Bounties after Whole Cake Island? lets discuss!!!

[garonne]

we have a high probability (99.99%) that all the strawhats from this arc will be making it out alive. When they do, with the introduction of big news morgans they news MAY spread to the world, or big mom's threat to him keeps him quiet. If the news spreads,

DO THE STRAWHATS RECEIVE A BOUNTY BEFORE WANO?

if yes, what increases are you expecting to happen?

if no, why not?

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I think there's a strong possibility that the strawhats receive a bounty before wano. The time it will take the strawhats to leave WCI and get to Wano should be close to a week (maybe shorter but zou was a week away from WCI). If the news spreads, and not just stussy and the marines knowing but the whole world knowing, the straw hats should be seen as bigger threats.

While they haven't outright threatened the world government with this move, they've shown that they are more dangerous by the level of potential threat they are starting to pose. The defeat of 1(maybe 2 commanders), the destruction of WC chateau and just all around destruction of WCI. While these areas are not under the jurisdiction of the government, they are still feats. The strawhats along with the firetanks should see an increase.

With that said, i'm looking at:

Luffy - 700-800m Beri
sanji - 250 Beri
nami - 100m Beri
chopper - 500 Beri
brooke - 120-150m Beri
jinbei - 400-450m Beri
capone - 450m Beri

absent members (either a 20m Beri jump again or below)

usopp - 220m Beri
robin - 150m Beri
franky - 120-150m Beri
zoro - 350m Beri

Either this or only Luffy, sanji, jinbei and Capone get a raise. I really cant see the news spreading and luffy not get a bounty increase apart from the scenario of:
the Marines are discussing luffy's threat and raising his bounty on the same day he and the alliance also defeats kaido and some marine officer barges in and shouts that kaido has fallen causing the world to shake giving luffy his next bounty over 1b Beri.

[K. Kira XXIII]

They will all receive bounties, but none of them will surpass Ussop's, making Franky, Chopper and Sanji go fifty times harder in Wano so they are recognized.

[Koliber]

Sanji getting his bounty decreased due to Judge intervening as a sign of gratitude could be funny. But more seriously I don't think anyone in the crew did anything deserving more than maybe another flat increase crew received after Dressrosa (maybe this time it could be 60 M, so Luffy can finally got this pun number and surpass Ace) it can change depending on the result of Katakuri/Luffy battle and how well-known will it become, the same goes for Perospero. In particular, I don't think Chopper will get out of his joke bounty until his next shining moment which he never really got since EL (each of his achievements/plot threads either is downplayed or taken over by someone else).

[Robby]

I think given the timetable we won't be getting new bounties. They JUST got bounty increases after Dresserossa, which, in universe, was like a week ago. (And even in the real world was only about a year ago.) And in-universe, they're doing Wano in a couple days.

Post beating two emperors will probably be their final bounties for the series until the end, with Luffy getting to a billion, so I imagine it'll be saved until that point. And that way the milestone of "beating" an emporer isn't diminished by having sort of cheated through Big Mom like they're going to do.

Especially when for narrative purposes, we need Blackbeard and his crew to also be getting that same credibility at that point.
And that way Sanji and Chopper's first serious bounties can be a real bounty and pictures without ending their jokes.

[Koliber]

@Robby:

I think given the timetable we won't be getting new bounties. They JUST got bounty increases after Dresserossa, which, in universe, was like a week ago. (And even in the real world was only about a year ago.) And in-universe, they're doing Wano in a couple days.

It was two whole years, actually (real life). Though it still would be the fastest change we ever got.

[Crossword]

FakeBig News Morgans was there with his camera as well as an agent of the World Government so I can see increases, though not enormous ones. I can see Luffy getting to 700 million and Robin maybe hitting the big twenty-oh if it gets out that the Straw Hats got the Poneglyph rubbings. Everyone else would just get like a generic twenty/thirty million bump or something. Heck we still don't know Jimbei's current bounty.

Except Chopper of course. He'll still have his joke one. If Carrot gets a bounty I could see it being a normal figure to make him even saltier.

[Jabberwok]

Assuming Luffy beats Katakuri, he'll have taken down two Yonkou commanders in a relatively public way. That probably nets him a bounty increase. Maybe Jinbe, Capone, or Sanji get one but none of them have honestly done anything that incredible except for being brave and not dying. I doubt the rest of the crew will get anything. As others have said, the next big bounty milestone should be Wano.

Calling this now though, Carrot will get a bounty and it will be bigger than Bropper's.

[pRopaaNS]

I'm expecting a big bounty jump for Sanji, depending if his identity as Winsmoke gets exposed in the news. 277 mil new bounty minimum I guess.
As for Luffy, the question to me is how long the trend of 100mil increases will continue. I mean it'd be kinda boring to have 100m increase again, so I'd guess 150k increase this time to celebrate first brawl with the biggest fish. 650mil new bounty.
As for Nami and Brook, I think that their current bounties are pretty low for New World standards, so I expect them both to shoot up by 100mil each.
Jinbe +100mil as well, because I don't see reason for him getting less/larger increase than that.
Carrot 100mil first bounty I guess, because of beign mink from the new world.
Chopper still beign a pet. Is he even a pirate?
I don't expect to see bounty jumps for absent Straw hat members.

