Someone should strip a Celestial Dragon. Show me them wings dammit.
Pluton, Poseidon, and Uranus
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The revelation of Shirahoshi being an ancient weapon made me flip out.
Not because I underestimated the power of her ability. The power to command seakings has been foreshawdowed to be a power, that could put the world in danger.
But her ability being confirmed to be ancient weapon, implies that in the past a mermaid princess with this ability actually used the potential of it to the fullest.
And used it so efficiently and destructively that it became feared throughout the world as a weapon of mass destruction.
Imagine this war, where a little mermaid pops up with an armada of gargantuan, grotesquely shaped intelligent sea monstrosities from the darkest bottom of the ocean, crushing everything in their path. And still her side apparentely didn't cut it.
Whatever happened during the void century, it was probably the scariest conflict imaginable.
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I can see certain shishibukai in a near future controlling Poseidon for his own benefit.
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In my opinion it's a great idea from oda not to limit the idea of weapons just to a constructiable ship. Things like Poseidon twist was just what makes me love one piece. And I really don't undersand the idea of people suggesting zeus being the next weapon and/or limiting them only to the 3. If we follow the line how planets are lined, first is Pluto (Pluton, Hades), second Neptune (-> Poseidon) and third is Uranus (Uranus (Roman -> Caelus) Uranus or Father Sky(!)). We already have a ship and a mermaid as weapons, what can we expect next? Some suggestions: Human, Devil Fruit, Giant, what else? Feels like I'm missing something. There's been some speculation of Dragon being one of the ancient weapon, but that seems a bit too predictable in my opinion. In the end we have to trust Oda to make the most interesting decision related to the story!
People aren't basing the Ancient weapon names on the planets but on the three Greek/Roman brother gods who ruled the land(Pluton), sea(Poseidon), and air(Zeus). There could be 4-5 altogether but very good reason people expect Zeus/Jupiter a guarantee.
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Personally, I believe by the end of this manga that Blackbeard will have Pluton as his main ship. I've just found it a little odd that Oda has gone as long as he has without ever giving Blackbeard his official ship. Obviously, the name of BB's ship would probably be connected to darkness, which not only goes with the overall black theme of the crew, but it also contrasts with the name of the Strawhats ship, Thousand Sunny. Honestly, if Blackbeard still doesn't have an officially named ship when we see him again, then it will just further cement my belief that he will obtain Pluton. Also, imo, since he will be the final villain, it would make sense that Oda will further increase Blackbeard's threat if he has an ancient weapon when he and Luffy finally have their fight at the end. Of course, Blackbeard could still get a "normal" ship that has a dark theme to it, in addition to Pluton.
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well Helios would be a badass ancient weapon
anyway since shirahosi is Poseidon if you ask Robin and Pluton is a ship and so far ther isn't a pather so it's hard to predict what the next weapon will be but we can predict what it will do. Poseidon was the god of water and pluton aslo meens magma/lava stone so does that mean pluton has something to do with fire? The next weapon has to be Caelus or Zeus meaning it will have something with air to do, and or lightning. It could be a airship i'm for some reason thinking of enels ship even though it was recently built and its supposed to be an acient weapon.
I can see certain shishibukai in a near future controlling Poseidon for his own benefit.
well that would be doflamingo right?
I appolygize for my terrible english and if this post was in one way or another already posted because I haven't been folowing this thread and am to lazy to read it all right now
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Anybody have theories tying Roger into this? He has the power to hear sea kings as well, and during the Edd War, Shiki confronts Roger asking to become allies/joining crews to rule the world because he knew Roger read about the Ancient Weapon (Poseidon?). There was a big storm, and half of Shiki's fleet was wiped out before the fight even began.
Would that be any correlation to the Ancient Weapons at all?
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As long as Black Beard names it the Queen An's Revenge I will be content.
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well that would be doflamingo right?
exactly, I think if DoFlamingo was able to take control of Shirahoshi in the near future it'd would make all things a lot more interesting. He would become an automatic powerhouse, and would make a heck of an awesome antagonist.
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exactly, I think if DoFlamingo was able to take control of Shirahoshi in the near future it'd would make all things a lot more interesting. He would become an automatic powerhouse, and would make a heck of an awesome antagonist.
In the few cases he has controlled someone he has not shown that he can control their thoughts or speech. Though not impossible, I think Shirahoshi's sea king manipulation would still be all hers.
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One thing about the Pluton = Darkness thing, Hades was strictly the King/God of the Underworld and the God of Wealth as precious metal usually are found deep under the earth and the Underworld is literally under our world, so like how Zeus controlled the Sky and Poseidon the Sea, Hades was more of the Earth.
The closest diety in Greco-Roman myth connected to Darkness was Erebus of the Protogenoi, which were more forces of nature then Gods. For example, Gaea, Uranus & Pontus represented the Earth, Sky & Sea before any Titans or Olympians did.
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Tom, a fishman had the blueprints for Pluton. Why a fishman? Who gave it to him?
Shirahoshi the mermaid princess is Poseidon! What had the fishmen to do with the ancient weapons?
I hope Neptun is gonna tell us something.Sorry for my bad english.
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Personally, I believe by the end of this manga that Blackbeard will have Pluton as his main ship. I've just found it a little odd that Oda has gone as long as he has without ever giving Blackbeard his official ship. Obviously, the name of BB's ship would probably be connected to darkness, which not only goes with the overall black theme of the crew, but it also contrasts with the name of the Strawhats ship, Thousand Sunny. Honestly, if Blackbeard still doesn't have an officially named ship when we see him again, then it will just further cement my belief that he will obtain Pluton. Also, imo, since he will be the final villain, it would make sense that Oda will further increase Blackbeard's threat if he has an ancient weapon when he and Luffy finally have their fight at the end. Of course, Blackbeard could still get a "normal" ship that has a dark theme to it, in addition to Pluton.
