No, that's exactly what wasn't fine. It was lazy from the author and confusing for the reader.
Not lazy, there's only so many things you can cram into one chapter. We had the usual comedic moments that we get from that side of the crew and a nice shot of Sanji kicking sheep ass. You whiners need to explain what exactly you'd want to see for their reintroduction, a full on fight with top tier foes? I'm confused.
@Vadth:
If Kaido looks like 4 to 5 meters tall on the last page to you then I'm done. And we didn't see how he landed. Considering the difference in the size of the hole and the size of the reveal, plus he mention his head hurts, I doubt he landed flat.
The shape of the hole matches the outline of his flying body we've seen in this same chapter. He's not a giant. Well, he might be a mix but he's not bigger than Whitebeard, at least not much.
No, that's exactly what wasn't fine. It was lazy from the author and confusing for the reader.
It really wasn't confusing at all, but you are free to have your opinion.
Kaidou is at the very least 6-7meter tall, or will someone here try to argue that he isn't even towering above Kuma? Don't make yourself look that foolish.
@uniaka:
Part of the territory. The island Sunny team is now on should be Zou, and Kaido's people are there. There's also the animal theme of the island.
Plot wise, they could have to take down one of Kaido's commander that is in charge of the country and get the yonkou's attention, I guess.
We have no idea which island it is, but it could easilly not be Zou, considering SH might have taken a detour while running away and doing whatever the hell they did during the past day.
That part aside, I don't see much sense in Law leaving his crew on an island that belongs to a guy he was plotting to take down, or Samurai running away from Kaido to get to Kaido's own island.
Zou seems to be some kind of a safe harbour, or a base of someone benevolent or influential enough to be left alone by most pirates. Law felt safe with leaving his crew there and Samurai went there expecting help for their troubles, which most likely involve Kaido.
Why though?
It doesn't detract from the impressiveness of their achievment, and the lack of information about their current predicament makes things far more interesting
I really enjoyed their return and can't wait to find out more about what's happening to them
You still don't get it… While I would have loved to see Big mom counter attack I'm ok with it cuz I know it will be shown later. I like that they are to their next adventure with the next Yonkou after them. So actually like you
But again... Kaidous introductions was amazing and if people would have read the first pages they would know I actually enjoyed the chapter cuz of Kaidou.
The only small thing I have said is... I expected the very first chapter since December 9 2013 to be more focused on the Swirlystraws... But instead they have been overshadowed by the introduction of amazing Kaidou.
Does it make th chapter bad. No it doesn't. But feel free that everyone who found the comeback bland being an unhappy fanboy as 2 other shotheada here around... Ok.
If not try to understand the point as I understand your pint of view and don't start to change it.
First time we see Brook and Nami after almost 2 years, what we see? them running away as always , how surprising and exciting.
You still don't get it… While I would have loved to see Big mom counter attack I'm ok with it cuz I know it will be shown later. I like that they are to their next adventure with the next Yonkou after them. So actually like you
But again... Kaidous introductions was amazing and if people would have read the first pages they would know I actually enjoyed the chapter cuz of Kaidou.
The only small thing I have said is... I expected the very first chapter since December 9 2013 to be more focused on the Swirlystraws... But instead they have been overshadowed by the introduction of amazing Kaidou.
Does it make th chapter bad. No it doesn't. But feel free that everyone who found the comeback bland being an unhappy fanboy as 2 other shotheada here around... Ok.
If not try to understand the point as I understand your pint of view and don't start to change it.
Don't worry, bro, I get it.
I don't care about it as much as you do, but I get it. It's hard to compete with one of the most hyped characters in OP for last 8 years, especially when your track record after time skip has been rather bland. Swirlies really need some love.
But feel free that everyone who found the comeback bland being an unhappy fanboy as 2 other shotheada here around… Ok.
