I think Doffy will go down before One Piece ends :)
His introduction(hint of his powers, declaration of his ideology,etc.,) was brought up along with Blackbeard's. Oda's been implying this guy's a legitimate pezzonovante and he won't be knocking him off within 40-60 chapters like Caesar or Moriah were.
Diamante's more suited for the primary antagonist role of the Dressrosa arc. Dofla will be knocked off some other time.
Dofalmingo's strong but Luffy and Zoro are probably stronger now. Luffy's been beating Shichibukais before the time sklip with just perseverance, determination and luck. Now that he's a strong haki user, he will make Doflamingo look not that strong anymore. The only person that will not be defeated in Dressrosa is Fujitora.
I think PH is similar to Whikey Peak/Little garden , it was the little(not so little) arc before the big great arc which is dressrosa , and hey , luffy defeated crocodile ( who would think that ? ) , and defeated lucci ( a big monster that nobody can defeat ( " the ninja smile " ) ) , so why not this time he defeats doflamingo ?
And I dont know what role will have fuji here..
Dofalmingo's strong but Luffy and Zoro are probably stronger now. Luffy's been beating Shichibukais before the time sklip with just perseverance, determination and luck. Now that he's a strong haki user, he will make Doflamingo look not that strong anymore. The only person that will not be defeated in Dressrosa is Fujitora.
I think you're forgetting the bits where Doflamingo walked all over Smoker, didn't really balk when faced with Kuzan, and doesn't seem to be having any trouble with Law.
Doflamingo is going down this arc, there are still other people such as BB and affiliates , Big Mom and affiliates , Kaido and affiliates ( Doffy is basically one his underlings) , the 7th shichibukai and the level 6 prisoners and whatever new character who will be introduced …..
Why should we stay stucked with doflamingo just because some people don't want him to fall now?
What about the person BEHIND Doflamingo , the one he is connected with within the WG ? Doffy has to fall for things to move.
Doflamingo is going down this arc, there are still other people such as BB and affiliates , Big Mom and affiliates , Kaido and affiliates ( Doffy is basically one his underlings) , the 7th shichibukai and the level 6 prisoners and whatever new character who will be introduced …..
Why should we stay stucked with doflamingo just because some people don't want him to fall now?
What about the person BEHIND Doflamingo , the one he is connected with within the WG ? Doffy has to fall for things to move.
Dofla group and business surely will fall in this arc, but if we consider his close connection to WG (having CP-0 to personally settle Dofla's matter), how WG see his business and his underground connection, WG might think that he's "too big to fail". Therefore, depends on how WG can play their part in this arc, Dofla might have a chance latter in the story.
I think you're forgetting the bits where Doflamingo walked all over Smoker, didn't really balk when faced with Kuzan, and doesn't seem to be having any trouble with Law.
Doflamingo walked all over a beat up Smoker, besides I doubt Smoker's even close to Luffy's level now. Now regarding Law, he's just buying time against an admiral and Joker and is actually doing good not getting captured. Doflamingo chickened out against Kuzan. Luffy showed some high level haki shit against Chinjao and I doubt anyone in Dressrosa has that kind of high level haki, and that includes Dolfa.
Doflamingo walked all over a beat up Smoker, besides I doubt Smoker's even close to Luffy's level now. Now regarding Law, he's just buying time against an admiral and Joker and is actually doing good not getting captured. Doflamingo chickened out against Kuzan. Luffy showed some high level haki shit against Chinjao and I doubt anyone in Dressrosa has that kind of high level haki, and that includes Dolfa.
So you're saying in essence that when we finally have an excellent showcase for the Strawhats to show their post-time skip gains being pushed to the limit, Oda's going to blue ball us further for absolutely no reason. And in the process turn a character he's kept in reserve for almost a decade into just another Hody.
This is not a thing that is going to happened.
Doflamingo walked all over a beat up Smoker, besides I doubt Smoker's even close to Luffy's level now. Now regarding Law, he's just buying time against an admiral and Joker and is actually doing good not getting captured. Doflamingo chickened out against Kuzan. Luffy showed some high level haki shit against Chinjao and I doubt anyone in Dressrosa has that kind of high level haki, and that includes Dolfa.