I been figuring he would since we learned about the Pluton ship. I only thought that back then due to his ship sucking, and how the bad guys in series seem to always get something that seems unbeatable. It was obvious that teh strawhats would not get some weapon that could destroy the world. Now though knowing about this potential Poseidon, Hades, Zues thing, it makes me think this even more.
As I posted before I think Luffy is Zues, Blackbeard is Hades and obviously Shirahoshi is Poseidon. THEIR SHIP'S are named after the Roman gods. Jupiter, Pluton, and Neptune. Though in Poseidon's case there might not have been a ship, since wouldn't need one and seeing as her dad is named Neptune.
Since Pluton was described on a poneglyph, then I believe there is eithe 5 or 6 ancient weapons. 3 being HUMAN BEINGS, while 2-3 being ships. Their first incarnations were back in Void century and named Zeus, Hades and Poseidon respectively. Now though they are named Luffy, Blackbeard and Shirahoshi.
Powers relative to people:
Zeus = the power to heard the voice of all things (the god of the sky and all gods being able to hear all) = Luffy (Roger before him)
Hades = the power to have multiple devil fruits (the god of underworld having dominion over devil fruits souls. or maybe just one of each type and he will get a Zoan still) = Blackbeard
Poseidon = the power over all sea creatures, including sea kings (the god of the sea, pretty clear cut)= ShirahoshiI also predict that Roger was Zeus reborn BEFORE Luffy. He being able to hear the voice of all things figured out somewhat the void century, in that it involved a big struggle between Hades, Pluton and Zeus, of which Hades won. He realized that in his current period that the next Poseidon hadn't been born yet. He found the Poneglyph in Skypia and it pointed to Fishman island and found no Poseidon there. Roger also realized his time was up, with his sickness you know, and thus needed a way to inspire the next Zeus to find out the true history and this time WIN the war. Roger may have known the next Hades was born but not who it was, and thus knew that the next Poseidon would be born soon and the big next war would commence. So he TURNED himself in, with the idea in his head of giving his One Piece speech and hoping that this would inspire the next Zeus to travel to raftel and figure this all out and do what Roger could not (due to his illness) He may have even suggested being killed in his home town which was in EAST BLUE, since maybe he found a poneglyph that said Zeus was located in East Blue. Remember both Luffy AND Roger were born in East Blue, thus further proving my theory that they are both Zeus reborn.
As for the ships, i feel that there is no Neptune ship, and the Jupiter ship was destroyed, due to his side losing the war back then. Blackbeard will find the ship Pluton, and the Thousand Sunny becomes the next Jupiter ship (or ancient weapon). Thousand Sunny is a very great name as you said for being the ship of Zeus or Luffy in this case. You know the god of the sky and thousand sunny in its name AND how it fly's through the sky with coup de burst
Well thats my theory of this all. The three big players are all reborn in this age. Luffy (Zeus), Shirahoshi (Poseidon), and Blackbeard (Hades) and thus we will have the big epic war that will shake the world like Whitebeard said when he was about to die. I think Roger told him about those three people, Zeus, Poseidon, Hades. I think then Whitebeards speech was to again further inspire the new Zeus to find One Piece and the true history. (who knows if Whitebeard realized before his death it was Luffy and Blackbeard) Blackbeard will find the ancient weapon Pluton and thus have his "old" ship back, meanwhile Luffy will create a new ancient weapon in it being the Thousand Sunny, since Jupiter was destroyed. Then at the end it will be the big showdown between the three again, but this time Hades will lose and Zeus and Poseidon win.
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^^ This is something I love about one piece, Oda writes the story in such a way that the really big deals, things like the WG and the void century are always gaining momentum and giving us new clues to a much LARGER story in the backgroudn while in the forefront the strawhats give us a crazy adventure ride to keep us interested. Then in the end i'm sure the two stories will meet up and blow all of our minds.
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Since Pluton was described on a poneglyph, then I believe there is eithe 5 or 6 ancient weapons. 3 being HUMAN BEINGS, while 2-3 being ships. Their first incarnations were back in Void century and named Zeus, Hades and Poseidon respectively. Now though they are named Luffy, Blackbeard and Shirahoshi.
I personally hope there aren't more than three weapons. Ever since they were mentioned in the manga, I was always somewhat nervous about the idea. At the time, I suppose I had some very messed up ideas of their being futuristic weapons that had been lost or something. I had just felt like the idea of ancient weapons just seemed out of place in One Piece. Now that I'm further into the manga, I don't mind as much, but maybe it's because we only have vague ideas about the Void Century and everything surrounding it, I haven't been particularly invested in this aspect of the story, which has left somewhat concerned about where Oda is going with it all. But that's probably just me.
Well thats my theory of this all. The three big players are all reborn in this age. Luffy (Zeus), Shirahoshi (Poseidon), and Blackbeard (Hades) and thus we will have the big epic war that will shake the world like Whitebeard said when he was about to die. I think Roger told him about those three people, Zeus, Poseidon, Hades. I think then Whitebeards speech was to again further inspire the new Zeus to find One Piece and the true history. (who knows if Whitebeard realized before his death it was Luffy and Blackbeard) Blackbeard will find the ancient weapon Pluton and thus have his "old" ship back, meanwhile Luffy will create a new ancient weapon in it being the Thousand Sunny, since Jupiter was destroyed. Then at the end it will be the big showdown between the three again, but this time Hades will lose and Zeus and Poseidon win.
