And Robin? Does she have great stamina and super strength? No, but she's still on of the strongest in the strawhatt crew..
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Originally posted by wolfwood@Jun 16 2005, 08:27 PM
**well compared to normal people they are all strong but compare nami to the other strawhats and its easy to see that shes the weakest,and that they have other ability is totaly irrelevant since its a disscusion about stamina and strength and in that aspect nami is hella weak.
[snapback]71243[/snapback]**And I thought this discussion as about who's the 4 th best
Nami being smart and a thief isn't irrelevant since she can usethis abilities to defeat a enemy
Also is Usopp a stamina guy i don't think so, he's determined yes, a good sharpshooter yes, but not strong
Usopp and Nami are the weakest in the crew in physical strenght
And after them are Nico Robin and Chopper (only if transformed can he become physically strong)
The only ones that are physically stronger are Zoro, Luffy and Sanji
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well the topic is about who is no.4 but weve gone a bit of topic and about when you jumped in we were talking about whether or not nami is physicly weak,
and to the stamina discussion its irrelevant even thougt it is a good quality that would help her,
and usopp took a 4 ton bat to the face and still stood up and fought so hell yes he has stamina and way more so than nami.
but true that neither could lift much weigth but still usopp given that hes a guy should be sligthly stronger than nami who is a girl :P
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By the way I has one of the first to post in this topic so I didn't jump in at that point
That makes Ussop at the same level as Nami (since Nami is a girl and Ussop a boy)
And Nami also took a beating and fought back (remember Miss Doublefinger)
And also she had the illness that could have killed her but she manage to stay alive long enough to be cured by Dr. Kureha
Dr. Kureha said that that illness could have killed her (so stamina she's got)
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it maybe pointless buts that one of the reasons i come to this place to have long pointless and most of all fun discussions
Some pointless discussions are fun, but when it mostly leads to saying all kinds of negative things about the characters, it's not much fun.
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seriously are you kidding me ?
are you comparing a four ton steel bat right into the head to the small wounds that nami got ? :o
nami would die instantly if mr.4 had hit her usopp didnt he even managed to stand up so ergo usopp has way more stamina than nami. -
Originally posted by wolfwood@Jun 16 2005, 08:49 PM
seriously are you kidding me ?
are you comparing a four ton steel bat right into the head to the small wounds that nami got ? :o
nami would die instantly if mr.4 had hit her so ergo usopp has way more stamina than nami.
[snapback]71260[/snapback]Spike craved deeply into the skin can kill but a bat in the face too
No but she could avoid it, cause I don't think Mr.4 would resist a pretty girl :lol:
And Ussop if it hasn't Chopper to save him he would be dead too
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haha :P
but thats not really the point the point is that what ever nami could dish out usopp should withstand since none her attacks rival the power of mr.4 bat ;)
and then the fact that she easy to knock out as said before a gunpowder star to the face and shes down
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Not if she stole the slingshot before Ussop shots :P
But ok Ussop can be a little better then Nami but just a little
Not that any of this would make a diference to the 4th best that are Nico Robin and Chopper
Nami and Ussop can share the 5th place (because Nami can blackmail Ussop) :lol:
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hmm agreed shakes hand
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Originally posted by TheTalentedMr.Sanji@Jun 16 2005, 01:04 PM
She'd be dead. But what does that have to do with anything?
[snapback]71186[/snapback]I knew someone was bound to ask that. I was wondering that question because I was thinking about how powerful Robin can be without her DF powers since the previeous pages, people said that Robin could possibly beat Zoro. It was just something stuck in my mind…
But of course she wouldn't be the Robin of today without her DF powers. Ok. I'll stop my babbeling...