Luffy 650mil
Sanji 277-377mil
Jinbe 500mil
Brook 183mil
Nami 166mil
Carrot 100mil
Chopper bounty removed or something.

[Count Mario]

@Robby:

I think given the timetable we won't be getting new bounties. They JUST got bounty increases after Dresserossa, which, in universe, was like a week ago. (And even in the real world was only about a year ago.) And in-universe, they're doing Wano in a couple days.

Post beating two emperors will probably be their final bounties for the series until the end, with Luffy getting to a billion, so I imagine it'll be saved until that point. And that way the milestone of "beating" an emporer isn't diminished by having sort of cheated through Big Mom like they're going to do.

Especially when for narrative purposes, we need Blackbeard and his crew to also be getting that same credibility at that point.
And that way Sanji and Chopper's first serious bounties can be a real bounty and pictures without ending their jokes.

I completely agree with this.

@Jabberwok:

Assuming Luffy beats Katakuri, he'll have taken down two Yonkou commanders in a relatively public way. That probably nets him a bounty increase. Maybe Jinbe, Capone, or Sanji get one but none of them have honestly done anything that incredible except for being brave and not dying. I doubt the rest of the crew will get anything. As others have said, the next big bounty milestone should be Wano.

Calling this now though, Carrot will get a bounty and it will be bigger than Bropper's.

I don't think his fights with Cracker and Katakuri are anymore public than they were with Enel and Moria. Unless Morgans likes to interview Homies and trolling old ladies left at the altar decades ago.

[Jabberwok]

@Count:

I don't think his fights with Cracker and Katakuri are anymore public than they were with Enel and Moria. Unless Morgans likes to interview Homies and trolling old ladies left at the altar decades ago.

Enel's whole deal happened in a place that very clearly had minimal contact with the Blue Seas. As far as we know, Enel was a total unknown quantity to the WG. And Moria's defeat happened in a controlled environment where the WG could pretty easily deny it ever happened. Very few people knew about either.

Cracker's fight might not have been public, but his defeat certainly was. Luffy blasted him halfway across WCI and plenty of civilians saw his broken body. It's not a stretch for someone like Morgans to make the connection to Luffy and then publicize it. There's also very little motive for the WG to try and cover it up since the events in Tottoland don't really weaken their appearance in any way.

Katakuri's defeat obviously remains to be seen, but it seems fair to assume that the defeat of two commanders warrants a further bounty increase.

[Count Mario]

@Jabberwok:

Enel's whole deal happened in a place that very clearly had minimal contact with the Blue Seas. As far as we know, Enel was a total unknown quantity to the WG. And Moria's defeat happened in a controlled environment where the WG could pretty easily deny it ever happened. Very few people knew about either.

Cracker's fight might not have been public, but his defeat certainly was. Luffy blasted him halfway across WCI and plenty of civilians saw his broken body. It's not a stretch for someone like Morgans to make the connection to Luffy and then publicize it. There's also very little motive for the WG to try and cover it up since the events in Tottoland don't really weaken their appearance in any way.

Katakuri's defeat obviously remains to be seen, but it seems fair to assume that the defeat of two commanders warrants a further bounty increase.

Yeah, but only the Big Mom Pirates and random citizens know about Cracker's defeat in a land completely owned by Big Mom. And now Katakuri is stuck in the Mirror World with only Homies and Brûlée. Morgans only arrived on the day of the Tea Party/Wedding, and he was shocked to see that the Straw Hats were even on the island. And even if he does connect the dots, all he has is that the Straw Hats defeated Cracker and failed as assassination attempt on Big Mom. If Luffy didn't get an immediate bounty increase after his stunts on Sabaody Archipelago, then I don't think those things are enough even if Cracker is a very powerful opponent.

Probably. But I doubt Morgans is learning anything about that.

Something to also take into account is how Luffy hasn't really gotten stronger in any way since Dressrosa. Oda typically assigns bounties to fit the growth of the Straw Hats. Luffy's 30 Million was the base default at the end of East Blue. 100 Million was after Luffy's first loss and defeating his first big name in the pirate world. 300 Million came after unlocking Gear Third and Fourth. 500 Million came after showing off Gear Fourth in Dressrosa. The 400 Million bounty increase during the timeskip is the only one to stand out, but you could easily argue that it was made to fit Luffy's timeskip growth in his base form.

It hasn't even been 100 chapters since Chapter 801, which is when the post-Dressrosa bounties were revealed. We have never gotten new bounties that quickly, Even between the ends of Loguetown and Alabasta.