You have an interesting theory, though I'm against it being the case. It's not that I find it unbelievable, but I prefer each "weapon" being something uniquely different and not have all them being directly related to specific people. I like the idea of one being a ship, one is a person, and a possible third one to be something else entirely. And perhaps I wrong about this, but I had thought Shirahoshi gained her abilities because of her bloodline, meaning her ancestors have had the ability, or at least the potential for the ability. According to your theory, if that is the case, why would Oda do something particularly different with the other two "weapons", meaning why not continue the weapons through a bloodline?
On another note, I'm not too fond of the idea of Luffy being a weapon or having a direct connection to them. I'm one of those people who is displeased by the so many connections to Roger, which is starting to make it look like it is his destiny. His being reborn and inheriting an ancient weapon of power would make it worse for me. With that being said, I'm not kidding myself. The connections between Roger and Luffy is clearly going somewhere, and they are only going to be more overt as we get further into the manga.
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On another note, I'm not too fond of the idea of Luffy being a weapon or having a direct connection to them. I'm one of those people who is displeased by the so many connections to Roger, which is starting to make it look like it is his destiny. His being reborn and inheriting an ancient weapon of power would make it worse for me. With that being said, I'm not kidding myself. The connections between Roger and Luffy is clearly going somewhere, and they are only going to be more overt as we get further into the manga.
I'm not fond of the Luffy = Roger thing either. But in this case, the whole BLOODLINE like you posted I think is not how it is.
Think of the series Legend of Zelda. Zelda in this case is always in the royal bloodline which is the case for Poseidon. But it is always a new Hero, Link, everytime. They never have a relation to one another. And thats how I see Luffy. He is the current Link in this story. Then Blackbeard is the current Ganondorf. Again a set of three, whether its the triforce, or the 3 main gods (zeus, hades, poseidon)
Is Luffy an ancient weapon? Until we find out what this "power to hear teh voice of all things is" I'm inclined to believe that it has something to do with that. We have no indication that its Haki related, its not devil fruit related. What else could it be. Its something seemingly special like Shirahoshi ability to talk to sea kings.
The thing I like about it being an ancient weapon related is, that it seems very weak compared to the other two. I mean if what I suggested comes true and blackbeard can have 3+ devil fruits, and shirahoshi can command sea kings (or maybe even all water creatures), what does luffy's power look in comparison. It looks very pathetic. What can he do by hearing ht evoice of all things? He could hear the sea kings, and they can hear him, but I doubt they would listen to him. He can somehow read poneglyphs essentially, but he's not smart enough to do anything with it. What good is his power? Anyone and everyone would much prefer Shirahoshi's ability or Blackbeards over luffy's anyday. And that is what I love. I have when the main protagonist gets a special power ONLY he can use that ends up being godly, like say Goku being super saiyan or Naruto and his 9 tails and others.
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I'm not fond of the Luffy = Roger thing either. But in this case, the whole BLOODLINE like you posted I think is not how it is.
Think of the series Legend of Zelda. Zelda in this case is always in the royal bloodline which is the case for Poseidon. But it is always a new Hero, Link, everytime. They never have a relation to one another. And thats how I see Luffy. He is the current Link in this story. Then Blackbeard is the current Ganondorf. Again a set of three, whether its the triforce, or the 3 main gods (zeus, hades, poseidon)
Is Luffy an ancient weapon? Until we find out what this "power to hear teh voice of all things is" I'm inclined to believe that it has something to do with that. We have no indication that its Haki related, its not devil fruit related. What else could it be. Its something seemingly special like Shirahoshi ability to talk to sea kings.
The thing I like about it being an ancient weapon related is, that it seems very weak compared to the other two. I mean if what I suggested comes true and blackbeard can have 3+ devil fruits, and shirahoshi can command sea kings (or maybe even all water creatures), what does luffy's power look in comparison. It looks very pathetic. What can he do by hearing ht evoice of all things? He could hear the sea kings, and they can hear him, but I doubt they would listen to him. He can somehow read poneglyphs essentially, but he's not smart enough to do anything with it. What good is his power? Anyone and everyone would much prefer Shirahoshi's ability or Blackbeards over luffy's anyday. And that is what I love. I have when the main protagonist gets a special power ONLY he can use that ends up being godly, like say Goku being super saiyan or Naruto and his 9 tails and others.
In my opinion If it's not a DF then it's haki. The Voice of all things can EASILY be explained as a rare evolution of Observation haki. Shirohoshi's power is just a rare evolution of the natural ability of mermaids. Also, Shirohoshi isn't actually controlling Sea Kings she just speaks to them. They follow her by their own will because they think of her as their king. From what we can see, she can't command them against their will.
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I'm not fond of the Luffy = Roger thing either. But in this case, the whole BLOODLINE like you posted I think is not how it is.Think of the series Legend of Zelda. Zelda in this case is always in the royal bloodline which is the case for Poseidon. But it is always a new Hero, Link, everytime. They never have a relation to one another. And thats how I see Luffy. He is the current Link in this story. Then Blackbeard is the current Ganondorf. Again a set of three, whether its the triforce, or the 3 main gods (zeus, hades, poseidon)
Well, although the Zelda series did come across my mind when I read you theory, I'm not sure if that is a good comparison now. I'm not sure if you have played Skyward Sword(I haven't), but I did read some spoilers. If you haven't played yet, but you intend to, then don't click on the spoiler, as it spoils an important part of the ending.
