Luffy asked Jinbe to become part of his crew, not to become an ally or even subordinate, so i don´t know where this "affiliated pirate crew" thing comes from. Of course the future of the Sun Pirates exists as a problem to be solved right now but that was the very reason Jinbe postponed his joining in the first place.
Jinbe will be the 10th, and imo Bonney will be the 11th, seems like a good bet
Luffy asked Jinbe to become part of his crew, not to become an ally or even subordinate, so i don´t know where this "affiliated pirate crew" thing comes from. Of course the future of the Sun Pirates exists as a problem to be solved right now but that was the very reason Jinbe postponed his joining in the first place.
Jinbe will be the 10th, and imo Bonney will be the 11th, seems like a good bet
Dunno why this is a good bet… or better on what it is based on
Dunno why this is a good bet… or better on what it is based on
I think it's based on her importance in the story( since she is supernova), she has rather unique character, she has a grudge agains't Blackbeard, she had a relation either with ace or wb, and… she is a girl!(.)(.)!
On: Bartolomeo for nakama train left the station, Bellamy still there, dang it.
Dunno why this is a good bet… or better on what it is based on
Well it seems quite likely that Bonney has some kind of tragic past, which is usually the case with SH crew-members.
It's been hinted at by Sakazuki's comments and her so far unexplored relationship with Whitebeard.
However, it seems still seems like a lot of hitting and hoping on a lot of people's parts.
Bonney's backstory will undoubtedly be explored, but the chances of her being simply a) a major arc character or even b) a future allied captain are way, way higher than being a future SH member as it stands.
_"_Now! This is it! Now is the time to choose! Die and be free of pain or live and fight your sorrow! Now is the time to shape your stories! Your fate is in your hands!" - Auron
Well it seems quite likely that Bonney has some kind of tragic past, which is usually the case with SH crew-members.
It's been hinted at by Sakazuki's comments and her so far unexplored relationship with Whitebeard.
However, it seems still seems like a lot of hitting and hoping on a lot of people's parts.
Bonney's backstory will undoubtedly be explored, but the chances of her being simply a) a major arc character or even b) a future allied captain are way, way higher than being a future SH member as it stands.
Yeah I know but as you said… So far it is nothing more than a wish by people.
Tragic pasts alone aren't nakama material. We see this with most arc characters.
As long as we see nothing, it is stupid to make "bets" on it. So I will go with you and see her more of an ally/Major arc character
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@uniaka:
she is a girl!(.)(.)!
This is the main reason as for all other female character introduced since Brook
Bambi girl will join guys, doubt she will have big boobs but its a gurl.
Remaining strawhat will probably have pink, purple or white hair. Its not a requirement of any sort, and a fifth member with black hair isn't impossible, but Oda does like to have variety in his spread and group shots.
Of course, CHopper has already taken pink as a theme, and Robin is traditionally given purple clothes, so those are actually pretty accounted for, leaving white for the most part. (Complicating matters is the fact Brook has black and white as his theme.)
It will NOT be someone with red hair, thats Shank's thing… and Luffy's representative color anyway.
They're also still missing a grandmother figure in the family, so... (Jinbe will serve as an uncle I think?)
Yeah I know but as you said… So far it is nothing more than a wish by people.
Indeed.
A lot of people seem quite taken with Bonney and as such try to attach more importance to her character than is likely to manifest.
Tragic pasts alone aren't nakama material. We see this with most arc characters.
Very true, but then again Bonney is singled out by the slow build that's gone into her backstory.
That's what makes me personally see her as a likely future ally, rather than all her backstory payoff being dealt with in one arc.
_"_Now! This is it! Now is the time to choose! Die and be free of pain or live and fight your sorrow! Now is the time to shape your stories! Your fate is in your hands!" - Auron
Indeed.
A lot of people seem quite taken with Bonney and as such try to attach more importance to her character than is likely to manifest.
Very true, but then again Bonney is singled out by the slow build that's gone into her backstory.
That's what makes me personally see her as a likely future ally, rather than all her backstory payoff being dealt with in one arc.