Now, we can totally assume that we're going to see some Enies Lobby-esque power-ups for the Straw Hats during Wano Country. And if so, the end of that arc would be the best time for the Straw Hats to get new bounties going by out-of-world reasoning by Oda's patterns.

[garonne]

@Count:

I completely agree with this.

I don't think his fights with Cracker and Katakuri are anymore public than they were with Enel and Moria. Unless Morgans likes to interview Homies and trolling old ladies left at the altar decades ago.

With Moria and enel those instances are very secluded. The WG knew of moria but nobody else knew and nobody knows of enel. If the world doesn't know about luffy infiltrating and taking down a commander then I don't see an increase at all, however if the world knows? Can't see it at all.

[Robby]

Also, half the strawhats aren't even in this arc. Be weird to inflate just some of them.

[garonne]

@Robby:

I think given the timetable we won't be getting new bounties. They JUST got bounty increases after Dresserossa, which, in universe, was like a week ago. (And even in the real world was only about a year ago.) And in-universe, they're doing Wano in a couple days.

Post beating two emperors will probably be their final bounties for the series until the end, with Luffy getting to a billion, so I imagine it'll be saved until that point. And that way the milestone of "beating" an emporer isn't diminished by having sort of cheated through Big Mom like they're going to do.

Especially when for narrative purposes, we need Blackbeard and his crew to also be getting that same credibility at that point.
And that way Sanji and Chopper's first serious bounties can be a real bounty and pictures without ending their jokes.

I'm leaning toward there not being a bounty increase for the same reason as the timeframe is beinf so close, but in previous instances that's because the world didn't know. If they did know I can't see it doesn't. Every instance of a bounty increase has been because of big news (pun intended). 2 shichibukais taken out, and attacks on government facilities. His first bounty was only pettyness from the rat looking marine.

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@Robby:

Also, half the strawhats aren't even in this arc. Be weird to inflate just some of them.

This happened in dressrosa…

[Jabberwok]

@Count:

Yeah, but only the Big Mom Pirates and random citizens know about Cracker's defeat in a land completely owned by Big Mom. And now Katakuri is stuck in the Mirror World with only Homies and Brûlée. Morgans only arrived on the day of the Tea Party/Wedding, and he was shocked to see that the Straw Hats were even on the island. And even if he does connect the dots, all he has is that the Straw Hats defeated Cracker and failed as assassination attempt on Big Mom. If Luffy didn't get an immediate bounty increase after his stunts on Sabaody Archipelago, then I don't think those things are enough even if Cracker is a very powerful opponent.

Probably. But I doubt Morgans is learning anything about that.

Something to also take into account is how Luffy hasn't really gotten stronger in any way since Dressrosa. Oda typically assigns bounties to fit the growth of the Straw Hats. Luffy's 30 Million was the base default at the end of East Blue. 100 Million was after Luffy's first loss and defeating his first big name in the pirate world. 300 Million came after unlocking Gear Third and Fourth. 500 Million came after showing off Gear Fourth in Dressrosa. The 400 Million bounty increase during the timeskip is the only one to stand out, but you could easily argue that it was made to fit Luffy's timeskip growth in his base form.

It hasn't even been 100 chapters since Chapter 801, which is when the post-Dressrosa bounties were revealed. We have never gotten new bounties that quickly, Even between the ends of Loguetown and Alabasta.

Now, we can totally assume that we're going to see some Enies Lobby-esque power-ups for the Straw Hats during Wano Country. And if so, the end of that arc would be the best time for the Straw Hats to get new bounties going by out-of-world reasoning by Oda's patterns.

Hm, that's a good point about the Cracker timeline. News about Urouge beating Snack hadn't gotten out either so Cracker's defeat not being publicized would make sense too. When I say "remains to be seen" in reference to Katakuri, that means that they may eventually change location. It's not hard to imagine Luffy punching Katakuri through a mirror onto Cacao Island and into the middle of a crowd of characters.

The point about the spacing of bounty increases is pretty good. While we don't know how much longer this arc will last, it seems fair to assume that any increase would come just about 100 chapters after the last one. Another way to put it is that bounty increases have happened approximately every 4-5 arcs so far. Just 2 arcs difference would be rather short.

Luffy's 400 million increase actually happened before the timeskip in reaction to his manifestation of Conqueror's Haki, just as a note. The same analysis still applies.

[Count Mario]

@garonne:

I'm leaning toward there not being a bounty increase for the same reason as the timeframe is beinf so close, but in previous instances that's because the world didn't know. If they did know I can't see it doesn't. Every instance of a bounty increase has been because of big news (pun intended). 2 shichibukais taken out, and attacks on government facilities. His first bounty was only pettyness from the rat looking marine.

This is true. But the debate is about whether or not Morgans would be able to find out the news of Luffy defeating Cracker and Katakuri in a Yonko-ruled territories when those defeats occurred in public/private areas where he wasn't present.

