Is anyone else disappointed by the Buster call? I know robin explained that no one could withstand against a whole armada before, but I'm kinda disappointed. I expected buster call to be something huge and unescapable, something to be feared by everyone. Yet all i see is them firing the cannons onto Ohara. Is this a joke? am i missing something? or have we not seen the true buster call yet? Because if this is it thats just too pathetic…Luffy can just use Gomu Gomu balloon.
Buster Call
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Um.. Yea I agre. I expected something creative and death-star live on a much larger scale.
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I think we should just wait till the next chapter.
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I expected buster call to be something huge and unescapable, something to be feared by everyone. Yet all i see is them firing the cannons onto Ohara.
Well, what did you expect them to do exactly? Throw gasoline on the island and light it on fire?
What were they supposed to have anyway? Laser cannons?
If the Navy has access to greater weaponry than simple cannons, then how in the world can pirates armed with cannon themselves be so successful?
Because if this is it thats just too pathetic…Luffy can just use Gomu Gomu balloon.
In which case, he draws the attention of the Vice Admirals, who deal with him directly.
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Perhaps the first wave is intended to soften up the foe.
Or maybe the weapon is something like a neutron bomb or a poison, it doesn't actually destroy the buildings, and you need a second set of attacks to do that.
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Well, what did you expect them to do exactly? Throw gasoline on the island and light it on fire?
What were they supposed to have anyway? Laser cannons?
If the Navy has access to greater weaponry than simple cannons, then how in the world can pirates armed with cannon themselves be so successful?
In which case, he draws the attention of the Vice Admirals, who deal with him directly.
What did i expect them to do? Perhaps something One-Piece-like? Perhaps have some uber formation and some crazy weapon that blows away the island in one shot?
This is One Piece, not Pirates of the Carribean. Everyone has cannons. Anyone can just start firing them at an island. What I'm saying is that with all the suspense building up to the moment having just cannons fire just doesnt do it justice.
And Im talking about the Buster Call, not the Vice admirals. The Vice admirals are the Vice admirals, not the Buster Call itself. Dealing with them is an entirely different issue.
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Well, I was expecting them to use laser cannons. Yet Spandine and his group survive the attack, most O'harans escaped in the elevacation ship so what is so scary about the Buster Call? Robin could use her hana hana power the explode the ship, Zoro can use one of his strongest sword attacks on them, Nami can shock them with thunder tempo, Luffy can simply use Gomu Gomu Storm on them, and Usopp could use impact dial to sink the ship. Spandam boosts that a island would be wiped out instanly but it took an long time to burn O'hara. Robin, you fool…. They are just simple ships, you can grab an big cannonball gun and blow them up.
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Which brings me to my next question:
How does Spandam think that he can wipe out the Strawhats with buster call (if cannons are indeed all it is) when they already decimated their entire defense system barehanded?
Is he just an idiot? Or is there more to Buster call?
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If you can't stop the ships from firing on the island, how is what's going on now in any way not ferocious? The vice admirals protect their ships, while they bombard the island.
That said, I really doubt we've seen the full extent of the Buster Call at this point, I mean if that's all it is, why did Sauro decide to run towards a ship if his goal was to help Nico Robin escape?
Perhaps he's trying to prevent something from happening which will greatly reduce Robin's probability of survival/escape? It's clear his goal isn't to just sit robin on a rock and beat the shit out of the buster call without DAMN good reason, especially considering the fact that both he and Olvia were essentially 100% resigned to the fact that Ohara was done for and so where all it's Archaeologists, and that for this reason Robin must escape, find out the truth, and share it with the world.
If Sauro thought he could stop the buster call and save the island instead of just save Robin, don't you think he'd say he was going to do that, and then not get all dramatic, grab robin, and haul ass?
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What did i expect them to do? Perhaps something One-Piece-like? Perhaps have some uber formation and some crazy weapon that blows away the island in one shot?
I really don't see anything that has ever hinted that it was a one hit kill situation. And ten battleships along with five Vice Admirals is quite obviously an "uber formation".
Everyone has cannons. Anyone can just start firing them at an island. What I'm saying is that with all the suspense building up to the moment having just cannons fire just doesnt do it justice.
I don't agree with that personally; if only because what is happening is exactly what I've expected to happen all along: they destroy the island through a naval barrage.