Well maybe similar she will be similar to Law if you count Punk Hazard as first arc of dealing with sad backstory.
Just the fact of remembering Bonnie fruit and knowing Oda can't do much with it, immediatly turns me away from her character.
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Just the fact of remembering Bonnie fruit and knowing Oda can't do much with it, immediatly turns me away from her character.
Why?
Because it would be overpowered and have to be diluted considerably?
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Just like Robin.
Will this thread absorb the "Strawhat fleet member" discussion?
I hope jimbe joins soon, and if they are interested the sun pirates join the fleet with aladin or hachi as captain. If it wasn't for the constant reminder of the kid with the 10 T-shirt in his cover story, I'd doubt jimbe. So unless 2 more crews join the alliance before he shows up again, well be OK. But with law and kinnemon hanging around, its a possibility.
Speaking of law, how much of it was his ambition to defeat mingo, and how much is it to be the pirate king? How much does this favor that Luffy did weights against him saving Luffy back at the war to him?
Remaining strawhat will probably have pink, purple or white hair. Its not a requirement of any sort, and a fifth member with black hair isn't impossible, but Oda does like to have variety in his spread and group shots.
Of course, CHopper has already taken pink as a theme, and Robin is traditionally given purple clothes, so those are actually pretty accounted for, leaving white for the most part. (Complicating matters is the fact Brook has black and white as his theme.)
It will NOT be someone with red hair, thats Shank's thing… and Luffy's representative color anyway.
They're also still missing a grandmother figure in the family, so... (Jinbe will serve as an uncle I think?)
Tsuru fits in perfectly with your description, white hair and old enough to serve the grandma role! Tsuru for nakama!
I would prefer if we don't get any new character as straw hat nakama, bring back Jinbe and maybe Vivi(will require huge character and story development) and let the new characters be allies, subordinates or travel companions…
There's obviously something big in store for Momo, we'll see about that in due time.
Why?
Because it would be overpowered and have to be diluted considerably?
Its an aging fruit, what can Oda do with it? it would get old really fast and its not very dynamic I think, I might be wrong and it might have other ways to be used.
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Its an aging fruit, what can Oda do with it? it would get old really fast and its not very dynamic I think, I might be wrong and it might have other ways to be used.
Look what he made out of Brook's fruit… Not saying that you aren't right or that Bonney will join.
But Brook's only abiliuty was coming back to live. Now he can leave his body and summon ice from hells
Tsuru fits in perfectly with your description, white hair and old enough to serve the grandma role! Tsuru for nakama!
I would prefer if we don't get any new character as straw hat nakama, bring back Jinbe and maybe Vivi(will require huge character and story development) and let the new characters be allies, subordinates or travel companions…
There's obviously something big in store for Momo, we'll see about that in due time.
I think Big mom or Dadan are more likely to join then Tsuru.
She is part of the same generation as Garp and Sengoku, she is close to retirement( based on age) and was a marine all her life. What would make her go from that to future pirate king's crew?
Its an aging fruit, what can Oda do with it? it would get old really fast and its not very dynamic I think, I might be wrong and it might have other ways to be used.
Well I suppose it depends what limits Oda would decide to add to the fruit.
Say we assume that CoA defence negates it's abilities in a similar fashion to Law's cutting abilites, there's still a variety of ways that Bonney's powers could be used.
She could…
We also don't know if the fruit is only limited to aging certain things, and can't control the flow of time as a whole or things like that.
So I think that Bonney's fruit probably does have quite a large scope of reasonable abilities that could keep things interesting, but without being too overpowered.
Bonney is the only character so far who is connected to both BB and Akainu in one way or the other besides, Luffy, and well Ace of course
Has some special value to the World Government, would be consistent with Robin and Franky, though of course there are others that belong ot that category, mostly Revos though
Has a connection to either WB or Ace, cried when WB was accused of treachery
And, and this is just me, but the statement of "a pirate helping a stranger? I have never seen such a thing" seemed like an obvious foreshadowing of Oda to me, especially considering she actually needs help right now since she is in hiding
Now these points do not necessarily have to lead to her joining the SHs, she also very well could have an antagonistic role or become an ally for one arc/saga like Kinemon or Vivi but it is undeniable that she will play a big role in at least one upcoming arc, the build-up is there that makes a joining possible though.
