you're letting those ranks go to your head. it depends on the char itself if he/she/it is stronger than a SH or not. you can crawl up ranks even with less strenght and you can also have a low rank and top fighting abilities…
The War With Whitebeard
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you're letting those ranks go to your head. it depends on the char itself if he/she/it is stronger than a SH or not. you can crawl up ranks even with less strenght and you can also have a low rank and top fighting abilities…
We have facts. Garp as a VA hell strong. Aokiji and Kizaru are able to kill all the SHs without breaking a sweat. Unless they get a power up they are all no match for this high ranked marines. From what we have seen momonga seems to also kick ass.
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It was only composed of Captain and Commander ranked Marines.
There were no Commodores, let alone Rear-Admirals(the rank under Vice-Admiral) among the 200 sent to fight on the Bridge of Hesitation.
My bad couldn't remember if it was commander or commodore. I can't even recall where commander is relative to captain and commodore.
(I thought they said something like captains and above or something so I didn't want to rule out rear admirals. But thanks for correcting me
)What the…? Holy smurf am I slow! Until this statement of yours I never even realized that an octopus is actually serving octopusballs. Talk about not seeing the forest because of too many trees. facepalm
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We have facts. Garp as a VA hell strong. Aokiji and Kizaru are able to kill all the SHs without breaking a sweat. Unless they get a power up they are all no match for this high ranked marines. From what we have seen momonga seems to also kick ass.
no real proof to that and garp sure is super strong but that doesn't mean that the other vice admirals can compare to him. he has the monkey bloodline + the D… he is special! not saying that vice admirals are weak or weaker than most of the strawhats but i doubt that luffy couln't take most of em on... remember the respect from that one VA to rob lucci and luffy still owned him...
btw, garp would get the rank between VA and admiral if there was one but there isn't.
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My bad couldn't remeber if it was commander or commodore. I can't even recall where commander is relative to captain and commodore.
(I thought they said something like captains and above or something so I didn't want to rule out rear admirals. But thanks for correcting me
)Commander is just under Captain, like how Captain is just under Commodore. Commodore is just under Rear-Admiral, etc. etc.
Oh and it was only stated that Lieutenant-Commander rank Marines and under should stay below deck. Then right after it's said that only Commander and Captain class Marines need participate.
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I bet someone important's gonna die, like Ace, or Whitebeard cause of his disease, or just someone from the marines -___-
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remember the respect from that one VA to rob lucci and luffy still owned him…
btw, garp would get the rank between VA and admiral if there was one but there isn't.
Barely he barely owned him. IMO luffy didn't win the match. He wasn't even able to move anymore. But let's not discuss this point. I was just stressing that we may pay attention. The vice admirals and admirals are not weak. Ok if you say that day tactician is not a fighter i will understand you. She may just stay in the MHQ and make battleplans. But she may be a real tactician genius. IMO all the VA fighters are super strong. Unless ODA says : garp refused in the past to become an Admiral (and there must be a good reason for that cause we all know and also from oda that he is a 100% marine) i will say that the VA fighters are all more or less on Garps level.
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^^ or look at this gorlom
Admiral [Gensui] (top of the Marines)
Admiral [Taishou]
Vice-admiral [Chuujou] - Rear Admiral [Shoushou] - Commodore [Junshou]
Captain [Taisa] - Commander [Chuusa] - Major [Shousa]
Captain [Taii] - First Lieutenant [Chuui] - Second Lieutenant [Shoui]
N Warrant-officer [Juni]
Sergeant Major [Souchou] - Sergeant [Gunsou] - Corporal [Gochou]
Private First Class [Ittouhei] - Private [Nitouhei] - Private (Recruit) [Santouhei]
Odd Jobs [Zatsuyou]with thx to stephens site:happy:
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We have facts. Garp as a VA hell strong. Aokiji and Kizaru are able to kill all the SHs without breaking a sweat. Unless they get a power up they are all no match for this high ranked marines. From what we have seen momonga seems to also kick ass.
no real proof to that and garp sure is super strong but that doesn't mean that the other vice admirals can compare to him. he has the monkey bloodline + the D… he is special! not saying that vice admirals are weak or weaker than most of the strawhats but i doubt that luffy couln't take most of em on... remember the respect from that one VA to rob lucci and luffy still owned him...
btw, garp would get the rank between VA and admiral if there was one but there isn't.
