When chapter 601 was published, we could see that Luffy had mastered the ability to use Gear Second only in desired parts of his body. We could see this from the steam that was now coming only out of the used part, as opposed to coming out of the whole body. Plus, the pumping motion that was present before was now completely gone. It implied that Luffy's skin only turned pink on the used limb; same principle as armament haki.
But when the anime episode of this chapter came out, we were surprised to see the pumping motion, and all of Luffy's body in Gear Second mode, and the steam coming out of all Luffy's body.
I remember at the time, there were complaints, and there was a rumor that said that the animators admitted their mistake and that it was going to be corrected in future episodes. As you know, it was not. So I'm really wondering, is this new feature of the Gear Second so unimportant that the anime just ignores it? Or maybe I'm wrong, and Luffy uses GS in all of his body even after two years, and in that case the steam only coming out of his hand is just Oda confusing the readers? Frankly, I doubt it. It seems to me totally useless that the only new feature of the GS is that it can now be activated from Luffy's limb of choice. And that's what they're implying in the anime. What do you guys think?
Post Time-skip Gear Second in the Anime
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I just hope Luffy sometime states his new use of gear second so the animators will be trapped in a corner and will have to make up some bullshit excuse.
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I really hope so too, I want this to be very important to the story.
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This is one thing that pisses me off about that anime, along with the fact that Gear Third still looks the same even though Luffy mastered it so that the air sits in one area instead of his entire arm after the timeskip (which really makes no sense when it's done right with Elephant Gun, but not with Giant Pistol). It would make it more epic if for the most part Luffy used Gear Second on individual parts of his body, and only used it on his full body when fighting powerful dudes.
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So had anyone even considered the fact that oda told them about it. Or that he's perfectly fine with it, and told them to keep it that way?
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So had anyone even considered the fact that oda told them about it. Or that he's perfectly fine with it, and told them to keep it that way?
Eiichiro doesn't have constant contact with the studio. Doubt he contacted them about it.
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I don't think they've contacted him about it at all. And if there is something we've learned, it's that Oda doesn't do something for nothing. If he decided that this would be the new Gear Second, then be sure it's going to come back and slap you in the face several chapters ahead. Besides, why the hell would they want to keep it that way? It doesn't make any sense that Luffy spent two freaking years training just to be able to do the same GS just activated from a different part of his body! Maybe, just maybe they want to keep it because it would be a pain to change it, and they know that the anime will now always have his fans, so they can fuck with it as they please and it will still be popular. This is a lack of respect to the original work, to Eiichiro Oda. Either do a faithful adaptation or don't. Don't start good and then mess things up and still call the thing "a faithful adaptation". Another thing, are you guys okay with with what the anime implies about Sanji? Spent two years training with Ivankov, learned skywalk, bluewalk, and surely some other cool stuff, and somehow, he still needs to spin to activate Diable Jambe. -_-
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I don't think they've contacted him about it at all. And if there is something we've learned, it's that Oda doesn't do something for nothing. If he decided that this would be the new Gear Second, then be sure it's going to come back and slap you in the face several chapters ahead. Besides, why the hell would they want to keep it that way? It doesn't make any sense that Luffy spent two freaking years training just to be able to do the same GS just activated from a different part of his body! Maybe, just maybe they want to keep it because it would be a pain to change it, and they know that the anime will now always have his fans, so they can fuck with it as they please and it will still be popular. This is a lack of respect to the original work, to Eiichiro Oda. Either do a faithful adaptation or don't. Don't start good and then mess things up and still call the thing "a faithful adaptation". Another thing, are you guys okay with with what the anime implies about Sanji? Spent two years training with Ivankov, learned skywalk, bluewalk, and surely some other cool stuff, and somehow, he still needs to spin to activate Diable Jambe. -_-
Toei would actually save money by not animating the pumping motion, so I don't see the logic to keep it.
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1)Because the pumping motion and stance is now iconic.
2)Because the anime is awful and why do you still expect anything from it.
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True, Sewil.
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Aren't you guys like forgetting the mechanics of Gear 2?
It pumps blood around the entire body at a faster rate allowing Luffy to move faster.
If Luffy could cut off circulation to other parts of his body then maybe he could use it in specific areas. Sure when we saw it in the manga for the first time it looked epic but (even though I dislike it in the anime version) Toei are doing things right
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How about it is just Oda who stopped showing the pumping motion, he only has 18 pages every week why waste panels every time for something we already seen 100 times.
In the anime the can just add it in so it would save them 1 second of useless scenery time. Just like diable jambe needs friction to be activated. I think you picked 2 rather insignificant examples that I would like to keep in the anime. Both Gear second and diable jambe are far fetched and the way they activate those abilities at least gives it a bit of explanation. Sanji turning his leg on fire without devil fruit would be weird, and Luffy being able to make his blood flow without pumping does not look right either.
There are worse things that the animators don't translate right from manga to anime.
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Yeah I'm with the last guy who posted. I don't see how it would even be the slightest bit possible for sanji or luffy to do those techniques without the spinning or pumping motions, regardless of training. I think Ida is just saving panel time by not showing those motions.
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I thought Oda should've just had Sanji smash his foot against something to activate Diable Jambe post-skip. It's faster, and it's like a flint or match, yeah? Spinning around makes a good visual (and makes sense in One Piece's unique way) so it's no surprise that the anime has kept it even if the manga has retired or omitted the motion.
Luffy still activates Gear Second via pumping, anyway. In both mediums.