I like her as a character, no argument there, but she is not really my biggest priority regarding Strawhats, i would have liked to see other characters to be honest, but i do think it´s a legitimate choice at this point.
And i have learned over the years to trust my gut and the hints i pick up here and there, among other things, people were laughing at and easily dismissing my prediction that Jinbe would one day join after his introduction at Impel Down and after seeing his relation to Ace. He is a Shichibukai, he is too strong, he is related to Arlong and so on were the primary counterarguments, nearly 3 years after, Luffy popped the question.
Not saying Bonney is a done deal because of that but, like i said a few times now, build-up is there, Oda could act upon it.
Bonney is the only character so far who is connected to both BB and Akainu in one way or the other besides, Luffy, and well Ace of course
Shanks has a special connection to BB as well… So have Kuzan right now. Akainu is no special connection.
Has some special value to the World Government, would be consistent with Robin and Franky, though of course there are others that belong ot that category, mostly Revos though
So have Law with his Ope Ope no Mi
Has a connection to either WB or Ace, cried when WB was accused of treachery
Yeah she has a connection to WB… So what? But Law had one to DoFlamingo and Drake to Kaidou to take other SuperNovas into it.
And, and this is just me, but the statement of "a pirate helping a stranger? I have never seen such a thing" seemed like an obvious foreshadowing of Oda to me, especially considering she actually needs help right now since she is in hiding
Dunno what's special about it… Really we see the reaction from non pirates a lot of time... And even by pirates talking about Luffy playing the hero is strange
Now these points do not necessarily have to lead to her joining the SHs, she also very well could have an antagonistic role or become an ally for one arc/saga like Kinemon or Vivi but it is undeniable that she will play a big role in at least one upcoming arc, the build-up is there that makes a joining possible though.
I like her as a character, no argument there, but she is not really my biggest priority regarding Strawhats, i would have liked to see other characters to be honest, but i do think it´s a legitimate choice at this point.
And i have learned over the years to trust my gut and the hints i pick up here and there, among other things, people were laughing at and easily dismissing my prediction that Jinbe would one day join after his introduction at Impel Down and after seeing his relation to Ace. He is a Shichibukai, he is too strong, he is related to Arlong and so on were the primary counterarguments, nearly 3 years after, Luffy popped the question.
Not saying Bonney is a done deal because of that but, like i said a few times now, build-up is there, Oda could act upon it.
Here we agree… She will play a big role but non of the above should let you "bet on her"
BUT that's nothing like Jinbe and your "gut feeling"... Seriously besides some-narrow Anti-Jinbe people everyone said that he will be nakama after at least the scene in Impel Down... Some even way before Impel Down... people who deny it now or think he will die are just stupid in my eyes
And it is not about his connection to Ace but because of his interaction with Luffy and the way he was introduced as completely opposite as being told in Arlong Park. Hell alone the chained up introducing panel could have also be taken as "hint"
You are allowed to have this feeling... But so far it is nothing different than some people have a feeling that Three-Eyed Big Mom girl is against her will with her and a candidate for joining
Shanks has a special connection to BB as well… So have Kuzan right now. Akainu is no special connection.
So have Law with his Ope Ope no Mi
Yeah she has a connection to WB... So what? But Law had one to DoFlamingo and Drake to Kaidou to take other SuperNovas into it.