Garp is a Marine Legend….he encountered Roger many times..maybe even battled him.
This is merely speculation but its my view that Garp was at one stage, Admiral. I think someone else here believes this too...i forgot who. He just seems waaay to powerful...to not have been at some stage. -
My bad couldn't remember if it was commander or commodore. I can't even recall where commander is relative to captain and commodore.
This is where movie/series knowledge comes into play to make things easier to remember. Think of Captain Picard and Commander Riker. That should be helpful to comprehend the Captain and Commander thing.
For the commodore thing. Well Pirates of the Caribbean comes into play. Remember when Jack Sparrow offered Barbossa to sail under his flag. By that Captain Jack Sparrow would have been subordinate of Commodore Barbossa.
Well, at least that's how I memorize it.^^
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Garp is a Marine Legend….he encountered Roger many times..maybe even battled him.
This is merely speculation but its my view that Garp was at one stage, Admiral. I think someone else here believes this too...i forgot who. He just seems waaay to powerful...to not have been at some stage.you quoted something that wasn't stated by me cause i wasn't able to make quote signs (due to connection problems)
i agree with you but the admiral thing is pure speculation… there can most likely only be 3 admirals at all times and garp just didn't want to handle the paperwork connected to that... or he was very unlucky in timing for promotions cause youngsters kept rising when spots reopened (like kuzan). -
Thanks DQDF and Ivotas. (Ivotas are you saying that Barbarossa would sail under Jacks flag or Jack under Barbarossas? I'm abit confused by your phrasing, but I assume the later since the rest wouldn't make sense otherwise)
What the…? Holy smurf am I slow! Until this statement of yours I never even realized that an octopus is actually serving octopusballs. Talk about not seeing the forest because of too many trees. facepalm
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Jack was asked to sail under Barbossas commando? That's what he imo meant.
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Barbossa asked jack to sail under his commando. That's what he imo meant.
Puny Pronomen! LOTA is to great to be confined by such things!
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I was under the impression that the only reason Garp wasn't ranked higher was because he was a completely reckless troublemaker. Ao Kiji said how much trouble Garp caused.
I wonder how Hancock is going to do when she's love-stricken by Luffy.
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Thanks DQDF and Ivotas. (Ivotas are you saying that Barbarossa would sail under Jacks flag or Jack under Barbarossas? I'm abit confused by your phrasing, but I assume the later since the rest wouldn't make sense otherwise)
Yeah, it was the later. Commodore Barbossa would have been the leader of the fleet and Captain Jack Sparrow would just command the Black Pearl, which was a part of it.
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Yeah, it was the later. Commodore Barbossa would have been the leader of the fleet and Captain Jack Sparrow would just command the Black Pearl, which was a part of it.
i wonder if barbossa will show up in the sequel… he is after the same thing after all.. fountain of life, right? but i fear there will be more victims to the cast than just turner and his bride. maybe this time it will be LeChuck himself who steps out of the grave to haunt jack-o.
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i wonder if barbossa will show up in the sequel… he is after the same thing after all.. fountain of life, right? but i fear there will be more victims to the cast than just turner and his bride. maybe this time it will be LeChuck himself who steps out of the grave to haunt jack-o.
They better do so. Barbossa is one of the things that makes PotC a good pirate movie. The other thing is Gibbs. Sparrow, Pintel and Regetti are only giving this movies it's individual touch.
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With the upcoming war between "WB Pirates" and "WG + [Shichibukai - Jimbei]" , we may discuss how this battle will end …
However , in the chapter #430 , Sengoku mentioned something about the "Golden Lion" !
Wait ... Where I saw this name ? Oh , right ! In the 10th Movie's trailer !
( http://www.apforums.net/showthread.php?t=16796 )There we see Whitebeard , Shanks , Garp , Sengoku …
Considering that the movie is NOT canon , we can see that WB will NOT die in the war ...Also: I just noticed something , however I don't know if it's important or not. In the trailer , WB's big scar on his chest is a lot bigger , maybe a result of the fight ?
