Look on the bright side, we might get to see a colorspread of
@silvers:
Hancock + Nami + Robin + Vivi with Luffy in the middle. Dam that would get so many LOLs.
Forgot to mention. All 5 of them in a hot spring.
Chapter 525 "Underwater Prison Impel Down" Discussion
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proving Luffy's pimposity now and forever
And when this manga closes out, and Luffy's arm stretches back to deliver that last punch, I wanna feel the crunch of the dream coming true.
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@dirt:
proving Luffy's pimposity now and forever
Usually I would say best post in this thread, but this is the best post in the whole fucking site! Post of the year.
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Sanji: Why… do you score all the chicks...?!?!?!?!?
Luffy: http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/2/14/
Sanji: Orz -
That good Sir, is the reason Oda is in the driver's seat and not me.
Well, the question was meant as rhetoric. I had a feeling you might say exactly what you did, but I left it as is regardless. I simply meant to point out that there would be few (even for Oda) reasons for her to want to visit Impel Down first, and that wanting to see Ace – the whole reason behind all this -- isn't that strange a request coming from a spoiled brat type of character. In fact, I think it fits her persona perfectly. I understand what you mean though, so I will not argue opinion or anything. I felt satisfied, you did not. Oda disappoints us
allfrom time to time; life goes on. All in all, her request (to me) was fitting, and given the pressure that the Marines have at the moment I can understand their hesitancy at having her go there. Momonga has brought it up a few times and made it clear she shouldn't be allowed to, but since the need calls for it they will allow the exception under strict guidelines of her being cuffed (seastone), guarded, searched, and escorted on a time limit. Well, he said they didn't have much time. Anyways, we should all move on from this. I don't see this as even close to being a weak story point, but I certainly can understand your (and a few others') disappointment at the way Oda did things.It wasn't my intent to patronize you in any way shape or form. I meant it in a playful way but sometimes I forget this is the internet and not a fireside chat so I apologize if it rubbed you the wrong way.
I make it a habit not to get offended or
'rubbed'*by someone online. Either way, I understood it was meant as a joke, which is why I added the "Urr, I mean, hahaha yes you may" bit. It would appear the internet has failed us both this time around. Well, to an extent. Anyway, here's to a chaotic and slow week without a chapter. -
I really like your idea here, Ivotas. This would be a very appropriate explanation for her motive to see Ace, and I'd accept it. But the way it was presented makes it hard to swallow. Her request came out of the blue, no dialogue stating her reasons..it just appears to me like it happened like "hey I wanna see that Ace-dude just 4 fun" "Ok, aslong as you're coming to the war…"
Oda should have put some depth into this, 1 or 2 panels could have been enough, but I guess he really has some time-pressure. Nontheless it's just a minor thing,doesn't undermine this great chapter.Ahh, I see what seems to be the problem here. It's a valid point you raise but I doubt that it is really a problem. The point is that we didn't even see how she presented the idea to Momonga. All we had was "I was able to get approval from above for your request". However if she said it in one sentence or if she had an hour long discussion with Momonga via Phone Snail remains in the shadows.
Perhaps Oda simply didn't use it because he feels that it should be obvious. I mean, how often did it happen in mangas that somebody who didn't want to fight in the end entered the fight because the enemy went too far? It really is a popular concept and something that (at least for my part) easily hits the mind when you think about such story development. I mean if we would have it black on white that Hancock really was like "I simply want to see him or I want join" then it would have a bitter even taste for me. But as long as what I suggest is also very likely I'd say let's go with it until proven wrong.
Also it only works so well because Hancock refused to take part in the war at first. Then the idea of "I'll only enter hell if I've got a good reason" works really well because her refuse gives the WG/Marine the impression that she is anything but enthusiastic for their plan. If wouldn't have refused from the begining and have requested to go to ID then I would have found it hard to swallow. But that wasn't the case either. So all things put together it pretty much makes sense, if you approach the thing with logic premises. At least to me it's nothing that strikes as remotely strange.
If there's something retarded to be found in the chapter then it's that the Assistant Warden of Impel Down didn't know that Buggy had a DF ability.