And Im talking about the Buster Call, not the Vice admirals. The Vice admirals are the Vice admirals, not the Buster Call itself.
But the Vice Admirals are a part of the Buster Call task force. Otherwise, it's just a fleet of ten battleships. You have to deal with them because they're always going to be there during a Buster Call.
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I'm not saying it wasnt ferocious (though I doubt it would be much of a problem to the Strawhats). What Im saying is what's the difference between saying "Initiate Buster Call" and saying "Go and fire your cannons". Theres no difference….as of yet
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I agree with Ubiq, even if there 'isn't' an uber bomb, it's an uber powerful weapon. Still, I can understand your sentiment about the Buster Call not being more than a naval barrage led by vice admirals, and I actually think that there 'is' something more which Sauro has decided he needs to prevent or hinder if he is going to be able to save Nico Robin.
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A Naval Barrage is for WW II movies and pirates. This is One Piece people. The manga where an Ark made of gold flew. Where there was an ocean above the clouds. Where people created sand storms, turned an ocean into ice, and turned into various animals. Where huge tidal waves and even bigger sea monsters exist.
What I'm trying to say is that firing cannons is un-one-piece-like especially with all the build up leading up to it. Im not arguing the efficiency or tactical prowess of it. Just how disappointing it was.
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A Naval Barrage is for WW II movies and pirates.
This may come as a bit of a shock to you, but One Piece is a PIRATE ADVENTURE SERIES. It has fantasy elements, but it's still about pirates.
What I'm trying to say is that firing cannons is un-one-piece-like especially with all the build up leading up to it. Im not arguing the efficiency or tactical prowess of it. Just how disappointing it was.
Again, I just don't see how it's disappointing outside of people building up unrealistic and baseless expectations. If the Navy has access to weapons far more powerful than simple cannons, than how are pirates who rely on those same cannons even holding their ground, let alone winning their war with the World Government? There has to be parity between the two sides.
Not to mention the fact that the world's foremost shipbuilder had cannons lying around, if there was something more powerful to be put into ships, then they would have them.
I could see Pluton having a laser (though I sincerely hope it doesn't, outside of some funky system that only Oda could come up with), but not a regular battleship, barring it being a unique, one-of-a-kind vessel. It just doesn't make sense from a storyline perspective.
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Ok bad use of words i meant like pirate movies…like Pirates of the Carribean.
I wouldnt say it was unrealistic expectations. Robin was scared to death of it and risked her life so the Strawhats could escape it. The same Robin who approved of flying into Skypeia. Wouldnt you say that Robin's fear alone is enough to build up anticipation and expectations of Buster call?
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A Naval Barrage is for WW II movies and pirates. This is One Piece people. The manga where an Ark made of gold flew. Where there was an ocean above the clouds. Where people created sand storms, turned an ocean into ice, and turned into various animals. Where huge tidal waves and even bigger sea monsters exist.
Yeah, it IS One Piece. The manga about PIRATES.
What I'm trying to say is that firing cannons is un-one-piece-like especially with all the build up leading up to it. Im not arguing the efficiency or tactical prowess of it. Just how disappointing it was.
Cannons are fired in One Piece all the time. You can't expect a fucking laser to just come out of nowhere. A naval barrage WOULD do incredible damage. Having an ENTIRE naval fleet is much more than you think. Hell, when Hina when after the Straw Hats, she had 8 ships surrounding them, and they barely escaped with their lives. And Hina is only a captain.
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I disagree (edit: with Kiden) because honestly, before Saul, did they 'need' anything more than Cannon barrage?
If they have a strong opponent, they have five vice admirals, in this case it's very possible that Yellow Monkey, Ao Kiji, and Red Dog are three of said five vice admirals involved, and FOR SURE ao kiji is.
Ao Kiji alone is a pretty invincible force, god knows how powerful the other two mentioned are. If they 'need' to attack the island themselves, they would, and they could do extensive damage. It's likely that they don't feel the need to expend extra effort, especially not ao kiji who is basically relaxing through most of it.
Honestly just imagine if you had Sauro (as they originally intended), Ao Kiji, the red dog, the yellow monkey, and another vice admiral all assaulting one island. It'd be devestating, since they are fighting archaeologists though, it's not like they need much more than a barrage to accomplish their ends.