All he specifically knows thus far is that the Straw Hats allied with the Firetank Pirates to try assassinating Big Mom and failed, and probably the Straw Hats being able to quell Big Mom's rampage. I don't really think those feats are enough to merit bounty increases this far into the series.

@Jabberwok:

Luffy's 400 million increase actually happened before the timeskip in reaction to his manifestation of Conqueror's Haki, just as a note. The same analysis still applies.

I know the 400 Million increase came before the timeskip, yes. But I am saying that Oda probably had that happen so that it would be post-timeskip Luffy's default bounty for how powerful he is. It's around Jimbei's and Doflamingo's bounties, characters he is said to have similar strength to, so the logic fits. Which is kind of funny because the crewmates only got new bounties to fit their post-timeskip strength after Dressrosa.

But yes, Katakuri could come out of a mirror from an attack by Luffy. That would certainly gather a lot of attention, including from Morgans. But I doubt that Katakuri's getting defeated in the first place, which is a whole different subject lol.

[garonne]

@Count:

Yeah, but only the Big Mom Pirates and random citizens know about Cracker's defeat in a land completely owned by Big Mom. And now Katakuri is stuck in the Mirror World with only Homies and Brûlée. Morgans only arrived on the day of the Tea Party/Wedding, and he was shocked to see that the Straw Hats were even on the island. And even if he does connect the dots, all he has is that the Straw Hats defeated Cracker and failed as assassination attempt on Big Mom. If Luffy didn't get an immediate bounty increase after his stunts on Sabaody Archipelago, then I don't think those things are enough even if Cracker is a very powerful opponent.

Probably. But I doubt Morgans is learning anything about that.

Something to also take into account is how Luffy hasn't really gotten stronger in any way since Dressrosa. Oda typically assigns bounties to fit the growth of the Straw Hats. Luffy's 30 Million was the base default at the end of East Blue. 100 Million was after Luffy's first loss and defeating his first big name in the pirate world. 300 Million came after unlocking Gear Third and Fourth. 500 Million came after showing off Gear Fourth in Dressrosa. The 400 Million bounty increase during the timeskip is the only one to stand out, but you could easily argue that it was made to fit Luffy's timeskip growth in his base form.

It hasn't even been 100 chapters since Chapter 801, which is when the post-Dressrosa bounties were revealed. We have never gotten new bounties that quickly, Even between the ends of Loguetown and Alabasta.

Now, we can totally assume that we're going to see some Enies Lobby-esque power-ups for the Straw Hats during Wano Country. And if so, the end of that arc would be the best time for the Straw Hats to get new bounties going by out-of-world reasoning by Oda's patterns.

I think it would be rare to find someone who doesn't expect a bounty increase if/when kaido goes down son o qualms there. However every public display has garnered a bounty increase except shaboady and the straw hats were assumed defeated/dead. On top of that, the punishment for hitting a tenryubito was an admiral, which did happen. They didn't do anything to garner a bounty increase.

And luffys bounty increase to 400 happened after marineford before the time skip.

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@Count:

This is true. But the debate is about whether or not Morgans would be able to find out the news of Luffy defeating Cracker and Katakuri in a Yonko-ruled territories when those defeats occurred in public/private areas where he wasn't present.

All he specifically knows thus far is that the Straw Hats allied with the Firetank Pirates to try assassinating Big Mom and failed, and probably the Straw Hats being able to quell Big Mom's rampage. I don't really think those feats are enough to merit bounty increases this far into the series.

If that's all morgans knows then yea I can see your point, but you and I both know the destruction of the chateau is getting blamed on them (instead of stussy) plus the fact Morgan is a reporter, I'd assume he'd get the info about cracker and even snack. Such a tea party and 2/4 commanders not there would be fishy.

[Mastello]

Straw Hats aren't going to have their bounties raised until after Wano. Their current combined total amount is too delicious to be wasted like that. Right now it's 1,570,000,100 and we know Jinbe's bounty is over 400,000,000, making it pretty much given that his exact number is 430,000,000. Thus bringing the Straw Hats' total to 2,000,000,100 after this arc.

Similar to how Brook brought the total from 667,000,050 to 700,000,050 when he joined.

[Count Mario]

@garonne:

I think it would be rare to find someone who doesn't expect a bounty increase if/when kaido goes down son o qualms there. However every public display has garnered a bounty increase except shaboady and the straw hats were assumed defeated/dead. On top of that, the punishment for hitting a tenryubito was an admiral, which did happen. They didn't do anything to garner a bounty increase.

And luffys bounty increase to 400 happened after marineford before the time skip.

But Totland is Yonko territory though. Morgans is probably only going to get info about things he actually sees happen up-front. I don't really see a occasion or reason for somebody to tell him that Luffy defeated two Sweet Generals away from his awareness unless they are giving standard arc bystander hype talk/shock.