Doflamingo walked all over a fine Smoker, Law is getting his ass kicked, Doflamingo had better things to do than fight with Aokiji for 5 straight days, Luffy's haki sure is strong but Zoro's Armament haki is stronger and Sanji's Observation too and I'm no even considering the level of haki that the three seats nor Fujitora posses since we haven't seen them in action yet
@Monkey:
So you're saying in essence that when we finally have an excellent showcase for the Strawhats to show their post-time skip gains being pushed to the limit, Oda's going to blue ball us further for absolutely no reason. And in the process turn a character he's kept in reserve for almost a decade into just another Hody.
This is not a thing that is going to happened.
Dude you need to seriously stop with this shit, of course every character Luffy will face will end up like Hody(defeated Hody, not aged Hody), even Blackbeard will end up like this Hody..
You sound like its written in stone or something, like Doflamingo won't ever get defeated, it doesn't matter if he's been built up for decades he will get defeated this arc or next arc or next next arc whatever arc it is' it will still be Luffy defeating this guy that has been built up for a decade.
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Doflamingo walked all over a fine Smoker, Law is getting his ass kicked, Doflamingo had better things to do than fight with Aokiji for 5 straight days, Luffy's haki sure is strong but Zoro's Armament haki is stronger and Sanji's Observation too and I'm no even considering the level of haki that the three seats nor Fujitora posses since we haven't seen them in action yet
Wrong wrong wrong, everything you just typed is full of bullshit you made up..
Smoker was never full strength, Law is getting his kicked by an admiral n shichibukia, and HOW DA HELL DO YOU KNOW ZORO COA HAKI AND SANJI COO HAKI IS BETTER THAN LUFFYS?????????? WTF
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Dude you need to seriously stop with this shit, of course every character Luffy will face will end up like Hody(defeated Hody, not aged Hody), even Blackbeard will end up like this Hody..
What are you talking about lol.
Hody was completely outclassed by Luffy, in fact every one of the New Fishman Pirates was basically just trampled by the Strawhats, especially Hyozou (relative to his hype). The same happened in the next arc with Ceasar and Monet.
I'm saying that Doflamingo and his crew will actually give the Strawhts a fight. Forcing them to show their limits to some degree. No idea how that flew over your head.
Crocodile was defeated, Lucci was defeated, Moria was defeated, Ener was defeated. These guys all however gave incredible fights.
The New Fishmen?? loll
Zoro fucking beat base Hody UNDERWATER lolll
Wrong wrong wrong, everything you just typed is full of bullshit you made up..
Smoker was never full strength, Law is getting his kicked by an admiral n shichibukia, and HOW DA HELL DO YOU KNOW ZORO COA HAKI AND SANJI COO HAKI IS BETTER THAN LUFFYS?????????? WTF
RIGHT,RIGHT,RIGHT and here is why
Smoker ate Sanji's food which it gives you back your own strength
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Law still getting his ass kicked or did you read a page that I missed or something because what I've seen is a bleeding Law in every single panel that Oda have shown his fight, being fair or not he's getting his ass kicked.
Haki comment was said by Oda himself, Sanji specialize in Observation Haki, Zoro in Armament Haki and Luffy in Kings Haki, this information in this forum but I don't remember in which thread it is
^ It's from SBS ….
@Monkey:
What are you talking about lol.
Hody was completely outclassed by Luffy, in fact every one of the New Fishman Pirates was basically just trampled by the Strawhats, especially Hyozou (relative to his hype). The same happened in the next arc with Ceasar and Monet.I'm saying that Doflamingo and his crew will actually give the Strawhts a fight. Forcing them to show their limits to some degree. No idea how that flew over your head.
Crocodile was defeated, Lucci was defeated, Moria was defeated, Ener was defeated. These guys all however gave incredible fights.
The New Fishmen?? loll
Zoro fucking beat base Hody UNDERWATER lolll
If Hody was not eating steroids then Luffy could easily take him without any fight at all, I think. Contrary to what the anime showed, Hody didn't put up much of a fight even then.
Hody and his gang are a bunch of posers anyway. Hody's so green at this "take over a country" thing he constantly flip flops on what he wants to use as propaganda, going back and forth between forcing people to tramble on Otohime's image, to going into a diatribe on how they haven't learned anything about how awful humans are because of her death etc.
