Tokyo Revengers

Kdom

I don't know if Furio (delinquents) mangas are popular in this forum but I am personally quite found of them.
And this one in particular. It is drawn by Ken Wakui the author of Shinjuku Swan or Sekisei Inko and published in the Shounen Magazine.

The story takes the genre into fantastic ground since the hero time travels to the past in order to try to save his first love. The story is really great (lot's of manly tears) and I am very found of Wakui art style.

https://mangadex.org/title/22529/tokyo-revengers/chapters/
The scanlation status is a bit complicate since some official chapters have been ripped of (please prefer the official release if you have access to it) but the last raw chapters have been translated this week so for those who wants to binge read the serie, it is the perfect time.
I myself am not up to date yet

PS: No swastiska talk please, this is not the object of the thread

pariston_hill

Yeah I binge this a while back, is a reaaaaly good read. Creative use of time travel, good use of tropes of brothers in arms.
Also Kisaki is a bastard.

Kdom

yeah it's really great. I also like Nanba MG5, it's more shonen but still very fun to read

fdsfgfs

I enjoy delinquent stuff, but infrequently. Crows/worst was good. I actually loved Kyou Kara Ore Wa for some reason. Mostly it seems hit or miss. I'll definitely give it a shot - sort of curious what makes me enjoy one of these and not others.

(Shame about the swastika thing)

pariston_hill

To be fair to the fact the the swastika is a religious symbol 5000 years old, spread in many of the euro-asians cultures, it's only a bad one if it's tilted 45º left.

fdsfgfs

Sure, we all know that by now, but it's tainted by association nonetheless.

pariston_hill

Man the last few chapters have been a blast.

Kdom

@pariston_hill:

Man the last few chapters have been a blast.

Yes appart from the Angry being strong when he cried, the battle has been great so far
And 169 has a big twist

pariston_hill

@Kdom:

Yes appart from the Angry being strong when he cried, the battle has been great so far
And 169 has a big twist

Saw the french scans, waiting for the chapter to drop.

Kdom

i wonder if there is another time jumper. It doesn't seem like Kisaki does

pariston_hill

It has to be Kisaki, there's the "hero" reference he did in the future and them in the past to Takemichi, and how it always ended with Kisaki ordering the hit.

pariston_hill

! Are we reaching the end of the dockyard fight? Reaching the 5 chapters to end announcement?

Ivotas

Sorry for bumping this thread but since this series really is getting big here in Japan lately I figured I'd give it a try and BOY is it worth a read. Got hooked from the very first chapter and don't remember the last manga that I just couldn't stop reading with the old "just one more chapter" only for several hours to pass and me still reading this. There's quite a great cast of characters. While the protagonists is not my favorite I have to say he's just badass in a completely different way from what the usual badass characters are. He's weak and kinda pathetic in the beginning and it really takes a long time for him to become the badass that he is, where even I as a reader go "dude, enough is enough, how far are you willing to go?" only to get a reaction out of him that hits me like a sledgehammer. I really really recommend people to check this out.

@fdsfgfs:

Sure, we all know that by now, but it's tainted by association nonetheless.

Thing is though it's totally normal symbol here in Japan. Like it's literally used on maps to mark temples and shrines iirc (has been a while since I consultet a map that is not Google Maps^^'). I get that the tainted association is there for people in the west. Heck I've been born and raised in Germany so imagine my first shock seeing that. But then I also grew to understand that a) it's a Manji and not a Swastika and b) this thing has a completely different connotation here in Japan which doesn't connect to the one we have in the west at all. So condeming this series because of this is not unfair only to the series but pretty much also to the cultural background here.