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Well he is pretty small-time^O^
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1. Colorspread of Shichibukai
2. Colorspread of Yonkou
3. Colorspread of WG's top forces
4. Colorspread of Hancock and her amazon crew <3 <3 <34! 4! 4! 4! 4! It have to be number four!!! Eh, why i m posting this ym… oh yeah, great chapter because of that hot officer chick.
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I had a feeling you might say exactly what you did, but I left it as is regardless.
Which is precisely why I did ^_~ I did not want to disappoint.
Ivotas, dunno if you got my Facebook message but I emptied some space in my inbox and eagerly await your message.
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Ivotas, dunno if you got my Facebook message but I emptied some space in my inbox and eagerly await your message.
Depends on how many you sent. I've got one reply from you on which I've sent you a large message. Did you send me a second one in reply to said large message or did you perhaps not receive the large message in the first place?
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I've got nothing man. Did you send 'em to my Inbox here?
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To stay on topic. Facebook sucks :) All those people there exposing their life to anyone. If you want nowadays a job, the companies will search for facebook or studivz (for the germans here) to see what you're doing irl…
I'm worried about how the marines are keeping many Sea kings around Impel down. Maybe that they are feeding them with sentenced to death prisoners. -
Yeah, I've heard of that practices a lot. I'm really waiting to meet an employer who will confront me with this (especially with StudiVZ) because I'm ready to rape his ass with arguments. Everybody who falls victim to such practices doesn't deserve any better.[/offtopic]
You raise a valid topic that I totally forgot to adress so far. How come those Sea Kings don't attack Impel Down? I mean Momonga himself said, that even though the Marine vessels have those seastone protection at some point, they will be noticed by pure eyesight. Same applies to Impel Down. There's no way the Sea Kings can't notice it with pure eyesight.
That said, this has to be the largest Sea Kings we've seen in One Piece so far. I mean just look how tiny those battleships (that are the largest vessels we've seen in OP so far) are compared to them. The size difference is even bigger then the one between Going Merry and the large King from chapter 101. Scary.
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Or somehow the mad doctor Vegapunk has found a way to control some of them thus keeping them around Impel down to defend it. Their size is indeed scary. It would be weird if they build a prison there without thinking about those big sea kings. Another thing… How did they build impel down? That's also a mystery. And i don't think that they build it on an island and garp just throw it away in the calm belt. They don't have the technology to do it now so what do you think?
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Personally I don't take building that thing to be that much of an issue as remaining intact while detected. With the Seatrain, we've seen that there are technologies to keep Seakings away. Tom said something along the lines of the tracks sending a high frequency tone that the Seakings don't like. And I'm sure that people back then were able to use something of same sort to keep the Seakings away for the time being, giving them time to construct Impel Down.
But not, that the prison actually stands we see large Seakings swimming round around it. I mean the "keep them away" factor doesn't work anymore because there practically there. But thinking about it, perhaps the reason why it doesn't get attacked is exactly because Impel Down is so large that each Seaking can see it with pure eyesight. They might consider it to be some huge rock. It's not like it appears lively anyways, so that might be it.
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I predict a Sea King will slam it in the coming chapters.
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Would mean everybody inside would either die or escape, which I somehow doubt. Though it would truly turn into a rampaging age then.^^
However I doubt it mainly because back then I expected the Buster Call to be so destructive to sink Enies Lobby's main island into the abyss. If such a destructive thing didn't happen with all the premises given then I doubt the equivalent counterpart here would happen.
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Ok i will rephrase what kind of problems i have with ID. The calm belt is full of sea kings right? But it can't be that each of them is staying at his place and is waiting there for 2 tons of fish falling from the sky in their mouth. Also the idea that the calm belt is full of fish is absrud to me. They are all so huge that they must eat a lot every day.