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Saving panel time? -_- What a poorly thought argument. First of all, there is no reason for Oda to take up a whole panel to do the pumping motion, he could have just done it in the panel that is reserved to the activation of Gear Second. Here: (Chapter 601-Shabondy)
! http://z.mfcdn.net/store/manga/106/61-601.0/compressed/top_601_sleepyfans.13.jpg This is a panel that is dedicated to the activation, instead of just Luffy's arm and steam, he would simply add the pumping motion. No panel wasted! Oh and, Oda just wanted to 'omit' the steam coming out of Luffy's face and rest of body, right?
Second and MOST important of all, this is the FIRST time Luffy uses gear second after the time-skip. Don't you think it's important? Oda would show every bit of it, and he did. There was no apparent pumping. Besides, do you really think that Luffy has spent two years training to activate gear second from his arm, period? o_o If so, you think that Oda would leave the fans in a state of confusion by 'omitting' the pumping motion of first time after time-skip gear second? No, he would show it all, at least for the first time. And this is exactly what he did. And later in the manga, he did occasionally omit the activation of the new gear second, because we now understand how it works.Another thing for those who try to use logic to justify the mistakes of the anime, I will ask you this: You believe that Sanji can now light his body on fire, just like that! But somehow, he just can't handle a Diable Jambe without spinning?? … Still not convinced? Look at those pages, and try to convince yourselves he still spins: (Chapter 635-Fishman Island)
! http://z.mfcdn.net/store/manga/106/64-635.0/compressed/j11.jpg (Chapter 646-Fishman Island)
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I'm glad I'm not the only one who finds that shit annoying. It's seriously irritating as fuck.
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It's pretty obvious that Oda is okay with the pumping mechanics of G2.
The guy supervised and produced Film Z, where Luffy used the pre-skip stance and later on, activated G2 just by clenching his fist during the movie's climax.I agree with Robby that the pumping motion and stance is still very iconic. The same way Goku's Kamehameha stance is iconic.
In fact, the anime only uses the pre-skip stance very rarely since Episode 517.It's ridiculous to get mad over something like that, especially when the creator himself seems to be completely fine with it.
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I've already talked about how Sanji generates his flames using evidence from the manga.
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http://lounge.moviecodec.com/manga/one-piece-discussion-thread-97073/110Post #2208
[http://lounge.moviecodec.com/manga/one-piece-discussion-thread-97073/111P](http://lounge.moviecodec.com/manga/one-piece-discussion-thread-97073/111)osts #1028, #1029, and #1031
[http://lounge.moviecodec.com/vs-general/one-piece-vs-discussion-thread-how-strong-they-are-abilities-etc-291098/52A](http://lounge.moviecodec.com/vs-general/one-piece-vs-discussion-thread-how-strong-they-are-abilities-etc-291098/52)lso Oda is probably fine with the anime because he doesn't care about it or even considers it part of his manga. It's non-canon anyways.
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It would be silly to assume that Oda doesn't care about the anime. There are hundreds of mangaka that would give their right arm to get an anime adaptation of their work.
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It seems like Luffy doesn't need to pump anymore to activate G2. That's pretty crazy.
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It's Toei, waht do you expect?
They take one glance and go.
They've made so amny mistakes, destroyed so many jokes and just half-asses most things…
i really wish they wouldn't, but nooooo. It's just their 'cow' to be 'milked' so they can get profits, but because it ain't their most popular one they're like 'fuck it this'll do have some shittily animated faces voila' -
It would be silly to assume that Oda doesn't care about the anime. There are hundreds of mangaka that would give their right arm to get an anime adaptation of their work.
Of course he cares about it but I meant that he simply doesn't consider it part of his work.
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Also, for those of you that don't read the manga heres Luffy using Gear 2nd with no visible pumping and note the steam only coming off of his leg.
http://starkana.com/manga/O/One_Piece/chapter/629/6
Luffy jumping into the air and activating Gear 2nd with no pumping. And again, note the smoke only coming off of his arm.
http://starkana.com/manga/O/One_Piece/chapter/656/4 http://starkana.com/manga/O/One_Piece/chapter/656/5
Luffy activates Gear 2nd instantly in mid air with no pumping. Yet again the steam is only being emitted from his legs.
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Why would he consider it part of his work?
It's an adaptation.
The manga will always be the true, original source material.Thats my point.
It's not really part of his work so even if he does know about the error he doesn't feel the need to correct it because the anime isn't part his actual work.
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Thats my point.
It's not really part of his work so even if he does know about the error he doesn't feel the need to correct it because the anime isn't part his actual work.
I'm not fully knowledgeable on how much input Oda gives to Toei (maybe some of the older members can clear this up), but I remember reading somewhere that he sometimes gives them some info on what particular color schemes to use and what filler devil fruits are okay to use and which aren't.
Although, there have been times when the anime has made certain plotholes that Oda may not have been aware of. (i.e. Zoro cutting steel before Alabasta, Chopper taking two rumble balls during the four Davy Back filler episodes)
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I agree with RedX, the problem with how the anime handles Gear 2 is that it makes fights look silly and inconsistant.
In the manga Luffy can instantly through a jet pistol with no downtime for activation, and be in normal form right after then. Then proceed to use normal attacks on an opponent.
Howver, if they wanted the same thing in the anime, they would show Luffy pumping his arm but going full body G2, through the jet pistol, and then he would have to turn off G2 to continue bashing an opponent with normal attacks. Now through in some more jet attacks after normal attacks, he would have to G2 again.
And look at what Luffy can do with G3 now:
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To the very left you can see Oda highlighting that Luffy can instantly retract a fully blown up arm. How do you think Luffy can do this? For me, the answer is the same as how Luffy can use G2 without pumping. Whats your answer?
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I'm annoyed to. In the manga it makes his look stronger. While in the anime it makes him look weaker.