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You are sad, okay. No need to reply to each and everyone not having your opinion, they won't be convinced anyway. :P There is no point to reiterate your argument so many times right? Not when they fall on deaf ears.
@Vadth:
If Kaido looks like 4 to 5 meters tall on the last page to you then I'm done. And we didn't see how he landed. Considering the difference in the size of the hole and the size of the reveal, plus he mention his head hurts, I doubt he landed flat.
Kaido is roughly 10meters tall, if the last page is anything to go by then he is at least 5 times taller than Kid, who is 205 cm and 6ft"9 times that by 5 and you get roughly 1000cm, which is Exactly 10 meters which roughly converts to 32 feet, which is about ten feet taller than Moriah.
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Don't worry, bro, I get it.
I don't care about it as much as you do, but I get it. It's hard to compete with one of the most hyped characters in OP for last 8 years, especially when your track record after time skip has been rather bland. Swirlies really need some love.
Not only swirlies… And this ever since Punk Hazard. Franky and Usopp maybe got some love (while I despite both fights) but it doesn't stand out to other side characters ... As Bartolomeo
Maybe the next arc.... But sadly we probably will stick with Law and his hang for some time and maybe the other alliance will take even more spotlight away.
Wano actually screams Zoro as well
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You are sad, okay. No need to reply to each and everyone not having your opinion, they won't be convinced anyway. :P There is no point to reiterate your argument so many times right? Not when they fall on deaf ears.
Well sad… Lol no. Annoyed that you aren't allowed to make criticsm without having pu words in your mouth or as in Dressrosa "please understand".
But well you are right. Will stop now. It's time for my Thai Curry <3
Not only swirlies… And this ever since Punk Hazard. Franky and Usopp maybe got some love (while I despite both fights) but it doesn't stand out to other side characters … As Bartolomeo
Because so far they've been fighting weak ass opponents that they've dealt with fairly easily, things usually stand out when there's a struggle and they have to give the fight that extra bit by digging deep, so far no one's really tested them. Which makes sense because in OP world it's not even been a week yet so if they were tested this "early" on then how would they dare to face what lies ahead? Got to look at the bigger picture. Personally, I'm enjoying watching them steamroll everything that comes their way because I know that is not going to happen when the big players get involved. It's all down to how patient you can be really. With a nearly 800 chapter manga if you haven't learned to be patient then there's no hope for you, that or you joined One Piece late and marathoned everything to catch up and aren't conditioned right.
P.S. Stop loathing in self-pity just because people are criticising your opinions, you've built up a track record of whining every single chapter as of late and though you're more than welcome to you shouldn't feel "annoyed" when people shut you down, rather you should be used to it by now, you get it every week, do you equally feel annoyed every week too? (I'm curious)
Kaido is roughly 10meters tall, if the last page is anything to go by then he is at least 5 times taller than Kid, who is 205 cm and 6ft"9 times that by 5 and you get roughly 1000cm, which is Exactly 10 meters which roughly converts to 32 feet, which is about ten feet taller than Moriah.
I hope you took note of the distance betveen Supernova and Kaido when making those calculations.
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When this Foxgirl is ANOTHER Princess in adversity, with a "tragic Past" and a kinda Cry compulsion neurosis, Ill be really disappointed. Please, Oda, Wa no Kuni doesnt need something like this.
Sometimes Kishido can be a tsundere. Actually most of the time. I've never seen anyone else complain so much about Sanji. Love is a strange thing.
Personally I'm glad with the come back. Mostly because it was a lot of fun. There was hardly any trace of comedy in the climax and the resolution of Dressrosa (790-794).
@uniaka:
This is wierd, KHA will get defeated, likely easy, before they get to show how much they got stronger in 2 years?
it's also possibkle that kaidou will just go away..it's not like he went there for them
I'm starting to have a problem with villain hights in OP. Give us normal looking villain for once gosh.