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Originally posted by warp+Jun 15 2005, 08:54 PM–>QUOTE(warp @ Jun 15 2005, 08:54 PM)
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When it comes down to physical strength, I would have to say Luffy, hands down (Zoro can lift a building, but I think it was due to adreneline). Zoro is probably the most determined to not die, but in battle, if Luffy gets pissed off…you get the point. The only real battle I've seen Robin in was when she fought that fat guy in Skypiea, but judging by the result, even though she took some hard hits, she owned the pig. It really comes down to how serious the character is, since usually it is when they are pissed that their enemies stand no chance. Take Luffy for example. In Arlong Park, it seemed to be an even match between him and Arlong, but then Luffy broke Kiribachi in a fit of rage, and Arlong got his ass kicked. He always fights for others, like when he one-hit KOed Bellamy to get back the gold for the old guy. But Zoro, if determined, can probably beat his seemingly stronger opponent. I'd like to see Robin in more fights, though, so I can really get a taste of what she can do.
I'd like to see Nami lift a 5 TON hammer!
It wasn't actually a 5-ton hammer. Usopp just lied and tricked Mr. 4's female counterpart (whom I conveniently forgot the name of) into believing it was so. Here's the link for his real hammer weight, 2 kg ( which is between 4 and 5 pounds I think). Not to say that Usopp's weak, but he's much more skilled when it comes to long-range combat.
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That seems about right. For anyone who forgets how powerful (notice I didn't say strong) she is, I'll refer you to her bounty, how she got it, and her actions near the end of the Alabasta arc.
Except if I'm understanding the story right, the story about her bounty was more or less a coverup. I think the "threat" she poses is more in her knowledge, and the potential she has to revive an Ancient Weapon.
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Originally posted by Cap'n Carter@Jun 16 2005, 03:54 PM
**> That seems about right. For anyone who forgets how powerful (notice I didn't say strong) she is, I'll refer you to her bounty, how she got it, and her actions near the end of the Alabasta arc.Except if I'm understanding the story right, the story about her bounty was more or less a coverup. I think the "threat" she poses is more in her knowledge, and the potential she has to revive an Ancient Weapon.
[snapback]71322[/snapback]**Interesting speculation. Come to think of it, that's a very possible reason why she got such a high bounty, but her fighting skills probably added on to that.
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That's a good point Nico Robin's knowledge is a dangerous weapon
But she also is a good fighter, to sink 6 marines ships by accident it's not everyone that can do that
Maybe Nico Robin will be seen fight in the new chapters when she realizes that the strawhats are able to kick ass at large level
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Originally posted by sabret00the+Jun 16 2005, 05:42 AM–>QUOTE(sabret00the @ Jun 16 2005, 05:42 AM)
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Although Robin isn't my favorite Straw Hat (not even close) I think that she is probably the strongest out of them all. She can be doing a million things at once with her Devil Fruit, and no matter how strong Luffy is he could never do that. Also, I have no idea why most people think Zoro is stronger than Sanji. They're about the same strength, really.
So, this is my standing:
- Robin
- Luffy
3 & 4) Zoro and Sanji
5)Chopper - Ussop
- Nami
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no he couldnt but robin cant really hurt luffy either and luffy with his rubber body could easily slip or strech out of her grips so id say luffy would beat her.
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That is saying, if Luffy and Robin ever get into a fight (highly inprobable, but Oda being Oda…you never know), Luffy will have to get pretty pissed off in order to win (since getting in a state of rage is usually how Luffy wins), but if you haven't noticed, Luffy is probably the smartest fighter of the Straw Hats. I know he doesn't seem like that most of the time, but whenever he fights, he's always serious. We've only seen Robin in one serious battle (against the fat guy in Skypiea), so it's probably too early to speculate. But I'd still like to see her kick some ass. :D
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I think it was said that Robin's grappling, back breaking abilities wouldn't work on Luffy's rubber body. But I'm not sure.
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Sure as hell did a number on pell T_T
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Originally posted by Cap'n Carter@Jun 17 2005, 02:44 AM
I think it was said that Robin's grappling, back breaking abilities wouldn't work on Luffy's rubber body. But I'm not sure.
