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      You know i do enjoy the slice of life shenanigans ken akamatsu throws at us so I'm definitely enjoying UQ holder.

      Also, I still don't know what gender Kuroumaru is >_> I really hope Ken doesn't play the androgynous game on this one for long… but he most likely will.

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        @Pookiez:

        You know i do enjoy the slice of life shenanigans ken akamatsu throws at us so I'm definitely enjoying UQ holder.

        Also, I still don't know what gender Kuroumaru is >_> I really hope Ken doesn't play the androgynous game on this one for long… but he most likely will.

        Kouta clearly said he has a ding a ling, Kuromaru is a genderbent Setsuna

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          @Shuhan:

          Kouta clearly said he has a ding a ling, Kuromaru is a genderbent Setsuna

          Where? I just looked at the third chapter again and the only thing Kouta saw/groped was the ass and Kuromaru just said "he's" not a girl without actually showing any proof. I mean Kouta again asks for proof of manhood this chapter, but to no avail. It seems to me that Kuromaru is indeed a girl and for w/e reasons (probably due to her psycho clan) lives as a boy.

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            Chapter 8 is out on mangastream: http://readms.com/r/uq_holder/8/2105/1

            I'm definitely enjoying this manga, and it has started way quicker and more interesting than Nejima.

            reading the MS comments i found this gem.

            ! Looks like the fate of his arm…
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              Chapter 9 is out: http://readms.com/r/uq_holder/9/2110/1

              Unrelated question: Didn't Negi become an immortal during the final arc? How could he have died in 2065?

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                well judging from what shishido said since Negi was an immortal like Evangeline he could of been sliced to pieces put into several boxes that had magical seals on them preventing his body from becoming whole again. So Negi might be alive…...in a sense

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                  The castle of the evil mage looks a lot like one of Eva's places (was it in the glass globe or seen with the other Ala Rubra members?).

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                    Most likely, that castle is the place under the library, where Albireo lived: there is also a gravity sword, left by the mage who previously lived there, and Albireo was a gravity mage…

                    "Interestingly enough, the gods of the Disc have never bothered much about judging the souls of the dead, and so people only go to hell if that's where they think they deserve to go. Which they won't do if they don't know about it. This explains why it is important to shoot missionaries on sight."

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                      The problem is that it's not very good. It could be sometime down the line but right now it's not.

                      The good. The first two chapters were decent self-contained chapters. Some may disagree but I found them relatively promising for this type of story.

                      The bad. The story doesn't know what it wants to be. It wants to be an action series and it wants to be a comedy. It wants to be both and that's a difficult balance to strike, but to make matters worse it wants to be both at the same time. I guess, that could fine too (Mx0) if it were not for the fact that…

                      The ugly. There's no antagonist, there's no challenge, and there's no goal. The main driving force behind any story is conflict and there's none in this one. Now, this will change at some point down the line but for now there's no particular reason to read the series. All the story has to stand on are the characters and while seeing Konoka and Setsuna flirt is amusing and all it can't hold the story up on its own.

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                        @Sen:

                        The problem is that it's not very good. It could be sometime down the line but right now it's not.

                        The good. The first two chapters were decent self-contained chapters. Some may disagree but I found them relatively promising for this type of story.

                        The bad. The story doesn't know what it wants to be. It wants to be an action series and it wants to be a comedy. It wants to be both and that's a difficult balance to strike, but to make matters worse it wants to be both at the same time. I guess, that could fine too (Mx0) if it were not for the fact that…

                        The ugly. There's no antagonist, there's no challenge, and there's no goal. The main driving force behind any story is conflict and there's none in this one. Now, this will change at some point down the line but for now there's no particular reason to read the series. All the story has to stand on are the characters and while seeing Konoka and Setsuna flirt is amusing and all it can't hold the story up on its own.

                        I agree… It has the same problem Negima did for a long time... It wasn't sure what kinda of manga it wanted to be. I loved the action parts of Negima so when this series came out, I was stoked... but now I'm starting to realize that all that "stoked-ness" is wasted.

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                          Chapter 9 is out: http://readms.com/r/uq_holder/9/2110/1

                          Unrelated question: Didn't Negi become an immortal during the final arc? How could he have died in 2065?

                          That's one of the few hooks the series has, actually.

                          Unfortunately its a) a background hook that likely won't be adressed any time soon, and b) completely dependent on the previous series.