Please don't think I'm putting heavy emphasis on talking only to you here. I mainly quoted you because I think that many people in the west don't give the series a chance because of exactly the Manji. I'm quite sure that this is the reason why there's not much traffic in this thread to begin with. Heck, truth be told I did for a while but then literally all my fans here in Japan that are into manga just told me how awesome the series was and giving it a shot is how I got into it. I really would have missed out if I had continued my stance. So I'm pretty much trying to explain that I know where people come from and that it's still ok to give this series a go. There's nothing that will make you feel like ou're sympasizing with the scum of the earth's idiology if you read this series.

fdsfgfs

@Ivotas:

Sorry for bumping this thread but since this series really is getting big here in Japan lately I figured I'd give it a try and BOY is it worth a read. Got hooked from the very first chapter and don't remember the last manga that I just couldn't stop reading with the old "just one more chapter" only for several hours to pass and me still reading this. There's quite a great cast of characters. While the protagonists is not my favorite I have to say he's just badass in a completely different way from what the usual badass characters are. He's weak and kinda pathetic in the beginning and it really takes a long time for him to become the badass that he is, where even I as a reader go "dude, enough is enough, how far are you willing to go?" only to get a reaction out of him that hits me like a sledgehammer. I really really recommend people to check this out.

Thing is though it's totally normal symbol here in Japan. Like it's literally used on maps to mark temples and shrines iirc (has been a while since I consultet a map that is not Google Maps^^'). I get that the tainted association is there for people in the west. Heck I've been born and raised in Germany so imagine my first shock seeing that. But then I also grew to understand that a) it's a Manji and not a Swastika and b) this thing has a completely different connotation here in Japan which doesn't connect to the one we have in the west at all. So condeming this series because of this is not unfair only to the series but pretty much also to the cultural background here.

Please don't think I'm putting heavy emphasis on talking only to you here. I mainly quoted you because I think that many people in the west don't give the series a chance because of exactly the Manji. I'm quite sure that this is the reason why there's not much traffic in this thread to begin with. Heck, truth be told I did for a while but then literally all my fans here in Japan that are into manga just told me how awesome the series was and giving it a shot is how I got into it. I really would have missed out if I had continued my stance. So I'm pretty much trying to explain that I know where people come from and that it's still ok to give this series a go. There's nothing that will make you feel like ou're sympasizing with the scum of the earth's idiology if you read this series.

No, I understand, I just think it's a barrier to more widespread adoption.

I read a bunch of this up until recently, when I figured it was more or less over, or at least moving into a new era, and instead the same plotline seemed to start all. over. again. I'll probably give it another catch up in a few months to see where it goes.

RoboBlue

@Ivotas:

Sorry for bumping this thread but since this series really is getting big here in Japan lately I figured I'd give it a try and BOY is it worth a read. Got hooked from the very first chapter and don't remember the last manga that I just couldn't stop reading with the old "just one more chapter" only for several hours to pass and me still reading this. There's quite a great cast of characters. While the protagonists is not my favorite I have to say he's just badass in a completely different way from what the usual badass characters are. He's weak and kinda pathetic in the beginning and it really takes a long time for him to become the badass that he is, where even I as a reader go "dude, enough is enough, how far are you willing to go?" only to get a reaction out of him that hits me like a sledgehammer. I really really recommend people to check this out.

Thing is though it's totally normal symbol here in Japan. Like it's literally used on maps to mark temples and shrines iirc (has been a while since I consultet a map that is not Google Maps^^'). I get that the tainted association is there for people in the west. Heck I've been born and raised in Germany so imagine my first shock seeing that. But then I also grew to understand that a) it's a Manji and not a Swastika and b) this thing has a completely different connotation here in Japan which doesn't connect to the one we have in the west at all. So condeming this series because of this is not unfair only to the series but pretty much also to the cultural background here.

Please don't think I'm putting heavy emphasis on talking only to you here. I mainly quoted you because I think that many people in the west don't give the series a chance because of exactly the Manji. I'm quite sure that this is the reason why there's not much traffic in this thread to begin with. Heck, truth be told I did for a while but then literally all my fans here in Japan that are into manga just told me how awesome the series was and giving it a shot is how I got into it. I really would have missed out if I had continued my stance. So I'm pretty much trying to explain that I know where people come from and that it's still ok to give this series a go. There's nothing that will make you feel like ou're sympasizing with the scum of the earth's idiology if you read this series.

