As we know, Ace and smoker engaged in an semi-battle which they haven't finished yet. Because he had to…(uh...I dont know why he ran)
It is an undetermined fight in which Fire and Smoke would come and battle...
It is of the same elemental, smoke and fire are one...
Smoker said so himself, "Fire and Smoke...very hard to determine the winner"
SO, by all means, I want you to vote for the winner!!!Fo SHo
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Smoker would win
He has that sword made out of seastone
Plus Smoker's VA is cooler LMAO
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Originally posted by azuma joestar@Apr 17 2005, 12:15 PM
Smoker would win
He has that sword made out of seastone
Plus Smoker's VA is cooler LMAO
His old and his new
[snapback]32203[/snapback]No man!
Ace wins…Fire is more cooler...
Were not talking about weapons made of seastone here...
Were talking about the power of their Devil fruits...
shessh,...Peace!!Respect!! :lol: :D -
but we're not talking devil fruit
the topic is, if they fight
if they fight all smoker has to do is hit ace once with the seastone sword the battle would be practically over. i mean dont get me wrong i like ace and smoker
ace is insanely strong but you saw what happened to smoker in that jail cell in arabasta
he just sat there cause there was nothing he could do about it. -
Good point…heheheh but are you sure that Smoker can HIT??
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The only person who can honestly answer that question is Oda. Fire and smoke cancel each other out and who knows if Ace will let Smoker be able to whack him with his club.
(And personally, I had enough of these "which character would win" topics. It's just a fan's opinion against another fan's.)
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i'd say ace ,ace had confidence and said to smoker ,"you're smoke ,im fire ,you wanna match you me ,you're too far .." ..if i remember ,but i will think ace win ..both of them is hard to find out who's winner ,but ,i will think ace win
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Ace all the way he is da best. fire is so coooool :)
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Originally posted by Zio@Apr 17 2005, 12:18 AM
(And personally, I had enough of these "which character would win" topics. It's just a fan's opinion against another fan's.)
[snapback]32249[/snapback]Really. If it's like this, there should be a Battle forum hidden somewhere around here where posts don't count.
Anyway, I'd say Smoker. In a serious fight, there'd probably be a stalemate as well. However, a few whacks from Smoker's jitte and Ace would probably go down.
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personally i think those battle forums are cool. its nice to see what people think
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from logic smoker would win because fire can nothing do to smoke but smoke can take the air which fire need.
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Originally posted by Zio@Apr 17 2005, 01:18 PM
It's just a fan's opinion against another fan's.)
[snapback]32249[/snapback]Yeah, uh huh. I think that's what they call a discussion.
Gah, I imagine this fight would go on forever.
I'm trying to list disadvantages/advantages on either side…I can' think of any that would really call the fight in anyone's favor.
I guess that can be a good thing, because it wouldn't be predictable...but hey, we could be here for days.
Anyway, even without total back up of details, I'm gonna say...Ace.
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I think it would be a draw because they come from the same element though I would like Ace to win.
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Originally posted by Buccaneer+Apr 17 2005, 07:35 AM–>QUOTE(Buccaneer @ Apr 17 2005, 07:35 AM)
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i have to disagree with you
he's a high ranking military official in charge of defending logue town
meaning hes seen plenty of strong pirates go in and come out of there. it's gotta be very possible that he is most likely as strong as ace. i think his jitte will play a very important role in the fight. i mean he can weaken ace with it but on the down side all ace has to do is get it away from smoker and use it on him to really give him a beating. I still honestly think smoker would win, although fire and smoke come from the same element smoker has white out! instant smoke screen baby just blanket the area, all he needs is on egood surprise attack on ace and the match woul dbe over. im not saying hes gonna win easy but the moment he clobbers ace with that jitte, ace is going down man -
Well I have to disagree with you because defending a town in East Blue against East Blue pirates is nothing against facing the pirates of the Grand Line.
East Blue is the weakest of the four blue´s and before there came Luffy, the Pirate with the highest bounty in East Blue was Arlong with a bounty of 20.000.000 Berry.
This means that Smoker has been dealing with a lot of weaklings in Loguetown. Who can´t even be compared to the special agents of Baroque Works let alone their boss, let alone the other Shichibukai, let alone Shanks, Whitebeard etc. (you get the picture).And as far as his high marine rank is concerned. He has the same marine rank as that weakling Morgan, which is a captain of a marine. Sorry but the Loguetown argument doesn´t convince me that he´s able to beat Whitebeards second in command.