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Interesting chapter overall. After getting past the initial hype of the Kaido reveal, I feel there might be some subtle clues as to how the series is going to progress from here on out. Bad news for many of you, this chapter seems keen on showing that we won't be getting "breather" arcs anymore, and best we can hope is breather chapters, such as the Sabo chapter between this chapter and the world reaction chapter.
My first reasoning is with what we saw with Fujitora this chapter. He is indeed ready to capture Luffy and Law, that much was made certain. The gambling could partly be a quirk, but it was probably there to show his gratitude to Luffy, which allowed his plan to go off without much problem. That said, Fujitora will be going after him from this time forward, as he needs to be in good graces if he wishes to attend Reverie and finish what he started. I have some other theories and predictions about some of his actions going forward, but that's another topic. Main point here is that Luffy and Law will always have to have their guard up as an admiral is after them. Ultimately that will mean they will not have the luxury after this arc to just sit around and relax. Add in the fact that now Kaido and Big Mom are personally going against the crew, they have three big powers to avoid.
Then we have the reintroduction of Sanji's group after all this time. Instead of getting past Big Moms crew and meeting up with Laws crew, they got into a fight with part of Kaidos crew. Not only that, they are on a island with a crazy volcano or something, and there is a lot going on. They got out of the oven and into the frying pan with no time to rest. Having Ceasar already puts a target on their back for Big Mom, and now fighting directly with Kaidos crew is going to have them shift their focus to Sanji's crew. Add in the fact that the various crews occupy many of the islands, the crew is going to have a hard time going to an island where they won't have to be fighting resistance.
Lastly is the words Kaido spoke at the end. He talked about how he was going to have a war of the century (or whatever the actual translation is). Consider the fact that he's been able to survive the Marines and other Yonko many times, it's going to have to be something big if he hopes to go out in a blaze of glory bigger than White Beard. Having crashed into the KHA alliance base, it shows that the idea of each crew going after individual Yonko is out the window. If things go the way I think it's being set up, the New World is going to become even more turbulent than before, as soon all the Yonko crews will be clashing at each other, with the Marines using that opportunity to make a huge dent, which then the Revolutionaries will spring into action. If all powers are going to go into a constant war, there is no possible way for any type of breather arc.
Personally, I think it would be cool for the already crazy sea of the New World to get even crazier because of all this stuff. The fact that Kaido was revealed already feels like Oda is showing that the New World is truly starting, and things are going to be crazier. Perhaps I'm looking too much into this stuff, but I feel this chapter is telling us what to expect from now on. It seems to make sense that the only kind of war to surpass White Beard and possibly guarantee a noble death would be to challenge the whole world at one time. Time will tell.
I hope you took note of the distance betveen Supernova and Kaido when making those calculations.
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If the distance is more between them then he is even taller which I kind of accounted for since they're also looking up to him slightly, so instead of four times taller, which is actually the case based on the image and scaling, I made it five times. But if that distance is not that close then yeah he's way more taller than anticipated and that's frightening lol.
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If the distance is more between them then he is even taller which I kind of accounted for since they're also looking up to him slightly, so instead of four times taller, which is actually the case based on the image and scaling, I made it five times. But if that distance is not that close then yeah he's way more taller than anticipated and that's frightening lol.
Well that hole he made falling flat face in relation to people around him tells us all we need to know about his size.
If Oda created Kaido as some giant, the damn hole would have been a lot bigger, don't you think?
Variations are possible, since Oda doesn't care much about size consistency, but those aren't really that big.
Sky island wasn't floating because of the balloons. It's an island and the balloons got stuck up there after little kids lose them.
I like the way you think
Mangapanda's translation is so shitty this week that it implies that Whitebeard was defeated by Doflamingo, so Kaido will have to fight him by himself.
No, that's exactly what wasn't fine. It was lazy from the author and confusing for the reader.
It was intentionally supposed to make us wonder what was going on.
Just a few things I liked about this chapter.
