I hope some Kuja warriors assist Luffy. I'm really hoping Nyon goes and fights for some reason. I could just imagine her kicking some ass. I mean, she was a former empress, she can almost definitely use haki, and she's old (Some of the strongest people in this manga are old farts.). If nothing else I think a fight with her would be humorous. Am I the only one? Does anyone else wanna see this old lady brawl?
Chapter 522 "Deadly Disease" Discussion
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Hey all you anti-Hancock people, here's something to think about:
if Hancock turns out to be 27, then her position in the Strawhat "Family" could be Eldest Daughter, howver, if she's older than that she'd have to be the aunt or grandmother, which would both seem out of character (unless that's the joke)If she does (somehow) join, I think it would be more like daughter-in-law
Of course, this is only if Oda does something about that outrageous advantage of hers
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Here, I will put it together more clearly: OldSnake makes a comment about how people are hating on you even though you are one of the most civilized people on the forum.
I didn't read OldSnake's post as it pertained to me. So when I read it again in your post I figured it just didn't register.
Anyway no hard feelings, my mistake then. Back to the thread I guess.
I hope some Kuja warriors assist Luffy. I'm really hoping Nyon goes and fights for some reason. I could just imagine her kicking some ass.
I see her playing the Kokkoro role. I can see her defending herself but at the most just watching from the side lines doing the intangible things to help out. Another I thing I could see is her meeting the person she fell in love with at the war. Whether it be one of the gorusei or WB(although she didn't react in anyway saying his name) or maybe some other old geezer that'll show up(Garp:ninja:, Rayleigh:ninja:) lol…...
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I hope some Kuja warriors assist Luffy. I'm really hoping Nyon goes and fights for some reason. I could just imagine her kicking some ass. I mean, she was a former empress, she can almost definitely use haki, and she's old (Some of the strongest people in this manga are old farts.). If nothing else I think a fight with her would be humorous. Am I the only one? Does anyone else wanna see this old lady brawl?
I suppose she could fight someone. I think she won't do much fighting but she might prove to be useful at Impel Down. I think Luffy's most useful ally will probably be Hancock though.
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A match between two geezers. That's what we need.
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@Zik:
Another I thing I could see is her meeting the person she fell in love with at the war […] Garp.
LOL. While that would be funny, we better not discuss that too loud, otherwise people might start the MOM theories again.
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@Zik:
I see her playing the Kokkoro role. I can see her defending herself but at the most just watching from the side lines doing the intangible things to help out. Another I thing I could see is her meeting the person she fell in love with at the war. Whether it be one of the gorusei or WB(although she didn't react in anyway saying his name) or maybe some other old geezer that'll show up(Garp:ninja:, Rayleigh:ninja:) lol…...
Yeah, you're probably right there, probably just wishful thinking on my part. A man can dream though, a man can dream.
As far as meeting the one she loved, maybe. I've kind of been under the impression that said person was dead, but it's all in the dark, so maybe she just fell out of love with him or something happened between them. For some reason I was thinking she might end up being Luffy grandma, but that just seems silly and we just got over the Luffy's mom thing. But Rayleigh I hadn't even thought of. I do think there was some mention of him shacking up with random women so I wouldn't put it past him to have hooked up with her in the past or something. Jeez, who knows.
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@Zik:
or maybe some other old geezer that'll show up(Garp:ninja:, Rayleigh:ninja:) lol…...
Personally, I think she's too old
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i kno wut will happen. luffy will save ace or not, return back to shabody island, and his crew will be pissed that he didn't arrive. he'll have to work his way back, becoming the final member of the SHC
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Shounen Jump will have an earlier release this week and the legit HxH spoilers are out. One should look for OP spoilers now.
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Well, I'll take this opportunity to say, if anyone even leaks one line of a spoiler be it legitimate or not into this thread.
It'll be a straight up one month ban from the forum.
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Here's some haki for y'all:
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@Battle:
Well, I'll take this opportunity to say, if anyone even leaks one line of a spoiler be it legitimate or not into this thread.
It'll be a straight up one month ban from the forum.
sounds like you might have some already… post 'em dammit! ^^
what is it like to ban some1 for a month anyway? do you have to ban and unban him manually or do you have to set a time period f.e. 30 days? and how often did you use your might?
edit: i just have a rather firm interest in bans right now, cause friggin blizzard banned my friggin cd keys for absolutely no reason! wasn't using any hacks or programs and they just rape me. bad thing is that you confirm to like being raped by simply agreeing to their license agreements... fuck them, more luck on d3 (hopefully).