Dunno what's special about it... Really we see the reaction from non pirates a lot of time... And even by pirates talking about Luffy playing the hero is strange
Here we agree... She will play a big role but non of the above should let you "bet on her"
BUT that's nothing like Jinbe and your "gut feeling"... Seriously besides some-narrow Anti-Jinbe people everyone said that he will be nakama after at least the scene in Impel Down... Some even way before Impel Down... people who deny it now or think he will die are just stupid in my eyes
And it is not about his connection to Ace but because of his interaction with Luffy and the way he was introduced as completely opposite as being told in Arlong Park. Hell alone the chained up introducing panel could have also be taken as "hint"
You are allowed to have this feeling... But so far it is nothing different than some people have a feeling that Three-Eyed Big Mom girl is against her will with her and a candidate for joining
Akainu personally responded to her escaping and Bonney acted like she knew him, so that´s that
Not really, we have not seen anybody from the WG actually responding to losing the Ope Ope No Mi, not to forget Law had a really important part in the story and is one of Luffy´s closest allies and friends right now, so it´s hardly a counter argument.
DD and Kaidou do not matter to Luffy, Ace and WB do, that´s the difference
Yet it was done by a pirate who is in need of help right now, why do non-pirates matter? It´s called irony.
I bet her because the build up is there, more than any other side character right now
You should go read the old nakama thread around that time if you think that´s true. Only Brennen and maybe an additional 1-2 felt like that, everyone else was vehemently against it, well just like you are right now actually.
At that time, we did not know anything about Jinbe, so that´s hardly correct. He only talked to Ace, that´s all, that was when a really small portion of the community saw that it is possible, the rest dismissed it. I am not trying to fish for praise or anything like that, but it was the same as this right now.
And you are judging it in retrospect now, like i said before, reread what people actually thought back then about the prospect, not exclusively but including APForums.
And that is completely baseless since the three eyed girl did not have any kind of build-up at all, Bonney has, and to compare the two is less than appropriate.
Akainu personally responded to her escaping and Bonney acted like she knew him, so that´s that
Not really, we have not seen anybody from the WG actually responding to losing the Ope Ope No Mi, not to forget Law had a really important part in the story and is one of Luffy´s closest allies and friends right now, so it´s hardly a counter argument.
DD and Kaidou do not matter to Luffy, Ace and WB do, that´s the difference
Yet it was done by a pirate who is in need of help right now, why do non-pirates matter? It´s called irony.
I bet her because the build up is there, more than any other side character right now
You should go read the old nakama thread around that time if you think that´s true. Only Brennen and maybe an additional 1-2 felt like that, everyone else was vehemently against it, well just like you are right now actually.
At that time, we did not know anything about Jinbe, so that´s hardly correct. He only talked to Ace, that´s all, that was when a really small portion of the community saw that it is possible, the rest dismissed it. I am not trying to fish for praise or anything like that, but it was the same as this right now.
And you are judging it in retrospect now, like i said before, reread what people actually thought back then about the prospect, not exclusively but including APForums.And that is completely baseless since the three eyed girl did not have any kind of build-up at all, Bonney has, and to compare the two is less than appropriate.
Forget Bonney. Seems we won't agree on it… But do not tell me to read the nakama threads again as I'm some noob. I read them all and survived AGOG's monster posts.
And it's plain wrong that only brennen and 2 or 3 other people said Jinbe will join. At least after the scene where Luffy called Jinbe "he is so awesome" cuz of his summoning the whales me and other people jumped on the Jinbe will be nakama bandwagon.
But after endless of posts and nakama threads people stopped debating about Jinbe and why he will join... Only brennen and some others haven't stopped the fight against the doubters... But now even them don't do it anymore
I do not give the slightest fuck about people still doubting it or even 500 posts ago. it's just plain hating towards Jinbe or simply not understanding that Jinbe is a given
You should go read the old nakama thread around that time if you think that´s true. Only Brennen and maybe an additional 1-2 felt like that, everyone else was vehemently against it, well just like you are right now actually.
Maybe YOu should re-read the old threads again. Brennen, Urogue and me defended Jinbe at length almost from the start, (before he even appeared on camera it was already being speculated due to how Sengoku talked about him) , and we wrote the longest essays, but the reasons were solid and story based, not opinion based.
We didn't root for him because "he looks cool!" or because of a backstory we made up in our heads, but because of a myriad of story reasons and aspects Oda put into his place in the story,reasons that only became stronger and further backed up as things went along.