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Loguetown is the town at the entrance of the grand line
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Draw. They can´t harm the other with his attacks. If Smoker uses his "sword", then maybe he could win.
Hey, Aycee, where did you get that gif? it´s from the spanish version ^^ -
about smokers rank i would say that it doesnt have to do with his strenght,
his relativly low rank is probably because he always pisses of his superiors like when he told them to eat shit when they wanted to give him a promotion and a medal or when he just left loguetown to follow luffy completly ignoring his orders to defend the town,
and about the fight smoker would win and his jitte would be the thing that settles the fight since they cant harm each other with their powers,
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Originally posted by Ivotas@Apr 17 2005, 05:28 AM
As far as Ace vs. Smoker is concerned. I don´t think that Smoker´s staff would play any important role in the fight. I mean Ace isn´t Whitebeard´s second in command for nothing. I´m sure that he´s to good for being defeated by such an easy move.
And since I mention Whitebeard, if Smoker is truly in that league to take on Whitebeards second in command, then he actually must be in the league of the three Admiral Supreme´s already but he´s not yet (but I´m sure that at the end of One Piece he will surpass them). So I guess right now Ace is a little bit ahead of Smoker, so he wins after a very tough fight.
[snapback]32373[/snapback]Rank doesn't decide strength, and neither does bounty. In Alabasta, Smoker says something along the lines of "Those that I considered my equals have moved up in the world." He'd rather be lower in rank than an ass kisser.
This means that Smoker has been dealing with a lot of weaklings in Loguetown. Who can´t even be compared to the special agents of Baroque Works let alone their boss, let alone the other Shichibukai, let alone Shanks, Whitebeard etc. (you get the picture).
He makes his living off of pirates that aren't very strong, but that doesn't take away from his own ability. No matter how high Ace is in Whitebeard's crew, he's not going to be able to brush off getting smashed in the head with seastone.
Ace doesn't seem to have anything to attack him with. He has DF powers, a gun, and we can assume he's a good fist fighter. None of these work against Smoker.
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_Originally posted by azuma joestar+Apr 17 2005, 01:12 PM–>QUOTE(azuma joestar @ Apr 17 2005, 01:12 PM)Loguetown is the town at the entrance of the grand line
Pirates from all over the world have to come through loguetown, not only just east blue
[snapback]32390[/snapback]Actually no. Only pirates from the East Blue can enter through the East Blue Rivers Mountain channel. Pirates form North, South and West Blue take their own entrances.
Originally posted by wolfwood@Apr 17 2005, 02:23 PM
**about smokers rank i would say that it doesnt have to do with his strenght,his relativly low rank is probably because he always pisses of his superiors like when he told them to eat shit when they wanted to give him a promotion and a medal or when he just left loguetown to follow luffy completly ignoring his orders to defend the town,**
Well I actually agree with you. The rank itself doesn´t neccessarily mean strenght. Best example for that is that Morgan and Smoker share the same rank. I´m sure that he would have had a higher rank if he wouldn´t be that much of a rebel among the marines. However, even if he would be a team player I doubt that he would be at the level of Aokiji yet. As I said I see him surpass every marine at the end but for now I don´t think he´s so far. And since it is my personal opinion that the Whitebeard pirates could take on the three Admiral Supremes I think that Ace is ahead of Smoker. Not much but enough to emerge victorious after a long and tough fight.
@Apr 17 2005, 03:02 PM
Rank doesn't decide strength, and neither does bounty. In Alabasta, Smoker says something along the lines of "Those that I considered my equals have moved up in the world." He'd rather be lower in rank than an ass kisser.__Just explained that in the response for wolfwood. :)
He makes his living off of pirates that aren't very strong, but that doesn't take away from his own ability. No matter how high Ace is in Whitebeard's crew, he's not going to be able to brush off getting smashed in the head with seastone.
No he´s not able to do that but my point was that someone who is Whitebeards second in command should be able to avoid being hit be a seastone. No matter how great the effects of a seastone are, it is useless if it doesn´t hit the target. I mean how often does Sanji get attacked by guys with swords and he always beats them up without being sliced by a sword. So I think Ace´s reflexes should be far superior even if his opponent is Smoker. I mean according to Luffy he must have been pretty good battle skills even before he ate the Mera Mera fruit.
Ace doesn't seem to have anything to attack him with. He has DF powers, a gun, and we can assume he's a good fist fighter. None of these work against Smoker.
[snapback]32418[/snapback]I fist doesn´t work against smoker when he is in smoke form, but to hold the seastone staff his arm has to become solid. So here Ace could attack that one arm himself to get rid of the weapon and even the odds (or if he doesn´t want to play fair to use the weapons against Smoker himself)._
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Probably Ace. He did not seem like he was fighting seriously back in his fight with Smoker.