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sounds like you might have some already… post 'em dammit! ^^
No
what is it like to ban some1 for a month anyway?
It's a fairly mundane experience. It loses a lot of its luster after a few years, I guess.
do you have to ban and unban him manually or do you have to set a time period f.e. 30 days?
The latter.
and how often did you use your might?
Really not as often as some would have you believe.
Ok, back to topic.
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Personally, I think she's too old
Hmmm probably is, she's pruny like Dr. Kureha.
LOL. While that would be funny, we better not discuss that too loud, otherwise people might start the MOM theories again.
Yea I should've thought before I posted that. It's a joke ppl!!!! PLEASE DON'T RUN With IT!!! NO matter what's in the upcoming spoilers.
i kno wut will happen. luffy will save ace or not, return back to shabody island, and his crew will be pissed that he didn't arrive. he'll have to work his way back, becoming the final member of the SHC
LOL
A match between two geezers. That's what we need.
Yup we've already seen Luffy beat women, now for the senior citizens to brawl!
Well, I'll take this opportunity to say, if anyone even leaks one line of a spoiler be it legitimate or not into this thread.
Reading this made me rush out the thread to check for spoilers…...sigh
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@Zik:
I didn't read OldSnake's post as it pertained to me. So when I read it again in your post I figured it just didn't register.
Anyway no hard feelings, my mistake then. Back to the thread I guess.
I see her playing the Kokkoro role. I can see her defending herself but at the most just watching from the side lines doing the intangible things to help out. Another I thing I could see is her meeting the person she fell in love with at the war. Whether it be one of the gorusei or WB(although she didn't react in anyway saying his name) or maybe some other old geezer that'll show up(Garp:ninja:, Rayleigh:ninja:) lol…...
My post got deleted for some reason? I guess posts with compliments get erased in this forum…
EDIT: OH CRAP. I wasn't trying to go against anyone with that civilized COMMENT. I honestly didn't read a lot of past posts and I understand why it was deleted now lol. Trust me I don't try to go rebel like that, any misunderstandings MY BAD.
done kissing ass
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@Zik:
If Ace does die I can see Luffy being right around the act not being able to do anything since he'll be occupied with somebody like Akainu or better yet Doflamingo since it seems he can control ppl.
I happen to really think Oda wouldn't bring us there now of all times and not do something new and epically unpredictable.
Wow, for you to dare think Oda KILL Ace at that moment!….but if that were to happen and Luffy, as you say, would be helpless.....then I would expect some fucking HAKI OF A GOD to be unleashed....cause that just abusing the poor kid.
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I put this through babelfish and for once it actually proved useful.
it does…mhhh you should be able to do this on your own next time...
you just have to get the point or is this too much for you? you don`t have to understand Nietzsche orso:wassat: (and yeah iàm aware that iam not the best grammar expert around but even such a mega-brain like you,who could easily write in 5 languages,should be able to read through it....:sad:)also why trying to make a joke out of it...i wrote in a ironic way that your offer to ban this thread cause of 1! user is…ehhh in my opinion not something a mod should do...when you always take this as offensive against you (or how to handle your pointless comment to it)than don`t blame me ,
but in the end i see this thread still open so you have recognized that it was a stupid idea for 1! user….................... -
@Don:
it does…mhhh you should be able to do this on your own next time...
you just have to get the point or is this too much for you? you don`t have to understand Nietzsche orso:wassat: (and yeah iàm aware that iam not the best grammar expert around but even such a mega-brain like you,who could easily write in 5 languages,should be able to read through it....:sad:)also why trying to make a joke out of it...i wrote in a ironic way that your offer to ban this thread cause of 1! user is…ehhh in my opinion not something a mod should do...when you always take this as offensive against you (or how to handle your pointless comment to it)than don`t blame me ,
but in the end i see this thread still open so you have recognized that it was a stupid idea for 1! user…....................I put this through babelfish and for once it actually proved useful.
! :ninja:
Anyway, messing with this guy aside:
@Pirate_King_Sage:
I will not rule out the fact that he MIGHT just succeed, but probably not the way we would like him to (going in there and busting up all the baddies and leaving with everyone on the floor unconscious, bloody, and with bashed faces)
It's actually very easy to rule out Luffy succeeding due to the simple words Nyon spoke this chapter regarding Ace.
He's the World Government and Marine's most high profile suspect, and because of that Ace will be guarded by one(or more) very capable people that will prevent any rescue attempts. Although it won't be to the degree that it would be at Marineford during the actual execution, it'll surely be enough to hold off Luffy, at least long enough for a certain "someone"() to get ahold of him.