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Or perhaps (if we consider the movie to be canon) the war didn't still didn't begin at the time the movie plays. Considering that Whitebeard says that the Golden Lion is making things even more interesting I's say this is the more likely choice.
After all, if Oda requires about a year to end Impel Down and make the Strawhats regroup it doesn't mean that it can't all happen in one day inside the story. So yeah, I'll go with the war didn't start by then.^^
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I was under the impression that the only reason Garp wasn't ranked higher was because he was a completely reckless troublemaker. Ao Kiji said how much trouble Garp caused.
I figure the same reason why Smoker Isn't higher ranked. Too much of a pain in the ass for the higher ups. When you go back to one of the chapters, Sengoku… Or at least I think it's him... Start's yelling at Garp about how much of a trouble maker his grandkids are and that he should be responsable for it. But if it wern't the fact that he was a war hero, he probably wouldn't be high ranking anymo-
Nobody do a spell check on that paragraph...
:ninja:I also love that when you first started the thread people were like... "Lock!"
People need to realize that when Admiral Wolfpox starts a thread, it never dies...
EVER!Oh hey look, a chicken.
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When you go back to one of the chapters, Sengoku… Or at least I think it's him... Start's yelling at Garp about how much of a trouble maker his grandkids are and that he should be responsable for it. But if it wern't the fact that he was a war hero, he probably wouldn't be high ranking anymo-
euhm. . .
It was the chapter that is out NOW :ninja:, so 530 -
I figure the same reason why Smoker Isn't higher ranked. Too much of a pain in the ass for the higher ups. When you go back to one of the chapters, Sengoku… Or at least I think it's him... Start's yelling at Garp about how much of a trouble maker his grandkids are and that he should be responsable for it. But if it wern't the fact that he was a war hero, he probably wouldn't be high ranking anymo-
Nobody do a spell check on that paragraph...
:ninja:I also love that when you first started the thread people were like... "Lock!"
People need to realize that when Admiral Wolfpox starts a thread, it never dies...
EVER!what! smoker was promoted though wasn't he? plus he doesn't have any family that's disgraced him, he never gets into trouble and so far is too young to be saying he should be a higher rank, although he told them to f**k off, he was still going to be made commodore, i think smoker and garp aren't alike.
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what! smoker was promoted though wasn't he? plus he doesn't have any family that's disgraced him, he never gets into trouble and so far is too young to be saying he should be a higher rank, although he told them to f**k off, he was still going to be made commodore, i think smoker and garp aren't alike.
Sry, I mean the reason why he isn't higher. He is a kickass dude, but there is a reason why he isn't in the top ranking seats. It's cuz he doesn't take shit and calls his own justice. lol
Btw, for all the football fans out there… It wasn't a fumble!!!!
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Sry, I mean the reason why he isn't higher. He is a kickass dude, but there is a reason why he isn't in the top ranking seats. It's cuz he doesn't take shit and calls his own justice. lol
.oh i see, but one thing your forgetting one something, he's a commodore at the age of 34…...................... that's impressive, give it another 10 years and i'd expect him to be a vice admiral for sure
so really he's on the same track with all the other strong ranks, as they all look 40+ so i'd wait a bit, im sure by the 800th chapter he might go up a rank if he see's luffy again, as i could see history repeat itself
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I hope that at a certain point one of the admirals will die or won't be able to do his function because of something and that Smoker becomes an admiral. I think he is a really great character. He will have to train though, seeing he got powned by Dragon quite substantially. . .
and if you look at kizaru being the yellow monkey, aikanu being the red dog and ao kiji being the blue peasant he could perhaps became the white something -
Nah, I see Smoker become Fleet Admiral when One Piece is over. Coby and Meppo are reserved for admirals. Pink and Green somethings I say. ;)
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Nah, I see Smoker become Fleet Admiral when One Piece is over. Coby and Meppo are reserved for admirals. Pink and Green somethings I say. ;)
Will smoker then inherit powngoat or will he have to get one himself?
Wouldn't the bird get lungcancer sitting on smokers' head?
Are these dumb predictions?
are they?Remember, remember, the 5th of November
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Will smoker then inherit powngoat or will he have to get one himself?
He could create a smoke clone. Or he could go with sheeps instead. The best choice for this would be Kalifa.