Something to also bring attention to with Wano is not just Kaido's inevitable defeat. It is that Wano Country will finally open up its borders for the rest of the world to interact with them. That is guaranteed to be big news, which will naturally make info about the Straw Hats defeating powerful Yonko crewmates to become relevant and acknowledged. It will probably be talked about during the final segment of the Reverie at the end of Wano Country's arc. Totland, however, is still going to remain in power after this arc ends. Big Mom can still cover up the events that happened here aside from the shenanigans with Germa 66 since that should go somewhere worldbuilding-wise if they are invited to the Reverie. The Straw Hats caused a ruckus in Totland, but at the end of the day, only a few of Big Mom's crewmates went down while the captain is still in power. That is different from the Straw Hats getting tangled up in a huge rebellion at Alabasta whete they beat up a major World Government ally, or invading Enies Lobby to rescue a world-renowned criminal while burning the flag, playing a part in the Marineford War and coming back to ring a bell, or deposing a king/Warlord at Dressrosa with lots of pirate allies, an Admiral, and the Revolutionaries present.

The Straw Hats still got an Admiral, not a bounty increase. Although you could say that because they were thought to be eliminated, that is why they didn't get bounty increases after Sabaody Archipelago.

I already talked about the 400 Million Beli bounty about how it was likely a way for Oda to have Luffy get a bounty fitting his post-timeskip strength status that is around the same level as Jimbei and Doflamingo. We only even found out about the bounty increase in the second Sabaody arc too, so it became synonymous with post-timeskip Luffy's rank as a pirate. It was a way to help cement Luffy's growth figuratively.

I don't see why the castle needs to get blamed on anybody. If anything, it only raises suspicions about Fishman Island. There is nothing to implicate anything bad about the World Government that needs to be covered up and blamed on a pirate like at Alabasta.

[garonne]

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[Count Mario]

@garonne:

If that's all morgans knows then yea I can see your point, but you and I both know the destruction of the chateau is getting blamed on them (instead of stussy) plus the fact Morgan is a reporter, I'd assume he'd get the info about cracker and even snack. Such a tea party and 2/4 commanders not there would be fishy.

He could easily assume they had more important areas to be spread out and stationed. Plenty of Big Mom Pirates like Pekoms and Tamago weren't there either.

And I don't see any need for them to do so. There is no reason for Stussy to blame that on the Straw Hats. If anything, it places Fishman Ialand in a suspicious light.

[Brainyz]

Increasing their bounties for sure makes sense in-universe, because the Strawhats didn't only oppose a Yonko on their territory (in front of everybody), they'll also come out of it alive.
But let's be honest here, that doesn't make much sense out-of-universe. And instead of talking about whether their bounties will change or not, let's think about the reasons that we'll be given to understand why they don't get a new bounty.
I mean, when we look at Dressrosa, it was the perfect opportunity for the World Government to hide all their mistakes (like keeping Doflamingo a Warlord) by giving all the credit to Fujitora, but then Oda stepped in, and in a surprising fashion, Fujitora broadcasted the aftermath to stop this.
So how will the World Government be successful this time? And what will push them to do that?
Also, remember how Luffy waited a week on Dressrosa after defeating Doflaminfo? Maybe Luffy leaves Totland immediately and somehow reaches Wano in less than a week, and also somehow, and that's a stretch, the Wano arc takes place in one single day similar to Dressrosa
Maybe Pudding wipes Morgans's memory out. Or maybe the government will be tricked into thinking that the Strawhats were captured. There is also the chance that Judge stops the bounty from rising this time. Or maybe Stussy brings in a buster call + an admiral to take out the remaining Big Mom pirates and claim the win for themselves. The possibilities are endless.
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[Long John Silvers Rayleigh]

@Robby:

I think given the timetable we won't be getting new bounties. They JUST got bounty increases after Dresserossa, which, in universe, was like a week ago. (And even in the real world was only about a year ago.) And in-universe, they're doing Wano in a couple days.

Post beating two emperors will probably be their final bounties for the series until the end, with Luffy getting to a billion, so I imagine it'll be saved until that point. And that way the milestone of "beating" an emporer isn't diminished by having sort of cheated through Big Mom like they're going to do.

Especially when for narrative purposes, we need Blackbeard and his crew to also be getting that same credibility at that point.
And that way Sanji and Chopper's first serious bounties can be a real bounty and pictures without ending their jokes.

Maybe chopper will get an increase but it's only 10 million or something still way too low. I dont think oda is aiming to once and for all show each member's fighting worth through final bounties

[Robby]

@garonne:

This happened in dressrosa…

They had some presence on Sabondy and it was clear they had all grown some over the course of two years. Anyone that didn't do anything at Dresserossa just got a blanket bump for "clearly they're stronger after 2 years but we have no idea how much."

There's been no similar "new data" to give a blanket bump to the missing members now so it'd be weird to only update half the crew at this point… especially when we as readers know they're going to have a major event just a week later.