! The final villain challenges Link in a battle, and of course, Link wins. However, the villain promises to return in another form to torment Link's descendants, which can be interpreted that Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf and are bound to fight each other for a long time, possibly fighting their descendants. And on that subject, although there are no direct connections between the Links that is mentioned in the games, I don't recall anyone at Nintendo outright denying that those Link's couldn't related to one another. The time span is like, what, hundreds of years apart, so they could be related to each other. Though, perhaps I'm wrong about that, as I haven't really looked deeply into the theories of Zelda and its history.
Is Luffy an ancient weapon? Until we find out what this "power to hear teh voice of all things is" I'm inclined to believe that it has something to do with that. We have no indication that its Haki related, its not devil fruit related. What else could it be. Its something seemingly special like Shirahoshi ability to talk to sea kings.
The "voice of all things", or whatever it is, could be simply be connected to the ancient weapons, but it doesn't necessarily have to be one; however, I suppose I'm just hoping that it is simply connected to understanding the Void Century, or a connection to the people of that era. I'm probably being naive, hoping that it is something that simple, but I would just like to hold onto that thought for now I suppose.
The thing I like about it being an ancient weapon related is, that it seems very weak compared to the other two. I mean if what I suggested comes true and blackbeard can have 3+ devil fruits, and shirahoshi can command sea kings (or maybe even all water creatures), what does luffy's power look in comparison. It looks very pathetic. What can he do by hearing ht evoice of all things? He could hear the sea kings, and they can hear him, but I doubt they would listen to him. He can somehow read poneglyphs essentially, but he's not smart enough to do anything with it. What good is his power? Anyone and everyone would much prefer Shirahoshi's ability or Blackbeards over luffy's anyday. And that is what I love. I have when the main protagonist gets a special power ONLY he can use that ends up being godly, like say Goku being super saiyan or Naruto and his 9 tails and others.
I personally would love that Luffy didn't get the same type of powers as the ancient weapons or any of those advantages. I would love the fact that Luffy could beat someone such Blackbeard, despite BB having all of that help, and Luffy still kicks his ass. Although Luffy is seemingly lacking in comparison to Blackbeard(especially if BB gains another fruit), we don't know the ways that Luffy's abilities can work in his favor that can allow him to deal with Blackbeard's dangerous abilities, at least without resorting to ancient weapons or a godly power up that comes out of nowhere.
And I wouldn't say everyone would want Shirahoshi's abilities, purely because I would want abilities that actually allowed me to be physically in the action.(But that's just me, :P)
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Well, although the Zelda series did come across my mind when I read you theory, I'm not sure if that is a good comparison now. I'm not sure if you have played Skyward Sword(I haven't), but I did read some spoilers. If you haven't played yet, but you intend to, then don't click on the spoiler, as it spoils an important part of the ending.
! The final villain challenges Link in a battle, and of course, Link wins. However, the villain promises to return in another form to torment Link's descendants, which can be interpreted that Link, Zelda, and Ganondorf and are bound to fight each other for a long time, possibly fighting their descendants. And on that subject, although there are no direct connections between the Links that is mentioned in the games, I don't recall anyone at Nintendo outright denying that those Link's couldn't related to one another. The time span is like, what, hundreds of years apart, so they could be related to each other. Though, perhaps I'm wrong about that, as I haven't really looked deeply into the theories of Zelda and its history.
The "voice of all things", or whatever it is, could be simply be connected to the ancient weapons, but it doesn't necessarily have to be one; however, I suppose I'm just hoping that it is simply connected to understanding the Void Century, or a connection to the people of that era. I'm probably being naive, hoping that it is something that simple, but I would just like to hold onto that thought for now I suppose.
I personally would love that Luffy didn't get the same type of powers as the ancient weapons or any of those advantages. I would love the fact that Luffy could beat someone such Blackbeard, despite BB having all of that help, and Luffy still kicks his ass. Although Luffy is seemingly lacking in comparison to Blackbeard(especially if BB gains another fruit), we don't know the ways that Luffy's abilities can work in his favor that can allow him to deal with Blackbeard's dangerous abilities, at least without resorting to ancient weapons or a godly power up that comes out of nowhere.
And I wouldn't say everyone would want Shirahoshi's abilities, purely because I would want abilities that actually allowed me to be physically in the action.(But that's just me, :P)
Have played Zelda skyward sword, and
! pretty sure he meant he will always be there to fight the next Goddess hero. Not Link's grandkids, ect. I mean hell, the ending makes it look like Zelda and Link hook up, so how can the future LINK's be related if they are not related to the Zelda's?
Shirahoshi's power doesn't prevent you from still fighting yourself. Imagine if Luffy had her power, doesn't mean he stops fighting and just sits back and watches the sea kings fight.
But Luffy's "ancient power" is pretty nothing right now. What can he possibly do with it? He can hear what Shirahoshi is saying to sea kings, big deal. He can possibly read any language such as whats on poneglyphs. Big deal, he doesn't like to read anyway and we already have someoen in the crew who can read anything PLUS understand it. Luffy can't even understand how bubbles work, like his reading of poneglyphs is going to help at all. It will be a "mystery history" to him. Put in the right hands, maybe this voice to hear all things would be awesome, but so far in Luffy's hands its worse than pointless.