Wouldn't the bird get lungcancer sitting on smokers' head?
The bird is not real you know. ;)
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hmmmm smoker or coby as an admiral….............. not sure what they'd be called, grey .............. or pink........... im not gonna fills these gaps
also someone mentioned how strong coby is getting in such a short period of time........it is quite amazing when you think about it, maybe garp is a much better trainer than i previously thought, maybe he even trained one of the admirals...........who knows, if he did, it probably would have been the red dog, as garps dog cap is also a dog, maybe coby would be the pink chiwawa then if there is some correlation1
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hmmmm smoker or coby as an admiral….............. not sure what they'd be called, grey smokeor pink.. hair. im not gonna fills these gaps
also someone mentioned how strong coby is getting in such a short period of time….....it is quite amazing when you think about it, maybe garp is a much better trainer than i previously thought, maybe he even trained one of the admirals...........who knows, if he did, it probably would have been the red dog, as garps dog cap is also a dog, maybe coby would be the pink chiwawa then if there is some correlation1
did i get it right?
anyway.. i thinnk the red dog yellow monkey names stay the same.
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did i get it right?
anyway.. i thinnk the red dog yellow monkey names stay the same.
wuh, ive lost you?
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. Coby and Meppo are reserved for admirals. Pink and Green somethings I say. ;)
Pink Errant Boy and Green Fallen Prince =)
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Is there gonna be a war? if luffy rescue ace and escape impel down, ace could just speed dial his boss and tell him he's okay. Then whitebeard returns to whereever he came from but he wait for ace at fishman island. Luffy somehow rejoin his comrade at shabondy, maybe gave a one-night stand with hancock (sorry….i just gotta write this down) and leaving her, the crew with ace dive to FI. Then WB will give luffy some boring motivational speech about how he is destined to be the next Grandline Idol a.k.a the new pirate king. Then he will also chalanged luffy to reach the top by defeating him, and luffy will reply by saying " next time Double-U B". And they party a day or two, parted ways, and SH will continue their journey.
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Is there gonna be a war? if luffy rescue ace and escape impel down, ace could just speed dial his boss and tell him he's okay…
It was stated that it is already too late to stop things now. Whitebeard is already on the move. And even if Ace escapes than Newgate as the Big Daddy Pimp needs to state an example that you don't do this to his crew. The war is going to happen. Believe it. ;)
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Nah, I see Smoker become Fleet Admiral when One Piece is over. Coby and Meppo are reserved for admirals. Pink and Green somethings I say. ;)
I don't see Smoker reaching that point by the time One Piece ends. Maybe after the envitable timejump in the last chapter.
But Coby should be Admiral by the time OP is over but not Helmeppo. He will probably end up as a VA.
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ok I'm new here and I wanna ask you(maybe you know more then me)….what could possibly be Whitebeards pirate crews strength?....in comparation to the marines:
-they have 3 admirals (2 from them almost unbeatable-logia users-about the third we don't know his abilities but my guess is that he's a logia type user too);
-they have the vice-admirals(those should be powerfull too);
-smooker(another logia user!!!!! to low ranked for his abilities);
-an uncountless number of soldats;
-the schichinbukai(one by one top class almost uninvincible fighters);
-and that genius vegapunkhow can the whitebeard pirates compare to them?if ace would have been with them..ok at least on logia user...but without him?is whitebeard so strong?
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Chapter 524
Garp: "…we have already angered the king of the seas..."imo that´s proof enough that he´s very strong. it won´t be easy for the marines but i´m quite sure they´ll have the upper hand
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Whitebeard is probably a haki black belt master :)
No seriously we will soon see if he and his crew are able to withstand the top tier marines and the shishibukais. BB would be the surprise in this war. The WB pirates will probably loose the war because of him. -
well whitebeards strength is probably way above an admiral but how much is the true question. marco's strength is probably comparable to whitebeards since most of the 1st mates we've seen like zoro and rayleigh are tremendously strong. i'll put his strength above an admiral as well. i'd say ace's strength is roughly the same as an admirals strength so it probably goes down hill from there.