Which leads me to stating the below:
This is essentially one of the many reasons I'm disappointed with Luffy deciding to rescue Ace, and really the ending of Saobady in general. I'm tired of seeing Luffy fail, and I'm tired of them needing a way out that is at another's whim.
I can excuse not being able to help out during Kuma's assault back in Thriller Bark since he had just gotten done dealing with Moria. But during Saobady, as soon as Luffy punched out that Celestial Dragon, and in how the crew dealt with the Pacifista, Sentomaru and Borsalino I can't excuse. I'm all for raising tension during a dire situation, but the way it was handled was rather awful and it only showed the Strawhat Pirates sans Zoro as incompetent.
Basically I wanted them to get away on their own, they can't always have someone come to their aid or having some stroke of luck. But this is about more than just the current chapter so I'll stop here.:happy:
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! :ninja:
Anyway, messing with this guy aside:
It's actually very easy to rule out Luffy succeeding due to the simple words Nyon spoke this chapter regarding Ace.
He's the World Government and Marine's most high profile suspect, and because of that Ace will be guarded by one(or more) very capable people that will prevent any rescue attempts. Although it won't be to the degree that it would be at Marineford during the actual execution, it'll surely be enough to hold off Luffy, at least long enough for a certain "someone"() to get ahold of him.
Which leads me to stating the below:
This is essentially one of the many reasons I'm disappointed with Luffy deciding to rescue Ace, and really the ending of Saobady in general. I'm tired of seeing Luffy fail, and I'm tired of them needing a way out that is at another's whim.
I can excuse not being able to help out during Kuma's assault back in Thriller Bark since he had just gotten done dealing with Moria. But during Saobady, as soon as Luffy punched out that Celestial Dragon, and in how the crew dealt with the Pacifista, Sentomaru and Borsalino I can't excuse. I'm all for raising tension during a dire situation, but the way it was handled was rather awful and it only showed the Strawhat Pirates sans Zoro as incompetent.
Basically I wanted them to get away on their own, they can't always have someone come to their aid or having some stroke of luck. But this is about more than just the current chapter so I'll stop here.:happy:
Well to be fair, they were tired out with the first pacifista.
Anyway, rather than imagining Luffy failing, could you imagine if he succeeded(With his crew or without)? They would have just averted a global war!!! Just by themselves!!! That would have to be the most epic thing they had ever done to date. And I thought destroying Enies Lobby and beating CP9 was big enough. Destroying Impel Down, freeing all the prisoner including the most important prisoner in history and foiling the World Government's plans to defeat the Strongest Pirate in the World.
Too cool^^ Just imagine the bounty rise.
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Well to be fair, they were tired out with the first pacifista.
That was included in my post regarding my problems with what happened. Anyway I already addressed the inconsistency with that issue in detail back during those chapters' releases so I won't be boring anyone with restating them here.
I probably would have but dinty and boiga, among others, haven't been posting in discussions or just haven't been on.:sad:
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I'm tired of seeing Luffy fail, and I'm tired of them needing a way out that is at another's whim. But during Saobady, as soon as Luffy punched out that Celestial Dragon, and in how the crew dealt with the Pacifista, Sentomaru and Borsalino I can't excuse. It only showed the Strawhat Pirates sans Zoro as incompetent. Basically I wanted them to get away on their own, they can't always have someone come to their aid or having some stroke of luck.
I completely agree. Maybe I am dreaming, but I am really hoping that all of this buildup for Haki, all of the build up of Luffy needing to be stronger to protect his crew, all the build up of powerful characters and the New World, and then landing on an island where Haki is normal while learning Luffy has some sort of awesome "King" Haki or what-have-you –- I am hoping that at this point in the story Oda takes our main character and begins to open that door for him so he can take the next step. I am hoping that this "strong guard" is Luffy's "punching bag", and that we can begin to see (once more) the Luffy who can get sh** done. Perhaps I am dreaming. If I am not, however, then certain things like SA will be completely excused. I mean them losing really puts flavor into the series IMO, but taking it too far isn't enjoyable. As long as it serves a purpose (IE: Luffy's wakeup call) then I will be happy.
The only thing that it leaves me wondering is what the other crew members are going through right now and whether or not they will come back with any changes...? Part of me hopes not, or at least nothing major, and another part of me hopes for a little strength and maturity increase. I want to see a serious Strawhat crew again, and not a barely-making-it-out-alive crew. Like you said, "they can't always have someone come to their aid or having some stroke of luck."
I probably would have but dinty and boiga, among others, haven't been posting in discussions or just haven't been on.