But even if Luffy was smart and all that, what does this "ancient weapon" do for him again. Like I said, we have Robin already who basically nulls the ability to read poneglyphs. She can do it already so ho cares if he can, PLUS she knows history so she can put it in context and what not. Reading and Understanding are completely different things. Then on to hearing sea kings. What is the good of that. He can hear them and they can hear him, but they won't OBEY him. He is not their Queen, like Shirahoshi is. Someone earlier said they don't have to obey her. They flat out within seconds of her asking obey and then instantly refer to her as theri Queen. You dont' just call someone your queen if your going to just hear what she has to say and then make your own decision. They are loyal to her. They will do whatever she says. Whether its to save the world or "destroy it" She is their queen. Luffy on the other hand can only hear what they say. Can it be helpful? Sure if some sea king decides to talk to luffy, then sure he could get info, maybe even ask for a ride like the kraken did for luffy, BUT that is up to whether the sea king wants to or not. If you notice NONE of the sea kings went and exposed themeselves to Roger when he noticed someone was talking. Roger and Luffy are nobodies to them. Shirahoshi is their "Queen"
Now what else might luffy do with this "voice"
Haki already lets him predict moves
Haki already lets him have dominion over weaker people
Haki already hardens his body, does force push attacks, ect.Tell me how this "voice" if it is an ancient weapon, IS OVERPOWERED. How does reading stuff or hearing what any animal in teh world is saying able to help with? So far we have Shirahoshi who can speak to sea kings AND command. Then we have Chopper who can speak to all animals, besides fish. And then we have Jimbei who can speak to fish as well. What does Luffy need this for? He doesn't. It's pointless. And that's kind of how I like it. I hate when the main hero has an "ancient weapon" that he only has that is overpowering or makes the rest of the crew's skills pointless. But in this case the rest of the crews skills make this "ancient power" pointless
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Shirahoshi's power doesn't prevent you from still fighting yourself. Imagine if Luffy had her power, doesn't mean he stops fighting and just sits back and watches the sea kings fight.
Yeah, I am aware of that, but I suppose I had assumed you were suggesting that if a person had to choose which abilities they wanted, they would immediately choose hers over Luffy's kind of abilities. I didn't know you meant if he could have both, but still, I don't like the thought of him having that kind of power, or even needing something like it to beat BB, assuming he too will have an ancient weapon.
But Luffy's "ancient power" is pretty nothing right now. What can he possibly do with it? He can hear what Shirahoshi is saying to sea kings, big deal. He can possibly read any language such as whats on poneglyphs. Big deal, he doesn't like to read anyway and we already have someoen in the crew who can read anything PLUS understand it. Luffy can't even understand how bubbles work, like his reading of poneglyphs is going to help at all. It will be a "mystery history" to him. Put in the right hands, maybe this voice to hear all things would be awesome, but so far in Luffy's hands its worse than pointless.
But even if Luffy was smart and all that, what does this "ancient weapon" do for him again. Like I said, we have Robin already who basically nulls the ability to read poneglyphs. She can do it already so ho cares if he can, PLUS she knows history so she can put it in context and what not. Reading and Understanding are completely different things.
Tell me how this "voice" if it is an ancient weapon, IS OVERPOWERED. How does reading stuff or hearing what any animal in teh world is saying able to help with? So far we have Shirahoshi who can speak to sea kings AND command. Then we have Chopper who can speak to all animals, besides fish. And then we have Jimbei who can speak to fish as well. What does Luffy need this for? He doesn't. It's pointless. And that's kind of how I like it. I hate when the main hero has an "ancient weapon" that he only has that is overpowering or makes the rest of the crew's skills pointless. But in this case the rest of the crews skills make this "ancient power" pointless
As it is now, I don't think it is overpowered, but at the end of your previous post, I had thought you were implying that Luffy needed something significantly more powerful than what he has now to possibly deal with BB, since Luffy would be seemingly weak against him if BB does indeed have an ancient weapon ability, which may allow him to have more fruits.
As far as the real use for the voice of all things, we are at a such a vague stage about it that I believe we can go in so many directions with it. As far as I'm concerned, you do raise good points, but I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss its use in understanding or reading the history of the Void Century. We don't know what lies at the final stretch of the journey. I'm not trying to say Robin is going to be useless, but there may come a point where her capabilities won't allow her to do much more, unless you happen to have the voice of all things, regardless of whether you can read and understand the ancient glyphs. This voice of all things could be simply be building up to one of the reasons to attain One Piece, which in turn may also be connected to the Void Century. And on the point of Luffy's possible ability to communicate or understand other things, that simply could be an effect of the voice of all things, but not the intended purpose of it. Oda could simply be building up to its real purpose which may have to do with Raftel, but for now, he's just giving us a taste so we can be ready for it. But whatever it is, it may not be of any real value in a fight, and may be important for something else that simply hasn't been revealed to us.
Regardless if Luffy has it or not, I do like the thought that maybe the last "weapon" isn't necessarily something that is an immediately destructive force. It could be a more passive power that is meant for positive consequences, but it is considered extremely dangerous if it is used in nefarious ways, or its ability could have unintended dire effects which could have an negative impact on the world.
Ultimately, regardless of what abilities the voice of all things could have, I would prefer that many people or the descendants of the people from the Void Century had the potential for the voice of all things, simply because if Luffy alone has it right now, it further cements him as a kind of chosen one that destiny has created, which doesn't particularly excite me.