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That was filler, but if you do count it, then you'd have to admit that neither could push the other with DF powers. That's why they didn't bother to keep going.
Originally posted by Ivotas@Apr 17 2005, 10:27 AM
Well I actually agree with you. The rank itself doesn´t neccessarily mean strenght. Best example for that is that Morgan and Smoker share the same rank. I´m sure that he would have had a higher rank if he wouldn´t be that much of a rebel among the marines. However, even if he would be a team player I doubt that he would be at the level of Aokiji yet. As I said I see him surpass every marine at the end but for now I don´t think he´s so far. And since it is my personal opinion that the Whitebeard pirates could take on the three Admiral Supremes I think that Ace is ahead of Smoker. Not much but enough to emerge victorious after a long and tough fight.Smoker probably won't get better at all. He's one of the OP ballers, the people who'd never have to worry about getting their ass kicked. I don't even see Aokiji beating him, though it's possible.
No he´s not able to do that but my point was that someone who is Whitebeards second in command should be able to avoid being hit be a seastone. No matter how great the effects of a seastone are, it is useless if it doesn´t hit the target. I mean how often does Sanji get attacked by guys with swords and he always beats them up without being sliced by a sword. So I think Ace´s reflexes should be far superior even if his opponent is Smoker. I mean according to Luffy he must have been pretty good battle skills even before he ate the Mera Mera fruit.
[snapback]32418[/snapback]The difference between Ace and Smoker can't be as great as the difference between Sanji and your average pirate. You saw what Gin did to him, right? There can be a gap in strength, but skill with a weapon could compensate.
I fist doesn´t work against smoker when he is in smoke form, but to hold the seastone staff his arm has to become solid. So here Ace could attack that one arm himself to get rid of the weapon and even the odds (or if he doesn´t want to play fair to use the weapons against Smoker himself).
[snapback]32447[/snapback]Not sure how adept Smoker is with it, but if he can get it to make contact with Ace's person, then he'd win. Not only does it negate powers, but it paralyzes its victims.
And if he lost it, hey, it'd just be another stalemate.
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Gotta go with Smoker, he just rocks.
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Originally posted by Buccaneer@Apr 17 2005, 05:06 PM
Smoker probably won't get better at all. He's one of the OP ballers, the people who'd never have to worry about getting their ass kicked. I don't even see Aokiji beating him, though it's possible.Well I don´t think that Smoker get much better, but I still think that he will improve. With every fight you get more experience and that improves your skills. And so far Smoker hasn´t been pushed to his limits. So if Smoker one day fights a guy who pushes him to his limits, as a consequence he will get stronger if he beats that guy. After Tashigi is already getting more experienced so I figure same would happen to her boss.
The difference between Ace and Smoker can't be as great as the difference between Sanji and your average pirate. You saw what Gin did to him, right? There can be a gap in strength, but skill with a weapon could compensate.
Good objection. However this actually doesn´t really negate what I´ve said. As stupid as it may sounds Gin´s weapons are weapons a strong guy can take hits from. A hit from the seastone staff is already enough to let a Devil Fruit user lose his strengh, so I guess a DF user as Ace will be very cautious to not get in contact with the staff.
Not sure how adept Smoker is with it, but if he can get it to make contact with Ace's person, then he'd win. Not only does it negate powers, but it paralyzes its victims.
Well just what I said, that´s a reason why Ace would be very careful. One hit and it´s over. And I think Ace is good enough to avoid that.
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well he cant avoid it forever,
i see it pretty simple smoker has a weapon that can hurt ace,
ace has no means whats so ever to hurt smoker at least nothing we have seen so far,
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ok you take that stick aim it at ace and he will burn it to the ground before it touches ace
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nope cause his flame is part of his devil fruit power and sea stone neutalizes those powers and even if thats not the case it made of metal he couldnt melt it before it hit him….
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isnt made from the seastone? ok maybe he can get something like the dagger he carrys and fence of smoker strikes. ACE will figure something out he is not a leader of Whitebeard ship for nothing
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Yeah, but Smoker has seniority. He was probably a Marine when Ace was still in diapers.