[K. Kira XXIII]

Morgans was taking pictures as he fell. It all hinges on what story he writes. We know that he may have been coerced into changing his story about Stussy. Maybe not. But a small increase to the missing half of the crew is not out of the picture.They were given a bump in their bounties in a way that reflected an estimated growth after Dressrosa. The current bounties do not reflect at all the worth of the Straw Hats.

To the world, Luffy went in with half of his crew and wrecked Big Mom's most beloved, cut the head of your close ones if you do not come, tea party two weeks after he whooped Mango around in Dressrosa. An arc that the other half of the crew barely showed their improvements. Except Ussop.

Whatever happens, no one is getting a bounty higher than Ussop and Luffy is going to end this arc declaring he will be the pirate king. Morgans has quite the story to tell. Unless…Pudding. 3:

[GetsugaZoro]

I'm expecting new bounties after Wano not right now, I mean Stussy(I think that's the CP women name) saw what happened or part of it, but she will have to get back to her superiors before something is done about it and I expect that to happen after Wano, we will get a big jump for what happened with both Yonkou, the only thing I'm actually expecting is Jinbe actual bounty to be revealed.

[Count Mario]

@Koliber:

Sanji getting his bounty decreased due to Judge intervening as a sign of gratitude could be funny.

loooooool I would love to see that.

[Laffitte Doflamingo]

From Fishman Island to the end of Dressrosa was only a couple of days in the universe after all.
So, if Morgans' news spreads, or Stacy reports something to CP0 headquarter, then yeah, bounty change is expected.

[Shobu Yoruichi]

There's no need to increase bounties when Usopp is not around. How could mortals be more awesome than God? Impossible.

What for sure i would like to see is Lin Lin's bounty… to hype-up Kaidou a little bit.

[Count Mario]

Kaido and his Calamities would look more impressive if Linlin's bounty was kept secret until after this arc. At least, going by Oda's logic.

[Kaido King of the Beasts]

The only bounty that increases is Bege's bounty. He gets it raised all the way to 3 billion, proving Mangapanda's penultimate translation right all along

[Shobu Yoruichi]

@Count:

Kaido and his Calamities would look more impressive if Linlin's bounty was kept secret until after this arc. At least, going by Oda's logic.

What's the point of creating someone more impressive than a commander like Katakuri??

I already know, for facts, that he's stronger than Marco, Ace, Jozu, Thatch, Cracker, Jack and Smoothie.

For Kaido, the thing is that after its title, i can't give him credit, but for those below, it seems pointless.

[Count Mario]

@Shobu:

What's the point of creating someone more impressive than a commander like Katakuri??

I already know, for facts, that he's stronger than Marco, Ace, Jozu, Thatch, Cracker, Jack and Smoothie.

For Kaido, the thing is that after its title, i can't give him credit, but for those below, it seems pointless.

The point is that Kaido's crewmates are actually going to be fought at Wano Country while the Straw Hats will likely never fully fight the Big Mom Pirates.

It is not a fact that Katakuri is stronger than Marco, Jozu, or Jack.

Think about it like this. If Big Mom's bounty doesn't get revealed, than Kaido's Calamities in Wano Country get bounties revealed that are just as high or higher than Katakuri's. Meaning that they have the highest bounties introduced in the series. And on top of that, we eventually get Kaido's bounty. That allows the Beast Pirates to look like the most intimidating crew in the series, at least to casual readers.

[Shobu Yoruichi]

@Count:

The point is that Kaido's crewmates are actually going to be fought at Wano Country while the Straw Hats will likely never fully fight the Big Mom Pirates.

It is not a fact that Katakuri is stronger than Marco, Jozu, or Jack.

Think about it like this. If Big Mom's bounty doesn't get revealed, than Kaido's Calamities in Wano Country get bounties revealed that are just as high or higher than Katakuri's. Meaning that they have the highest bounties introduced in the series. And on top of that, we eventually get Kaido's bounty. That allows the Beast Pirates to look like the most intimidating crew in the series, at least to casual readers.

Well, Oda already stated that they need help to get into Wano. I, as reader, don't expect the crew to go at high names 1vs1, the only exception would be Zoro, but still i think that he will be taken by the samurais as aim in that arc.

Marco can fly and regenerate, Jozu can thrust, Jack the same as Jozu… Katakuri cannot be defeated by physical counterattacs, Marco can only put some battle, but what's a bird against a time reader?? Katakuri was first presented with ways to fight distanced from their opponents, to the degree of murdering them. Regenerate all what you want, it's stated too that he can do it forever.

I understand your point, bounties for me or you, are explictly to point that the man loves to trouble and the higher the amount, the better at doing it. Despite that, there have been to much unrespectful comments towards Big Mom, now it should be a good time to meddle and shut those comments with the highest amount ever showed.

[Koliber]

@Shobu:

Well, Oda already stated that they need help to get into Wano. I, as reader, don't expect the crew to go at high names 1vs1, the only exception would be Zoro, but still i think that he will be taken by the samurais as aim in that arc.