That just can't be if you have the theory that there are really really too much sea kings at the calm belt. So let's assume that in the calm belts there are more sea kings. But not too much that there is no room for movements there. And they all need food (minimum is one meal every day). So they're not at the same place the whole time. We saw that a freaking huge sea king blocked the way of the big top (buggys ship). I now assume that the marines are keeping huge sea kings around ID to guard it. So they're now controlling them with magnetic waves? Did they recruit apes for this job? :DNo seriously it's really weird that there are so much sea kings around impel down. And if the marines are feeding them with prisoners one of the sea king must have had the thought that if they break that huge rock they will become more food. Common logic for them. And we can also assume that the sea kings fight against each others thus with the number of them around ID this place isn't even safe for the marines.
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Feeding a Seaking to satisfy his hunger would equal a holocaust. I mean just look at the size of the ones on the spread. If those examples are your proposed "watchdogs" then they'd require a hundred thousand prisoners to fill their stomach.
I mean I know that large creatures like the bluewhale eat very small fish, but it eats them in large numbers. So if you were planning to draw a comparison here, then a matching analogy would be that while one of those Seakings is a bluewhale, then those Marine battleships would be the fish said whale eats. And such a ship can harbour at least a thousand men. So no matter how you look at it, they can't possibly feed the Seakings enough prisoners.
Furthermore, the Calm Belt is said to be the Seakings breeding ground. So they usually don't hunt their prey there unless of course it accidentally penetrates that region. In other words they get their food hunting somewhere else. Also being a breeding ground explains why there is a constant presense of all kinds of different Seakings.
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You're talking about plankton (my natural enemy but as a schwammkopf i always stay calm :D). But i wouldn't compare whales and plankton with this huge sea king and the huge battleships. I cannot imagine them living friendly there. I can very well imagine some aggressive sea kings attacking young sea kings belonging to another sea king race.
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Yeah, that is much more appropriate sizewise. Even other seacreatures like whales or squids can be their prey. But prisoners arent likely to be even tasted. It's like trying to feed a human with a couple of salt crystals.
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And what this analogy: Sharks can track blood and they're attracted by it cause instincts and stuff like that. What if the huge sea kings were attracted like that. That must not be blood. Maybe that vegapunk found something that makes the sea kings wild and attract them.
EDIT: I have understand that it's not likely that the sea kings are fed with prisoners. But to attract sharks (so that the tourists can see "yeah a shark") people use blood. My idea is that they're using a similar idea with sea kings to keep them around that rock. I don't think that the sea kings will attack ID after being attracted. To them it's only "i smell food" swim to ID then search for it and after a while "nothing here so i need to move on". And if the marines are doing it regularly then they can have nearly all the time sea kings around ID.
The marines are doing it to reduce the chances of an escape and to keep pirates/rebells from breaking in.
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Attracted to what? To Impel Down or to single prisoner?
If it's the first, then they probably would have already attacked Impel Down. If it's the later then they would have probably swallowed the single prisoner. Still doesn't change the fact that it's unlikely to be fed with prisoners.
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I dont think the seakings are as big as you think they are. it was just the perspective. the shot was from the bottom of the sea to the top. so the seakings look a heck of a lot bigger than the ships but i dont think they are that much bigger than them. or maybe the same size
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a simpler solution would be to have some sort of Wave generator at the bottom of the prison. A simple turbine creating waves that would make Seakings avoid it. Also, something similar to the resonance that keeps them away from the Seatrain tracks would work, too.
I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.
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@Fire Fist:
Also, something similar to the resonance that keeps them away from the Seatrain tracks would work, too.
I think that is the answer, actually. Too bad I missed out on this discussion.
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Not sure if this has been aske before, but how is Alvida (or, rather Buggy's) ship travelling in the Calm Belt? Or are they just at the fringes?
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I was under the impression they were on the border of it. They were talking about using Enies Lobby, so they were probably observing the place from afar.
I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.
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@Fire Fist:
They were talking about using Enies Lobby.
Ehhh?? They were…?
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I dont think the seakings are as big as you think they are. it was just the perspective. the shot was from the bottom of the sea to the top. so the seakings look a heck of a lot bigger than the ships but i dont think they are that much bigger than them. or maybe the same size
From how interpret the drawing the surface isn't that far away but actually directly above the one Seaking which is behind Impel Down. But then again, that's all about personal impressions.^^
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The whole "circling" of the Sea Kings kinda seems that they are actually guarding ID - intentionally or unintentionally. I do not think ID is covered with Sea-stones. So far the "resonating wave" theory seems most probable. Some sort of technology is probably keeping them at bay, and yet (probably) attracting them towards ID - some kind of technique to keep them close, but not too close.