Any naysayers were entirely built around "I think he looks dumb and is boring" rather than any actual ability to refute any of the story points. I was there
Start with this post, from 2009.
http://www.apforums.net/showthread.php?t=21067&p=1021859&viewfull=1#post1021859
And also check the poll results. Jinbe was by far the popular choice based on story and logic. Back in 2009. Before the timeskip. And two years before you even joined the forum.
Almost no one denies him at this point since the blood transfusion scene. The only hold outs are those that just don't like him because of his design.
Your push for Bonney at this juncture is in the "I'm making up fanfic based on a character design I like" territory, trying to build a sentence or two into a mountain, that just is not there.
Hell, Bonney was introduced at the same time as all the other supernovas… she'll REMAIN a supernova. It's the exact same argument thats been thrown around for Bart/Cavendish for the last two years. Neither of them were joining because they were billed equally... and lo and behold, in the end... they're billed equally!
Just because you like a character doesn't mean anything. Just because you dislike them doesn't mean anything either.
The only hold outs are those that just don't like him because of his design.
Not true, I also don't like him because of his personality.
The major problem with Bonney is that Zoro met her before Luffy, who still didn't even meet her at all.
Luffy is usually the first person to meet a potential crewmate after or during their introductions.
^So, no chance for deer girl or Wicca either. That's sad.
The major problem with Bonney is that Zoro met her before Luffy, who still didn't even meet her at all.
Luffy is usually the first person to meet a potential crewmate after or during their introductions.
No necessarily. Technically, Nami was the first SH to meet Chopper and Usopp was the first to meet Franky.
No necessarily. Technically, Nami was the first SH to meet Chopper and Usopp was the first to meet Franky.
Luffy was still conscious when Chopper saved him, so it's possible he met him first.
And Franky was disguised, so Usopp technically didn't meet him first.
I'm still a supporter that the next SH will be a fan that auditions for the crew by fighting either Zoro, Sanji, Luffy, or Franky. My own personal idea is if a person who knows Robin via Revolutionaries auditions but doesn't reveal to have known Robin until being accepted or rejected. If he/she told them that they knew Robin, it'd be an unfair automatic ticket into the crew.
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If Bellamy does join and we do get a full flashback I never really realized how beautiful a panel of him sitting up in Skypiea contemplating his life would be.
Nothing about it would be beautiful
@Light:
I'd like it. While Bellamy's no nakama material I hope we'd get to see what happened on Skypiea.
Yep of course I would like to see what happened. Even more to Sarkies and Co.
But not as part of his "sad" flashback as nakama… If he will join he is auto worst SH and would be the final nail in the coffin for my opinion of Dressrosa arc
Yep of course I would like to see what happened. Even more to Sarkies and Co.
But not as part of his "sad" flashback as nakama… If he will join he is auto worst SH and would be the final nail in the coffin for my opinion of Dressrosa arc
It would be very beautiful for me and would make the Dressrosa arc even better.
Opinions.
I can accept Bellamy joining only if the chapter is called "the 5 609th".
Bellamy can join the One Piece Party version.
Haters, haters everywhere!
Bellamy isn't Strawhat material. His fruit is too close to luffys. Its like if someone had the duplicate fruit where you can make clones of yourself, or a gorila size tanuki with the reindeer fruit, or the bone logia, they would be too much overlapping with the crew.
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@Light:
I'd like it. While Bellamy's no nakama material I hope we'd get to see what happened on Skypiea.
Yeah, when he brought it up he seemed to have kind of a forbidding atmosphere about it.
That being said, in the "Where are they now?" cover story they seemed to be doing alright.
Wicca wasn't mentioned to be around Leo's 200/hundred Tonttatas, Wicca's still on the nakama road.
Bellamy isn't Strawhat material. His fruit is too close to luffys. Its like if someone had the duplicate fruit where you can make clones of yourself, or a gorila size tanuki with the reindeer fruit, or the bone logia, they would be too much overlapping with the crew.
Not even true. Put Luffy on the stairs and he'll just stick there. Put Bellamy on the stairs and he'll slowly go down like a slinky.
