Nico Robin's History Journal

[ponx]

So in light of the latest chapter (628), we see a new Poneglyph discovered; and that makes me think when was the last time we saw any new revelations about it. Answer: chapter 395 in Ohara, and I had to search my chapter collections to find it.

So I was thinking, wouldn't be nice if we had a thread to record it. So I decided to make one, as thorough as I can at that. I hope its enough to spark a discussion, but if not at least its good enough for reference (I hope)

So, without further ado:

1. The first mention of Poneglyph is at Arabasta, located in the Royal Tomb.

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Taken from chapter 202 pg.18 and chapter 218 pg. 03
! Revealing the existence of Pluton and whereabouts, though the latter is unspecified here

2. Later was at Skypiea, located at the base of the Golden Bell

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Taken from chapter 301 pages 11-14
! Poneglyphs' Translation:
Keep thy motives in heart with closed mouth.
We are those who control history, with the tolling of the belfry.
An "ancient weapon" with the name of a god. "Poseidon"… and its location.
! Robin's Facts:
There are 2 types of Poneglyphs: Tablet of Clues and Tablet of Truth, with the first leading to the 2nd.
The Skypiean Poneglyph is a Tablet of Truth
And the True History will be revealed by combining all of the Tablets of Truth
With the recent chapter (649), Poseidon was revealed to be an ability to talk to, and call forth Sea Kings. An ability born every once in some-hundred years. And now Shirahoshi is the owner of that ability

3. Ohara Scholars, with Prof. Clover revealing their findings and conclusions regarding those Poneglyphs

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Taken from chapter 395, pages 06-08
! Prof. Clover's Theory:
Clover: Perhaps. Or perhaps it suits YOUR needs to make things thus!!
What we want to know most of all at this point in time,
is not the contents of the Poneglyphs, but their reason for existing.
Why did the people of the past use stone monuments,
to leave some message for the future…
They carved history into unbreakable stone and spread them around the world...
Is it not because their message could be destroyed on mere books and paper?!
Clear proof that the people who left them had ENEMIES!!
! Clover: If we assume those people were wiped out by some "enemy,"
it means those enemies should have survived later in history.
Coincidentally enough...
800 years ago, at the end of the Lost 100 Years,
was the precise birth of today's "World Government."
If the enemy of those eradicated peoples is our World Government,
then the "Lost 100 Years"
could easily be a piece of INCONVENIENT HISTORY that the World Government needed to stamp out...!!!
From the ancient writings of the few Poneglyphs we HAVE found,
we have learned of the existence of a nation... One which no longer exists in any form,
but still appears in those messages.
An ENORMOUS KINGDOM...!!
! Clover: They seem to have held great power once,
but the information about this kingdom has been carefully erased.
As they knew of their imminent defeat by the alliance
that would later be called the World Government,
they carved the truth into stone, to give to the future.
Those are the Poneglyphs that still exist today...!!!
! Clover: The Ancient Weapons are truly a threat to the world!!! BUT!!
More importantly, the existence and ideals of this country,
that threaten to be brought to light again are the GREATEST threat to your World Government!!!
I will not know what threat this is until it is revealed,
but the name of this once-mighty kingdom,
which holds all the keys, was--

4. Fishman Island, located somewhere in the Forest of the Sea

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Taken from Chapter 628 page 15, and Chapter 649 page 16-18
! Robin's Facts:
This Poneglyph is different in content from the rest. It was actually more of an apology letter from "Joy Boy"
! Neptune's Explanations:
The Poneglyhp was an apology letter from Joy Boy (a certain man that lived during the Void Century) towards Poseidon (the Mermaid Princess of that era, the wielder of Sea King summoning ability)
The apology was due to Joy Boy's inability to fulfill his promise, the details of that promise wasn't known
But the promise involves Joy Boy, Poseidon, and the ship Noah (which was made to be pulled by Sea Kings). And the promise will eventually be fulfilled by someone else, someone will guide Poseidon and make use of the ship and the Sea Kings to change the world. So Poseidon itself is both the name of one of the Ancient Weapons and the name of an ancient mermaid princess. Hence, by having the same power as her predecessor, Princess Shirahoshi is now the current Poseidon.

[Strawhat Chan]

Do you guys think that they will find another Poneglyph on Elbaf? The Giants live for centuries, and if the Fish-people turn out to be allies of the Ancient Kingdom, I don't see any reason why Giants can't be. Another point I just remembered: The Sunny Pirates and the Giant Warrior Pirates are both infamous pirate crews, originate from these two islands. Not to mention that the Elbaf Giants seem to be the only Giants who oppose the Government, as the other marine Giants don't look like they're from Elbaf.

[FrankyFan]

Are the "poneglyphs" in Impel Down worth mentioning?

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[ponx]

@FrankyFan:

Are the "poneglyphs" in Impel Down worth mentioning?

