Kingdom
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That last page was epic.
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Interesting but he came out of nowhere Shounen style haha
I mean I know that the general has sent them but still out of nowhere :P
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Interesting but he came out of nowhere Shounen style haha
I mean I know that the general has sent them but still out of nowhere :P
At leas in the case the focus was so close to ouhon that it's not that unbelieveable
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Damn, got goosebumps for a sec. It's not often that a single scene in a manga can make me feel such joy. Guess Banyou grew on me.
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That was awesome. Zhao really put on a display. A couple months ago, I was discussing about the possibility of Mou Ten and Ou Hon's adjutants dying and when the chapter started building up to that moment it was nerve wracking, just the implications, the possible ways it could affect both of them. I am glad you can tell the intensity of the fight.
Gaku'Ei has to die. He has been portrayed as impulsive, even disrespecting his fellow commanders, they don't need him there. With Shin showing up, I can almost see it happening. I just hope Ou Hon gets the kill. That way he "saves Shin" and is salty about it.
I want to see what Denrimi can do. Also did he call for Shin? Or Shin was already on the way? Unless the right is closer. Also makes me wonder whom is with Shin now. How many men did he get this time? 500? 1000? I still can't see why the entire unit should be mobilized. Did Ou Sen sending additional reinforcements besides Shin? He is a crafty guy so maybe this time he can avoid losing Akou as well. Akou thanking Ou Hon was great. Took me by surprise.
Ou Hon's men getting hyped because captain goes back for old man. tears
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Ousen sent a messenger to Shin.
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Yeah but I mean I can see all of this as a trigger for Ou hon. To be honest, if Shin brought a decent amount of men with him Zhao is going to get their ass handed to them with Akou, Shin and Ou hon down there, like Kira has said, Gaku Ei will bite the dust, but the two Zhao "legendary" generals will follow too, it is their destiny, just not right away, but they will. So for now I think Shin saves the day, they suffer casulaties because of a heavy attack and what not, but in the midst of all of this Gaku Ei gets hammered sooner or later. Then they basically again establish a PAT (neutral) position on the left Zhao's flank. And since Shin still didnt get a moment to shine, that should in Shounen's view worry Zhao a lot lol
Also note that it was specifically mentioned that left and right flank are there to only weaken central army so that Ribokou and Ousen can decide the battle in the middle. And since Ribokou had to send this legendary dudes on the left and since I think they will eventually lose, that should mean Ousen will soon have an upper hand, but then Ribokou will again pull some ace from his sleave before the inevitable loss.
P.S. It should probably be quite important also how other battlefields go as I believe in the end the winner of those so Qin… will come to aid the current Qin forces in their time of peril and facing in the face of defeat...I can already see the mountain tribes coming to their aid heh
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Wasnt that the first time that we saw Ousen worrying about something on the battlefield…
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It is announced that Kingdom going to have live-adaptation movie (starring Yamazaki Kento):
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Eh i cant see it. The live action ad they did for the manga anniversary was the best we are getting tbh
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That ad was pretty spectacular.
In regards to the live action, there have been so many bad adaptations of manga/comics that depending on where they focus it could still end up okay.
Doing the introduction with the Mountain bandits and the coup might be a lot easier than Shin's first war against Wei.
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The problematic part Re akways the superhuman abilities done wihin a movie which doesntvhave the budget to pull it off. It ends up looking cheap means that more often than not it looks out of place comic and even actors they hire are usually not exactly top tier material. And thus the adaptation has no chance whatsoever
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New chapter out, pretty great stuff. Looking forward to the next couple of chapters.
! I can't believe that my silly prediction of Ou Sen holding back the Hi Shin Unit was actually used. Now with Shin in that battlefield, Ga Ku'Ei is done for.
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I'd like to quote Shin himself regardings my feelings for this chapter - "Let's get this party started!" :)
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Not gonna lie, that was one of the most epic scenes of the whole manga. And with all their subcommanders displayed it feels like the Hi Shin Unit is truely the elite corps of the whole Qin army.