But you gotta give credit where credit is due, Hammond's fight was intense 
RIGHT,RIGHT,RIGHT and here is why
Smoker ate Sanji's food which it gives you back your own strength
[hide]http://img.batoto.net/comics/2013/01/23/o/read510031d3db99a/img000014.png[/hide]Law still getting his ass kicked or did you read a page that I missed or something because what I've seen is a bleeding Law in every single panel that Oda have shown his fight, being fair or not he's getting his ass kicked.
Haki comment was said by Oda himself, Sanji specialize in Observation Haki, Zoro in Armament Haki and Luffy in Kings Haki, this information in this forum but I don't remember in which thread it is
let just say zoro specialize in CoA, it doesnt mean his CoA is better that luffy's. its just means that zoro specialize in CoA. its possible that luffy's CoA is stronger than zoro's but his specialize in kings haki is even better, or his kings haki growth is better than CoA.
tho its possible that zoro has stronger CoA but you cant be 100% sure.
and about sanji's food even tho it might recover one's strength, it doesnt mean you can recover from injuries
about the question: i guess its possible for don to lose in this arc, i still wonder what roll that vivre card will play.
@Monkey:
So you're saying in essence that when we finally have an excellent showcase for the Strawhats to show their post-time skip gains being pushed to the limit, Oda's going to blue ball us further for absolutely no reason. And in the process turn a character he's kept in reserve for almost a decade into just another Hody.
This is not a thing that is going to happened.
Luffy will get his fill by going though Burgess and maybe Dofla. Fujitora's the one that's going to push the SH's hard.
Doflamingo walked all over a fine Smoker, Law is getting his ass kicked, Doflamingo had better things to do than fight with Aokiji for 5 straight days, Luffy's haki sure is strong but Zoro's Armament haki is stronger and Sanji's Observation too and I'm no even considering the level of haki that the three seats nor Fujitora posses since we haven't seen them in action yet
Zoro, Franky and Sanji is more than enough to handle those 3 top seat guys and it's going to be a 1 sided fight. This arc is not gonna push most of the SH's to their limit. Unless Fujitora and more vice admirals steps in.
I don't expect any of the 3 seats to individually give the monster trio extreme difficulty fights, although should still be hard fights where they can show most of what they learned. They still need the strength to move around and fight through other enemies like marines and Bastille to get off the island. Only expecting Luffy to get pushed to his limit like usual (pre TS).
Doflamingo walked all over a beat up Smoker, besides I doubt Smoker's even close to Luffy's level now. Now regarding Law, he's just buying time against an admiral and Joker and is actually doing good not getting captured. Doflamingo chickened out against Kuzan. Luffy showed some high level haki shit against Chinjao and I doubt anyone in Dressrosa has that kind of high level haki, and that includes Dolfa.
Doflamingo ahs been very clearly bigged up as a super strong character. He backed away from Aokiji with some confidence. Not like "Oh shit, this guy is super dangerous;" more like "It's a bit troublesome/risky for me to be fighting you here and now."
The idea that this super-Warlord who we've never yet seen fazed, who has carved out his place in the New World and who doesn't balk when around an admiral, a fellow Warlord or whatever is going to get casually beaten by Luffy in the way of someone like Don Krieg or Hody Jones is ridiculous. Even mroe ridiculous is the idea that he's even more of a pushover (relative to the strength of the crew) than Arlong (Zoro was completely outclassed there).
I think you're forgetting what this arc is. This is the big leap into the New World. This is the arc where we run headfirst into a wall before realising we need to find a ay over it. Think back to Baroque Works and CP9. That's the kind of force the Strawhats are going up against in the Doflamingo Family. People who are actually a rung above and who they actually need to struggle to beat.
Luffy will get his fill by going though Burgess and maybe Dofla. Fujitora's the one that's going to push the SH's hard.
I know I throw around the accusation that people have no grasp on the series at all a lot, but you really have no idea about just about anything you're going on about.
If only the obviously wrong were as humble as they were naive. But alas.
Luffy will get his fill by going though Burgess and maybe Dofla. Fujitora's the one that's going to push the SH's hard.
Zoro, Franky and Sanji is more than enough to handle those 3 top seat guys and it's going to be a 1 sided fight. This arc is not gonna push most of the SH's to their limit. Unless Fujitora and more vice admirals steps in.