                          Largely, immortals can still be killed by enough violence (Beheading is generaly accepted in most fiction) or something blocking their abilities. Eva almost was in the first chapter after all.

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                            Just a heads up. Mini-flashback on chapter 24. We more or less get an indication of why Negi died.

                            ! The year written on Negi's tombstone is the year they go after the Lifemaker. It's not cut-and-dried but it's pretty damn close. Might be in the same situation as his dad was, but maybe not considering Eva hasn't done anything about it.
                            ! His party consists of Eva, Fate, Zazie, Mana, Chachamaru, and Al.

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                              I figured at least someone would bump the thread commenting on the latest chapter's Negi flashback, but alas it seems like none of the big Negima fans are following UQ holder at all since they are still bitter at Ken Akamatsu.

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                                So…

                                ! confirmation that Negi was alive at least 20 years ago? Maybe Akamatsu's going somewhere now.

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                                  @Pookiez:

                                  I figured at least someone would bump the thread commenting on the latest chapter's Negi flashback, but alas it seems like none of the big Negima fans are following UQ holder at all since they are still bitter at Ken Akamatsu.

                                  Damn straight .

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                                    Bitter why? We all know the circumstances behind Negima's end, and it took a while for Akamatsu to get on track with Negima originally anyway (anyone remember like first 6 volumes)?

                                    I'm not reading Holder for two main reasons:

                                    -it isn't interesting enough already
                                    -it's kind of lost individual identity and has become a window into what happened during Negima

                                    I dislike Akamatsu's revealing the series connection so early. Reminds me of how Deadman Wonderland basically doomed itself to mediocrity by revealing the Red Man's identity early in the story, after establishing that his identity was a big twist. It poisoned the progression of the rest of the manga and tainted fan attitude toward certain characters. I'm willing to give Ken a LONG grace period - Negima was quality for so long, it's hard to think he's suddenly mediocre, but rather a skilled driver struggling off-road but trying to get back to the main highway. I'm confident he'll get there, and I'm willing to wait as long as necessary for him to get back on track.

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                                      So bumping this thread after 30 chapters released. I still can't forgive Akamatsu so easily for the terrible end of Negima, but i'm a little bit interested after 30 chaps. This little tidbits of the past are cool and one thing revealed in chapter 29 caught my interest:

                                      ! Fate is back and it seems he is a bad guy/antagonist for now

                                      Naruto is so cool it has 600 billion naked Zetsus with armadillo penises dancing under a rainbow.

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                                        Why the hell did he end Negima the way he did if every aspect of this series was just going to be Negima 2 anyway?

                                        When it was just random offshoot with 1 character and random story hook, okay… but if he's back to reusing the MAIN villain half a year in then... what was the point?

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                                          @Rob:

                                          Why the hell did he end Negima the way he did if every aspect of this series was just going to be Negima 2 anyway?

                                          When it was just random offshoot with 1 character and random story hook, okay… but if he's back to reusing the MAIN villain half a year in then... what was the point?

                                          So far he is not using Fate as the main bad, Fate had only 2 panels. One showing him that he fought against the big evil together with Negi and a few other silhouetts and the other one observing Touta when he fought immortal hunters implying that Fate has something to do with the enemies of UQ holder.

                                          Naruto is so cool it has 600 billion naked Zetsus with armadillo penises dancing under a rainbow.

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                                            @Rob:

                                            Why the hell did he end Negima the way he did if every aspect of this series was just going to be Negima 2 anyway?

                                            When it was just random offshoot with 1 character and random story hook, okay… but if he's back to reusing the MAIN villain half a year in then... what was the point?

                                            I always thought Akamatsu ended Negima early because of a publisher spat, which then got resolved peacefully and he went back to making Negima. But, of course, he couldn't exactly redo the ending or call it Negima 2 for any number of reasons, so we got UQ, and it only took him 30 chapters so set up the world again.

