@Darth:
Because most fall into either of those two categories, sorry to say. When I see arguments that I value, I say so. And, mind you, I agree with people who argue well.
That isn't actually true. Unless you are speaking of different logic than one I've been taught.
Well….yeah. I guess I am. I mean, I usually follow these arguments, because a lot of the posters responding to you, to me, write out really well-articulated, well-thought out arguments that are fun to read. And when I read them, I often go "Yeah, that makes sense, they are really right about that". So, yeah, I guess we just have different ideas of what a logical thought process is? Which is a litte weird, since logic shouldn`t really be subjective...
But the thought is very clearly present in almost everyone I have ever argued with.
Honestly, it looks to me more that you, instead of thinking about the other sides points, just reduce their opinions to "Oh, they just like everything Oda does, they just arent able to think critically like I am" which is both pretty presumptuous and just a little simple-minded. I´ve read perfectly valid counterpoints towards you that didn`t just consist of "Lol yeah, but who cares, Oda = GOD, rofl".
I would not say that. I would say however that any opinion different from established canon of fandom is met with scorn, regardless of it's validity. I'm hardly the only one to experience it.
And that would be pretty wrong of you? The story gets criticised quite a lot here actually. I mean, would you say there wasnt any valid criticisms uttered by other posters during the Fishman island arc? Or during the Punk hazard arc? Or towards particular characters? Like, Law for example? Not everyone is always satisfied with the story, because duh, Oda is not perfect. He is a pretty strong storyteller though, who does manage to captivate and surprise his audience even after all these years, and who always carefully plans and includes little details or characters that become important later on. And I do respect him for that and give him the benefit of the doubt when he does something I dislike. And Dressrosa, for me, and I think for a lot of others aswell, just has been a great read so far. Dont get me wrong, you do offer valid criticism from time to time. I totally agreed with you about Fujitoras fishy motives not being Odas best writing so far. But guess what, if you complain in each and every chapter thread, even when you first say you liked a chapter (and that has happened a few times), you can`t really blame anyone for thinking that maybe, just maybe, you just like being negative and to complain, even when the story is perfectly fine.
It's not, actually. See, it has been shown very clearly, that he has no idea what real live entails. And for that matter, he did not work one day of his life thus far, if any other Celestial Dragons and their history are anything to go by, has been given everything he ever needed. Does he have skills to take a job upon himself? Does he posses ability to actually work in a profession that would allow him to support a family of four. Occam's Razor, we can assume he does not.
And their income is not even the biggest problem.
Well, yeah? His biggest problem was being unrealistic and idealistic. Maybe he wouldnt have had the skills to perform a normal job. Doesnt mean that he didnt intend to do that. I mean, it was outright stated that he wanted to live like the common man, which entails working for your living. To assume that he was so sheltered that he didnt even know that normal people had to work for a living is really not Occams razor, even if you say so, its really quite a big assumption. You say that it has been shown quite clearly that he had no idea what real live entails, but how has that been shown? Of course, he didnt think about normal peoples hatred for the Tenryubito, but we didnt see any scenes of culture shock for him, where he just didnt know how to live in the normal world. Doffy was the only one shown having problems with that.
Again I ask: Why did he waited until damage was partialy done? He had specificaly delayed his leave until Doffy already has tasted said acts. If this was truly his motivation, then he had failed.
He faces accusation that he was always different, yet his sons fits perfectly into Celestial Dragons standarts.
Uhh, because he hadn`t thought of that yet?? We saw him making the decision in this chapter, there is no reason to think that he planned on doing that for years. Hey, here is a thought: Maybe Doffy slowly turning into a little shithead also influenced his decision? Maybe he saw how his kid were turning out and that convinced him to do something about that. Assumptions, of course, but it would make sense.
See, and that's why I say you are not logical. You are coming here, and you give a logical absolute: Every Celestial Dragon turns into despicable human being. And here is a thing: You are making this logical absolute false in the very same paragraph, by saying that Homing was intending for his kids to be morally upstanding. Than, by extension, he must have been morally upstanding. And by extension of that, morally upstanding Celestial Dragon can exist, and him taking his childs away served no purpoes.
And again, Occam's Razor tells that it is more possbile for Homing's father to be morally despicable than not. Thus, we can assume it is possible for Celestial Dragon to develop morality on their own accord. Yet more reasons as to why Homing did not needed to leave solely to teach his kids morality.
Lol, yeah, and you give a logical absolute aswell: because there exist two decent Tenryubitos, it means that growing up to be a decent Tenryubito is really easy. Then why arent there more decent Tenryubitos?? It was even stated in this chapter, that they are an exception to the rule, they are different from the rest. And you said it yourself, Doffy was already turning into a normal, despicable Tenryubito, despite having morally decent parents. Doffys behaviour is pretty much prove how toxic this environment and this status of life can be, and how hard it would have been to escape that environment without actually moving somewhere. I dont know how or why Homing and his wife became morally upstanding, but it is clear as day that you normally dont become like this if you are living the Tenryubito lifestyle. So, stating that there was no purpose in moving away is a huge leap in logic.
It works well within the story, but don't ask of me to like the guy.
Oh, I dont. There are plenty of reasons to agree and disagree with his actions. Its just a pretty interesting and complex subject of discussion.
I want my Marine spinoff first. :ninja: But yes, they are fun.
Oh, yeah. That part was more adressed at everyone, though
Brilliant. Law being D was quite unexpected, and this chapter makes me want Law to take over Doflamingo's crew if Doffy is thrown in jail. Flashbacks as usual are quite amazing. Really enjoying the interactions of a Supernova/Shichibukai with another Shichibukai.