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The admirals are the top fighters of the marines. It would be a shame if marco is at their level… I mean kizaru was able to fight even with rayleigh from what we saw. I wouldn't be surprised if they have stronger techniques than the one which come with their logia DF.
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The admirals are the top fighters of the marines. It would be a shame if marco is at their level… I mean kizaru was able to fight even with rayleigh from what we saw. I wouldn't be surprised if they have stronger techniques than the one which come with their logia DF.
no marco has to be that strong in order for the emperors to be truly feared. if it was just whitebeard who was stronger than an admiral then the world government wouldn't fear the whitebeard pirates that much. rayleigh is old and hadn't fought in a while so i bet in his prime he could beat kizaru easily. this probably also applies to the emperors. their top 3 are probably stronger than the 3 admirals.
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white beards the strongest man in the world or at least he use to be
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How long before this is merged?
I'd say WB can probably solo 2 admirals as well as Luffy did the Boa sisters. Marco's strength is unknown but I'd say he can't be that much weaker than WB or even Rayleigh so putting him around a single admirals strength makes sense.
This information by itself is the reason for the King of the Sea comment by Garp. That it possibly takes there top forces to occupy just 2 guys is a big deal. I'm really against the idea it takes all the admirals, shichibukai, and VAs to handle his crew. Garp chased around Gold Roger&Rayleigh mostly by himself, so he couldn't have been that far outclassed by Roger and his peer WB.
To me all these forces are gathered to 1. simply overwhelm WBs fleet. Smoker and rear admirals can probably handle less division captains, with VA have an easier time. Shichibukai being out of everybodies league but Dozu, Marco, and Ace if he were there.
2. They don't actually know who is attacking as the last time they had news of WB he was with Shanks.
3. He could be bringing entire kingdom'ss armies from islands in his territory with him, not just his 1600 man fleet.
4. They don't know where hes actually going to strike so their forces are spread out all over the place between Marineford&ID.
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i hope whitebeard can at least solo all 3 admirals. that's what i expect out of the strongest man in the world. also garp may be just as powerful as an admiral. he may have cornered roger but i doubt he had the power to defeat him. roger probably always ran away instead of staying behind and fighting with garp all the time. blackbeard can probably defeat all 3 admirals with his df so it's all about the match ups. the ones that will probably do the most damage will be the 3 admirals, smoker, garp, blackbeard, mihawk, kuma and possibly doflamingo depending on how truly powerful his df is.
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i hope whitebeard can at least solo all 3 admirals. that's what i expect out of the strongest man in the world. also garp may be just as powerful as an admiral. he may have cornered roger but i doubt he had the power to defeat him. roger probably always ran away instead of staying behind and fighting with garp all the time. blackbeard can probably defeat all 3 admirals with his df so it's all about the match ups. the ones that will probably do the most damage will be the 3 admirals, smoker, garp, blackbeard, mihawk, kuma and possibly doflamingo depending on how truly powerful his df is.
Blackbeard all 3 o,O…
Oh yes and Mihawk is the warden of the One Piece and lives on Raftel with God...
I have the same opinion than MagneticMonkey.
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@Kuma:
Blackbeard all 3 o,O…
Oh yes and Mihawk is the warden of the One Piece and lives on Raftel with God...
I have the self opinion than MagneticMonkey.not at the same time, well not right at this moment anyway. i don't think we saw how truly powerful blackbeard is in his fight with ace. he seemed to be playing around for a while and only get semi serious when he showed off his power to ace.
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Yeah cutting the admirals short there. If all 3 could be taken down by 1 individual the WG would have been destroyed a long time ago as there 3 other emperors plus 2 possibly 4 mysterious first mates who should be extremely strong as well.
Unlike Ace, Aokiji seems like he'd do well enough in a match of physical strength with Teach. Seeing as Kizaru didn't freak because he was cut the Admirals are more experienced than Ace fighting legendary level pirates.
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WB may be super strong. If the admirals aren't able to take down at least marco then there is no meaning for them i mean common we're talking about the fighting elite that is the last hope for the marines. They must be super strong. They might not be able to stop WB but marco shouldn't be a real problem. We're highly speculating here with no facts but from the feeling i got i would say that the admirals are somewhere between WBs and Marcos level.
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maybe shanks will fight on WB side..that would be awesome!