I've seen Dinty on, but not in this sub-forum. Oh, and :sad:
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I like One Piece.
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^What a coincidence, so do I!
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That was included in my post regarding my problems with what happened. Anyway I already addressed the inconsistency with that issue in detail back during those chapters' releases so I won't be boring anyone with restating them here.
I probably would have but dinty and boiga, among others, haven't been posting in discussions or just haven't been on.:sad:
Well I think you're under-rating them. They're hardly incompetent. They were just facing some extremely powerful guys.
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! :ninja:
Anyway, messing with this guy aside:
:sad:why you mess with me??
i just wanted to say some comment was a little little bit overreacted by your side but now iam a guy you wont mess around with anymore.. how deep should i fall:sad: iam soooo sry mighty vanessa you
re right ,iam stupid ,cause i couldnt argue with you on that perfect level you can discuss things about in your native language..i shouldn
t even try right!?…i see i see, how dare i..
good that you can ignore my posts cause ":ninja:" gives me the perfect hint to see that you treat me like a troll here...well well -
@Don:
:sad:why you mess with me??
i just wanted to say some comment was a little little bit overreacted by your side but now iam a guy you wont mess around with anymore.. how deep should i fall:sad: iam soooo sry mighty vanessa you
re right ,iam stupid ,cause i couldnt argue with you on that perfect level you can discuss things about in your native language..i shouldn
t even try right!?…i see i see, how dare i..
good that you can ignore my posts cause ":ninja:" gives me the perfect hint to see that you treat me like a troll here...well wellChin up, Don Flamingo!
I think it's really courageous of you to post here in English when it's not your native language. I know a smidgen of German (if that's where you're from) but I would never dare post in German on any German boards!
I'm sure Vanessa was just kidding with you! Don't take things too personally around here yea?
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I completely agree. Maybe I am dreaming, but I am really hoping that all of this buildup for Haki, all of the build up of Luffy needing to be stronger to protect his crew, all the build up of powerful characters and the New World, and then landing on an island where Haki is normal while learning Luffy has some sort of awesome "King" Haki or what-have-you –- I am hoping that at this point in the story Oda takes our main character and begins to open that door for him so he can take the next step. I am hoping that this "strong guard" is Luffy's "punching bag", and that we can begin to see (once more) the Luffy who can get sh** done. Perhaps I am dreaming. If I am not, however, then certain things like SA will be completely excused. I mean them losing really puts flavor into the series IMO, but taking it too far isn't enjoyable. As long as it serves a purpose (IE: Luffy's wakeup call) then I will be happy.
While I personally wouldn't excuse what happened in Saobady even if all you stated happens, the end-result certainly wouldn't be a disappointment.
The only thing that it leaves me wondering is what the other crew members are going through right now and whether or not they will come back with any changes…? Part of me hopes not, or at least nothing major, and another part of me hopes for a little strength and maturity increase. I want to see a serious Strawhat crew again, and not a barely-making-it-out-alive crew. Like you said, "they can't always have someone come to their aid or having some stroke of luck."
As long as there isn't some sort of "training arc" nonsense shown for Luffy or any of the others I think it'll be fine.
Well I think you're under-rating them. They're hardly incompetent. They were just facing some extremely powerful guys.
That…wasn't what I was getting at...
I'm guessing you didn't at least look back for those posts regarding that issue. Then again I don't blame you, it's a hassle really.
@Don:
:sad:why you mess with me??
i just wanted to say some comment was a little little bit overreacted by your side but now iam a guy you wont mess around with anymore.. how deep should i fall:sad: iam soooo sry mighty vanessa you
re right ,iam stupid ,cause i couldnt argue with you on that perfect level you can discuss things about in your native language..i shouldn
t even try right!?…i see i see, how dare i..
good that you can ignore my posts cause ":ninja:" gives me the perfect hint to see that you treat me like a troll here...well wellI put this through babelfish and for once it actually proved useful.
! :ninja:
! :ninja:Oh and just so you know; English isn't my native language either.
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While I personally wouldn't excuse what happened in Saobady even if all you stated happens, the end-result certainly wouldn't be a disappointment.
As long as there isn't some sort of "training arc" nonsense shown for Luffy or any of the others I think it'll be fine.
That…wasn't what I was getting at...
I'm guessing you didn't at least look back for those posts regarding that issue. Then again I don't blame you, it's a hassle really.
! :ninja:
! :ninja:Oh and just so you know; English isn't my native language either.
Nope Could you summarize?
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While I personally wouldn't excuse what happened in Saboady even if all you stated happens.