No, that's exactly what wasn't fine. It was lazy from the author and confusing for the reader.
Less is always more in comic-book medium . Oda could go back and show us the flashback or you simply have to put together the pieces of info that Oda dropped in this chapter .
That's not how bounties are generated. The Marines hadn't personally witnessed any of the Strawhat's battles before they got their bounties. They only gained intel on the actions they committed. There's no need for him to "grow" atm either since he just got finished training for 2 years.
General threat level is also part of it. Which this shows. Part 1 Zoro had barely over 100 mil. Taking down Pica is a great enough feat for at least some sort of increase as he has been shown by everyone present to be a high enough level threat to merge with the very ground and walls around them and become a giant version of himself. Regardless of how much they witnessed..knowing Zoro beat him is enough.
How strong one competitor is in comparison to his opponent has nothing to do with how good/bad something was presented. It wasn't that the fight was "awful", it was just you creating your own disappointment by wanting to see him go all out for some reason.
Manga is supposed to be entertainment. An anticlimactic and easy battle would dissappoint anyone. I never said it was present one way or the other, just that he hasn't been truly able to shine. We haven't seen any new moves and nowhere near his full strength.
Regardless of how much they witnessed..knowing Zoro beat him is enough.
That's basically what I said.
Manga is supposed to be entertainment. An anticlimactic and easy battle would dissappoint anyone. I never said it was present one way or the other, just that he hasn't been truly able to shine. We haven't seen any new moves and nowhere near his full strength.
Anticlimax is subjective. As you already explained, your disappointment steams from the fact that you didn't see Zoro use his full strength. The battle wasn't "easy". There were obstacles that needed to be overcome. The ending was what anyone would expect, flashy and large scale with some sense of danger mixed in. That's all you would need for a conclusion that could be considered satisfying.
I wonder where these horns come from.
Kaido and his men have horns, Moria has horns, Oars had horns…
I wonder where these horns come from.
Kaido and his men have horns, Moria has horns, Oars had horns…
Ceasar has horns.. Although I can't recall if they were present back ehen he worked for the government. Also I think a couple of the main staff in Impel Down.
The only small thing I have said is… I expected the very first chapter since December 9 2013 to be more focused on the Swirlystraws... But instead they have been overshadowed by the introduction of amazing Kaidou.
If not try to understand the point as I understand your pint of view and don't start to change it.
fair enough. sorry if i came off as a twat
if it's any consolation i expect the kah alliance to suffer their crushing defeat off panel. we don't need to see some secondary characters getting their asses kicked in minute detail
fair enough. sorry if i came off as a twat
if it's any consolation i expect the kah alliance to suffer their crushing defeat off panel. we don't need to see some secondary characters getting their asses kicked in minute detail
After all that focus they've been getting, that's pretty much impossible.
Well that hole he made falling flat face in relation to people around him tells us all we need to know about his size.
If Oda created Kaido as some giant, the damn hole would have been a lot bigger, don't you think?
Variations are possible, since Oda doesn't care much about size consistency, but those aren't really that big.
When you fall from that high there's no guarantee you will land in a way that marks out your entire body on the ground where the impact took place. So even that hole he created is a rough outline of him, no way his legs are that short haha
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When you fall from that high there's no guarantee you will land in a way that marks out your entire body on the ground where the impact took place. So even that hole he created is a rough outline of him, no way his legs are that short haha
Somebody did say it was in the shape of a person, though.
I'm gonna post about this chapter for first time so…
kaido was a great surprise I wonder if anyone could predict that
Is kha vs shanks cancelled ?
I hope anime of this part be great
Is there any chapter coming next week ?
ps have counted namedpeople died in op (not including flashback)it is four people as I see (nero oars ace
whitebeard ) is there any disscusion related to this ?so I can find how many people have really died
Is kha vs shanks cancelled ?
Nah, if anything Kaido can convince them they picked the right target. Hawking doing his cards thing to see their shots at a win then them notice Kaido is immortal too.