Marco can fly and regenerate, Jozu can thrust, Jack the same as Jozu… Katakuri cannot be defeated by physical counterattacs, Marco can only put some battle, but what's a bird against a time reader?? Katakuri was first presented with ways to fight distanced from their opponents, to the degree of murdering them. Regenerate all what you want, it's stated too that he can do it forever.

I understand your point, bounties for me or you, are explictly to point that the man loves to trouble and the higher the amount, the better at doing it. Despite that, there have been to much unrespectful comments towards Big Mom, now it should be a good time to meddle and shut those comments with the highest amount ever showed.

You don't get as high in OP's world by relying on your devil fruit alone it has been stated and proven numerous times. I can agree that Jack, due to his rash nature (and no shown creativity lik Luffy has shown) is a bad match for tricky opponents, but for Marco, well, just you wait for Wano arc when he'll get actual focus and one-on-one for the first time.

[Shift]

Chiming in here with the possibility that at the very least, Sanji's bounty will have to be changed from "Only Alive" to the standard DoA to reflect his unprotected status. Whether Judge will actively cancel that stipulation or not, I have no clue.

It'd also be interesting if Carrot somehow got a bounty just for tagging along with the Straw Hats. We'll see, I guess.

[uniaka ikuzakas]

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[uniaka ikuzakas]

I just want sanji to get bounty bigger then 320 after this arc, and zoro to get the newspaper with bounties before luffy gets to wano. his reaction should be good.

@Robby:

I think given the timetable we won't be getting new bounties. They JUST got bounty increases after Dresserossa, which, in universe, was like a week ago. (And even in the real world was only about a year ago.) And in-universe, they're doing Wano in a couple days.

Post beating two emperors will probably be their final bounties for the series until the end, with Luffy getting to a billion, so I imagine it'll be saved until that point. And that way the milestone of "beating" an emporer isn't diminished by having sort of cheated through Big Mom like they're going to do.

Especially when for narrative purposes, we need Blackbeard and his crew to also be getting that same credibility at that point.
And that way Sanji and Chopper's first serious bounties can be a real bounty and pictures without ending their jokes.

Luffy's final bount is more likely 3 billion, based on his first bounty. 1 billion is way too low, since each yonkous seems to have 3 underlings with 1 billion and even more not far from that(like perospero).

[Count Mario]

@uniaka:

Luffy's final bount is more likely 3 billion, based on his first bounty. 1 billion is way too low, since even 3 yonkous underlings have almost that.

But there is isn't really any point in the story where Luffy can get a higher bounty after defeating Kaido. It's not like Luffy is even going to become as powerful as Kaido at the end of Wano Country, he will still need help in that battle. The Final War involving Akainu and Blackbeard will be way too hectic for something as trivial as new bounties to get assigned by the World Government. And Oda would probably want the Straw Hats' bounties to be lower than those of the Blackbeard Pirates to play them up as the underdogs as usual. The only point where Luffy can reasonably get a bounty increase would be after accessing Raftel and getting One Piece, but the circumstances around that are a whole can of worms that are difficult to determine.

[uniaka ikuzakas]

@Count:

But there is isn't really any point in the story where Luffy can get a higher bounty after defeating Kaido. The Final War involving Akainu and Blackbeard will be way too hectic for something as trivial as new bounties to get assigned by the World Government. And Oda would probably want the Straw Hats' bounties to be lower than those of the Blackbeard Pirates to play them up as the underdogs as usual. The only point where Luffy can reasonably get a bounty increase would be after accessing Raftel and getting One Piece, but the circumstances around that are a whole can of worms that are difficult to determine.

Not gonna jump on the final war thing. If luffy becomes PK before final war, then it's clear he will have biggest bounty among everything pirates, you can't have PK with lower bounty then other pirate that will likely not even be yonkous anymore. If somehow oda spins it and one piece is like some car and you can just take it, and luffy will find nothing going to raftle, maybe then he won't become pk before final war. And he will still get PK bounty after final war.

In the case of BB, I do think he will have bigger hype then luffy when they have the battle, if it's at raftel or final war, not gonna jump on BB final war main villain bandwagon as some sure thing.

[Koliber]

After Wano, Luffy will have 3 out of 4 Road Poneglyphs, combine it with SHs crew being the only ones (according to public knowledge at least) capable of reading them, it alone shoud warrant him incredible boost in bounty. Add the fact that Grand Fleet openly uses his flag and as they wreak havoc in NW it will become public knowledge too. He also already started claiming territories. Along with Luffy (granted, with some help) taking down Kaido (and posibly him having commanders under his belt being known to WG), there's no way he wouldn't get Yonko-tier bounty after Wano. It might be smaller than Teach's but it shouldn't be too muc of a difference.

[Count Mario]

Everything you are saying is absolutely logical. But I can't see Oda resisting the chance to give Luffy a perfectly round 1 Billion bounty number that happens to be exactly double the bounty he has now, even if it is underwhelmingly lower than even Katakuri's bounty. But I would love to be surprised.