I don't where this ridiculous idea comes that Vice Admirals and Admirals are definitely always going to be a super tough challenge, but others are not. A seriously major antagonist, especially one who has been built up beforehand, is not going to go down easily. This is just evident because of storytelling reasons.
I don't expect any of the 3 seats to individually give the monster trio extreme difficulty fights, although should still be hard fights where they can show most of what they learned. They still need the strength to move around and fight through other enemies like marines and Bastille to get off the island. Only expecting Luffy to get pushed to his limit like usual (pre TS).
I dunno about that. You would expect in an arc like this for a lot fo the fights to be serious struggles. Concerning being able to move about afterwards to escape, that depends on how the story goes. There are other forces around (like other tournament contestants, the Happou Navy, and also if we assume the Riku royals take over afterwards, they could shelter the SHs in the style of Alabasta). Besides, we saw in Enies Lobby the SHs being pushed pretty damn hard but nonetheless fighting against hordes of HQ Captains before making their escape so tough fights don't necessarily negate being able to fight their way out.
lol at this guy just assuming because Burgess and Fujitora are present in the arc that they are going to engage in desicive fights with the main cast that take them out.
I dunno about that. You would expect in an arc like this for a lot fo the fights to be serious struggles. Concerning being able to move about afterwards to escape, that depends on how the story goes. There are other forces around (like other tournament contestants, the Happou Navy, and also if we assume the Riku royals take over afterwards, they could shelter the SHs in the style of Alabasta). Besides, we saw in Enies Lobby the SHs being pushed pretty damn hard but nonetheless fighting against hordes of HQ Captains before making their escape so tough fights don't necessarily negate being able to fight their way out.
The crew has to escape since Fujitora is on the island. Even if somehow Fujitora were to lose, the marines can apparently reach Dressrosa within a day so they can't stay on the island. Plus they need to head to Zo to save kinemons friend rather than party at dressrosa.
Kinemon friend is at dressrosa.
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The crew has to escape since Fujitora is on the island. Even if somehow Fujitora were to lose, the marines can apparently reach Dressrosa within a day so they can't stay on the island. Plus they need to head to Zo to save kinemons friend rather than party at dressrosa.
Annnnd Hina was at Alabasta. Just because the Navy can be there, it doesn't mean the Navy will find the SHs if they are there too.
As for the heading to Zou bit, the point is, if the SHs can end the arc in no fit state to flee. If they are all to injured to leave, Kinemon's buddy will have to wait.
Kinemon friend is at dressrosa.
They got separated from another samurai at Zou.
Kinemon explains this in excruciating detail lol: Kinemon, Momonosuke and two other samurai - that is, three Samurai and Momonosuke - four people in total set out. At Zou, they met disaster and two samurai and Momonosuke arrived at Dressrosa. There, they were chased around by Doflamingo's lot, Momonosuke hid on a ship headed for Punk Hazard and Kanjuro allowed himself to be captured in order that Kinemon could go after Momonosuke.
His other friend. There were 2 or 3 samurai total.
Didn't Kinemon said that the other drowned when they were attacked?
let just say zoro specialize in CoA, it doesnt mean his CoA is better that luffy's. its just means that zoro specialize in CoA. its possible that luffy's CoA is stronger than zoro's but his specialize in kings haki is even better, or his kings haki growth is better than CoA.
tho its possible that zoro has stronger CoA but you cant be 100% sure.and about sanji's food even tho it might recover one's strength, it doesnt mean you can recover from injuries
about the question: i guess its possible for don to lose in this arc, i still wonder what roll that vivre card will play.
Oda asnwered that question in the last SBS 71
Luffy trained the basic of Haki for a year and half in which he trained the three types, he ended up specializing in Kings haki (as expected I guess) but as we saw during his fight with Hody where he commented that his Armament wasn't strong enough to withstand blunt attacks it let me to believe that Zoro who trained for two whole years, fighting everyday and how Oda has developed his character let me to believe that as of right now his Armament Haki is stronger than Luffy's (He ended up specializing in Aramament) and the same can be said for Sanji a guy who was mostly running and in the look out all the time.
My comment about Smoker was that he's fine but you can take a look at the guy, he ain't in bad, he's moving freely around and If the enemy was somebody else I bet that Smoker would be fighting him with no problem at all
Luffy will get his fill by going though Burgess and maybe Dofla. Fujitora's the one that's going to push the SH's hard.