To be clear, how they escaped their real demise wouldn't be excused (Kuma saving them), but the portrayal of their complete annihilation would be excusable as it played the role of a wake up call for Luffy. I am assuming Luffy believes Kuma is their enemy, of course. So Luffy sees it as a complete defeat.
Anyway I already addressed the inconsistency with that issue in detail back during those chapters' releases so I won't be boring anyone with restating them here.
Well I think you're under-rating them. They're hardly incompetent. They were just facing some extremely powerful guys.
I'm guessing you didn't at least look back for those posts regarding that issue. Then again I don't blame you, it's a hassle really.
Nope. Could you summarize?
It really isn't that hard to locate a particular persons post from a given thread; assuming you know the name of the thread. Given that, I looked back and was unable to find exactly what you were referring to. This is the closest I came:
[hide]@Vanessa::
I loved how Apoo did exactly what he set out to do, annoy the incoming Admiral and hightail it out of there. Too bad the latter part didn't quite work out in his favor.
Kizaru making an example of these four Supernovas was very nice to see. Frankly they're lucky Sentomaru managed to get through on his Den Den Mushi to get Kizaru to go after Luffy, Kidd and Law since if anyone one of these crews are found(except Luffy's of course) the chances of making it to Fishman Island are essentially zero percent. So for now at least Urouge, Apoo, Drake and Hawkins still have a chance to escape if they don't run into him again. Also, I'm personally guessing Kizaru is running on limited time right to catch them so the only thing that I can see calling him back is orders to return to Marine HQ in preparation against the Whitebeard Pirates, which has a decent chance of happening and coincidentally end up saving one of the Supernovas.This chapter basically proves that no one in Sabaody Isle stands a chance against him sans Rayleigh I think.
Regarding Luffy and co., this is the kind of chapter that shows clearly how much different the Strawhat crew is compared to the majority of other pirate crews out there. As we've seen the majority of other pirate crews in the Grand Line, they rely solely on the strength of the captain and some of these Supernovas' crews are no exception. Strong subordinates are key in becoming a major force in the New World, and it's in this fact that the Strawhat crew are clearly number one. Not even just strength-wise, but how loyal and committed they are to one's captain. This is also why I think Kidd and Law are two who will make it to the New World, since by what we've been shown these two have surrounded themselves with capable crewmates.
Also Zoro's situation, everyone here knew his encounter with Kuma in Thriller Bark would affect him in upcoming arcs. So far we've seen two instances that have drawn attention to it:
-During the attack on Duval's headquarters.
-This current attack against the Pacifista.Whether he'll get over this or not by the time they escape is not something any of us can guarantee for sure, but I personally think this will carry over into Fishman Island as well. Right now for these three days they'll all have to be on alert since Kizaru(maybe Sentomaru) will be actively hunting them down so there really isn't time to simply rest. Along with that, Luffy and co. mentioned that they'd be splitting up, which will probably happen after it's confirmed that this Pacifista has been taken out. Sanji's concern regarding Zoro's current condition makes me think that he'll forego accompanying Nami or Robin (not after some Love Cook antics mind you) in favor of Zoro. It'll be in a way similar to Zoro knocking Sanji out prior to the former going off with Kuma. These situations just show that past all the petty squabbles they may have that Sanji and Zoro really do care about one another.
They're up against, in their eyes, a Shichibukai and they know that an Admiral has been sent to hunt them down. Of course they're going to want to take care of the Pacifista as quickly as possible. They don't have the luxury of taking their time and stay in one spot. They've got to be constantly on the move as to not be found by anyone who is set on capturing them, Kizaru mainly. Considering they've got three days to wait out before they have the option of moving on ahead without being able to go back to the thousand Sunny.
Also it's obvious Luffy used Gear 3rd to show off since both Kidd and Law were there. Not like it's out of character for Luffy to not want to be showed up by other captains telling him to "sit this one out." What does it matter anyway considering it's only been used four times, and we've seen Diable Jambe three times and Asura-based techniques twice, all against strong opponents other than the Auction House incident but I've already addressed that.