                                            ! So even if the publishers forced Akamatsu's hand, why all the hate years later? Is it even justified? Does any of that even matter now that Akamatsu is trying to make it up to fans by tying UQ back into Negima? A lot of people here (not you Robby) come off as self-entitled children throwing immature tantrums. Some of us think they're entitled to the revival that they want, and that's fine, but when he's giving us almost exactly that now, they're just kicking Akamatsu in the groin. I can't even read TLC's posts without skipping immediately, for example. It's just gotten that bad.
                                            ! And yes, I know how a lot of people here think that Akamatsu disrespected the readers and copped out with no real ending, but given the rushed schedule and the revival, I'd say he deserves another chance.
                                            ! Honestly, this thread is just toxic with how many people were refusing to read UQ because of Negima's circumstances. I don't know if those people have started UQ yet, but just to put UQ into a different perspective, it's got ratings just below the original Negima, but given its lack of focus early on and the recent reveal/cliffhanger, I'd say it's going to get better. So can we please just enjoy where UQ is heading without bitching about Negima's lack of satisfying ending? UQ is the ending.

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                                              Nope, still not picking this up. Tying Fate in just makes me more angry.

                                              @Luxor:

                                              I always thought Akamatsu ended Negima early because of a publisher spat, which then got resolved peacefully and he went back to making Negima. But, of course, he couldn't exactly redo the ending or call it Negima 2 for any number of reasons, so we got UQ, and it only took him 30 chapters so set up the world again.

                                              ! So even if the publishers forced Akamatsu's hand, why all the hate years later? Is it even justified? Does any of that even matter now that Akamatsu is trying to make it up to fans by tying UQ back into Negima? A lot of people here (not you Robby) come off as self-entitled children throwing immature tantrums. Some of us think they're entitled to the revival that they want, and that's fine, but when he's giving us almost exactly that now, they're just kicking Akamatsu in the groin. I can't even read TLC's posts without skipping immediately, for example. It's just gotten that bad.
                                              ! And yes, I know how a lot of people here think that Akamatsu disrespected the readers and copped out with no real ending, but given the rushed schedule and the revival, I'd say he deserves another chance.
                                              ! Honestly, this thread is just toxic with how many people were refusing to read UQ because of Negima's circumstances. I don't know if those people have started UQ yet, but just to put UQ into a different perspective, it's got ratings just below the original Negima, but given its lack of focus early on and the recent reveal/cliffhanger, I'd say it's going to get better. So can we please just enjoy where UQ is heading without bitching about Negima's lack of satisfying ending? UQ is the ending.

                                              Because it comes off like a hand-me-down to the original story. Because UQ being Negima 2.0 clearly wasn't the plan and it comes off as a weak apology for how he fucked over the original series. Because Negima's ending WOULD and SHOULD be about the original characters and the original story-lines we were invested in and not these random new characters the author threw in. Because a lot of us are angry (and rightfully so) that the series we loved and defended could end so horribly because of some stupid internal politics. And I'm sorry? Years laters? It's barely been two, don't make it sound like it's been a decade.

                                              Akamatsu COULD have just restarted the series a la Shaman King and he'd be forgiven on the spot. But instead he recycles the universe for something completely different and tries to tie in the old stuff to appease the fans. Which personally just pisses me off more because it's like he's waving in our faces the things we wanted to see in the original series. But they're not, they're in this completely random new series and lose any meaning they once had as being focal points of the plot and are just half-assed resolutions for a story that has been long over, what were once important plot elements are now just Easter eggs.

                                              But hey, you're just going to skip this so why bother writing anymore?

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                                                Nope, still not picking this up. Tying Fate in just makes me more angry.

                                                Because it comes off like a hand-me-down to the original story. Because UQ being Negima 2.0 clearly wasn't the plan and it comes off as a weak apology for how he fucked over the original series. Because Negima's ending WOULD and SHOULD be about the original characters and the original story-lines we were invested in and not these random new characters the author threw in. Because a lot of us are angry (and rightfully so) that the series we loved and defended could end so horribly because of some stupid internal politics. And I'm sorry? Years laters? It's barely been two, don't make it sound like it's been a decade.

                                                Akamatsu COULD have just restarted the series a la Shaman King and he'd be forgiven on the spot. But instead he recycles the universe for something completely different and tries to tie in the old stuff to appease the fans. Which personally just pisses me off more because it's like he's waving in our faces the things we wanted to see in the original series. But they're not, they're in this completely random new series and lose any meaning they once had as being focal points of the plot and are just half-assed resolutions for a story that has been long over, what were once important plot elements are now just Easter eggs.

                                                But hey, you're just going to skip this so why bother writing anymore?