Zoro, Franky and Sanji is more than enough to handle those 3 top seat guys and it's going to be a 1 sided fight. This arc is not gonna push most of the SH's to their limit. Unless Fujitora and more vice admirals steps in.
So you're saying that Burguess and Doflamingo (+crew) won't do shit to the SHs but a single admiral will make them go all out?
You're placing the VA above the seats of Doflamingo's crew and it will be a one sided fight for the SHs… Brilliant mind you got
His other friend. There were 2 or 3 samurai total.
Don't know if it's a mistranslation but, their ship wrecked when they were heading to Zo. 2 samurai and Momonosuke drifted ashore to Dressrosa.
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They got separated from another samurai at Zou.
Didn't Kinemon said that the other drowned when they were attacked?
It wasn't at Zou and Kinemon hasn't explained anything about the other samurai that's why it make believe that the other Samurai might end up being one of the seats that was infiltrated at Wano for the sole purpose of gathering information
Fujitora seemed pretty cool about letting them go before
I can't see the guy making more than a token Garp effort to stop their getaway later on
http://www.mangapanda.com/one-piece/700/13 Ya nvm seems like both his friends are at dressrosa, but we know he wants to head to Zou for some other reason.
Oda asnwered that question in the last SBS 71
Luffy trained the basic of Haki for a year and half in which he trained the three types, he ended up specializing in Kings haki (as expected I guess) but as we saw during his fight with Hody where he commented that his Armament wasn't strong enough to withstand blunt attacks it let me to believe that Zoro who trained for two whole years, fighting everyday and how Oda has developed his character let me to believe that as of right now his Armament Haki is stronger than Luffy's (He ended up specializing in Aramament) and the same can be said for Sanji a guy who was mostly running and in the look out all the time.
and he trained for a half year after that.i red that SBS too.
let me use a different example. Shanks specialize in Kings haki, does this mean shanks Coa is weaker than zoro's? probably not.
even if luffy specialize in kings haki its not sure that he has weaker CoA than zoro's, cus we just dunno that. and about luffy beeing weak against hody's shark teeth doesnt say that zoro would have done any better against such attack.
about that other samurai he might play a roll in getting law's crew to dressrosa. if he is realy in Zou
and he trained for a half year after that.i red that SBS too.
let me use a different example. Shanks specialize in Kings haki, does this mean shanks Coa is weaker than zoro's? probably not.
even if luffy specialize in kings haki its not sure that he has weaker CoA than zoro's, cus we just dunno that. and about luffy beeing weak against hody's shark teeth doesnt say that zoro would have done any better against such attack.
How can you use Shanks as an example?
I'm talking about three guys who trained for the same amount of time and end up specializing in different types of Haki, each one of those guys have their own reason for taking one type over the other and this is just how I see this situation as of right now, taking into account the way they trained, their personalities and how they came out of their training
Luffy will get his fill by going though Burgess and maybe Dofla. Fujitora's the one that's going to push the SH's hard.
Zoro, Franky and Sanji is more than enough to handle those 3 top seat guys and it's going to be a 1 sided fight. This arc is not gonna push most of the SH's to their limit. Unless Fujitora and more vice admirals steps in.
If Franky ever tried to fight one of the 3 seats,he would get destroyed considering that they should be at least as strong as Vergo but probably even stronger.
Doflamingo is the toughest enemy that Luffy will have to face one on one after a pretty long time.An enemy far stronger than any enemy we've seen after the TS.
@Joy:
If Franky ever tried to fight one of the 3 seats,he would get destroyed considering that they should be at least as strong as Vergo but probably even stronger.
By the First-to-join Law (which shall henceforth be known as the Supernova Law!) Vergo ought to be the strongest in Doffy's organisation owing to the fact he's been with him for the longest.
Franky's generally been shown as a combatively competent member of the SHs, especially post-timeskip. If all three seated members are to be taken out by Strawhats, and Luffy doesn't take one out, then Franky and Usopp would be the surest bets to take one out. That said, it is looking like Luffy could well take out Diamante.
How can you use Shanks as an example?