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ID ate the tame-tame fruit
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I dont think the seakings are as big as you think they are. it was just the perspective. the shot was from the bottom of the sea to the top. so the seakings look a heck of a lot bigger than the ships but i dont think they are that much bigger than them. or maybe the same size
I think the sea kings are huge and if you dont belive me look at this page
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Ehhh?? They were…?
Well, the Gate of Justice is only 3 places, and the other two are Marineford (Marine HQ) and ID (Their destination), and they aren't exactly just going to jolly into Marineford and go, "Hay, whutz goin on Marines? Can wez use ur gate to rescue r boss plz? K thx bai!"
Of course, they didn't use the GoJ at Enies Lobby because there's probably still guards posted there despite the destroyed state that it's in.
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Well, the Gate of Justice is only 3 places, and the other two are Marineford (Marine HQ) and ID (Their destination).
Oh. I see what you mean now. You are another person who believes that the Gates of Justice are the only way into the Tarai Current then? See, I was never sure about that myself, and the recent illustrations seem to prove you can enter the current whenever you want, but you can only leave via the Gates of Justice.
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I think the sea kings are huge and if you dont belive me look at this page
wow i forgot how big they were. but i was talking about how ivotas say's they are the biggest seaking's we've seen. I guess they are probably bigger than the marine ships there but i doubt they are bigger than the seakings from that chapter.
since luffy said those ships were even bigger than the ones at buster call, they can probably stand a chance against those seaking were they to ever attack. like how vice admiral momonga is able to beat those seakings that attacked him. I think its the seastone or watever that keeps them from being noticed. it also looks like those ships hardly ever move. and neither does impel Down. my guess is that the seaking are at peace so long as there is not too much movement.
I'll be awesome to see them get pissed off at time of war.
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Oh. I see what you mean now. You are another person who believes that the Gates of Justice are the only way into the Tarai Current then? See, I was never sure about that myself, and the recent illustrations seem to prove you can enter the current whenever you want, but you can only leave via the Gates of Justice.
Huh, I thought we agreed on a version where both, your and my theory would work?
wow i forgot how big they were. but i was talking about how ivotas say's they are the biggest seaking's we've seen. I guess they are probably bigger than the marine ships there but i doubt they are bigger than the seakings from that chapter.
But they clearly are the biggest Seakings we've seen. I mean look at the Seaking behind Impel Down. He is that large even though he is behind the building. Just look at the third spread to catch an understanding of how big the aperture of the top part (the thinnest one) of ID is and you can grasp how insanely large the Seaking behind ID must be. He's clearly largest we've seen so far.
since luffy said those ships were even bigger than the ones at buster call, they can probably stand a chance against those seaking were they to ever attack. like how vice admiral momonga is able to beat those seakings that attacked him. I think its the seastone or watever that keeps them from being noticed. it also looks like those ships hardly ever move. and neither does impel Down. my guess is that the seaking are at peace so long as there is not too much movement.
Luffy did not say the ships are bigger then in the Buster Call, he said there are more ships present then in the Buster Call. If you look closely, those are the exact same battleships.
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But they clearly are the biggest Seakings we've seen. I mean look at the Seaking behind Impel Down. He is that large even though he is behind the building. Just look at the third spread to catch an understanding of how big the aperture of the top part (the thinnest one) of ID is and you can grasp how insanely large the Seaking behind ID must be. He's clearly largest we've seen so far.
yeah they are huge. but I cant really tell how big the ones from before are. these are probably bigger i guess.
Luffy did not say the ships are bigger then in the Buster Call, he said there are more ships present then in the Buster Call. If you look closely, those are the exact same battleships.
damn i just saw again. ur right and those seakings ARE freaking huge. but i still think they can stand a chance at least to fight one at a time(relative small size lol). but with the seastone its unlikely they all attack. maybe we need to wait to get an explanation from oda :P
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damn i just saw again. ur right and those seakings ARE freaking huge. but i still think they can stand a chance at least to fight one at a time(relative small size lol). but with the seastone its unlikely they all attack. maybe we need to wait to get an explanation from oda :P
Well I also had to look again and I agree that for the two in the front perspective might be what makes them big. But the thing in the back is simply the ultimate shiznit of Seakings we've seen so far.