Any idea if the anime is good?

pariston_hill

More problematic is the indirect glamorization of Bosozuko that were a ultra nationalistic criminal groups even if the author tries to make Takemichi reprove the actions of Kazaki and future Mike.

Ivotas

@fdsfgfs:

No, I understand, I just think it's a barrier to more widespread adoption.

I read a bunch of this up until recently, when I figured it was more or less over, or at least moving into a new era, and instead the same plotline seemed to start all. over. again. I'll probably give it another catch up in a few months to see where it goes.

I definitely agree that this is one reason for the failure of a widespread adaption.

I can relate to the feeling of it sounding like it's an all over again and while I agree that everything could have ended here somehow, when Kisaki got finaly defeated in the past it just didn't feel like the real end. The return to the present felt kinda epilouge-ish but the end of the final battle in the past and all the goodbye's just were lacking something. I don't know what but it just felt like this isn't the end so I'm ok with the thing which is now even announced by the author to be the final arc.

@RoboBlue:

Any idea if the anime is good?

Haven't seen the anime yet but it definitely is one of the reasons why it got more popular here.

@pariston_hill:

More problematic is the indirect glamorization of Bosozuko that were a ultra nationalistic criminal groups even if the author tries to make Takemichi reprove the actions of Kazaki and future Mike.

I was worried about this also but luckily there was the part (please don't ask me where exactly as I've just read the entire series in less than a week) where I think it was Draken (might be mistaken) was saying something along the lines of this entire delinquent groups being teenegers in their rebellious years. I'm very much paraphrasing here but that was the general gist of it. Plus I take it as a clear statement against this seeing that if you stick with such groups as an adult you end up doing criminal stuff while when you completely get out of it you live regular lives as adults and try to achieve your life goals each.

Of course I might be mistaken here but reading those parts it does come across that while the author definitely is signaling that there's also some "cool" aspects about those gangs, it definitely comes across at leading to nothing but ruin in the end. I mean if we're making that argument that he's glamorizing this then we might just aswell say that Oda is glamorizing piracy, which we all know is not the case.

On a completely different note, can anybody here clear up one part that I didn't really understand? Gonna put it in spoilers because it really is heave "endgame" spoilers…

! Moments before Kisaki kicks the bucket he confirms that he's not a time leaper. How can he then know that he constantly get's rejected by Hina in the future?

pariston_hill

@Ivotas:

I was worried about this also but luckily there was the part (please don't ask me where exactly as I've just read the entire series in less than a week) where I think it was Draken (might be mistaken) was saying something along the lines of this entire delinquent groups being teenegers in their rebellious years. I'm very much paraphrasing here but that was the general gist of it. Plus I take it as a clear statement against this seeing that if you stick with such groups as an adult you end up doing criminal stuff while when you completely get out of it you live regular lives as adults and try to achieve your life goals each.

I take more like this, there a few bad individuals such as Kisaki and the current group and Boten, but the original Black Dragons and Tokyo Manji pass more of the idea of banchous.
I'm just saying this because something I saw on twitter yesterday, apparently the same edgy right wing otaku crowd that glorify SnK is globing up Tokyo Revengers here.

Ivotas

@pariston_hill:

I take more like this, there a few bad individuals such as Kisaki and the current group and Boten, but the original Black Dragons and Tokyo Manji pass more of the idea of banchous.
I'm just saying this because something I saw on twitter yesterday, apparently the same edgy right wing otaku crowd that glorify SnK is globing up Tokyo Revengers here.

That's interesting. I see it exactly the opposite because while the huge crowd of unnamed followers doesn't strike me to have that strong ideals and is easy to sway if they are impressed by someone stronger. There's plenty of cases where the unnamed ones fight or want to see ights just for violences sake and not because they are following a strong moral code. This is pretty much the protagonists do.

The second part of your statement I agree with. Such a thing is definitelfy problematic but then again I woul say will find problematic crowds that support something for the wrong reasons. That's pretty much why I'm not a big fan of closed groups that on he surface share the same love for something. I do like talking and exchanging views with people that share the same interests as me. But at the same time I'm also very careful to not get too deep into such groups. So yeah, problematic but would agrue that it's not limited to this series.