While luffy can't slinky down a stair on his own base form, there's bound to be a rubber configuration that will allow him to do it.
Bellamy made sure to make you hate him back in Jaya. And 2 years later, he still fights for Doflamingo even when he tried to kill him twice only now. I try to fiind something about him to like, I can't.
Jinbe perfectly fits the crew but the most important thing is what the manga tells us: "I will come to meet you all, then ask me to join strawhats that day".
And that's all.
Then, as someone said, Jinbe's clothes are totally similar to samurai's. Kimono, and in particular his clogs, are the same clothing of, for example, Kinemon, Ryuuma…
And I think that this is not a casuality...Oda always places elements that might seem useless, and then he comes up with something.
Maybe Jinbe has something in Wano, something that his flashback did not tell us.
Do you think Jinbe is going to be back in the story soon? I mean in few chapters...
I wait for Jinbe as Nakama
@Jinbe#10:
Then, as someone said, Jinbe's clothes are totally similar to samurai's
Jinbe is a mafioso, not a samurai.
"His clothes look like Japan" is meaninglessly broad when there's a whole lot of history and culture there. Same with Zoro's clothes.
That aside, its hard to tell when he'll enter the story again give how crazy Oda is making things right now and the crew is still split up. The immediate future in the story is really hard to predict right now.
@Jinbe#10:
Jinbe perfectly fits the crew but the most important thing is what the manga tells us: "I will come to meet you all, then ask me to join strawhats that day".
And that's all.Then, as someone said, Jinbe's clothes are totally similar to samurai's. Kimono, and in particular his clogs, are the same clothing of, for example, Kinemon, Ryuuma…
And I think that this is not a casuality...Oda always places elements that might seem useless, and then he comes up with something.
Maybe Jinbe has something in Wano, something that his flashback did not tell us.Do you think Jinbe is going to be back in the story soon? I mean in few chapters...
Yes, today(in story) is the day of Big Mom's party and that's where Jinbe is going.
"In mad world, only the mad are sane."
Yes, today(in story) is the day of Big Mom's party and that's where Jinbe is going.
The party was yesterday (in-universe), though.
Jinbe is a mafioso, not a samurai.
"His clothes look like Japan" is meaninglessly broad when there's a whole lot of history and culture there. Same with Zoro's clothes.
Well Jinbe is dressed in the same way as Kinemon, Momonosuke, Ryuuma.
Of course he is not a samurai.
There isn't any other fishman dressed like him.
In my ipinion it is not a casuality.
No, he isn't. They aren't the same kind of clothes, any more than Brook and Sanji are wearing the same kinds of clothes because they both have suits. or Luffy and Chopper are dressed the same because they're both in shorts and a hat.
"Jinbe is wearing something japanese" is not the same as "Jinbe is wearing samurai clothes."
There's a lot of japanese culture over the centuries, and some of it overlaps a bit in style, but the samurai and mafia looks are not the same, despite both having kimonos.
Jinbe is joining.
But… at this point, someone needs to join soon. The numerals theory from the SBS seems like it'll probably turn out to be true. Except the Nikyu Nikyu potentially isn't the only one that follows a 2.9 2.9 pattern. If Kin'emons fruit turns out to be the Fuku Fuku I wouldn't be surprised. The changing clothes ability and the "poof" chant is probably a some kind of pun in Japanese. But... I just don't see Kin'emon joining. He doesn't feel like a good fit with the crew. Now if he died and someone else ate his fruit... maybe I could see that happening.
Jinbe is joining.
But… at this point, someone needs to join soon. The numerals theory from the SBS seems like it'll probably turn out to be true. Except the Nikyu Nikyu potentially isn't the only one that follows a 2.9 2.9 pattern. If Kin'emons fruit turns out to be the Fuku Fuku I wouldn't be surprised. The changing clothes ability and the "poof" chant is probably a some kind of pun in Japanese. But... I just don't see Kin'emon joining. He doesn't feel like a good fit with the crew. Now if he died and someone else ate his fruit... maybe I could see that happening.
Nobody dies except in flashbacks