Now that Sauro is in the picture, they do need some extra firepower, and we're probably damn close to seeing how the vice admirals strength in general pars up.
By the way I just got the strangest thought, I wonder how powerful a giant (like Sauro) Zoan (predator) user would be.
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Your missing my point…I'm not talking about how powerful, how tactical, how logical it is to fire cannons. When i said firing cannons are not One piece like, i meant that when Oda gives us something that the whole world fears and that Robin desperately tries to stop from happening, don't you think you WOULD expect a giant laser out of nowhere instead of just cannons?
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I wouldnt say it was unrealistic expectations. Robin was scared to death of it and risked her life so the Strawhats could escape it. The same Robin who approved of flying into Skypeia. Wouldnt you say that Robin's fear alone is enough to build up anticipation and expectations of Buster call?
I just think that it's a mix of Robin being really young when it happened and the Buster Call caused everyone she cared about to be killed. This event caused her serious trauma and is the worst possible thing that she knows of that could happen to her loved ones. Now, she is just worried about the lives of the first people she's come to care for since, and doesn't realize that Luffy and crew could take on the 5 Vice Admirals.
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No? I would expect 5 ao kiji powered marines. Considering that just one is strong enough to take out the entire straw hat crew with little effort.
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But Kuzan was strong enough to be a step up from Vice Admiral. I'll bet his promotion comes when he is the only Vice Admiral at Ohara strong enough to take down Sauro. he Strawhats could probably take down your average Vice Admirals.
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Does it have to be something unexpected? No, it doesn't. I don't see what is so wrong with that. Oda is doing a pretty good job conveying the destruction of Buster Call so far. It's not 'just cannons'. It's A SHIT LOAD OF CANNONS. Judging by the size of any vice admirals ship, not to mention the other artillery boats there, you're looking at an extremely high number of explosives. This island is gonna get DECIMATED, and an entire history along with it.
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Ok look at it this way. Say I go up to someone and say Im gonna use the ultimate weapon to kill him that i used to kill countless other people. So tomorrow i go up to him and shoot him with a gun.
Is it effective? Yes. Is it Powerful enough? Yes. Did it work? Yes.
But the fact is that its DISAPPOINTING. This point really seems to not be getting across. Lemme say it again. Im talking about how DISAPPONTING it is. Not how it makes sense to just use cannons, not how tactically its very good.
Can you honestly tell me that when you guys were hearing about Buster Call you were just expecting ships to show up and fire their cannons? The Buster Call that Spandam was (and still is) confident would wipe out the strawhats that just wiped out his entire defense force?
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Ice Cannons
Light Cannons
Flaming Cannons
Beam Cannons
Thunder Cannons
Flare Cannons
Giant Cannons
Wind Cannons
Poision Cannons
Flash CannonsI'm sure Oda will create such cannons soon
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Btw something just came up to me. Didnt Eneru wipe out an entire island in one blow? So its not entirely unreasonable to expect that the navy had something like that.
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Ok bad use of words i meant like pirate movies…like Pirates of the Carribean.
Pirates of the Carribean: Pirate adventure movie with fantasy overtones along with some comedy and drama.
One Piece: Pirate adventure series with fantasy overtones along with some comedy and drama.Outside of the length of the two works, I'm not really seeing the difference here.
Robin was scared to death of it and risked her life so the Strawhats could escape it.
Which isn't surprising considering that the Navy destroyed everything she had ever known and loved.
The same Robin who approved of flying into Skypeia.
The same Robin who knew nothing about Skypeia and thus had nothing to be afraid of. If she knew Ener was running around up there, then she might have thought twice about it.
Wouldnt you say that Robin's fear alone is enough to build up anticipation and expectations of Buster call?
Well, again, I don't see why that should equal superweapons on the battleships, especially when the task force includes five Vice Admirals. I've thought all along that they were what made the operation such a grave threat; those five Marines along with any aides that they might have.
So its not entirely unreasonable to expect that the navy had something like that.
So because a one-of-a-kind Logia user can generate the power necessary to incinerate an island, then the Navy should be able to? What kind of logic is that?