I'm gonna post about this chapter for first time so…
kaido was a great surprise I wonder if anyone could predict that
Is kha vs shanks cancelled ?
I hope anime of this part be great
Is there any chapter coming next week ?ps have counted namedpeople died in op (not including flashback)it is four people as I see (nero oars ace
whitebeard ) is there any disscusion related to this ?so I can find how many people have really died
I hate to say it but I think Oars III is limping around on a massive Adam Tree peg leg and Nero is just off on his own now. Assumed death in One Piece generally just means no death at all. I feel certain we will get clarification on Oars' family and how government scientists made them so big. As for Nero, only thing I know is he isn't dead.
Oda gives this alliance a lot of spotlight and then introduced the vs. Shanks plot point and… they get defeated by an Emperor before doing anything of worth.
It would be quite anti-climactic.
It'd be a total Oda move. If Luffy and Law could barely take out Joker, then how will they compare against his Boss?
Post defeat theyd have a reason to team up with the Strawhats against Kaido.
When you fall from that high there's no guarantee you will land in a way that marks out your entire body on the ground where the impact took place. So even that hole he created is a rough outline of him, no way his legs are that short haha
It has the same shape as his flying shadow seen couple of pages back.
It's not like there weren't any big guys with small legs in OP. Even Luffy's G4 looks like someone who's been skipping leg day fanatically.
I bet one of the ancient weapons could kill him, he needs to find one and try it out
There are people who think that Kaidou will go after Shirahoshi, because Caribou was captured by X Drake…. and presumbly Kaidou will hear about Shirahoshi from Caribou because of this. And Shirahoshi is Poseidon.....
I do like this chapter. I do. Miss the big celebration they do with the locals after a big victory. Guess we won't have that in this particular Arc.
After all that focus they've been getting, that's pretty much impossible.
focus?
i may be misremembering but all i remember of them is a few snippets here and there. still, i don't think we need to see anything of them beyond their lifeless bodies post-kaido
i'd much rather we see the strawhats farewells
i don't even want to see sanji and co at this point. i'd much rather the remaining strawhats stumbled on Sanji and co mid-adventure and the story go from there
It'd be a total Oda move. If Luffy and Law could barely take out Joker, then how will they compare against his Boss?
You don't really seem to know what an Oda move is.
Chances are that Kid, Apoo and Hawkins will be able to defend themselves from Kaido if they do fight, but won't be able to deal out damage thanks to his immortality. That way, no one get unhyped as the KHA alliance manages to show that they can do something against an Emperor (thus gaining some credibility against Shanks) while Kaido showcases more of his supposed immortality.
focus?
i may be misremembering but all i remember of them is a few snippets here and there. still, i don't think we need to see anything of them beyond their lifeless bodies post-kaido
i'd much rather we see the strawhats farewells
i don't even want to see sanji and co at this point. i'd much rather the remaining strawhats stumbled on Sanji and co mid-adventure and the story go from there
Oda interrupted Punk Hazard just to show their alliance being formed. They also had the most prominent reactions after Punk Hazard and Dressrosa, with their plot being the most focused out of all the ones happening around the world.
Also, let's not forget that Kid stands on equal grounds to both Law and Luffy pre-timeskip as well as several artworks (the alliance was even featured in a volume cover despite not really doing anything at the time). If Law and Luffy are able to succeed like this, Shonen logic dictates Kid will as well.
Oda interrupted Punk Hazard just to show their alliance being formed. They also had the most prominent reactions after Punk Hazard and Dressrosa, with their plot being the most focused out of all the ones happening around the world.
Also, let's not forget that Kid stands on equal grounds to both Law and Luffy pre-timeskip as well as several artworks (the alliance was even featured in a volume cover despite not really doing anything at the time). If Law and Luffy are able to succeed like this, Shonen logic dictates Kid will as well.