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Oh and just so you know; English isn't my native language either.
than why you are so rude…is it that easy to learn languages for you..than hey nice for you, my interest are more in other areas...so what??,so far it was enough to make at least my point clear!!
thats makes you just arrogant in my eyes ,not even answering my comment..."no, let
s give him a funny -"ohh is he stupid"- about his bad grammar comment"..is it that why you
re a mod here?
tell me pls iam asking you..i mean you could imagine what i try to tell you or not??..if "no" than your smartness on languages isn`t as good as i thought it is..
so and AGAIN you comment just on my grammar..what is about the point i wanted to discuss? forgot about it...not worth it??
i just said in a ironic way that your position in banning a thread cause of 1 user(which is always so,"hello where we are?") is not right..or is it...than explain pls pls pls ..you should as a mod or am i false???just dissing a fault of mine doesn
t make your fault(just wanted to now why you reacted so...maybe it
s okay but i dont understand sry) forgotten... next time you shouldn
t answer me when youre not responding to the point of my post kidany! it
s like you think that i want to diss (no mess around with you) cause i said something to your posts i don`t liked\understood...how childish:sad: -
@Don:
Then why you are so rude…
Wait. How has she been rude at all?? She came in and politely reminded them to not bash each other in between their posts, and to be civil if they are so intent on disagreeing. You, on the other hand, stormed in with your ridiculously sarcastic novel aimed at her simply because she let them know continuing the flaming will result in a locked thread. Since then, you have continued your rampage that is close to a complete saga now, to which she has always responded with light humor. Maybe I missed something else completely, but it seems to me like you have been attacking her for your view on how she tends to post, which has no relation whatsoever to this thread or her posts in this thread. I don't get it…
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Nope Could you summarize?
Back during those chapters, I and I think freedom discussed how it seemed rather inconsistent in showing how worn out the Strawhats(except Zoro) were in their attack on the Pacifista. Afterwards, some people used the argument about the earlier skirmish at the Auction House being the cause of why they're so tired.
The problem with that is that we saw Chopper using Horn Point during their escape from the Auction, then during their combo attacks against the Pacifista, we see Chopper in Arm Point using Kokutei: Roseo Metel'. Plus the fact that, in desperation, Chopper ends eating two Rumble Balls and going Monster Point, which proves that the one used at the beginning of that whole situation was the first one.
Which means that at least six hours have passed between them leaving with Camie and getting into that fight, more than enough time to be in top form, which Sanji even states they are. Now add that with Sentomaru treating Luffy as a simple punching bag and Kuma(again and so soon) having to save them at his whim; you get a very, very disappointing end.
Okay this was more than a simple summary, but at least if it gets brought up again I know where to link.
To be clear, how they escaped their real demise wouldn't be excused (Kuma saving them), but the portrayal of their complete annihilation would be excusable as it played the role of a wake up call for Luffy. I am assuming Luffy believes Kuma is their enemy, of course. So Luffy sees it as a complete defeat.
Honestly, I'd agree with all that, but Luffy already had his "wake-up call" in his encounter with Kuzan back in Long Ring Long Island.
@Don:
than why you are so rude…is it that easy to learn languages for you..than hey nice for you, my interest are more in other areas...so what??,so far it was enough to make at least my point clear!!
thats makes you just arrogant in my eyes ,not even answering my comment..."no, let
s give him a funny -"ohh is he stupid"- about his bad grammar comment"..is it that why you
re a mod here?
tell me pls iam asking you..i mean you could imagine what i try to tell you or not??..if "no" than your smartness on languages isn`t as good as i thought it is..
so and AGAIN you comment just on my grammar..what is about the point i wanted to discuss? forgot about it...not worth it??
i just said in a ironic way that your position in banning a thread cause of 1 user(which is always so,"hello where we are?") is not right..or is it...than explain pls pls pls ..you should as a mod or am i false???just dissing a fault of mine doesn
t make your fault(just wanted to now why you reacted so...maybe it
s okay but i dont understand sry) forgotten... next time you shouldn
t answer me when youre not responding to the point of my post kidany! it
s like you think that i want to diss (no mess around with you) cause i said something to your posts i don`t liked\understood...how childish:sad:You're no fun anymore so I'll answer you seriously…
Your little complaints regarding my initial post are frankly idiotic, especially considering your statement that I'd close a thread over one person. If you had actually read through the posts before I had to step in you'd easily know that it wasn't just one person.
And even then, the very people involved dropped it altogether(for the most part) when I asked them to while you; one who wasn't even involved, let alone know the whole situation, sees it fit to go on poorly-worded sarcastic rants against the very one who politely asked for some civility while stating what would happen had the insults continued to be hurled. So before jumping the gun, especially when lacking a reason to; read more thoroughly and consider the fact that maybe you don't know the whole story.
Now do you understand?:happy:
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Honestly, I'd agree with all that, but Luffy already had his "wake-up call" in his encounter with Kuzan back in Long Ring Long Island.