                                                It's already been long enough to get over my own disappointments with Negima's ending, why can't you? (And it has been years later, as in plural or more than one. Nobody said decade, you misinterpreted that yourself.) I personally wouldn't care if Akamatsu jumped right into the original's ending or had a timeskip that would ease us into what happened before the timeskip, since either would get us to that point. But it seems some people want it, and they want it NOW. >.<

                                                Now put yourself in Akamatsu's place. Do you honestly think he wasn't thinking of tying this into Negima from the beginning? I've been patient with this so far, and it's pretty obvious he's trying to make up to the fans by now. The fact that he tied main villain back in actually made me pretty happy, so I don't know why you're still bitching about it. I was pretty annoyed at the time in 2012 too, but only for a few weeks. How can I be angry when the circumstances behind the rushed ending involved new copyright laws and the end of an exclusive publishing contract? Have some empathy dude, and grow up a little. Akamatsu's moved on, the publishing company has moved on, I've moved on, many readers have moved on–-so why is your little grudge still here? All the reasons you've given aren't enough sustain over 2 years (at least, for myself), so I'm really surprised right now.

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                                                  @Luxor:

                                                  It's already been long enough to get over my own disappointments with Negima's ending, why can't you?

                                                  Because I'm a different person and maybe you shouldn't apply yourself as a measuring stick on how all people should act?

                                                  @Luxor:

                                                  (And it has been years later, as in plural or more than one. Nobody said decade, you misinterpreted that yourself.)

                                                  The context of your sentence is that it has been an insanely long time which I disagreed with, I did not misinterpret anything.

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                                                  I personally wouldn't care if Akamatsu jumped right into the original's ending or had a timeskip that would ease us into what happened before the timeskip, since either would get us to that point.

                                                  But we're not getting either, we're getting this totally brand new series with a completely different cast of characters.

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                                                  But it seems some people want it, and they want it NOW. >.<

                                                  I'd have waited years for Negima to come back. But not as this.

                                                  @Luxor:

                                                  Now put yourself in Akamatsu's place. Do you honestly think he wasn't thinking of tying this into Negima from the beginning?

                                                  He wasn't planning on ending Negima the way he did, that much is for certain. The plan is most probably to try and resolve all the stuff he left undone in this new series. Which we both agreed on. What I meant with my comment was the fact that he had to end Negima and restart it as UQ was never part of some grand design to tell the story from an original perspective but a cheap, hackneyed way to try and apologize to the fans after he realized what a huge mistake he made ending the series.

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                                                  I've been patient with this so far, and it's pretty obvious he's trying to make up to the fans by now. The fact that he tied main villain back in actually made me pretty happy, so I don't know why you're still bitching about it. I was pretty annoyed at the time in 2012 too, but only for a few weeks. How can I be angry when the circumstances behind the rushed ending involved new copyright laws and the end of an exclusive publishing contract? Have some empathy dude, and grow up a little.

                                                  Pot. Kettle. Black. How about you show some empathy and try to understand how people who spent years reading this series and being invested in its story and its world and its characters and who spent week after week reading the series, discussing it on forums wondering what was going to happen next, cheering on its characters, going through a rush of emotions as we sat down and read every page of this wonderful series…might be a little peeved to see it being "resurrected" in such an off-handed manner. Instead of acting with a condescending, holier than thou attitude because you think you're so mature and so "with it". Especially when you'd probably act the same if it were something you really cared about.

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                                                  Akamatsu's moved on, the publishing company has moved on, I've moved on, many readers have moved on–-so why is your little grudge still here? All the reasons you've given aren't enough sustain over 2 years (at least, for myself), so I'm really surprised right now.

                                                  I more than forgave Akamatsu when I found out that there were publishing issues that caused the series' cancellation (even though these apparent issues have never been a problem for anyone else and seemed more like a foolish preemptive decision to end the series on Akamatsu's part). But then he brings it back the way he did and for that, there's no excuse. If he wasn't going to bring it back properly, I'd rather he have left it dead and buried so it could rest with dignity.

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                                                    Edit: Actually, I'm gonna spoiler this since it's so long.