[snapback]71485[/snapback]yup was indeed said.
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Originally posted by wolfwood@Jun 16 2005, 11:44 PM
**me neither i dont know what he talking about.and p`cing it wasnt that croc was to fast he turned into sand so there was nothing she could do against him when she missed with the water.
if she could have grabbed him she would have won easily.
[snapback]71092[/snapback]**wolfwood ,do you understand what were i saying? Croc disappeared ,is just same as being a sand, am i right ?And what if zoro is too fast ,and robin can't see zoro ,and zoro would have attacked robin already !!! do you get what i mean?
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So far I think Robin is the fourth strongest (if we consider Sanji as third). She wasn´t a Shichibukai´s partner for nothing.
But after the Water 7 arc is over I may will rethink my decision. I´ll have to see how Franky and Paulie will prove in defeating the villains. So far I think that by a long shot Franky is definitely stronger then Paulie. But since none of them had their real fight so far, I´ll reserve my judgement for later.
_Originally posted by warp+Jun 16 2005, 02:54 AM–>QUOTE(warp @ Jun 16 2005, 02:54 AM)...and ussop is not stronger than nami, id like to see usopp beat ms.dobule finger
[snapback]70842[/snapback]She beat him with a weapon Usopp built. Even though she´s far more skilled with staffs then him, he should have been able to use Tornado against Miss Doublefinger too, since it wasn´t that much of a skill-trick.
Besides, I want to see Nami take a direct hit with a 4 ton baseball bat.
@Jun 16 2005, 09:54 PM
**> That seems about right. For anyone who forgets how powerful (notice I didn't say strong) she is, I'll refer you to her bounty, how she got it, and her actions near the end of the Alabasta arc.Except if I'm understanding the story right, the story about her bounty was more or less a coverup. I think the "threat" she poses is more in her knowledge, and the potential she has to revive an Ancient Weapon.
[snapback]71322[/snapback]**__That´s partly right. The bounty consists of how big a threat for the World Government you are. Nico Robin is dangerous to the WG because she can read the ancient texts. That´s why they were trying to get her. But seeing that she also destroyed Marine ships while she was eight years old must also have had an influence on the hight of her bounty. I mean if she was that easy to catch, then she wouldn´t have such a high bounty. And obviously she´s powerful enough to escape a Marine fleet by sinking it while she was a little kid. So it´s not all a knowledge thing.
Otherwise I could say that if Helmeppo would be able to read the ancient text, he must get the same bounty as Nico Robin. :P_
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how old is franky? and how old is paulie? i still feel as though robins too old for the crew.
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Franky is 36, I think.
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He's 34.
Well, now that I'm in here:
So far, I think the best fighter is Zoro. Honestly, though Luffy is powerful and there was that incident in Whiskey Peak, I think Zoro would dice 'em up in an all out fight. So second is Luffy. And third, Robin.The thing is, I'm not so sure if Zoro could beat Robin. On one hand, there's the fact that none of the people she owned were Zoro, but then again, we haven't seen her limit. So it's probably just a rock-paper-scissors thing between those three.
Next is Sanji, maybe only because he wouldn't be able to hit Robin. After that, Chopper, Usopp, and Nami.
Now, if Franky joins, I think he'd be about even with Sanji. If Pauly, maybe just below Chopper.
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That´s partly right. The bounty consists of how big a threat for the World Government you are. Nico Robin is dangerous to the WG because she can read the ancient texts. That´s why they were trying to get her.
This made me think… Maybe Gold Roger wasn't considered such a big threat because he was the pirate king, but because of his ability to read the ancient texts. And maybe the secret of One Piece is somehow related with the Ancient Weapons.
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Originally posted by Buccaneer@Jun 17 2005, 12:25 PM
Now, if Franky joins, I think he'd be about even with Sanji. If Pauly, maybe just below Chopper.