Again, why are pirates like Whitebeard or Shanks a problem if the Navy has access to those sorts of weapons? If the Buster Call has uberweapons of DOOOOOOOOOM, then why do the Shichibukai even exist?
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Ok i guess most of you guys think that the 5 vice admirals are impressive. But have they done anything yet? Have they come out and cast destruction on the island? If they arent needed then wth was the point of using the Buster call in the first place?
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I believe the point of a Buster Call is to completly obliterate a target. I'd say that before Sauro intervened, the Marines were doing a pretty good job of that.
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Ok i guess most of you guys think that the 5 vice admirals are impressive. But have they done anything yet?
Have they really needed to? Spandine could have easily torched the library and killed all of the archaeologists if that's all the Gorosei wanted, but this is a more thorough method of accomplishing the goals of the World Government. The battleships burn the place down and the Vice Admirals make sure it goes off without a hitch.
If they arent needed then wth was the point of using the Buster call in the first place?
Because the Buster Call is a military operation that is designed to deal with the exact situation that they have here: the total annihilation of a target.
I mean, why not use it? Because it's overkill? So what? Overkill is the entire point.
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I'm 100% sure there's going to be something big happen. If not, then Oda is the worst author ever the end.
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Right. Then tell me the difference between Buster call and just calling in ships to fire on an island. Wouldnt it have been easier just to say "go there and fire"? Why the name? If the Vice admirals arent needed then why waste their time when they arent even gonna attack?
Its not overkill if the Admirals arent gonna do anything…thats part of my point. If the point IS overkill, with the world its set in (the One Piece world), shouldnt overkill be more than cannons?
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I'm 100% sure there's going to be something big happen. If not, then Oda is the worst author ever the end.
Im 90% sure theres more to it. I just cant imagine with all the stuff Oda has shown us that the ultimate weapon of the World government is a whole bunch of cannons (whether or not the cannons are guarded by the Vice admirals doesnt change the fact that all thats happened is cannons firing).
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Yes Kiden, Eneru showed an enormous amount of power.
Guess what Eneru was? A person with a logia fruit? No way! You mean he wasn't using a lazer cannon!?
Guess what Ao Kiji is? A logia user. Now look at Garp. You can get a really absurdly strong guy like axe hand morgan to directly slice the guy as hard as he can in the chest, and Garp can sleep through it, an attack like that isn't even strong enough to disturb his rest. When he does wake up, he doesn't even realize he's been injured, it's that insignificant to him. Now look at Sauro, the guy can pick up (what I believe to be) the largest type of ship so far in the series, filled with gigantic cannon balls (those cannon's barrels are the size of Sauro's head, and he's a giant, I'm talking about the ones on the side of the ship) and tons of marines no problem.
In fact, he's probably going to throw it. To any island without characters like Shanks or Whitebeard protecting it, this kind of force is completely unstoppable. I mean, FIVE of these guys?
It's possible that there is something more to the buster call, but I honestly won't think any less of it if there isn't.
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Right. Then tell me the difference between Buster call and just calling in ships to fire on an island.
Oh, I'm sorry, I guess I haven't mentioned the FIVE VICE ADMIRALS.
Wouldnt it have been easier just to say "go there and fire"?
How is that any easier than simply hitting a button, which instantly alerts ten ships to do just that?
Why the name?
… WHAT? What in the hell does that have to do with anything?
If the Vice admirals arent needed then why waste their time when they arent even gonna attack?
Because there is a chance that they might be needed and it's better to have them and not need them than it is to need them and not have them?
Its not overkill if the Admirals arent gonna do anything…
Either way, they're still wiping out the target with far more firepower than is necessary. How is that not overkill?
If the point IS overkill, with the world its set in (the One Piece world), shouldnt overkill be more than cannons?
Why should it be? If cannons are enough to get the job done, as they quite obviously are, then why not use them?
If something comes up that the battleships can't just blow away, then the Vice Admirals take care of it.
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When…did i EVER....say Laser cannon...??? I was talking about wiping out an island in one shot...go read my post again -_-
And all those stuff you said are actually helping my point. If the navy has access to all those powerful beings, why not use it? If your going to make the point of using the Buster call, call an entire armada to some far away place, why just use the cannons? You guys are telling me that The Vice admirals are supposed to protect the ships. If thats true then what it boils down to is, guess what?...CANNONS.