Ivotas

Sorry for the double post but since this is about the most recent chapter I figured a new post matching the timestamp is better.^^' Anyways, even if it's been out for a week I'll keep it in spoilers as something big happened…

! To cut to the chase, they really went and killed Draken. Now I'm torn between two things I think that will happen. On the one hand I just don't see Draken stay long for good which means that they will find a way to undo his death. But for that there wouldn't need to be another timetravel involved and we said this was the final one so it would kinda feel cheap to do that. On the other hand I want him to stay dead (even though he's my favorite character) because undoing a death that actually took place in the past opens up the door for undoing Emmas and Bajis deaths too. I know that Takemichi promised that he's gonna save them too but I see a big danger of this falling into the trap that so many other mangas have fallen after reviving people to a degree where the gravity of death lost any meaning. I know that's rich comming from a manga who's sole point is to stop a death from happening but so far that always followed the promise of going to the past to undo a death in the present. I don't know how I would feel about undoing deaths in the past timeline now.

Seafarer33

Oh, yeah, thanks for linking this manga. I binged it a couple weeks ago, it's really an interesting take on time travel with a lot of gut-wrenching stakes. On the third Kisaki loop I began to find it a bit repetitive though, and my interest shrank. Until the very end I wasn't sure if he himself wasn't a time leaper, but it seems he is gone for good now. Good riddance! Maybe his status was intentionally left vague so that he could be kept as a recurrent antagonist if needed.
The latest arc has me interested again after finding out that Mikey is a time trigger himself, and the promise that this is the loop to end all loops. Not thrilled by the latest chapter either, though, for pretty much the same reasons Ivotas highlighted

pariston_hill

Either we:

! a) to save Mikey a lot more will die; or
b) the final time loop will result in Mikey never existing and the return of the last timeline we seen.

Ivotas

@Seafarer33:

Oh, yeah, thanks for linking this manga. I binged it a couple weeks ago, it's really an interesting take on time travel with a lot of gut-wrenching stakes. On the third Kisaki loop I began to find it a bit repetitive though, and my interest shrank. Until the very end I wasn't sure if he himself wasn't a time leaper, but it seems he is gone for good now. Good riddance! Maybe his status was intentionally left vague so that he could be kept as a recurrent antagonist if needed.
The latest arc has me interested again after finding out that Mikey is a time trigger himself, and the promise that this is the loop to end all loops. Not thrilled by the latest chapter either, though, for pretty much the same reasons Ivotas highlighted

I did pretty much the exact same thing a couple of weeks ago and I'm totally sucked into this series. And I agree that it came dangerously close to being too repetative but so far I don't think the concept overstays it's welcome. While I do enjoy reading it I do hope that it will end when it's supposed to end and doesn't get extended to milk it's insane popularity it has right now here in Japan.

@pariston_hill:

Either we:

! a) to save Mikey a lot more will die; or
b) the final time loop will result in Mikey never existing and the return of the last timeline we seen.

I'll move out of the spoilers because I think the speculation below will not spoil the event in chapter 221. I actually also theorized that something like b) would happen rather than Mikey never having existed I thought it would rather be something like Takemichi having never existed or never having met Hinata, which wouldn't have driven Kisaki down this path. This would pretty much be like the ending to Butterfly effect which this manga heavily borrows from in the first place.

On the other hand however if Takemichi takes himself out of the past it would actually only resovle the killing of Hinata. Everything about Mikey starting from how brother died up to the most recent events would be unaffected by it. So maybe taking Mikey out is the more likely solution. Either way I don't think that we'll get a completely happy ending and more something like EVERYBODY gets saved except for the one that has to be erased for that to happen.

Shiebs

I just finished episode 11, I have no idea where the story is gonna go from here since it seems like they accomplished what they set out to do but I’m excited to watch more tomorrow

Ivotas

What did episode 11 cover? I'm just reading the manga so I'm not familiar with it and I wouldn't like to spoil things or you.