I'm talking about three guys who trained for the same amount of time and end up specializing in different types of Haki, each one of those guys have their own reason for taking one type over the other and this is just how I see this situation as of right now, taking into account the way they trained, their personalities and how they came out of their training
well i used shanks since you didnt seem to get my point.
oh realy? so what kind of training did zoro? or sanji? we dunno how they trained not? and how is more training mean you have more progress? even they all might have trained for 2 years it doesnt mean they would have about the same progress.
lets use this time sanji and luffy as an example. sanji specialize in CoO, why was luffy the first to notice caribou when he tryed to kidnap shirahoshi? and also luffy shows realy good control when using CoO to predict hody's/ jean ango's attack. sanji should be better at CoO then luffy right?
you can go assume something but it doesnt mean it true. untill any shows better control at a type haki, you can realy go say someone is better. specializing into a type of haki only means that your better at that type of haki. but it doesnt mean your better at it than someone else
anyway i leave it at this.
Doflamingo has to be defeated in this arc. He's the main villain of it all, and he's a stepping stone to Kaidou. I don't see why this is a question. We're on his own turf, he's moving against our heroes, and there's an army moving against him. This is it.
@Nex:
Doflamingo has to be defeated in this arc. He's the main villain of it all, and he's a stepping stone to Kaidou. I don't see why this is a question. We're on his own turf, he's moving against our heroes, and there's an army moving against him. This is it.
Even WITHIN the arc none of those two things are signalling a final showdown lol.
Even if Doflamingo is defeated he'll be back, they always come back.
@Monkey:
Even WITHIN the arc none of those two things are signalling a final showdown lol.
How are they not? Law is fighting him right now! Doflamingo wants to be rid of the Straw Hats. He wants Luffy dead! That means Dolfamingo will go after Luffy himself if it comes to that. There is no evidence to suggest that Doflamingo does not get beat this arc. Will he possibly come back later? Sure. But Luffy will beat him by arc's end.
This isn't going to be a Water 7 type scenario. We know our enemy, and we are on his home turf. Everything is screaming that his regime must fall by arc's end, thus, unless he runs like a coward, means he has to be beat.
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Even if Doflamingo is defeated he'll be back, they always come back.
Unless it's Buggy and we're in Loguetown, they always come back as psuedo-allies. Outside of that one time, we've never really had an enemy get defeated only to show up and fight the Strawhats again.
@Nex:
How are they not? Law is fighting him right now!
You say that as if fighting a big villain means that the final fight is on. Even if it's an isolated non-fight attack involving one non-member of the crew.
Remember when Luffy fought Lucci in Volume 37? And he went down in Volume 44? And that's an even better example of an actual fight with the main villain than Law trying to dodge and stall Doflamingo on his own.
Doflamingo wants to be rid of the Straw Hats. He wants Luffy dead! That means Dolfamingo will go after Luffy himself if it comes to that.
Actually that's just sort of on the side. What he really wants is Ceasar's heart back from Law, and to keep his Kaidou business assets safe like the factory.
Doflamingo is not going to go directly after Luffy so long as he remains convinced that the arena will eventually kill him. Whether that means some underhanded tactic in the waiting room, or he has that much faith in Diamante. It's nothing Doflamingo currently has any reason to care about. Luffy is out of the way, and that's the main thing.
What made you think killing Luffy is some major goal of Doflamingo? I mean sure he is going to have him killed, and is perfectly happy to do so. But it's not his actual goal here.
There is no evidence to suggest that Doflamingo does not get beat this arc. Will he possibly come back later? Sure. But Luffy will beat him by arc's end.
The pacing is odd, with a sub-villain currently receiving a lot of the build up (Diamante), and the circumstances of "defeating" DF don't actually involve fighting him so much as destroying his ability to supply Kaidou, which coming before an actual focused fight..could lead to interesting reactions from Dofla.
Considering it would get him in trouble with Kaidou.
With so much stretching out here with a big huge plot, a whole other round of combat after the arena seems like an awful lot. It might make better sense to do something different.
This isn't going to be a Water 7 type scenario. We know our enemy, and we are on his home turf.
The nature of Dofla's actual home is totally up in the air right now.
What I was attacking your post for though wasn't even the Dolfa thing, it was that you bought into the really silly idea that the arc is about to go into it's final portion.