But, here again some complaining: Riboku had send out 10k, Ousen 8k; that still leaves 50k Zhao in the center against 30k Qin. Riboku still has more then enough man to try to crush the opponent headon, or to send further reinforcements out. Its also somehow forgotten how Moutens wing is extremly weakened and outnumbered, and supposedly just barely hanging on. Any new Zhao troops arriving at his wing could be decisive.
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Not gonna lie, that was one of the most epic scenes of the whole manga. And with all their subcommanders displayed it feels like the Hi Shin Unit is truely the elite corps of the whole Qin army.
But, here again some complaining: Riboku had send out 10k, Ousen 8k; that still leaves 50k Zhao in the center against 30k Qin. Riboku still has more then enough man to try to crush the opponent headon, or to send further reinforcements out. Its also somehow forgotten how Moutens wing is extremly weakened and outnumbered, and supposedly just barely hanging on. Any new Zhao troops arriving at his wing could be decisive.
Im not that sure that Moutens Army has that big of a difference compared to Kisui (or where there numbers stated?), when Makou (20'000) joined the battle Kisui (30'000) already lost so many men against Mouten and his Unit that the armys where even or Zhao even had fewer men (around 25'000). Then after the momentum of the Makou Army they probably lost a whole lot more men they where diverting all men to stop Makou. That completely changed after Riboku killed Makou. Mouten sacrificed a part of the Makou Army to save the "rest". If you look at how Mouten was praised by Ousen i dont think he lost more than half of the Makou-Army, i personally even think he lost fewer than half. So i would say the Mouten-Army has probably around 15'000 men against Kisui probably 20'000 men. But at this point of time Riboku easily can snd futei with 5000 men ans crush mouten…
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I don't think the author ever specified how much of the left wing was actually lost. However, the idea of it being severely weakened might not be the case because: Kisui considered a failure (and he is supposed to be very honest with how he would express a situation), Shin's comment to Mou Ten about the success of his plan on the first day, and even Ou Sen's comment. The strategy Mou Ten has adopted is clearly not playing in favor of Kisui and Batei sending more men would make the center closer in numbers. The left in my opinion has to break the stalemate between the commanders there.
The right has been sent reinforcements because Ou Hon's strategy crippled Zhao's army enough to merit that decision. I might be forgetting, but I don't think the left has been reinforced, that should speak to the condition on that side.
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Shin taunting the adjutant was incredible. Just a little throwback to their days as 300 man commanders. Shin starting to do the kuku laughs, he might grow a pair of lips after this war.
Let me focus on this image:
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(The type of nerding I do:) From the top right, So Sui, a man that keeps getting injured war after war. He is tired, no more getting punked. It is time to show what the first cavalry division of the Hi Shin Unit can do.
Then you got the big boys. One almost lost his head, he is ready to cut heads.
The pretty boys were called turtles. They are looking to get some action. They cannot be upstaged by the pony boys.
The amount of disrespect towards buckteeth is on another level. You show even the recruits faces, but only the teeth for the one and only that blocked Keisha's strike.
The recruits are nervous, what sort of struggle will they face?
The archer brothers: The elder is going to keep shooting everyone down, I hope he gets paired up with Kyou Kai. The younger one, I hope they give him the task of protecting Shin from sneak attacks. Maybe then he will finally shoot.
Naki is ready to roll, he showed that he can be troublesome with only 6 men. Now with his entire clan, I am expecting big things.
Ponyboys talked big, now they have to perform. Last time they were trying to talk down the one and only….Commander, first lieutenant, flexing god: En-san. Those eyes! He has evolved after crossing the river, beware of the responsibility king!
With the party starting some of the things I would like to see:
- Gyou' Un vs. Shin
- The other one vs Kyou Kai
- Gaku 'Ei vs Ou Hon (With the animosity Gaku 'Ei has towards Shin, I wouldn't be surprised if he charges in to avenge Keisha.) It would be too funny if Ou Hon agrees that he would like Shin to die, but he cannot allow it, which makes him salty.