Seafarer33

So I read the last few chapters.

While I initially devoured the manga and had gotten back some enthusiasm in the latest time leap, I must say my interest is plummeting with the current gang battle. Mikey is there (he is, right ? I'm not even sure anymore) but does nothing. Draven's fate seems to have had zero consequences whatsoever so far - the Crimelord Mikey future was much more favorable for him. Cryamichi is…doing what exactly ?
All we have had for the past few chapters is a bunch of guys completely unheard of before (I mean that in the long term ; they were properly introduced but I'm not at all invested in any of them, because compared to the 200+ chapters backlog they're brand new) engaged in more of the lame gang fights gang with gang leaders who are more ferocious than the most ferociousest of the previous ferociousest legendary gang. Dammit ! I've loved this manga, but I'm in it for the time travel and to watch Takemichi overcome his weaknesses and save his beloved. I'm not here for the slugfest.

I'll give it a few weeks to see what happens after the fight is settled, but I think this really may be one arc too much as far as I am concerned.

Ismael

@Seafarer33:

I'll give it a few weeks to see what happens after the fight is settled, but I think this really may be one arc too much as far as I am concerned.

And what do you expect?

Seafarer33

I'm not sure. To see the dynamic between Takemichi and Mikey under the spotlight. Draven gets a proper mourning. More everyday life, less giant brawls with new faces outta nowhere. Something to make me want to read what comes next. I know it's always been this manga's recipe to solve key time-travel milestones through such battles, but while I enjoyed them in the first half of the series I gradually grew tired. The last Kisaki battle and this one, especially, have focused less on Takemichi to make room for secondary characters (who may one day become Mikey's future lieutenants so they're admittely not a bunch of nobodies) but it's not what I want to read about anymore. Meathead #57 may be a giant and an undefeated beast and a murderer, but I can't give a damn about what happens with him at the moment because as far as I know, he was never involved in Mikey's story before. Unless I missed something he didn't appear in any of the futures, Takemichi had never met or heard of him before. This is what drives me away at the moment, but I'm hoping the aftermath of the battle may shed some light on this. So I wait for what comes next

Ivotas

I find the critisism "less giant brawls with new faces" kinda an unfair since they have been properly introduced in the previous arc(s) and are pretty much the remains of the scumbags that were defeated. Let's not forget that just in One Piece where while we have some good pirates in the protagonists and friends the vast majority of the worlds pirates are scum in Tokyo Revengers the vast majority of delinquents are just scum too. And when the good guys that kept them (or Mikeys sanity) at bay leave then of course that leaves a power vacuum in there will always be people to grab the opportunity. Is it as interesting as watching long established characters? No, on that I agree with you. But I feel that this is the only logical way it could go since some parts have been concluded with the previous arc, like Takemichi saving his girl and all of the surviving Toman members getting a happy future. But some things didn't get addressed yet. One thing is Takemichi keeping his promise and chewing Mikey out in his big brothers stead. And the other is the big elephant in the room, Takemichi keeping his promise of saving Emma and Baji too. I still hope it'll be a bitter sweet ending like in Butterfly Effect were you save everyone at a big sacrifice.

Seafarer33

I do admit, several of them were introduced previously. Not all, though, and I really can't find it in myself to care for those who weren't. I guess it's mostly fatigue, anyway. As you say, events are unravelling in a logical way including the power vacuum aspect ; chances are I'd have found the same group of people more interesting earlier in the series when they weren't, like, the 3rd legendarily scummy gang supposedly involved in pulling Mikey on the path to darkness.

And yeah, I have no idea where Takemichi is going this time. I just hope his "wanna save Mikey" resolve won't come at the cost of everyone else's happiness.

Gizmo

So I just binged through this series in less than a week do you a recommendation from a friend. Engaging read, but agree with Seafarer on the latest arc not grabbing me, and I bet that’ll be a bigger slog upon a weekly read. Still captivated though, but man this could’ve just wrapped up without this new “final” arc.