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I don't remember puting that in quotes, buddy. I was pointing out that, so far in the series, all the great powers in one piece have not been weapons, but instead, people. And that you seem to require some kind of insanely powerful weapon, rather than insanely powerful people, for the buster call to meet your expectations.
This is fine by the way, as I said in my first post, I can understand your point of view (though I don't share it). I just disagree with the way you seem to disregard the vice admirals as 'regular' (and I know you didn't use that word, I use single bar quotes for emphasis).
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Why do u quote each of my sentences separately…its like your taking them out of context...
And i go right back to my point...Im not talking about what is logical and make sense. Im talking about how DISAPPOINTING it is. Look you can talk to me about how there are some uber godlike admirals and how cannons just make sense but that doesnt have anything to do with what im talking about.
This is the only fact: So far only cannons has been fired.
Thats it. Nothing else. Whether God himself is in one of those ships doesnt mean shit because so far he hasnt done anything yet.
Buster call is supposedly something everyone fears, much like the Death star in Star Wars. If we watched Star wars and when the Death Star made its debut and it turned out to be some armada of ships that just barrage a planet to death would that have done it justice?
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I don't remember quoting any of your sentences. Oh, you meant Ubiq. It annoys me when he does that too, but I think the reason he does it is actually so that it's easier for him to reference what he's typing as he writes the post, and so that it's easier for a reader to know what he's referring to (which is acceptable reasoning, really, I just don't like it because it's so blocky). I haven't seen him take you out of context yet, so I doubt you have to worry.
Also, the only one who fears buster call that isn't a marine is Robin, as she's the only one that's lived through one.
And, I can understand that you are disappointed and I'm not going to argue saying some idiotic crap like "NO YOU'RE NOT DISAPPOINTED!!!"
So you expected more than you got, sometimes the dog imagines his dish too full. I understand, you salivated and only found half a portion. You never know, Kiden, you could get lucky and next chapter we find out that there is something extra-extraordinary to the buster call beyond the extremely powerful force that is five unified vice admirals in one location with a huge fleet and a massive amount of gigantic cannons at their disposal.
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I don't remember puting that in quotes, buddy. I was pointing out that, so far in the series, all the great powers in one piece have not been weapons, but instead, people. And that you seem to require some kind of insanely powerful weapon, rather than insanely powerful people, for the buster call to meet your expectations.
This is fine by the way, as I said in my first post, I can understand your point of view (though I don't share it). I just disagree with the way you seem to disregard the vice admirals as 'regular' (and I know you didn't use that word, I use single bar quotes for emphasis).
Once again read my post. I never said weapon. I never said the vice admirals were regular in anyway. Please dont make up stuff.
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The Buster Call isn't just about firing cannons. Robin said it herself. The Buster Call is the summoning of 5 vice admirals and 10 battleships. The damages that we're seeing right now are just from the 10 battleships. Don't forget that there are still 5 vice admirals to deal with. I'm sure Robin would have chosen to fight them head on if it was just dealing with cannons. She even said that when she heard the name Ao Kiji, she gave up. probably bec. she knows from experience what Aokiji can do, and we don't know what powers the other vice admirals have. I think we'll see in the next chapters how the Vice Admirals will deal with Saul/ro. We'll just have to wait and see. The show isn't over yet.
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I don't remember quoting any of your sentences.
I'm not talking to you man :laugh:. I'm talking to ubiq and invisible worm.
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I am invisible worm.
Also, go look back at my post, because I edited it.
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srry didnt see the edit in time
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Once again read my post. I never said weapon. I never said the vice admirals were regular in anyway. Please dont make up stuff.
Wooh, I quoted one of your posts!
I pointed out in that post, BLATANTLY, that I wasn't saying you actually called the vice admirals "regular", I was just stating that you seem to be unimpressed by the idea of five of them banding together. In other words, it was my impression of your attitude towards the situation, and now you're making stuff up about what was said.
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Say what? I said in my post " I never said the vice admirals were regular IN ANYWAY". Meaning i know you werent using my exact words but what you were implying was wrong since I never doubted the power of the Vice admirals. I just pointed out that they havent DONE anything yet.
Lets get the facts straight: Cannons have fired.