                                                    ! @TLC:
                                                    ! > Because I'm a different person and maybe you shouldn't apply yourself as a measuring stick on how all people should act?
                                                    ! Conceded.
                                                    ! @TLC:
                                                    ! > The context of your sentence is that it has been an insanely long time which I disagreed with, I did not misinterpret anything.
                                                    ! Two years is plenty long, don't even go off playing with words now.
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                                                    ! > But we're not getting either, we're getting this totally brand new series with a completely different cast of characters.
                                                    ! We're getting a time skip, plain and simple. The fact that it started off with new characters while slowly introducing old characters is the style he's going for, and if you're not seeing it then don't blame anyone but yourself.
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                                                    ! > I'd have waited years for Negima to come back. But not as this.
                                                    ! I would wait years for a satisfying ending too, but I'm also okay with UQ, even as subpar as it is for an author of Akamatsu's level.
                                                    ! @TLC:
                                                    ! > He wasn't planning on ending Negima the way he did, that much is for certain. The plan is most probably to try and resolve all the stuff he left undone in this new series. Which we both agreed on. What I meant with my comment was the fact that he had to end Negima and restart it as UQ was never part of some grand design to tell the story from an original perspective but a cheap, hackneyed way to try and apologize to the fans after he realized what a huge mistake he made ending the series.
                                                    ! Agreed, he's certainly trying to do that now. But even if he didn't intend to until Negima's rushed ending happened, and even if it's cheap and hackneyed, he's still trying to give something back to the fans. Can't blame a guy when he's going as far as writing and drawing a new serial, can I?
                                                    ! @TLC:
                                                    ! > Pot. Kettle. Black. How about you show some empathy and try to understand how people who spent years reading this series and being invested in its story and its world and its characters and who spent week after week reading the series, discussing it on forums wondering what was going to happen next, cheering on its characters, going through a rush of emotions as we sat down and read every page of this wonderful series…might be a little peeved to see it being "resurrected" in such an off-handed manner. Instead of acting with a condescending, holier than thou attitude because you think you're so mature and so "with it". Especially when you'd probably act the same if it were something you really cared about.
                                                    ! I don't think pots and kettles apply this time, TLC. I started reading Negima weekly halfway through its run (2007ish) until the end. I have a lot of empathy, as a fellow reader "who spent years reading this series and being invested in its story and its world and its characters and who spent week after week reading the series, discussing it on forums wondering what was going to happen next, cheering on its characters, going through a rush of emotions as we sat down and read every page of this wonderful series." It was so enjoyable at the time and stuck with me for years that I actually recognized several of the Kyoto sites as from Negima when I went there last year. I found the temple, the steps, the three water spouts, etc. Don't write as if I didn't care about it, I simply moved on after realizing it's not that big of a deal. No condescending attitude intended, sorry if you read it that way.
                                                    ! @TLC:
                                                    ! > I more than forgave Akamatsu when I found out that there were publishing issues that caused the series' cancellation (even though these apparent issues have never been a problem for anyone else and seemed more like a foolish preemptive decision to end the series on Akamatsu's part). But then he brings it back the way he did and for that, there's no excuse. If he wasn't going to bring it back properly, I'd rather he have left it dead and buried so it could rest with dignity.
                                                    ! This is as proper a continuation as you're going to get, so you might as well get over it and enjoy where the series is going in the next few years.

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                                                      The main problem is, even if Akamatsu ever adresses the big plot points left over from Negima, he's almost certainly never going to address the dozens of character subplots (such as each sudent getting their own pactios, romance entanglements, fullfilling their personal dreams, giving screentime and backstories to the dozen neglected students, etc.).

                                                      Pretty much at some point down the line he'd have to have an extended flashback that shows the final battle at length and what became of all the characters, and while that would be cool and would cover some of it… it would also be really out of place in an entirely separate series.

                                                      Its not that Negima ended, or even that it ended badly, or the fact that it FEELS like it might have actually been stronger if he'd ended it 10 chapters sooner with a slightly different take (reveal of Negi's father... have stuents arrive... jump into battle royale at that point...) Mostly it boils down to the fact that after the bitter Negima ending, (which regardless of the behind the scenes reasons, for all intents and purposes, was basically the cast going "You know all the things you wanted to see for years? Well screw that, we'll just joke about how you missed them!") it really eats into the TRUST factor.

                                                      Akamatsu is talented. He builds great worlds and characters, does excellent combat, can tell a fun story. A.I. Love You, Love Hina and Negima are all proof of that. But what happens if we follow THIS series for years and get invested in the characters and stories and everything else again... only for him to again decide he needs to rush through and get it done with for some reason?