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Agreed. That is one big Seaking.O_O
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Oh. I see what you mean now. You are another person who believes that the Gates of Justice are the only way into the Tarai Current then? See, I was never sure about that myself, and the recent illustrations seem to prove you can enter the current whenever you want, but you can only leave via the Gates of Justice.
Buggy's ship is spotted by Momonga's ship …doesnt look like they were anywhere near EL.
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You can enter the current from anywhere, it doesn't need to be through the Gates of Justice. The current is not a tunnel.
When they say you can't return from the GOJ I thought it was because the current won't let you turn around and plus there's that whirlpool there. Sorta like the currents are a one way street.
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I still say that it requires to Open the Gate of Justice so that you can enter from anywhere. Oda didn't draw those U-Turn-Arrows without a purpose. If they aren't meant to show that they form a wall that can't be penetrated from outside, he could aswell have completely let it be to include them on the map.
I agree though with the idea that you don't have to go through the Gate of Justice to enter. But that only if you open the Gate fully in order to disrupt the current flow, which would allow you to enter. Remember that at Enies Lobby those whirlpools disappeared once the gate opened entirely? And once it closed again the whirlpools returned. I guess this is the same for those currents that I label as "outer wall". If you open the gate fully, they disappear and you can enter from any point. And when you close the gates, the "wall" returns. Thus Momonga's ship could have entered without going through the EL gate.
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Huh, I thought we agreed on a version where both, your and my theory would work?
No. If I remember correctly we just stopped talking about it. I think you were still under the impression they entered the Gates of Just via Enies Lobby, which – while still possible -- I think is unlikely without Oda having made a fairly huge mistake two times in a row. [[URL="http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/524/13/"]One; Two]. Like I said, I am not eliminating the possibility or anything, I just don't remember it ever being stated that you cannot enter the current from the outside; only that you cannot leave once inside unless you have access to the Gates of Justice. So I don't see how the gates would be usless if you can get inside the current without them. In fact, logically speaking, I would argue you cannot enter the current from teh Gates of Justice. If we are going off of Nyon's explanation of how they work, then opening them pushes the current from INSIDE the whirlpool, to OUTSIDE of the doors. How do you propose a Marine Battleship enter the whirlpool against that current? Though this does open the flood gates (no pun intended) for other questions, it woudn't make things too complicated. Bored; Illustration:
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I understand what you are saying, but doesn't the force of a whirlpool make that effect? I mean when the water is forcing a specific direction in a specific location, the other currents that hit it will be forced to turn with it and could then cause those reverse effects, but that wouldn't make a "wall" blocking anyone from entering. You just ride the current in and make sure you go into the whirlpool at the joining point. Or something. Maybe you are right, but having the Gates of Justice single handedly stop the whirlpool enough to bring that "wall" down seems a little hard to believe, while also slightly over-complicating matters.
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As you said brennen when a gate is open, you will be sailing against the current (if you're trying to enter the whirlppol and you're currently in front of the gate). To me it seems like you can enter everywhere. But to sail out of it you need one gate to be open thus with the current you will sail through the gate out of the whirlpool. Without those doorsa when you're sucked in you will never have the chance to come out.
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"Meh" chapter, after 524, i don't care anymore about the building up, i just want the damn war.
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Ever consider the chance Luffy would PREVENT the war?
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Luffy? Preventing the war?- Luffy can't save Ace, he will only talk with him, its impossible to actually save him there.
- Even if Luffy saved Ace, WB wouldn't probably know, unless Ace showed up and said it, but he would probably get arrested anyways.
- Even if Whitebeard knows, he's already enraged, until he gets the Blackbeard's head, he won't stop.
So, i doubt it
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I don't think Luffy will prevent the war, but I could imagine him assisting in the process that stops the war.