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My Uranos(means sky or heaven in ancient greek) theory - in greek mythology uranos was father of cyclops and titans and giants…. so maybe in One Piece Uranos is a father of oars? King Oars ot smth. The biggest, the strongest, so tall that he's reaching sky. If you think about it, why Oda created this oars race? We have classic animals, big fishes and this. It stands out too much if you ask me.
Anyway, you heard it here first.
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I dunno, Oars was named after a Norse diety. Plus, the greek Gigantes has living snakes for legs.
Anyways, the reveal of Uranus being the 3rd weapon is very suprising towards me, as I thought for sure it would be Zeus. If BB does indeed get such a thing, I would think Uranus would be the one, as contraty to popular depections of him in the media, Hades/Pluto was actually one of the more decent Gods in the old myths, while Uranus was a tryant who cared about not even his sons, and more fitting for an evil man like BB.
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@S.C.:
I dunno, Oars was named after a Norse diety. Plus, the greek Gigantes has living snakes for legs.
Anyways, the reveal of Uranus being the 3rd weapon is very suprising towards me, as I thought for sure it would be Zeus. If BB does indeed get such a thing, I would think Uranus would be the one, as contraty to popular depections of him in the media, Hades/Pluto was actually one of the more decent Gods in the old myths, while Uranus was a tryant who cared about not even his sons, and more fitting for an evil man like BB.
Uranus was the Father Sky though. I think those Enel theories are gaining a bit of merit.
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Someone in charge should change this thread's name and add Uranus.
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Uranus was the Father Sky though. I think those Enel theories are gaining a bit of merit.
That is true. But, like I said in the chapter thread, the domain of Sky could also include gales like Tornadoes and Hurricanes and ice storms like Blizzards and Hail. Maybe even Torrential Downpours.
Makes me think of Weatherpeia or Dragon, but I must admit Enel's position is strengthed by this revelation.
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claiming enel as an ancient weapon is just stupid.
Enel is NOT and ancient weapon. If anything his FRUIT is the ancient weapon not him. But I don't buy that, I don't see it as being something so casual as "oh whoever eats this gets the power of the weapon"
Shirahoshi was born with her ability, no matter what any other fishman in the world tried they could never do what she does.
Seems dumb that in enels case, it was whoever randomly found that fruit is some ancient weapon. Oh and did we forget that Enel sucks ass. He would get curb stomped by SO many people in the world. Even Shirahoshi at this moment with zero control over her ability could beat even the top people in the world by summoning hundreds of sea kinds. Can enel do any such thing? No he woudl be every admirals bitch, all the yonkous bitch, most warlords if not all's bitch and so on. That in no way screams "Ancient weapon" -
claiming enel as an ancient weapon is just stupid.
Enel is NOT and ancient weapon. If anything his FRUIT is the ancient weapon not him. But I don't buy that, I don't see it as being something so casual as "oh whoever eats this gets the power of the weapon"
Shirahoshi was born with her ability, no matter what any other fishman in the world tried they could never do what she does.
Seems dumb that in enels case, it was whoever randomly found that fruit is some ancient weapon. Oh and did we forget that Enel sucks ass. He would get curb stomped by SO many people in the world. Even Shirahoshi at this moment with zero control over her ability could beat even the top people in the world by summoning hundreds of sea kinds. Can enel do any such thing? No he woudl be every admirals bitch, all the yonkous bitch, most warlords if not all's bitch and so on. That in no way screams "Ancient weapon"I don't think that fruit is what makes him special. I think he might be special in other ways. For the record, I'm just entertaining this idea od the AWs being people rather than actual constructs. Don't you think that it's strange that Enel was apparently some genius with the blueprints to Maxim just lolling around in his skull? How did he know how to build such a grand ship? Enel might be the reincarnation of Uranus the GOD of the sky.
I have always had a theory about Enel being a child of prophecy who was fed the Rumble Rumble fruit at birth and was raised as a god. Why would the people of Bilka think that? Also why is Enel so different than other skypeians?
These recent developments may hold the answers.
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Uranus was the Father Sky though. I think those Enel theories are gaining a bit of merit.
Remember he went to the moon.
/channel Obi Wan
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I can see the Goro Goro no Mi being Uranus. Has it ever been explained how Enel came to be? (As in where he's from, where he got plans for the Maxim etc)?
Maybe the Sky Island he was from was connected to the Ancient Civilization…
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If the sky theme fits in with Uranus could Uranus be a sky island itself (or more likely located on a sky island)?
Weatheria moved thru the sky governed by the wind, so why couldnt an island be controlled in some way to move using the wind (massive sails would be the obvious answer i guess) to hover above any given island and strike without fear of retaliation. Obviously the issue is what kind of weapon would be able to attack from such a massive height (we dont know what kind of technology was around in the void century)
it's just a theory but it might make for a nice bit of variety if the weapons were a human, a ship and an island.
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If the sky theme fits in with Uranus could Uranus be a sky island itself (or more likely located on a sky island)?
Weatheria moved thru the sky governed by the wind, so why couldnt an island be controlled in some way to move using the wind (massive sails would be the obvious answer i guess) to hover above any given island and strike without fear of retaliation. Obviously the issue is what kind of weapon would be able to attack from such a massive height (we dont know what kind of technology was around in the void century)
it's just a theory but it might make for a nice bit of variety if the weapons were a human, a ship and an island.
I'm kinda thinking a weaponized Weatherpeia that shoot down lightningbolts and create other storms.
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If the sky theme fits in with Uranus could Uranus be a sky island itself (or more likely located on a sky island)?