Yeah. True. I know I am just justifying things here, but Luffy did respond to what happened during the Kuzan encounter by trying to find a way to become stronger. While I do not think the Gears were his last resort or final effort in that endeavor, I am sure the success that the Gears have given him were more than adequate to slightly quell his desire to become stronger. The SA incident caps on a larger scale issue though, which you touched on back then, that is Luffy cannot rely on only his strength and that the crew as a whole needs to be stronger. IDK, that somewhat contradicts my whole idea of Luffy storming the castle (Impel Down) and saving the princess (Ace) while showing off his newly acquired hockey skillz, but I still think I would be satisfied with the entire setup as long as it serves for a "lesson learned" for the whole crew; Luffy in particular. I know that skitters dangerously close to the typical shonen recipe of must get stronger – beat down -- lesson learned, must get stronger – beat down – repeat, but I think that this case is different. Again, I am probably just justifying things, but to me Kuzan wasn't quite a wakeup call for Luffy. It was more like the foreshadowing of a greater evil should Luffy not make some changes. Luffy started to change, because he knew he needed to be stronger if he wanted to protect his nakama, but he didn't quite get a grasp on how much he needed to grow until now. As in he didn't take it seriously enough. We see a stronger change this time around (here), so I expect more evolution in Luffy's resolve…maybe. Bah. I am not really going anywhere with this am I...?
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Originally Posted by Vanessa
Back during those chapters, I and I think freedom discussed how it seemed rather inconsistent in showing how worn out the Strawhats(except Zoro) were in their attack on the Pacifista. Afterwards, some people used the argument about the earlier skirmish at the Auction House being the cause of why they're so tired.The problem with that is that we saw Chopper using Horn Point during their escape from the Auction, then during their combo attacks against the Pacifista, we see Chopper in Arm Point using Kokutei: Roseo Metel'. Plus the fact that, in desperation, Chopper ends eating two Rumble Balls and going Monster Point, which proves that the one used at the beginning of that whole situation was the first one.
Which means that at least six hours have passed between them leaving with Camie and getting into that fight, more than enough time to be in top form, which Sanji even states they are. Now add that with Sentomaru treating Luffy as a simple punching bag and Kuma(again and so soon) having to save them at his whim; you get a very, very disappointing end.
Okay this was more than a simple summary, but at least if it gets brought up again I know where to link.
Ya, I def agree. It didn't make much sense to me. It was really the first time the entire crew had all together gone against one opponent. Shoot, when all the crew members had gotten rid of CP9 they were still fighting what? lieutenant class marines. captain… Zoro had already gone against Kuma while he was torn and beat up by Moria/oz. He held is ground and even damaged his shoulder a little. The Pacifista didn't have a devil fruit either. Than again Kuma did say he was an incomplete form. but than that would mean Kuma is weaker than the pacifista which is ridiculous. meh, whatever. just my thoughts on that.
Well so far for this current ark or whatever, as much Haki is going around Luffy doesn't seem to be really all about it (as in wanting knowledge). If he is going to learn it, I don't think he will necessarily be the instigator in pursuing how to use it. lol, to me, he seems to absent minded about it right now. but I'll probably be proved wrong.
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Well so far for this current ark or whatever, as much Haki is going around Luffy doesn't seem to be really all about it (as in wanting knowledge). If he is going to learn it, I don't think he will necessarily be the instigator in pursuing how to use it. lol, to me, he seems to absent minded about it right now. but I'll probably be proved wrong.
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Yeah. True. I know I am just justifying things here, but Luffy did respond to what happened during the Kuzan encounter by trying to find a way to become stronger. While I do not think the Gears were his last resort or final effort in that endeavor, I am sure the success that the Gears have given him were more than adequate to slightly quell his desire to become stronger.
However, to say another complete defeat was needed in order for more motivation in becoming stronger is a concept I don't really like nor one I can agree with. I just always saw Luffy as one who'd understand completely after his encounter with Kuzan, but I just happened to be mistaken on that part.
The SA incident caps on a larger scale issue though, which you touched on back then, that is Luffy cannot rely on only his strength and that the crew as a whole needs to be stronger. IDK, that somewhat contradicts my whole idea of Luffy storming the castle (Impel Down) and saving the princess (Ace) while showing off his newly acquired hockey skillz, but I still think I would be satisfied with the entire setup as long as it serves for a "lesson learned" for the whole crew; Luffy in particular. I know that skitters dangerously close to the typical shonen recipe of must get stronger – beat down -- lesson learned, must get stronger – beat down – repeat, but I think that this case is different.
While I'm tired of seeing Luffy fail(as I've stated before); having him storm into Impel Down and single-handedly rescuing Ace would be the worst possible outcome regarding this current situation. Luckily I'm rather confident that an outcome such as that won't happen.