[snapback]71777[/snapback]Stop underestimate Paulie! He's probably stronger than Chopper. I think he can take out Sanji since Sanji always fights close-combat Paulie can just tie him up before Sanji comes close enough to fights… And it would be quite hard for Sanji to take off the rope since he has a normal body and no weapons... And Paulie should be able to resist alot of kicks.
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Aye, Paulie is the man, you guys gotta give the guy some love. In my personal opinion, it would go something like :: Luffy, Zoro, Robin/Franky, Sanji/Paulie, Chopper, Usopp, Nami…
I dunno, I just reckon if Luffy had the reason to do so, he could and would win against Zoro... -shrugs- Ah well, I personally don't care about strengths that much, the character look and personality is what gets me to love 'em.
–Saito
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Originally posted by Green Hair@Jun 17 2005, 06:25 PM
**> That´s partly right. The bounty consists of how big a threat for the World Government you are. Nico Robin is dangerous to the WG because she can read the ancient texts. That´s why they were trying to get her.This made me think… Maybe Gold Roger wasn't considered such a big threat because he was the pirate king, but because of his ability to read the ancient texts. And maybe the secret of One Piece is somehow related with the Ancient Weapons.
[snapback]71778[/snapback]**Not just by that, but also he could beat every other that stood in his way
The only one that challenge Gol D. Roger and survived was WhiteBeard, all the others died
And he hasn't captured by no one, he gave himself way
That made him a really dangerous threat to the World Goverment ;)
And to those that say Sanji can be beat by Paulie's ropes don't forget, Sanji his using Knifes now :lol:
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Originally posted by Solid+Jun 17 2005, 07:55 PM–>QUOTE(Solid @ Jun 17 2005, 07:55 PM)
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ahem if i amy object i think paulies ropes and his skill would give sanji a hard time,
i think sanji and paulie are on about the same level ,
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I don´t say that the ropes aren´t a bad weapon or something like that, but so far the ropes didn´t convince me to be of any special kind to defeat a Strawhat pirate. Actually the ropes technique didn´t defeat nobody so far. And if anybody wants to bring in the argument that Paulie saved Luffy, Zoro, Chopper and Nami with his rope then be aware that a) that wasn´t a attack move and B) that is actually that Luffy could have done with his powers himself but it just made more sense in terms of letting the Galley-la workers and the Strawhat pirates that Paulie was the one who saved them.
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Ah, well I shouldnt have said that Paulie could beat Sanji, I agree, that was stupid, but I think he could put a great match against him…
I think that Sanji vs. Paulie is like Luffy vs. Zoro...And if Paulie didnt save em, then atleast some of them would've died since only Zoro would be able to something becasue Luffy and Chopper lost their strength and Nami is to weak to do anything in a wave like that.
And Ivotas just wait.. he will kick someones ass..
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Originally posted by Solid@Jun 17 2005, 10:05 PM
And Ivotas just wait.. he will kick someones ass..
[snapback]71897[/snapback]I have no doubts there. However I´m looking forward on the Lucci ass kicking. :D
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If I had to choose an order I would have to say,
1. Luffy/ Zoro
2. Sanji
3. Nico
4. Ussop
5. Nami (she would be nothing without Ussops Clima Tacts)
6. Chopper
That's the order I would put them in, and believe me it's non bias.
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Originally posted by Solid@Jun 18 2005, 03:55 AM
Stop underestimate Paulie! He's probably stronger than Chopper. I think he can take out Sanji since Sanji always fights close-combat Paulie can just tie him up before Sanji comes close enough to fights… And it would be quite hard for Sanji to take off the rope since he has a normal body and no weapons... And Paulie should be able to resist alot of kicks.
[snapback]71853[/snapback]I'm only saying what I really think. Rope Action would have no effect on Chopper, since he can change shape and all. Roped in big form, he can shrink. Roped while small, he could grow, making himself much tougher to throw. Thrown down, he could use Defense Point, as with Pipe Hitch. I'm only going by what we've seen so far, so I can't say if there's much else.