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smoker looks old yet i think he is young. having white hair doesnt meen your old
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Originally posted by wolfwood@Apr 17 2005, 05:56 PM
well he cant avoid it forever,Nope, he can´t. And he doesn´t need to. He just needs to avoid it once and to hit the carrying hand at the same time and the odds are even. As I said a skilled guy like Ace should be able to do that even if his opponent is Smoker. After all his life would depend on it.
i see it pretty simple smoker has a weapon that can hurt ace,
Exactly, that´s what I meant with Ace´s life would depend on knowing how to get rid of that weapon.
ace has no means whats so ever to hurt smoker at least nothing we have seen so far,
[snapback]32512[/snapback]Skilled fighters don´t need a special weapon. If you´re good you can turn anything into a weapon. Just throw a rock at Smoker´s and if you did it correctly he will lose hold of the staff.
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well maybe but its not ace vs some amatuer its against a man who i see as his equal in both unarmed combat and in devilfruit powers so i dont think hed be able to make him drop his staff at least not easily,
and still that would just make it a draw since then they cant hurt each other so ace has no real way of winning
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Originally posted by devil^^kid_@Apr 17 2005, 12:13 PM
smoker looks old yet i think he is young. having white hair doesnt meen your old
[snapback]32536[/snapback]He's 34, 14 years older than Ace. And he doesn't (never did?) have anyone to look out for him, so he's gotta be pretty bad. He's also encountered people like Crocodile, Aokiji, and Dragon.
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How did you find out how old he is? anyway look at the peole Ace incountered whitebeard blackbeard and i guess other famous pirates (i.e shanks, if luffy used tro see shanks and ace was his brother then i bet ace met shanks atleast once or so)
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Originally posted by wolfwood@Apr 17 2005, 06:28 PM
well maybe but its not ace vs some amatuer its against a man who i see as his equal in both unarmed combat and in devilfruit powers so i dont think hed be able to make him drop his staff at least not easily,Of course Smoker´s not a nobody. But you just have compare which one of them both has more to loose to understand their determination. If Ace get´s hit just one time by the staff it´s over. He will be captured and executed. Smoker on the other hand if he loses the staff still has the chance to fight it out with him. In this particular situation Ace would be like an cornered animal who just has this one opportunity to survive and someone with his skills should be able to do the right thing to get rid of the big threat that is his stuff.
and still that would just make it a draw since then they cant hurt each other so ace has no real way of winning
[snapback]32546[/snapback]No he has not. It´s just my opinion that Ace is stronger. I have no real argument that can prove that. Just my point of view. Your´s is equally good, so no point in arguing that. I just wanted to make clear that the seastone staff is no guarantee for a victory for Smoker since Ace is not a nobody who can be caught that easily. :)
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I'm going with Ace on this one.
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Doesn't anyone get it Ace will win against Smoker and Smoker is scared of Ace because if he captured him or killed him Whitebeard and Luffy will come after him !
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…Looks like you're the one that doesn't get it. Smoker was going to arrest Ace in the restaurant, so he's not afraid of Whitebeard and he sure as Hell isn't afraid of Luffy.
People probably took the clash in Alabasta to mean that Smoker couldn't beat Ace. Well, Ace can't beat him either, or he probably would have. The "not serious" thing doesn't work either, because in the end, he just left.
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Originally posted by ZORO THE DEMON@Apr 17 2005, 09:01 PM
Doesn't anyone get it Ace will win against Smoker and Smoker is scared of Ace because if he captured him or killed him Whitebeard and Luffy will come after him !
[snapback]32591[/snapback]i think smoker is not afraid of whitebeard. yet any pirate. i think he is not afraid of dragon and dragon has a status amoung the pirate age
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Originally posted by devil^^kid_@Apr 17 2005, 12:06 PM
isnt made from the seastone? ok maybe he can get something like the dagger he carrys and fence of smoker strikes. ACE will figure something out he is not a leader of Whitebeard ship for nothing
[snapback]32527[/snapback]Seastone is a metal.
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ok thanx for the info
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Originally posted by ZORO THE DEMON@Apr 17 2005, 07:01 PM
Doesn't anyone get it Ace will win against Smoker and Smoker is scared of Ace because if he captured him or killed him Whitebeard and Luffy will come after him !
[snapback]32591[/snapback]You seem the one who doesn´t get that Smoker is not the guy who´s affraid of anybody. If it would have been Whitebeard in that restaurant he would have probalby said the same thing he said to Ace. No matter what Whitebeard could have done to him, Smoker is not the kind of guy who would favour his own life over the escape of a pirate. And before anyone brings in the argument that he let the Strawhats escape. It is something he owed them.
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Ace!!!!, cause his flames are so damm powerful. :blink:
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smoker is the kind of guy who wants make sure that he is clear ith everybody so the guy cant say anything when he is cought or killed