Whatever the reasons for Kuma having done what he did, if it does end up being a simple case of "get stronger, fight, lesson, etc" it's at least not adhering to the simplest way to go about it. While I'm nowhere near content with what's transpired; the way it was handled overall has at least had some variety to it even though we've only seen Luffy.
Again, I am probably just justifying things, but to me Kuzan wasn't quite a wakeup call for Luffy. It was more like the foreshadowing of a greater evil should Luffy not make some changes. Luffy started to change, because he knew he needed to be stronger if he wanted to protect his nakama, but he didn't quite get a grasp on how much he needed to grow until now. As in he didn't take it seriously enough. We see a stronger change this time around (here), so I expect more evolution in Luffy's resolve…maybe. Bah. I am not really going anywhere with this am I...?
To me, Crocodile was more of the foreshadowing and Kuzan was that "greater evil" you speak of. Look at it this way:
During Round 1 of Luffy vs. Crocodile, he spoke of how most Devil Fruit users are simply content with having their powers, and generally don't bother to "master" whatever power he or she was given. This is from the opponent who handed Luffy his very first loss. It's essentially the same with Kuzan's encounter. Before then, Luffy managed to take out a Shichibukai(Crocodile) and "God"(Ener). He needed to be taken down a peg at that point, but at this current point he already has a reputation and fairly established crew, another complete loss wasn't needed.
So basically, Crocodile presented the idea of "stepping up" his abilities, while Kuzan became the motivation to actually do something about it.
Now I'm not saying Luffy should have won against Borsalino, Sentomaru or anyone. In fact I even stated multiple times that no one in Saobady stood a chance against Borsalino other than Rayleigh. All I wanted was for them to get away on their own without any help, but that wasn't the case.
Truthfully, in retrospect I think I'm setting my expectations a little high since honestly I didn't expect another big loss for the crew until an encounter with Teach. However this doesn't mean that just because something I didn't like happened that I'd automatically see anything after this as sub-par.
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Yeah. For the most part I agree with you. Not much I can really argue there. I still personally feel that, while Luffy should have understood the need for change after Kuzan, he followed up with doing the insanely impossible of storming Enies Lobby and waging war against the WG. Afterward, to me, that warrants another defeat – a more complete defeat -- as long as it leads to a greater (final) step-up for Luffy and the crew. Kuzan wouldn't so much be the greater evil since he essentially spared everyone to settle things with Luffy only. It was a blow to Luffy's pride to an extent, but not nearly as harsh as watching his entire crew get dispersed while he fought with all his might to no avail. In fact, I wish this was the only time he had the "wake up call". He never really gave in to "defeat" from Croc; never really considered it a loss and just kept on coming back for more. Kuzan was more of a shocker for Luffy, but only played as an eye opener that there are people out there on a level much beyond his. SA actually portrayed multiple people one after another that could easily top Luffy's entire crew, and then to put icing on the cake Luffy watches everyone disappear in front of his eyes. To me, that is the real wake up call. However, I personally tend to set my expectations much lower since I would rather enjoy something than be disappointed, so perhaps I am just letting these events slide for the sake of avoiding too much disappointment. There are usually exceptions to those expectations though, which is where I agree with you on many points. IDK.
I guess all I am getting at is that if it turns out Luffy and the crew learn their lesson this time around, then their annihilation – while a complete shocker (to me) at the time of its release -- will be excusable in my book for the reasons I mentioned above. I don't expect this type of thing to happen much more though. If at all.
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I'm surprised that no one has suggested what will probably happen: Kuma will be in Impel Down, with most (if not all) of his cybernetic enhancements removed. It's not like he'll be useless without them, though; he wasn't called "The Tyrant Pirate" without reason.
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@Fire Fist:
I'm surprised that no one has suggested what will probably happen: Kuma will be in Impel Down, with most (if not all) of his cybernetic enhancements removed. It's not like he'll be useless without them, though; he wasn't called "The Tyrant Pirate" without reason.
Why would that happen? Kuma said he'd never see Luffy again in so many words. Granted, it may not have been the whole truth, but there was something about that statement that was believable in a cryptic sort of way.
Though, I'm interested in hearing your reasoning.
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@Fire Fist:
I'm surprised that no one has suggested what will probably happen: Kuma will be in Impel Down, with most (if not all) of his cybernetic enhancements removed. It's not like he'll be useless without them, though; he wasn't called "The Tyrant Pirate" without reason.
Are you suggesting he was captured by Sentoumaru and Kizaru…? Dismantled immediately before the battle VS. Whitebeard...?
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