When do new chapters usually become available online?

Ivotas

@Gizmo:

So I just binged through this series in less than a week do you a recommendation from a friend. Engaging read, but agree with Seafarer on the latest arc not grabbing me, and I bet that’ll be a bigger slog upon a weekly read. Still captivated though, but man this could’ve just wrapped up without this new “final” arc.

When do new chapters usually become available online?

Ah yes, great to see another person getting into this series as I think it's greatly underappreciated outside of Japan. As far as the critisism is concerned that fair enough as I stated above. Personally I also wished it would have just ended with the previous arc but I think or rather I now hope that this is the kind of series that wants to go out in a way where you just cannot have it all. You will have to make a sacrifice in order to save which in this case is Mikey respectively his happiness. I honestly do believe that this is going to end somehow like the Butterfly effect though I have no idea how this is going to save Mikey if Takemichi is going to undo his envolvment in everything. But if he never met his girl then Kisaki would never have went down the road he did which would be an interesting prospect. But that's me reaching out very far right there into the fanfiction-esque theories.

As to when new chapters become available online I'm afraid I really haven't gotten the date down yet. I usually check around the weekend with mixed results so I guess if no one else provides an answer you'll have to go with a little bit of trial and error to pin it down.

pariston_hill

Chapters are out Tuesday or Wednesday. Catscans picked it up.
As for the current arc, yeah, another big brawl after a huge arc that had a big brawl is tiresome.

Ivotas

Thanks for the release info pariston_hill. I agree on the big brawls complaint. While they are kinda an integral part of the delinquents world this series always worked best when not overusing them and mostly keeping them at ghe end of an arc. This one actually happened out of the blue and wasn't the big thing at the end of a month or such that the leaders of the different grouos have agreed on. Also too soon after the previous arc.

On a different note something weird happened to me again.^^' First of all I really don't like South. Part of it because he's written like an unlikable character and part because he constantly shouts Vivo in the most unfitting situations makikg the term lose any meaning (yabba-dabba-doo anyone?). Then we got his backstory this arc and I think it fits his personality. But wait don't you think it made me like him more. It just makes me think that it suits him well and that I hope he stays irredeemable. So what's the weird thing I hear you asking. Well…er... he shouted VIIIIVVVOOOO again. And it's starting to grow on me. I'll see myself out. XD

pariston_hill

South backstory is kinda like the author watched Cidade de Deus once and used as a reference. It's really weird that a japanese single mother would move to Rio when only 1h+ flight would land her in São Paulo, home of the biggest japonese community outside Japan where she could have had a better safety net as a new migrant.
Drug dealers use children, yes, but I don't think they use them as young as 5yo and specially not at hitmans. They usually start as spotters, basically lighting firecrackers as an alarm system for when the police makes a bust in a favela.
Yeah, right I know this is a shonen, and the majority of characters has to fall into the 12-22 age range, but hell not a 12 yo would have a chance to beat a drug lord to death.
And finally, before his backstory chapter I thought he was screaming in random italian(still could be if Dino was from italian descent) instead of portuguese. Like pt-br is not very faithful to the superlatives.

Ivotas

The author might have thought that Rio de Janeiro is more recognizable to a Japanese audience that really doesn't have as many visual clues to the uninformed eye.

And I also thought he was shouting Italian before this chapter. VIIIIVVVOOOOO!!! Somebody shoot me please.^^'

pariston_hill

Yup, speaking italian, and it's vivace not vivache.

Ivotas

I know he said Forte this chapter but didn't he also say Fortissimo in the previous arc? If yes, this would be even more something leaning more towards Italian than Portuguese since the term doesn't make much sense outside of playing music.

Also VIIIIIIIIIVVVOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

Yep, it definitely grew on me. Sometimes I hate myself for being this easy to manipulate.

Seafarer33

There might be something about his dark urges that will tie this guy to Mikey in an interesting way eventually, but so far I still fail at giving a damn about him and his quirky battlecries. :getlost:

pariston_hill

Bro

! Did Senju just broke South's neck?