                                                      A bad ending can be forgiven if its just a bad ending... if it was clearly what the creator had planned all along anyway. But when it shows such blatant signs of of just giving up before the final stretch?

                                                      Mostly its extra jarring since Negima already had a spinoff manga, Negima Neo (which also had his assistants on it) , so it really feels like there was absolutely nothing stopping him from just doing a proper Negima continuation with the same cast. That he could have instead just done Negima FINAL and really picked up where he left off rather than this alternate method he's going with. The weird fusion apology with an entirely different cast using the same world and backstory crossover blend is just... weird.

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                                                        Thought I'd put this out there. I'm really liking UQ Holder.

                                                        I recommend: Peerless Martial God, Renegade Immortal, Gourmet of Another World, Trash of the Counts Family and The Great Ruler

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                                                          I'd say that, for now, UQ Holder has too many fights and too little plot to my tastes. Anyway, I'm ready to give it some more time (but not too much), since Negima, too, had a very bad start and only became interesting after two scores of chapters or so…

                                                          "Interestingly enough, the gods of the Disc have never bothered much about judging the souls of the dead, and so people only go to hell if that's where they think they deserve to go. Which they won't do if they don't know about it. This explains why it is important to shoot missionaries on sight."

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                                                            I got bored the moment Shinobu was thrown in for what seemed like nothing other than fanservice for Lova Hina fans.

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                                                              I got bored the moment Shinobu was thrown in for what seemed like nothing other than fanservice for Lova Hina fans.

                                                              …literal Shinobu, or just a character that looks and acts like her?

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                                                                …literal Shinobu, or just a character that looks and acts like her?

                                                                But Shinobu already has a clone…....that they did absolutely nothing with.

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                                                                  But Shinobu already has a clone…....that they did absolutely nothing with.

                                                                  Her clone had a tan! That was totally a thing!

                                                                  I enjoyed LH quite a bit (its been quite a few years since my last re-read though) but it definitely fell to marketing random fetishes (especially in the anime) by the end.

                                                                  Heck, Negima had everyone put on cat ears for no real reason for most of the festival arc.

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                                                                    Her clone had a tan! That was totally a thing!

                                                                    I enjoyed LH quite a bit (its been quite a few years since my last re-read though) but it definitely fell to marketing random fetishes (especially in the anime) by the end.

                                                                    Heck, Negima had everyone put on cat ears for no real reason for most of the festival arc.

                                                                    I haven't read Love Hina since high school (even though I own all the volumes) and I liked it at the time. If I read it today I'd probably hate it.

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                                                                      Different dream, job and surname, but otherwise the same first name, appearance and personality. Probably a descendant but just feels like the same character. I dunno if it's first or surname but they are both called Shinobu.

                                                                      she only appears in chapter 2 so you could read just that chapter if you wanna check

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                                                                        Love Hina was great, I stand by it, it had its squicky fanservice moments but there was some genuine good characterization in it. The arc where Naru and Keitarou finally hook up is one of the most badass things I've ever read.

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                                                                          The fanservice in Love Hina was mitigated by the fact that… most of the characters were college age, and it largely shied away from Koala and Shinobu (largely).

                                                                          It was harder in Negima when you know they're all underage.

                                                                          Just pen and ink drawings either way, but...

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                                                                            Back to UQ Holder, seems like the author has given up and just decided to set it in the school now.

                                                                            I recommend: Peerless Martial God, Renegade Immortal, Gourmet of Another World, Trash of the Counts Family and The Great Ruler

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                                                                              I opened it up just to take a glance and see where it had gotten 60 chapters in and the first line of the chapter was "Mahora Martial Arts tournament." And Mana was there.

                                                                              I should have just closed it on the first page and moved away.

                                                                              Instead I skimmed the rest of the chapter to see if the context really was what it seemed to be. And proceed to see a whole shitload of old Negima characters cameoing, that they're back at the same school with the same cg models, are prepping to reuse a storyline that was already a lengthy arc in the original series.

                                                                              Can someone please explain to me again why he didn't just continue the actual story instead of going into this hodgepodge future?

                                                                              Also. What the hell happened to the art. The characters, lineweight, shading, ziptone and camera angles look awful, (aside from the fight shot flashbacks) and the cgi backgrounds are much more cgi looking than they used to be. Did Ken lose a bunch of his assistants?

