fucking hell YES.
Could you link to the source of that info please?

Loeb keeps writing Red Hulk as is, but once Hulk 600 starts up, the story splits with Banner Hulk taking the title "The Incredible Hulk" while Red Hulk just stays as "Hulk".

http://www.marvel.com/news/comicstories.8017.FIRST_LOOK~colon~_August_2009_Smashing_Previews

Tizoc

Sweet, but I guess this means no more Incerdible Hercules ;_;
I hope not though Herc's series is pretty good.

RuNa

@Tizoc:

Sweet, but I guess this means no more Incerdible Hercules ;_;
I hope not though Herc's series is pretty good.

? What are you talking about?

On the link I gave you, they have the solicits for 2 issues of The Incredible Hercules and it's the beginning of a new arc.

Tizoc

Actually I checked and you're right Incredible Herc isn't getting canceled w00t!

RuNa

Let me just get this out of the way and say that BFTC was terrible. Some of the tie-ins were pretty good (Arkham Asylum and The Network) but overall it was a waste.

You could tell Tony had about a week to write it after Winick screwed everything else up. Seriously, what was the point of it? Jason did absolutely nothing (unless he is the Black Mask now [which I think is very possible]). If he really went "over the edge" after hearing Batman's "message" then how come he waited so long to become his own Batman? Damian was a total chump until the last issue. Throughtout Batman and Son and RIP he was (although a little prick) badass. In BFTC, however, he's needing saved every five seconds and acting like a total dope. Catwoman is getting bitch-slapped in every issue….it's just terrible.

And, seriously, who did not see the ending coming? DC must think it's readers are total idiots because everyone called this more than a year ago and they think they are tricking us by not showing us who Red Robin is. Wow, that's real hard. CAN'T BE TIM…>_>

Buccaneer

Are you able to give a summary of that BftC issue? I planned on following the restarted Batman but I skipped that mini for now.

RuNa

@Buccaneer:

Are you able to give a summary of that BftC issue? I planned on following the restarted Batman but I skipped that mini for now.

Yes.

Also, If I were you, unless you plan on reading all of the Batman books next month (if you don't then) don't read Batman…read "Batman & Robin".

EDIT: Here you go, I uploaded it to megaupload:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ZF9BEW0T

Buccaneer

Wow, thanks. I do actually plan on reading all the Bat books (B&R is a no brainer, Detective seems like a no brainer, Paul Dini books deserve a chance, Outsiders is decent, Red Robin has Yost and Bachs, Batgirl has Garbett so it gets a chance) because while Judd Winick is probably deserving of all the criticism, I did enjoy his Batman even despite Jason Todd's retarded resurrection.

Tizoc

Did I ever mention that I eventually came to the decision that BftC was more of a character 'development' arc to have Rick become Batman, rather than decide who the new Batman will be?

RuNa

@Buccaneer:

Wow, thanks. I do actually plan on reading all the Bat books (B&R is a no brainer, Detective seems like a no brainer, Paul Dini books deserve a chance, Outsiders is decent, Red Robin has Yost and Bachs, Batgirl has Garbett so it gets a chance) because while Judd Winick is probably deserving of all the criticism, I did enjoy his Batman even despite Jason Todd's retarded resurrection.

You know, though, that Winick absolutely HATES Dick, right?

Rebecky_Mo

This has nothing to do with DC or Marvel, but it's still news for an American Comic. Figured I'd put it here.

Archie Andrews is FINALLY going to choose between Betty and Veronica and propose.

The six-part story of Archie’s long-delayed passage into adulthood will begin in Issue 600 of his eponymous comic book “Archie.” It will ship on Aug. 12 and be available in comics shops on Sept. 8.

In the story, Archie has finally graduated from Riverdale High School; in fact, he’s five years older and a college graduate. (We told you this was the apocalypse.) He may even have an actual job when he gets engaged.

But to whom? Will it be the elegant Veronica Lodge, daughter of wealth and privilege? Or will it be girl-next-door Betty Cooper?
source

RuNa

^
Watch it be a trick.

Alright, now I'm not so sure about the continuation of the Incredible HULK series:

Interview:
http://www.newsarama.com/comics/050919-Hulk-Pak.html

Get Loeb out of the picture and maybe then we can talk.

Tizoc

Supergirl #41….wow
...and Weapon X #2 was kickass.

Buccaneer

Haha, even ARCHIE is hitting issue 600.

@RuNa:

You know, though, that Winick absolutely HATES Dick, right?

He'll give him a gay friend and everything will be peachy keen.

On the topic of hating Dick, Battle for the Cowl was really lame. But not as lame as I first thought, since I considered that everyone else in the story had their own one shot or mini to stand around in.

Ubiq

@RuNa:

^
Watch it be a trick.

I'd almost put money on it being a brand new character or some secondary character.