- Bananaji vs Akou
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Is that guy that was around when Shin formed that 5-man group alongside Kyokai, Buckteeth and the brother that later died still around?
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Taku Kei, he has the same rank as Bi Hei.
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Im not that sure that Moutens Army has that big of a difference compared to Kisui (or where there numbers stated?) …........................................................ So i would say the Mouten-Army has probably around 15'000 men against Kisui probably 20'000 men. But at this point of time Riboku easily can snd futei with 5000 men ans crush mouten...
No it wasnt said, but I also am counting with 20k vs 15k
And Riboku didnt need to just send 5k; he can bring 20k to that wing and still has numerical equilibrium in the center. Of course numbers arent everything, but it has been shown that quality-wise the Zhao are not really worse, so its just baffling why a supposedly god-tier commander is just standing by impassively with these advantages.
At least the author could show that he is in some sort of mind game with Ousen where the first to move loses. -
I think that overcommiting troops to either side is risky. Unlike other wars, winning the fight is not as important as holding out until Gyou starves. Riboku rushing could play in favor of Ou Sen. Not to mention, the same problems with Gyou are present with each of the Qin's army. Their rations will run out. Having the Ou Sen army slowly dwindling his forces, with the passing of each day, it takes a further toll on the Qin's armies.
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I have absolutely no idea why no one has posted the link to the new chapter yet…
And people are asking themselves why people are asking when the chapter comes. Cause it is natural, cause they want it and because they have no idea when it is coming and know it wont be posted here as soon as it is So I get ya heh
[http://sensescans.com/reader/read/kingdom/en/50/544/page/4
P](http://sensescans.com/reader/read/kingdom/en/50/544/page/4).S. for me great chapter and displaying some of that instincts general traits from Shin that we have been waiting for!
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I just checked this thread to see if there's new chapter like an hour ago. Nice timing ^^
I rarely check Sense to see if a new chapter is out.
Like how everyone in the unit is trained to work independently. But that's what drills are for.
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Great to see the old Shin back, overruling Ten and showing some growth…
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I have absolutely no idea why no one has posted the link to the new chapter yet…
And people are asking themselves why people are asking when the chapter comes. Cause it is natural, cause they want it and because they have no idea when it is coming and know it wont be posted here as soon as it is
Its the same people in this thread who have read the series for year(s) on the same manga-viewing side on always the same times. They should know where to look if the chapter is out or not.
But thanks nevertheless for the link
I'm split at the chapter. Loved the beginning and the change to the grunts eye perspective, who epxerience this for the the first time. Its a nice change from the generals view of the previous chapters.
Not so sure about the middle: A horse is stepping with force on his chest and he is completely okay? I also hated the archer single-handidly stopping the cav force. It just felt unrealistic as hell.
The end was great with the infantry rallying and the probing force being surrounded. It also gave again focus on the badassness of the 'minor' Hi Shin Unit commanders.History spoilers
! Yeah Shin, you are going to carve your name into the annals of this war but probably not in the way you had hoped
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I get what you're saying, but fighting in this manga is rarely realistic. Fighters don't normally chop armored soldiers as if they're swinging lightsabers. Not to mention we've seen some characters cut through armored soldiers with blunt weapons as well, as if they're erasing their body parts.
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I was going to go and write my usual, but then I thought about the perfect summary.
The turtles had to step up their game before the recruits thought they needed ponies to be strong.
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Yep, talking about realism after seeing a fight like Moubu vs Kanmei, seems pointless to me
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Cant people accept that this is Dynasty Warriors the manga?
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! The moment we have been waiting for.
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Shit's getting exciting! Now will Shin be able to have a good showing or will his lack of practice in leadership end up costing him severely? My bets are on Shing getting humbled by sharingan general dude, but with the outcome of their battle somehow affecting the overall battle in a positive way for the Qin forces.
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I dont buy it.