DD might not go down this arc, especially if Luffy is going to fight Burgess and Diamante. There's no way he would have the strength left to beat DD at that point. Kuzan also said that DD was going to be the biggest obstacle since Akainu took over the marines, so it would be rather weird for DD to go down the very next day after Kuzan says that.
@Monkey:
Actually that's just sort of on the side. What he really wants is Ceasar's heart back from Law, and to keep his Kaidou business assets safe like the factory.
Doflamingo is not going to go directly after Luffy so long as he remains convinced that the arena will eventually kill him. Whether that means some underhanded tactic in the waiting room, or he has that much faith in Diamante. It's nothing Doflamingo currently has any reason to care about. Luffy is out of the way, and that's the main thing.
What made you think killing Luffy is some major goal of Doflamingo? I mean sure he is going to have him killed, and is perfectly happy to do so. But it's not his actual goal here.
And when Diamante fails? Do you think Doflamingo is just going to let Luffy go on his merry way with Law? Luffy is a major goal for Doflamingo because he is acting against him. EVen if Law is defeated (and say killed, although we all know that won't happen) and thus the brains of the operation are removed, all that would do is set Luffy on Doflamingo. There is no way the two make it out of this arc without clashing.
The pacing is odd, with a sub-villain currently receiving a lot of the build up (Diamante), and the circumstances of "defeating" DF don't actually involve fighting him so much as destroying his ability to supply Kaidou, which coming before an actual focused fight..could lead to interesting reactions from Dofla.
Considering it would get him in trouble with Kaidou.
With so much stretching out here with a big huge plot, a whole other round of combat after the arena seems like an awful lot. It might make better sense to do something different.
I agree the pacing is odd, but I don't see how Diamante has gotten any build up besides being a the Arena Champion. He's apepared in a grand total of 3 scenes since this arc began.
The nature of Dofla's actual home is totally up in the air right now.
Yes, but that's besides the point. For now, until we learn more, his kingdom is his home.
What I was attacking your post for though wasn't even the Dolfa thing, it was that you bought into the really silly idea that the arc is about to go into it's final portion.
I don't believe I ever said this arc was going into its final portion. I think it has 50 chapters left, minimum. No, we're just approaching the end of Act 1. (Which will most likely end with the Tournament, whenever that may be.)
I'm sorry if my wording may have caused you to incorrectly infer that sentiment. (I believe it was probably the "this is it," which was simply in reference to this arc being it for Doflamingo.)
Probably this arc, though I can see some sort of transitional arc similar to Water 7 and Enies Lobby. There's a ton of crazy stuff right now, and Donflamingo's crew has barely been seen so far. If the finale is really going to be Donflamingo, we need time to see these guys.
DD might not go down this arc, especially if Luffy is going to fight Burgess and Diamante. There's no way he would have the strength left to beat DD at that point. Kuzan also said that DD was going to be the biggest obstacle since Akainu took over the marines, so it would be rather weird for DD to go down the very next day after Kuzan says that.
Luffy would only have to eat some meat to get his strength back. I mean, if it can heal a hook through the stomach, I think it can get him his energy back. Also, I don't think he'll actually fight either. With the dwarves on the move, it's looking like the tournament might wrap up at the end of D block, or in the middle of it even.
@Nex:
And when Diamante fails? Do you think Doflamingo is just going to let Luffy go on his merry way with Law? Luffy is a major goal for Doflamingo because he is acting against him. EVen if Law is defeated (and say killed, although we all know that won't happen) and thus the brains of the operation are removed, all that would do is set Luffy on Doflamingo. There is no way the two make it out of this arc without clashing.
Isn't that going to make for a really long arc though? Because Doflamingo won't bother with Luffy unless the arena scenario is compromised, since he thinks it will kill him.
I agree the pacing is odd, but I don't see how Diamante has gotten any build up besides being a the Arena Champion. He's apepared in a grand total of 3 scenes since this arc began.
Oda's very slowwwwly and deliberately shown him in small bits and pieces, and has now added on the element of him figuring into Rebecca's bad memories.
He's getting significantly more build up and focus as such in comparison to any other top subordinate I can recall…also he's sitting on top of this huge event.
Ohm...Mr.1...uh Kaku? None of those guys got quite this.
Yes, but that's besides the point. For now, until we learn more, his kingdom is his home.