There's degrees of success though. Luffy beat a pretty dangerous shichibukai quite decisively. The KAH is facing the strongest creature in the world
I'm the opinion that the KAH alliance was set up solely to fail and (as of the last chapter) hype up kaido/yonkou. I expect Kaido to fucking destroy them and their entire crews rendering them incapable of ever facing a yonkou again
i'm of the opinion that any prominence they have been given (which isn't much) was solely due to their eventual fate. being jobbed by kaido
Imagine the next headlines.
Kaido wipes out KHA alliance (if it happens)
What would law and Luffy think?
There's degrees of success though. Luffy beat a pretty dangerous shichibukai quite decisively. The KAH is facing the strongest creature in the world
I'm the opinion that the KAH alliance was set up solely to fail and (as of the last chapter) hype up kaido/yonkou. I expect Kaido to fucking destroy them and their entire crews rendering them incapable of ever facing a yonkou again
i'm of the opinion that any prominence they have been given (which isn't much) was solely due to their eventual fate. being jobbed by kaido
This really doesn't make sense because they have done nothing yet, so there's no point in using them as a gauge.
Not to mention that Oda just introduced the Shanks plot point 2 chapters ago. What would be the point of doing that if they are unable to do anything against an Emperor 2-3 chapters later? Why bring up Shanks then?
The KHA alliance featured in a volume cover, in Law's new age speech about the new overtaking the old, in both post-arcs and several artworks such as this one that shows everybody important so far (such as every Emperor, Doflamingo, Jinbe and Akainu).
Now, with all this stuff being laid out, what makes you think Oda will just offscreen them? Right now, your argument so far is insane as it pretty much is about Oda destroying pretty much what he's been building up so far.
So we thought Big Mom would be the first target, then Luffy teams with Law to take on Kaido,
KHA Alliance reveals their target is Shanks, then Kaido shows up.
Oda does love to toy with us eh?
Gedatsu survived a fall from a Sky Island too. Just sayin'.
I wonder if Oda will ever reveal who put that scar on Kaido on the right side of his abdomen.That scar looks bigger than some people aha
@The:
Pretty good analysis
The fact that Kaidos and Big Moms troops and the Marines are after the Strawhats could be an advantage. They could always get on each others throat, so the Strawhats can get away. And the amount of allies Luffy gathered in Dressrosa will also help in the future. Crazy shit will happen, but it won't get that hard I think. Just entertaining.
My understanding of Kaido's introduccion:
He's an incredibly strong and durable person, and because of that even when he's captured he can avoid death. He's not avoiding death by luck. The thing is, if there is no luck involved he must not have a fruit. He seems to have all his limbs, so there's no way he'd escape from seastone shackles. He also wouldn't be able to sink a ship and escape by himself. And if it's his crew saving him all the time, his thing wouldn't be "the unkillable" but "the commander of the best pirate fleet".
And then about the suicide, and continuing with him being extremely durable, I don't think he actually wants to die, but he want's to test his limits, againts other people, events or forces of nature. If his objective was dying he could drown or starve himself.
Wash your hands.
My understanding of Kaido's introduccion:
He's an incredibly strong and durable person, and because of that even when he's captured he can avoid death. He's not avoiding death by luck. The thing is, if there is no luck involved he must not have a fruit. He seems to have all his limbs, so there's no way he'd escape from seastone shackles. He also wouldn't be able to sink a ship and escape by himself. And if it's his crew saving him all the time, his thing wouldn't be "the unkillable" but "the commander of the best pirate fleet".
And then about the suicide, and continuing with him being extremely durable, I don't think he actually wants to die, but he want's to test his limits, againts other people, events or forces of nature. If his objective was dying he could drown or starve himself.
Nice points.
His body might be disgustingly powerful and can survive your usual death strategies like skewering and guillotines.
He really sounds like a medieval monster, sort of like the " Dragon" people tried to slay.