Its just too much of a 180; Shin went from being a complete idiot who did not even understood the simpliest tactical things to being able to perceive and interpret even these minuscule manouvres and effectively counter-acted them, while being in the midst of battle? And the tactican with an overview of the whole battlefield cant do it?Sorry, lol instincts is not a good enough explanation or on the other hand Shin should have not been depicted as that stupid before, either way it doesnt work (for me, at least)
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Shin can see the enemy making a bunch of small and random movements, and while ten is trying to counter them all shin can see he's trying to feel out aplace to launch the big strike and is determined to snuff that out first, he's not using a lot of tacticsm compared to what was shocking him before
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Shin has awakened his Ultra Instincts.
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I dont buy it.
Its just too much of a 180; Shin went from being a complete idiot who did not even understood the simpliest tactical things to being able to perceive and interpret even these minuscule manouvres and effectively counter-acted them, while being in the midst of battle? And the tactican with an overview of the whole battlefield cant do it?When exactly are you talking about in terms of Shin's stupidity?
Sorry, lol instincts is not a good enough explanation or on the other hand Shin should have not been depicted as that stupid before, either way it doesnt work (for me, at least)
I think it works. When it comes to sports/games I would call myself an instinctual type, so even if I don't know what the overall strategy is, it doesn't really matter, as long as I make a couple predictions/gambles. It is a very reactive game, but with practice you can then force your opponent into a scenario where your strengths lie.
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I'll say it again: the moment we have all been waiting for.
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Why did the tread slow down so much when the thing the complainers were wanting finally happened, like 10 posts a chapter when shin looks bad but 2 when he looks good. Negativity bias?
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Too busy to be more active.
Btw, agree with phoenix more or less. Where was Shin's instinct when he almost got himself killed by chasing Riboku? Couple of days ago? Hara did a really crappy job with, how should I say, the maturation of Shin's strategic instincts.
And the whole separation into 2 general types doesn't sit that well with me. Not the fact that they exist, but that everyone is acknowledging the existence of the 2 types as if they are a perk or an attribute in a video game. Strategist gets +10 to deployment and formations and Instinctual gets +10 to mid battle maneuvers and critical rate? It looks a little silly.
Other than that, it makes at least some sense. A strategist should be better at preparing for the fight and preparing maneuvers for many different scenarios. If something they didn't expect happens, there's a problem. That's where the instinctual should excel at, by being a more hands on person and knowing how to get out of a pinch and turn it into an advantage.
In general, this is what we're seeing here, just overemphasized and maybe a little dumbed down. Perhaps Hara is doing it for the younger readership, but he's not doing the manga any favors with it. That's my take on it, anyways.
It's fun to read, though. And I hope we don't skip scenes next chapter.
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Btw, agree with phoenix more or less. Where was Shin's instinct when he almost got himself killed by chasing Riboku? Couple of days ago? Hara did a really crappy job with, how should I say, the maturation of Shin's strategic instincts.
I didn't read that scene like that at all. In no way did Shin seemed to have been caught in Riboku's ambush. He was just trying to squeeze as much of a chase as he could. This has been brewing since the coalition war. I am okay with Shin being unable to understand what Ou Sen is trying to accomplish. Nor the way he is doing it. He is not there yet. I found that this chapter was perfect because we saw him doing hit and misses, not having an 100% turn, he was failing most of the battle having a couple of good hits here and there.
And the whole separation into 2 general types doesn't sit that well with me. Not the fact that they exist, but that everyone is acknowledging the existence of the 2 types as if they are a perk or an attribute in a video game. Strategist gets +10 to deployment and formations and Instinctual gets +10 to mid battle maneuvers and critical rate? It looks a little silly.
With this I agree completely. It seems to break the fourth wall to make sure we understand that there is a separation. A bit of a cheap way of not having to really show it and just saying it.
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I always try to respond fully, but right now I cannot do it without being a complete En-san's fanboy.