Weatheria moved thru the sky governed by the wind, so why couldnt an island be controlled in some way to move using the wind (massive sails would be the obvious answer i guess) to hover above any given island and strike without fear of retaliation. Obviously the issue is what kind of weapon would be able to attack from such a massive height (we dont know what kind of technology was around in the void century)
it's just a theory but it might make for a nice bit of variety if the weapons were a human, a ship and an island.
I have thought about something like this before. If Pluton is a thing and Poseidon is a creature, then Uranus should be something that is neither.
In this case, I believe Uranus to be either an energy source, a natural place (like a Sky Island or the Moon), a vegetable, a ghost (lol) or a thing with its own consciousness (a robot, for example).
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Uranus could be a devil fruit tree. On a Sky Island. Which is why when they fall of the tree, they fall in to the Ocean to spread out. Explains why they always taste bad, because by the time they reach anyone they've gotten rotten.
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@Lazy:
Uranus could be a devil fruit tree. On a Sky Island. Which is why when they fall of the tree, they fall in to the Ocean to spread out. Explains why they always taste bad, because by the time they reach anyone they've gotten rotten.
It's also something I considered, which is why I put vegetable in my previous post as one of the possible manifestations of Uranus.
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I have thought about something like this before. If Pluton is a thing and Poseidon is a creature, then Uranus should be something that is neither.
In this case, I believe Uranus to be either an energy source, a natural place (like a Sky Island or the Moon), a vegetable, a ghost (lol) or a thing with its own consciousness (a robot, for example).
Animal, Vegetable, Mineral maybe? Poseidon's animal (Shirahoshi), Pluton's mineral (ship potentially built from minerals since we don't know what it's made from yet), and Uranus would be a vegetable or growth of some kind. I like the potential of it! Could be a lot of things since nature has been a big part of the OP world, from fruits to trees!
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Animal, Vegetable, Mineral maybe? Poseidon's animal (Shirahoshi), Pluton's mineral (ship potentially built from minerals since we don't know what it's made from yet), and Uranus would be a vegetable or growth of some kind. I like the potential of it! Could be a lot of things since nature has been a big part of the OP world, from fruits to trees!
Makes sense. Uranus could be the Devil Fruit tree, or even a Devil Fruit itself, or it could also be a tree with special wood like the Treasure Tree Adam or Sunlight Tree Eve. Many possibilities indeed.
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Well, in mithology at first there was Chaos, of the chaos came Gea the earth, and herself created Uranus, the sky, to be her lover to cover her.
She became pregnant with the Titans, and when she was ready to give birth, Uranus didn't let her, so she armed the youngest of her sons, chronos with a schyte, to cut the heaven's penis and allow her sons to be free.
At some time between then and this point, other personifications of things came to life:
- Pontus as the "river" that went around Gea, the primal god, or rather personification of the sea, created by Gea Herself
- Tartarus, as the deepest part of Hades (the place) underground, generated a little after Gea from chaos itself
Chronos kind of did the same, as soon as his wife/sister Rea delivered, he ate them, except Zeus who grew to release his brothers and sisters from his father's belly.
Then the 3 brothers split the lot: Poseidon took the Seas, Zeus took the sky and Hades (or Pluton) took the world of the dead, the underworld (with every riches that there were there).
Zeus had at least 2 kid candidates that were fated to do the same:
- If Athena were to be male, or born from her mother, she would be stronger than Zeus and able to take the world, so he ate her mother and delivered himself, through his head.
- Achiles mother was fated to have a son who was greater than his father, surely Zeus was lusting after her but managed to stop himself and forced her to mary a generic dude (or a king, don't remember), the prophecy came true without another God war.
So, why Oda chose Uranus for the 3rd weapon, theoreticaly the strongest, a god that isn't from the same generation of the others?
- Critical research failure
- Just wanted to make anus jokes with a weapon of mass destruction (this is going to be mentioned in the SBS!)
- Sounded cooler
- Zeus is too hard to write in japanese (ze-u-su I guess)
- It means something weird
- To point it as the Strongest
- Zeus wasn't "Sky" enough
- Or it's a hint of something else
In mithology over the gods, and king of everything were Uranus-Chronos-Zeus, as personification of the seas were Pontos-Oceanus-Poseidon, and as the underworld the place was composed of Tartarus-Elysean (fields)-Hades and the man in charge was Hades or Pluton.
So, here's the theory:
The ancient weapons Pluton and Poseidon aren't the first of their kind, there were others before them, just like them but weaker somewhat, that were destroyed and had to be rebuilt or renamed to be able to rival Uranus, or what the World Goverment was able to do to defeat them.
Uranus was built to last, or was a super prototype, or was never used, something happened to avoid turning it into Chronos or Zeus.And there's a mithological figure who was able to castrate Uranus and devour Poseidon and Pluton: Chronos.
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She became pregnant with the Titans, and when she was ready to give birth, Uranus didn't let her, so she armed the youngest of her sons, chronos with a schyte, to cut the heaven's penis and allow her sons to be free.
Of course, if she was pregant with them, how Cronus did that is somewhat hard to do. I usually think it's he hated his other children because the Cyclops were strong and the Hundred-Handers were ugly, and Gaea wanted them free.
Anyways, like said, Uranus' kids also were the Cyclops, who represented Lightning (Lighting, Thunder & Brightness) and the Hundred-Handers, who represented Natural Disasters (Earthquakes, Volcanic Eruptions & Tsunamis), so no matter what, I think it's something that controls the weather somehow.