It's been implied he has celestial blood. I don't think such people come from Dressrosa!
I don't believe I ever said this arc was going into its final portion. I think it has 50 chapters left, minimum. No, we're just approaching the end of Act 1. (Which will most likely end with the Tournament, whenever that may be.)
Even the tournament seems to stretch out rather far though. One whole more block, then one whole other event with the other people, then the finale.
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Probably this arc, though I can see some sort of transitional arc similar to Water 7 and Enies Lobby. There's a ton of crazy stuff right now, and Donflamingo's crew has barely been seen so far. If the finale is really going to be Donflamingo, we need time to see these guys.
Yeah that's part of what I mean by pacing.
There's still a bunch of Dofla people we haven't seen much of, or really at all in terms of the Spade Suit guy.
@Monkey:
Even WITHIN the arc none of those two things are signalling a final showdown lol.
You're right, Doflamingo won't be defeated this arc. It's not like:
Hey look it's the Hiro Mashima and Oda are peers guy.
You're right, Doflamingo won't be defeated this arc. It's not like:
It was cute when Nex misread my post, and didn't understand that I was laughing at the claim that the arc was almost over.
But now that it's been corrected, you have no excuse to be mistaken!
- The SH always cause revolutions on every island
Either you don't know what a revolution is, or you've never read One Piece.
@Monkey:
It was cute when Nex misread my post, and didn't understand that I was laughing at the claim that the arc was almost over.
Hey dumbass, I never made the claim the arc was almost over. And even after I corrected you on that fact, you continue to argue me on points unrelated to that claim, with an argument so lacking I didn't feel the need to respond. But since you decided to call me out here…
@Monkey:
Isn't that going to make for a really long arc though? Because Doflamingo won't bother with Luffy unless the arena scenario is compromised, since he thinks it will kill him.
Because we've never had a long arc in One-Piece? And, are you saying that Doflamingo won't have to deal with Luffy because the arena will kill him?
Oda's very slowwwwly and deliberately shown him in small bits and pieces, and has now added on the element of him figuring into Rebecca's bad memories.
He's getting significantly more build up and focus as such in comparison to any other top subordinate I can recall…also he's sitting on top of this huge event.
Ohm...Mr.1...uh Kaku? None of those guys got quite this.
Hyozu got it. All of the Fishmen Pirate got it. Shura got it. Bon Clay got it. All of them ended up not dealing with Luffy.
It's been implied he has celestial blood. I don't think such people come from Dressrosa!
I never said they did. But his home right now is his Kingdom. It is where he is living. It is, at the plainest of definitions of the word, his home.
Even the tournament seems to stretch out rather far though. One whole more block, then one whole other event with the other people, then the finale.
You're assuming it's going to run its whole course, even though there is an army heading to the Colosseum? That just makes it seem prime for an interruption.
People do realize if they destroy the factory that makes smiles, and find some way for the people to get there memories returned so they know how evil dofla is and that he's making people into toys etc.
doflamingo will be forced to leave, I doubt he's going to stay on an Island that every single person besides his crew wants him dead
and even without the memory back he's not going to stay on the Island that he's known to rule over when Kaidou himself will obviously go there first to find him and kill him (cause apparently Kaidou's a psycho path) he's more concerned about staying alive then killing the SH's at that moment
Even if Doflamingo gets defeated this arc he'll still be around this saga, his no longer being on Kaidou's good list is instrumental somehow to law's plot on how to defeat Kaidou
I think this page here is extremely important in trying to figure out what law's up to
http://www.batoto.net/read/_/155401/one-piece_ch698_by_mangarule/14
my honest opinion is that Joker has huge influence in the criminal underworld and that he keeps it in a neutral state fearing what will happen if he acts like law is, causing all chaos
I suspect when Doflamingo is getting hunted down by Kaidou he might use his influence to change the tides of the criminal underworld from being neutrally balanced to tipping in the favor of some other Yonkou who doesn't want him dead… say Big Mom, giving her more allies and support which might be the only way for one Yonkou to take down the other without the possibility of getting equally hurt
and now I wait to see someone rip my theory to shreds
@Nex and if the smily factory gets destroyed and Kiadou comes to try to kill him he'll say fuck my home time to find another one to escape the yonkou's wrath
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