[K. Kira XXIII]

The Straw Hats wouldn't get a bounty increase after Wano if BB storms Wano after they are done and he takes credit for Kaido's defeat.

[Robby]

@K.:

The Straw Hats wouldn't get a bounty increase after Wano if BB storms Wano after they are done and he takes credit for Kaido's defeat.

It's going to be very clear and very public that Luffy is the one to beat Kaidou, there's no other way for the story to work.

Now, BB finishing a weakened Kaidou after its all said and done and stealing his devil fruit and escalating his threat level, that's different.

[uniaka ikuzakas]

I'm more inclined to think Blackbeard will storm dragon's arc and steal his fruit. Last thing as I see BB as is dragon. That way bb would control earthquakes, draknessgravity and wind/weather.

Moria needs his moment with kaidou at the end.

[K. Kira XXIII]

@Robby:

It's going to be very clear and very public that Luffy is the one to beat Kaidou, there's no other way for the story to work.

Now, BB finishing a weakened Kaidou after its all said and done and stealing his devil fruit and escalating his threat level, that's different.

That has been my idea for a while. Luffy does all the work and before they can start the party maybe Weevil shows up, but he gets upstaged by Blackbeard, I guess Weevil could also ally with Kaido so he fights the WB pirates during that fight. I am just not sure if Oda would go through with not liberating Wano at the end of the arc.

But if BB just finishes off Kaido for his fruit, and with the already isolated state of Wano, BB could get the credit for it.

[Long John Silvers Rayleigh]

@Shift:

Chiming in here with the possibility that at the very least, Sanji's bounty will have to be changed from "Only Alive" to the standard DoA to reflect his unprotected status. Whether Judge will actively cancel that stipulation or not, I have no clue.

It'd also be interesting if Carrot somehow got a bounty just for tagging along with the Straw Hats. We'll see, I guess.

Yeah I figured carrot may get her own bounty but not like a huge one and itd be funny if they used the wci sketch of a rabbit

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@Robby:

It's going to be very clear and very public that Luffy is the one to beat Kaidou, there's no other way for the story to work.

Now, BB finishing a weakened Kaidou after its all said and done and stealing his devil fruit and escalating his threat level, that's different.

That happening couldnt be right after luffy hits the final blow, it would need a decent amount of time between it say after they leave post arc

[Robby]

@uniaka:

I'm more inclined to think Blackbeard will storm dragon's arc and steal his fruit. Last thing as I see BB as is dragon. That way bb would control earthquakes, draknessgravity and wind/weather.

Moria needs his moment with kaidou at the end.

They've already raided the revolutionary headquarters and wrecked it. If they didn't get Dragon then they aren't going to.

[uniaka ikuzakas]

@Robby:

They've already raided the revolutionary headquarters and wrecked it. If they didn't get Dragon then they aren't going to.

They wanted the weapons, but since BB pirates are about hunting DFs, BB saw dragon-s fruit and wants it. Same way he didn-t get the wb pirates all fruits in the first go, but in the second or third go. And while BB pirates do good things off panel, that would have been way too much of a thing to wreck the entire revolutionaries force and leader off panel, this is some bb beating yonkou shanks type of event. Luffy meeting dragon first and get to know him, then after that BB killing him only makes luffy feel something about it and no just be like – Who was dragon again--.

And bb controling natural disasters and different elements fits better then eastern dragon bb wannabe kaidou that also shoots darkness/earthquake claws or punches.
At least the eastern theme dragon fits with kaidou, but not with Blackbeard. Blackbeard could only work wit hthe wester dragon version.

Heck, from zoans that fit Blackbeard, dragon is not even in the top 10. Rat, cerberus, pig are my first picks.

[garonne]

@Count:

I don't see why the castle needs to get blamed on anybody. If anything, it only raises suspicions about Fishman Island. There is nothing to implicate anything bad about the World Government that needs to be covered up and blamed on a pirate like at Alabasta.

this is all a speculation ofcourse, but a box owned by the fishman island blows up big moms chateau when the strawhats are there, when the captain of the fishman pirates leaves and goes to strawhats crew, when the same island raises luffy's flag (if they do) then it kinda puts the blame on luffy man.

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@Count:

But Totland is Yonko territory though. Morgans is probably only going to get info about things he actually sees happen up-front. I don't really see a occasion or reason for somebody to tell him that Luffy defeated two Sweet Generals away from his awareness unless they are giving standard arc bystander hype talk/shock.
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we know they have investigative reporting in one piece as we've seen it with absolom reporting on Kid's alliance when that was way more secretive than cracker being defeated infront of a whole country. so while im not saying morgans will definitely release news on luffy or that he'll say luffy defeated a commander, its not far'fetched he'd find out.

given that, if the news isn't released i dont expect a bounty at all; no public event, no bounty. If it does get released tho, it'd be weird if they didnt without a instory reason.