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@K.:
I didn't read that scene like that at all. In no way did Shin seemed to have been caught in Riboku's ambush. He was just trying to squeeze as much of a chase as he could. This has been brewing since the coalition war. I am okay with Shin being unable to understand what Ou Sen is trying to accomplish. Nor the way he is doing it. He is not there yet. I found that this chapter was perfect because we saw him doing hit and misses, not having an 100% turn, he was failing most of the battle having a couple of good hits here and there.
With this I agree completely. It seems to break the fourth wall to make sure we understand that there is a separation. A bit of a cheap way of not having to really show it and just saying it.
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I always try to respond fully, but right now I cannot do it without being a complete En-san's fanboy.
Does en-san have a different haircut in the chapter, it seemed longer but that might have been me flyong through it
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Too busy to be more active.
Btw, agree with phoenix more or less. Where was Shin's instinct when he almost got himself killed by chasing Riboku? Couple of days ago? Hara did a really crappy job with, how should I say, the maturation of Shin's strategic instincts.
And the whole separation into 2 general types doesn't sit that well with me. Not the fact that they exist, but that everyone is acknowledging the existence of the 2 types as if they are a perk or an attribute in a video game. Strategist gets +10 to deployment and formations and Instinctual gets +10 to mid battle maneuvers and critical rate? It looks a little silly.
Other than that, it makes at least some sense. A strategist should be better at preparing for the fight and preparing maneuvers for many different scenarios. If something they didn't expect happens, there's a problem. That's where the instinctual should excel at, by being a more hands on person and knowing how to get out of a pinch and turn it into an advantage.
In general, this is what we're seeing here, just overemphasized and maybe a little dumbed down. Perhaps Hara is doing it for the younger readership, but he's not doing the manga any favors with it. That's my take on it, anyways.
It's fun to read, though. And I hope we don't skip scenes next chapter.
Thx for this post, articulated what i wanted to say pretty much.
This entire instinctual vs strategic is way too cartoonish and caricaturic for the rest of the manga. -
Execution probably could've been better, yeah, but, well, I'm glad we're finally getting a moment where Shin actually takes full command of his troops when he's the goddamn leader
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@Long:
Does en-san have a different haircut in the chapter, it seemed longer but that might have been me flyong through it
You mean General En-san, the fire starter, river crosser, what is but a mere Zhao cavalry to his sense of duty!…okay I am not ready yet.
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I wonder if it will come into play for Ka Ryo Ten when dealing with a gigabrain strategist from Chu where she will win with instinct.
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Too bad, but understandable that next week we have a break. Otherwise, I really enjoyed the chapter. As Razh said, the entire instinct vs strategic thing is overplayed and is getting too much of a focus. It was fine when it was a layman's terms. But now everyone is using and recognizing what type of strategist is commanding the troops. It is a bit ridiculous. Can't the strategist just be shitty? Or, just making a couple of bad moves before getting the hang of it.
I just cannot help but giggle with the author's sense of humor. I wonder what type of story would he tell if the historical aspect of Kingdom was not present. A couple of chapters ago Bihei was the only one that his teeth were shown instead of his face. This chapter:
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Afterwards, Bihei is on the floor pretending to be dead, how Shin was getting a couple of good hits, but failing otherwise getting frustrated about the reports. Ignoring Bihei's squad altogether, his men complaining he was spiting on them, I cannot wait for him to start his next campaign as general. Everyone is so fired up, the rookies being shocked that what was happening was only a warm up. Naki doing great things. Not breaking a sweat.
But a separate paragraph had to be made for the man of the hour, the bringer of flames, the conqueror of rivers, the flexing god En-san. Those eyes did not betray my expectations. What a journey, from a guy that was supposed to just drop Shin off at Ou Ki's palace.
If the chapter had ended with: Gyou'Un-kun! Kukuku. I died.
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Good showing of the whole Unit. En is the best, but also Naki did great…
Gyouun not just did good because of his Instinct, he can use his isntinct so well against Strategist because he was trained by Rhinshojou wo was one himself...
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Chapter 547: Glaive's Lament
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I mean he isn't entirely wrong