The problem with his style is that there's a solution to be found. Rob would probably never fall to him because he found a way out: landing on his hands. If someone could manage a good landing, then his fight would be muuuuuuch harder
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Originally posted by Roronoa Zolo@Jun 18 2005, 07:09 AM
**If I had to choose an order I would have to say,1. Luffy/ Zoro
2. Sanji
3. Nico
4. Ussop
5. Nami (she would be nothing without Ussops Clima Tacts)
6. Chopper
That's the order I would put them in, and believe me it's non bias.
[snapback]72101[/snapback]**non-bias when you're saying chopper's the weakest and zoro's on luffy's level?
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well zoro is on luffys level along with robin so thats true but choppa as the weakest is something i find hard to belive i think the last place should be awarded to nami.
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Originally posted by Buccaneer+Jun 18 2005, 09:04 AM–>QUOTE(Buccaneer @ Jun 18 2005, 09:04 AM)
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Or maybe "buff" chopper could bust the ropes? And even if he can throw Chopper, there's Defense Point. Landing is no problem for him.
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Originally posted by Buccaneer@Jun 18 2005, 02:56 PM
Or maybe "buff" chopper could bust the ropes? And even if he can throw Chopper, there's Defense Point. Landing is no problem for him.
[snapback]72381[/snapback]That depends on where he lands.. :P He could throw into sea or at something sharp.
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You know, if Pauley lassos someone stronger than him, I hope he's ready for a ride.
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Originally posted by kai_toyama@Jun 16 2005, 03:21 PM
**> I'd like to see Nami lift a 5 TON hammer!It wasn't actually a 5-ton hammer. Usopp just lied and tricked Mr. 4's female counterpart (whom I conveniently forgot the name of) into believing it was so. Here's the link for his real hammer weight, 2 kg ( which is between 4 and 5 pounds I think). Not to say that Usopp's weak, but he's much more skilled when it comes to long-range combat.
[snapback]71285[/snapback]**:lol: Haha yeah I knew that. I was just kidding. That's why I put this> :D
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i wanna see paulie do some combos instead of just doing one attack at a time,
like for examle something simple like first trowing some one in the ground with his rope action and following up with a pipe hitch while they are trying to get up.
even a simple thing like that would improve his fighting.
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Chopper would own nami and usopp .. Did you watch Zoro,luffy,Chopper,Sanji went to beat up the Franky house? Watch Usopp ,he can't do anything to them ..But Chopper did kick their ass ,and Nami takes time to makes those water air,fire air or something .. but what if chopper gone mad and run to attack nami ,i think nami would have losed, but the electric would do hit on Chopper ,Chopper would have injured too,but not as much as nami .. Nami is a woman ,don't think that she is a big Mucle woman ,and either Miss Monday ,so big mucle, but facing Zoro ,Zoro is just thinking her as a little small Mosqitols .. If nami doesn't have a Devil fruit power ,her body would not be strong …
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I think Nami could kick substantial ass if given the proper motivation. She's got years of bottled up rage and needs an excuse to dump it on someone.
I think, however, she could probably only do it a single time. Like a temporarily insane murderer, she might be able to reduce any of the Strawhats to a smooth paste, releasing all her tension from captivity and betrayal and witnessing death, but after that, her personality would be completely balanced and she'd have to leave the crew to become a monk.
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Originally posted by P' Cinq@Jun 20 2005, 04:42 AM
Watch Usopp ,he can't do anything to them ..But Chopper did kick their ass[snapback]73213[/snapback]But Usopp was alone, by himself, and Chopper was with Zoro, Luffy, and Sanji. And all of them were pretty damn pissed off at the Frankies for beating up Usopp, so I think Chopper's rage was what really fueled his attacks. In a regular state, if he was with Usopp (and provided that there was nothing to be angry for), I think Chopper would back down. Chopper's the character that is extremely gullible and seemingly harmless, but can kick serious ass when he's pissed.