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                                                                                I must agree with you that the cameos are completely out of control in this chapter, and the plot in general is being weighed down by all this Negima stuff.

                                                                                Akamatsu should have gone for a completely new fighting manga, without so much harem, but it seems like he feels responsible for the shitty ending Negima had and is trying to compensate the fans in UQ Holder.

                                                                                I don't really have high hopes, since the story has been pretty aimless, but will keep reading if only because the fights are still pretty satisfying

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                                                                                  I read a few chapters of this and the latest one but I don't remember there ever being any harem.

                                                                                  As for the art…it looks to me Ken's gone from his traditional approach to digital.

                                                                                  [[My series COMIXSCAPE!](http://www.comixscape.net)] [[Check COMIXSCAPE on PBS!](https://youtu.be/4c5q2dosG2g)]

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                                                                                    I read a few chapters of this and the latest one but I don't remember there ever being any harem.

                                                                                    As for the art…it looks to me Ken's gone from his traditional approach to digital.

                                                                                    Times have changed, a harem isn't restricted to women nowadays.

                                                                                    I recommend: Peerless Martial God, Renegade Immortal, Gourmet of Another World, Trash of the Counts Family and The Great Ruler

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                                                                                      The best friend character is romantically interested in Touta?

                                                                                      [[My series COMIXSCAPE!](http://www.comixscape.net)] [[Check COMIXSCAPE on PBS!](https://youtu.be/4c5q2dosG2g)]

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                                                                                        @sabret00the:

                                                                                        Times have changed, a harem isn't restricted to women nowadays.

                                                                                        In fairness, Kuromaru could still end up a woman given that he's technically still genderless right now

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                                                                                          The best friend character is romantically interested in Touta?

                                                                                          He doesn't really know.

                                                                                          I recommend: Peerless Martial God, Renegade Immortal, Gourmet of Another World, Trash of the Counts Family and The Great Ruler

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                                                                                            ! I have already decided to start UQ Holder! when best girl

                                                                                            ! Fate, obviouslyhas reappeared, but this is too much.

                                                                                            Calm down Akamatsu, at this rate you will have to summon Jack Rakan as soon as the next volume.

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                                                                                            Also. What the hell happened to the art. The characters, lineweight, shading, ziptone and camera angles look awful, (aside from the fight shot flashbacks) and the cgi backgrounds are much more cgi looking than they used to be. Did Ken lose a bunch of his assistants?

                                                                                            Can't find the source, but apparently Akamatsu has completely moved on to digital format since the end of Negima.

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                                                                                              Can't find the source, but apparently Akamatsu has completely moved on to digital format since the end of Negima.

                                                                                              I did a quick comparison of art in chapters. The first few chapters he was still doing it traditionally, you can see it in the character ink line. Then somewhere around 10 or 20 all the lines became thinner and more unified and less interesting, the sign of digital tablet drawing. So, probably around there.

                                                                                              Such a shame. I understand, its much easier to change and rework and scale and ink and replicate and insert into the page and cuts out scanning time, almost every full time artist I know is all digital now for a lot of reasons, but… his older stuff did look better.

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                                                                                                Now it has oficially become Negima part 2, not that I complain, since it means that we could actually get a good ending, but I was starting to like the main cast of characters, and it seems as if they are being overshadowed by all the cameos.

                                                                                                Hoping that from this chapter onwards more people picks up the manga again, give a second chance to akamatsu sensei

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                                                                                                  I haven't bothered to follow this ever since that Shinobu-clone chapter.

                                                                                                  So tell me, is Shinobu-clone still around?

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                                                                                                    @JarmenKell:

                                                                                                    I haven't bothered to follow this ever since that Shinobu-clone chapter.

                                                                                                    So tell me, is Shinobu-clone still around?

                                                                                                    Nope, never appeared again

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                                                                                                      Am I the only person still enjoying UQ Holder?

                                                                                                      I recommend: Peerless Martial God, Renegade Immortal, Gourmet of Another World, Trash of the Counts Family and The Great Ruler

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                                                                                                        Am I the only person still enjoying UQ Holder?

                                                                                                        You're the only person even reading it.

                                                                                                        He reeeeally should have just made it a new series instead of Negima 2. It would have had a better chance then.

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