Ravager

bftc sucked
well actually just the 3 main comics
Dick was gonna be batman and damian was gonna be robin
he(Tony Daniel) just had to made a comic of 3 chps to show how dick became batman and damien became robin
thats all he had to do, now i ask, how can he blew it so hard
its batman all-star all over again
he transform jason on a frank miller`s rip off, he blew completly the characterization of damian on he first 2 comics and pretty much made him robin for no reason at all
the fact that batman told dick to not became batman wasa nice touch but he also said
that ¨Bruce didnt knew the importantce of batman symbol over gotham¨
of course he had to know that otherwise he would not had chosen a replacement for it during knightfall, h just didnt thought dick should follow his steps

other than that the event wasnt that bad

the network wasnt bad
underground was just an excuse to make catwoman, ivy and HQ share the same comic
which is kinda good i guess
arkham asylum was great, it reconed one of the better comics of all batman hystory
commisioner gordon kickass
man-bat was very good, mainly cause i love these character tough his son didnt appeared he hasnt appered in 7 years(like 3 years on dcu) and it has some potential
Oracle was pure crap, they should have killed wendy on TT with her brother and killed calculator on Final crisis so this comic idea were never made
Azrael was really good, i never liked the first one so this one is great improvement

Tizoc

Buccaneer have u read the Dark Reign Punisher series? It's really good.

Buccaneer

Yeah, I've always been a big fan of Punisher in the MU, even though the 90s weren't very good to him and War Journal crapped out half of the time. I've enjoyed all of the issues out so far, so if the change in art isn't too rough I could definitely see it becoming my favorite Marvel series.

I am annoyed, though, that I've written four letters in my life, two of them to Remender, and those two have not seen the light of day in his books. But I guess it's a chance thing.

Oh and I agree that this Weapon X series so far is great.

Jedi Master

Who here have read the Astonishing X-Men? If so, is it still going on, and w/ how many vol's and chapters exactly?

I just read the first volume that other day, and it kind of remind me of that new Wolverine cartoon, minus the people who hunt them (what were they called again)?

I also read some few pages of this omnibus, vol 2 of the Justice League of America, by any chance, are they up to chapter 600 by now?

Tizoc

Astonishing X-Men was written by Joss Whedon up til late last year.
His run is collected in 4 books/volumes
The series is still ongoing, though the issues release are so far between.
For now just get those 4 books, as they are very good.
The current Astonishing is written by Warren Ellis, and I personally enjoy it.

@Buc- Cool mate, well yeah I do believe it's chance. Ironically I had written a letter to Red 5 Comics and got a reply a week later ^_^;;;;

RuNa

Archie proposes to Veronica:

http://newsarama.com/comics/050927-Archie600.html

Tizoc

…watch him pull a Spidey and then propose to the blonde on the wedding night :V

Tizoc

If I haven't mentioned it yet, I like Garth Ennis' The Boys, it's a lot better than I thought it would be despite the profanity and sex and nudity…and lack of gore that would often turn me away from a Garth Ennis comic....

KaizokuFan22

Found tons of US comics today
(not tons but books that were just out in today)
-Hellboy Vol.2(contains CHained Coffin and Right hand of doom)
-Bat-Manga(Batman comics from Japan in english, read like manga)
-Batman:the Long Halloween
-Batman:the Dark Knight Returns(86 reprints)
-Superman:kryptonite
-Hulk:WWH(World war arcs?)
-Batman and SOn
-Ultimate X-Men:Ultimate Wars
-Planet Hulk
-some weird comic called Welcome To Tranquility(by the authors of Wonder woman and Majestic)

Ravager

the Hulk WWH stands for world war hulk and takes place after planet hulk
so read it in order or you it spoil the story =)
batman and son is excelent and also DKR
but dont read DKR2, it sucks

Syan Strife

I didn't like Dark Knight Returns all that much because the art was absolutely atrocious.

Overall, that's a good listing of graphic novels you got there!

KaizokuFan22

@Syan:

I didn't like Dark Knight Returns all that much because the art was absolutely atrocious.

Overall, that's a good listing of graphic novels you got there!

its too bad they are not for keeps though.. i would pay the money for some of them

@Ravager:thanks for the tip. ill make sure to read them in roder

Syan Strife

Oh, library check outs? Nice still. I wanted to buy the New Avengers storyline, but found out it was at the library so I read a volume a week. Helps save some money! They have the first 7, so I'll just buy the volumes from Secret Invasion upward.

I do love the work they did with Steve Rogers and Peter's relationship with the Avengers, actually trusting them and whatnot. Ms. Marvel has been fantastic too. Could not believe JJJ went and trashed the Avengers when offered the exclusive! Haven't gotten to the Civil War point yet, though. I'll see how that turns out.

Quick question for current Avengers: I know they did the whole nobody knows Peter is SpiderMan/ break up him and MJ, but do the Avengers know who he is, or is SpiderMan just a member with secret identity intact?

Is anyone else following Avengers / Invaders? It seems to be coming out slower than molasses! But I'm totally waiting to see how it ends. None of my friends seem to be following it.

RuNa

@Syan:

Quick question for current Avengers: I know they did the whole nobody knows Peter is SpiderMan/ break up him and MJ, but do the Avengers know who he is, or is SpiderMan just a member with secret identity intact?

Only revealed himself to the team like 3 issues ago.He revealed himself to the Fantastic Four even before that, though.

Is anyone else following Avengers / Invaders? It seems to be coming out slower than molasses! But I'm totally waiting to see how it ends. None of my friends seem to be following it.

Didn't jump on it early enough. Will wait for it to finish. 1 chapter left.

Tizoc

@KF- Oooh Welcome to Tranquility that's a good book.