Ivotas

Viiiiv….:blink:...morto? :blink:

Pepperoni

The anime had such a strong first impression with episode 1. I ended up picking up the manga after the final episode. I don't know where this current arc is going but I hope the manga sticks the landing.

Ivotas

@Pepperoni:

The anime had such a strong first impression with episode 1. I ended up picking up the manga after the final episode. I don't know where this current arc is going but I hope the manga sticks the landing.

It's still ongoing so we're not at the sticking the landing part yet. I still haven't seen the anime but as far as strong first impression is considered that was the first chapter for especially the final pages when the protagonists goal was manifested. I immediately thought "Ok, I'm hooked! Let's see how you pull it off!"

Pepperoni

@Ivotas:

It's still ongoing so we're not at the sticking the landing part yet. I still haven't seen the anime but as far as strong first impression is considered that was the first chapter for especially the final pages when the protagonists goal was manifested. I immediately thought "Ok, I'm hooked! Let's see how you pull it off!"

Yeah I'm still hopeful. We know the "how" with regards to the time traveling aspects of this manga. Do you think we'll ever get to explore the "why"?

Ivotas

@Pepperoni:

Yeah I'm still hopeful. We know the "how" with regards to the time traveling aspects of this manga. Do you think we'll ever get to explore the "why"?

That's a good question. Interestingly enough I haven't tought about this much as I progressed with the story but in the beginnings I was actually also expecting to have a why at some point. Perhaps yes, considering how (spoiler for the most recent arc)…

! … now we have a different kind of timejump that goes ten years into the past instead of 12 and also grants bonus abilities such as seeing the future.

Now that I think about it again, I do wish they would explore it instead of the changes just being asspulls for story convenience.

Ivotas

Chapter 230's out and…

! I have to say that even I am getting a bit bored by the weekly origins of all those new characters. Don't get me wrong, I do like characters being fleshed out, old and new characters alike. But when we get a new backstory for another character each week then it feels less like reading an actual story and more of a character encyclopedia.
! Also on a lesser serios note, after South looked like he got his neck snapped last chapter (which you know supposedly kills you) he gets up again this chapter and speaks in full sentences. Wouldn't this literally be the one and only situation where an actual "VIVO" aka "I'm alive/I live" would actually make friggin' sense for a change? XD

pariston_hill

@Ivotas:

Chapter 230's out and…

! I have to say that even I am getting a bit bored by the weekly origins of all those new characters. Don't get me wrong, I do like characters being fleshed out, old and new characters alike. But when we get a new backstory for another character each week then it feels less like reading an actual story and more of a character encyclopedia.
! Also on a lesser serios note, after South looked like he got his neck snapped last chapter (which you know supposedly kills you) he gets up again this chapter and speaks in full sentences. Wouldn't this literally be the one and only situation where an actual "VIVO" aka "I'm alive/I live" would actually make friggin' sense for a change? XD

I agree

! but I guess that the backstory of Mikey's older brother will probably be the source for Mikey's dark impulses.

Ivotas

@pariston_hill:

I agree

! but I guess that the backstory of Mikey's older brother will probably be the source for Mikey's dark impulses.

! That is very likely but there should be a better way to flesh that backstory out than this chopped off mess

pariston_hill

I'm empty inside

! So here I go killing again. Can we finally say Vivo está morto.

Ivotas

@pariston_hill:

I'm empty inside

! So here I go killing again. Can we finally say Vivo está morto.

! Since Takemichi saw it happen I would expect that he will stop this future from happening. Though the question us what the trade off will be.
! As far as this battle is concerned I have no clue where all of this is going. Ususlly those battles are a climax of an arc but this one is far from it so no idea where this will take us.
! On a subverted my expectations note, I'm surprised that Seiju actually didn't own South. Usually if an undefeatable monsters utters the words "I've not felt like this in a long time" it translates too "I'm toast". So I'm positively surprised that this statement lead to a different outcome. Too bad it had to be South who broke the mold.
! Also VIIIIIIIVOOOOOO!!!