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Pluton: most powerful weapon against land.
Poseidon: most powerful weapon among the seas.
Ouranos: the most powerful weapon from the sky?Also, Greek mythology gets silly at times :P
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@S.C.:
Of course, if she was pregant with them, how Cronus did that is somewhat hard to do. I usually think it's he hated his other children because the Cyclops were strong and the Hundred-Handers were ugly, and Gaea wanted them free.
Anyways, like said, Uranus' kids also were the Cyclops, who represented Lightning (Lighting, Thunder & Brightness) and the Hundred-Handers, who represented Natural Disasters (Earthquakes, Volcanic Eruptions & Tsunamis), so no matter what, I think it's something that controls the weather somehow.
She was the personification of earth, a very very large womb is not that outlandish.
As going so far to predict what can they do it's getting ahead of ourselves, we only have that they had the power to destroy the world, something in comon with the Quake fruit and the power to control hordes of giant monsters, weather control is a very possible third power, but now I'm more interested in HOW the WG managed to defeat these 3 powers.
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Are there only 3 Ancient Weapons?
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Are there only 3 Ancient Weapons?
According to this chapter "The 3 ancient weapons that bear the name of a god" so, unless something is undocumented in the phoneglyphs, or there are ancient weapons without the name of a god, yeah, only 3.
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I think the people who are saying Uranus is weather related aren't far off. When you think of the three weapons, Pluton, Poseidon, and Uranus, you immediately think of their properties in the mythos. They would go as follows:
Pluton - Pluto: God of the Underworld and Wealth. Some might say God of the Dead, but not Death.
Blackbeard has been shown to take the Devil Fruit power of the dead, with Whitebeard being the example, and now all that about him searching for abilities. Oh, but then what. Isn't Pluton supposed to be a ship? I can't pinpoint the exact chapter in which Pluton was said to be a battleship, but if it specifically mentions an armed battleship, disregard the next thought.
I think people assumed hearing ship and weapon in the same sentence assume it's a heavily armed boat. What if it was something like a ship-in-a-bottle with an ancient/mystic property to reclaim the wealth (which may include devil fruits) from the dead? I may be grasping at straws here, but Pluto was more of the god of wealth while Hades was more of the Underworld, if I remember correctly. Pluto is more associated with the wealth. It's pretty much accepted as an item or thing.
Poseidon - Obviously, the god is Poseidon, God of the Sea, the "Earth-Shaker".
That's Shirahoshi. The Sea Kings, the most savage of anything in the sea, follow Poseidon's word like a law. They do Poseidon's bidding. Poseidon also has something to do with Noah, which we have no idea about at the time. It is a person. One might say lineage, but how many Mermaid Princesses have there been since the one referred to on the phoneglyph? I'd assume more than just Shirahoshi, but I could be wrong. I think Poseidon is more of a singular person.
Uranus - Ouranos: Primal Sky God. What is associated with the sky? Weather. Simple enough, right?
When has weather been shown as anything similar to a weapon? Weatheria? No, no, that is a result of weird technology and science, doesn't seem like what we're looking for. Who has been shown around unexplained weather? Dragon! Of course! Then you'd be right. Dragon was present when that strange gust of wind blew about during Loguetown and that freak storm bursted out. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Dragon is the ancient weapon. Think about Dragon, who is he? Monkey D. Dragon, Revolutionary. There's that D. again. Oh, wait, Luffy was also saved by freak weather! Right before Buggy beheaded Luffy, lightning shot down, saving him. How convenient! Then, Smoker remarks that Luffy's ship had caught a tailwind, again very, very suspicious. "As if the heavens themselves want that boy to survive." Clearly Luffy doesn't know about any of this happening since he's a simple guy, so I suppose you could chalk those up to Dragon. Now think, those are two D.'s, if you count Luffy. Next, try to think forward, or should I say further back. In Chapter 0 Roger was on the short end of the stick fighting Shiki's fleet. He was saved by raging weather in a desperate situation. Two or three D.'s saved by weather or appear to manipulate weather.
During a flashback in the War Whitebeard remembered Roger talking to him about the initial D. He then remarked that Blackbeard was not one of the men Roger was talking about, waiting for. Blackbeard hasn't shown during strange, benefitial weather, which would make sense because despite having the D. initial, it follows that he isn't a true D.
Did weather benefit Ace in any way? I dunno. I'd have to look specifically for that, which I'll probably do later this week. If Ace is shown being benefitted by the weather then I think this theory begins to gain serious merit.
Dragon isn't simply fighting a revolution, he knows about the blank century, how it ties in the weapons, and has a perogative to be aligning against the Government. So did Roger. Everything isn't as it first appears. If anyone remembers another time where weather went wild in the presence of D.'s, please do share. Now you're thinking this is a straight lineage thing. Well, Roger isn't exactly related to Luffy or Dragon, he's related to Ace. All those that carry the initial D. are the remnants of the Ancient Kingdom. They are blessed with the power of Uranus. Those with the Will of D. have Uranus, or the Will of D. itself is Uranus.
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Uranus is the sky god?
Who else would be stoked if the ancient weapon ended up being Eneru's power?I'd love the return of Eneru although I don't know how I feel about DF's being ancient weapons
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Uranus is the sky god?
Who else would be stoked if the ancient weapon ended up being Eneru's power?I'd love the return of Eneru although I don't know how I feel about DF's being ancient weapons
Nah, Uranus isn't Enel's Power but its most likely in his possession.(and its not Maxim; Maxim's there to maybe bring it down to earth.)