Thats it. Ok? If the Vice admirals come out and annihilate everything then Buster call meets my expectations. Satisfied?
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Btw i still dont know where you got the idea that i needed some sort of weapon rather than abilities for Buster call to be a success…I never said a weapon had to be involved
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Why do u quote each of my sentences separately…
Because it's a way to directly respond to individual points rather than trying to sum it up in a paragraph. This way is much, much easier.
its like your taking them out of context…
No, taking them out of context would require that the lines before and after those individually quoted lines actually provide context.
Im not talking about what is logical and make sense. Im talking about how DISAPPOINTING it is.
The disappointment stems entirely from unrealistic expectations that you yourself built up for no good reason. Oda has delivered exactly what he promised: ten battleships and Vice Admirals, though the only confirmed as yet is Kuzan.
This is the only fact: So far only cannons has been fired.
Which is accomplishing exactly what the fleet set out to do: burn Ohara to the ground.
Buster call is supposedly something everyone fears
And why in the hell wouldn't the average person fear flaming death via naval bombardment for their families and themselves? Robin lived through one so she seems terrified of it, but others seem notably unimpressed by the whole situation.
We don't know for a fact that everybody is afraid of the Buster Call. A lot of people don't fear it because they've never even heard of it. Judging by the existence of the Shichibukai and the fact that pirates like Shanks and Whitebeard have been running around for years without being beaten, certain groups have a reasonable shot of defeating it, so they're not afraid of it either.
If we watched Star wars and when the Death Star made its debut and it turned out to be some armada of ships that just barrage a planet to death would that have done it justice?
Not really, but the Death Star is a single weapon that was introduced as such. If it was the Death Fleet, an entire fleet of warships capable of destroying an entire planet, then would it have been disappointing?
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I didn´t read through the entire thread so I apologize if something has been said before already.
First of all, I´m not disappointed in the Buster Call. So far it really follows my expectations. It is a very powerful and destructive military force but it´s not invincible.
And expecting some Death Star like power is somewhat silly. If the WG would have such ship, why would they want to revive the Ancient Weapons then?
Secondly, I seriously doubt that Luffy could bounce off a ball of those cannons. The canons are huge as can be seen on the last page of chapter 396 and if you look at the last page of chapter 395 you´ll see that the explosions they cause are bigger then the large WG ship.
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but if the buster call is just hasardous canon balls i could hardly imagine how spandam can escape if he launches the buster call.he would be in the center of firing like spandine is in this flashback and if there is a way for him to escape then it's the same for strawhats.
Not to mention that such an amount of canon balls near the big prison(sorry i forgot its name) in eneas lobby could be dangerous for the WG
so i don't think BC is just canon ball because it wouldn't make sense and i'm waiting to see the 5vice admirals in action–------
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but if the buster call is just hasardous canon balls i could hardly imagine how spandam can escape if he launches the buster call.he would be in the center of firing like spandine is in this flashback and if there is a way for him to escape then it's the same for strawhats.
Well, that´s exactly the point Robin was trying to prove from the very begining to Spandam. He doesn´t know what power he would unleash. Just as Spandine has his WTF? moment Spandam who is an even bigger dork would have an exponential WTF? moment if he would be confronted to the Buster Call.
That however doesn´t mean that it is invincible. It is much more powerful then Spandam expects but it is not as unsurpassable (is that even a word?) as Robin thinks of it.
Not to mention that such an amount of canon balls near the big prison(sorry i forgot its name) in eneas lobby could be dangerous for the WG
That is the (un-)calculated risk that comes if you give the power of the "Red Button" to a lunatic such as Spandam.
Plus, so far it hasn´t been said that Inpel Down really is below Enies Lobby. It wouldn´t make any sense because if you pass the Gate of Justice you get either to the Marine HQ or to Inpel Down via ship. If it would really be below then they wouldn´t require a ship but just take the elevator.
so i don't think BC is just canon ball because it wouldn't make sense and i'm waiting to see the 5vice admirals in action
Well on that I agree. If it would be just the ten powerful ships then they could be destroyed. As I said they have large firepower but as Saul proves right now, the defenses aren´t the best if they meet a really strong opponent. So I guess the Vice-Admirals are not only the head of the power but also the best defense for it. However they can also be surpassed by strong guys, which I definitely see happening.
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