! [qimg]http://img837.imageshack.us/img837/2546/poneglyphimpeldown.jpg[/qimg]

Well, first off. I dont think that one is a Poneglyph, just because I doubt that the World Govt. will just let that one there like that. If it were a real Poneglyph, I think they'd take it away, or at least not put it in such obvious place. But, in the unlikely case that it is a real one. Then I still wouldn't put it here, because we don't know what it says. We dont know where they stand regarding the World Govt. or if the Giant Squad got anyone from Elbaf or not

And @Strawhat Chan, I think finding one in Elbaf is not surprising. Since the 2 Poneglyphs we found lies somewhere with history of ancient civilization. Tho I would argue about ur generalizations of Elbaf giants, we still dont know much. All we know is that they love to fight and have this norse theme to em.

[FrankyFan]

@ponx:

Well, first off. I dont think that one is a Poneglyph, just because I doubt that the World Govt. will just let that one there like that. If it were a real Poneglyph, I think they'd take it away, or at least not put it in such obvious place. But, in the unlikely case that it is a real one. Then I still wouldn't put it here, because we don't know what it says. We dont know where they stand regarding the World Govt. or if the Giant Squad got anyone from Elbaf or not

I can understand you not including it now. I'm just saying it is something to think about as we see objects similair looking to the Poneglyphs three different times in Level 3 of Impel Down.

[ponx]

True, it does seem that Impel Down is somewhat an ancient remnant of some sort, so I get where ur line of thinking comes from. Though keep in mind that similarities are just that: Similarities.

I mean, I know Oda is great and all, but he's not Tolkien in a sense that he have created his own language in Merfolk, Giants and what-have-you. Let alone creating such details as runes and writings. My point is, most likely he is just using some sort of basic template for ancient writings.

[blue-san]

That in ID is no poneglyph I mean come on people. Sometimes I ask myself if people only post such ideas because they want to be unique and first to discover new things.

Great thread though an important one for the future at least

[ponx]

@blue-san:

That in ID is no poneglyph I mean come on people. Sometimes I ask myself if people only post such ideas because they want to be unique and first to discover new things.

Great thread though an important one for the future at least

I'm not saying that there isn't any poneglyphs in Impel Down. Just saying that if there is one, then most likely the World Govt had taken it somewhere else, or at least not put it somewhere that obvious.

[hreinnbeno]

@blue-san:

That in ID is no poneglyph I mean come on people. Sometimes I ask myself if people only post such ideas because they want to be unique and first to discover new things.

Great thread though an important one for the future at least

I truthfully think that what we have seen in ID are only monuments with the poneglyph language written on them, like there was a lot of stones in skypea with the language butnot the real poneglyph. But that makes the likelyhood that there is a poneglyph in the ID, only we havent seen it.

[ponx]

@hreinnbeno:

I truthfully think that what we have seen in ID are only monuments with the poneglyph language written on them, like there was a lot of stones in skypea with the language butnot the real poneglyph. But that makes the likelyhood that there is a poneglyph in the ID, only we havent seen it.

Exactly what I had in mind

Anyway, just a tad bit of info. Since I think Stephen's translation is the undisputed truth around here. I will update those records accordingly when his translations are up to the respective chapter (might take a while though)

[Mugiwara_no_Ice]

You forgot the one we saw in Robin's flashback just before she met Crocodile. ch398 p6 or so. the jungle poneglyph.

[ponx]

@Mugiwara_no_Ice:

You forgot the one we saw in Robin's flashback just before she met Crocodile. ch398 p6 or so. the jungle poneglyph.

Hmm, yes as a matter of fact I did miss that one. Thanks for letting me know. Tho we don't know what it says, it certainly wouldn't hurt to put it as a side note or something. I'll put it tomorrow I guess, its getting late

[javimgol]

Congratulations for all the info,ponx, this thread has automatically been bookmarked.
Robin is my favourite character of any series, and of course one of the biggest motivations for it is that she is the key to discover the True Story, the most important sub-plot of One Piece

[Cymelion]

Nice thread and may have some interesting things to be added this arc too if we're lucky.

[Gia Sado]

Honestly, this should be a very interesting and great thread to come. It really talks about one of the least discussed topics on this forum. Many people who read one piece forget about something so major like this (because its so fricking good in other places).

[kmohyudin]

A question that have been in my mind for a long time now, and this seems like the right place to discuss it.

If my understanding is correct, there are two types of poneglyphs in existence. Those that contain information, and those that contain location of other poneglyphs. So far, we have only seen poneglyphs containing information of WMD's. We know that they do contain information regarding the true history… then there is that quote from Robin in Skypea that the collective information of all the poneglyphs is the Rio poneglyph... Now... how does information regarding WMD really fit into the whole true history thing??

Also, far as I can remember we have only seen one poneglyph that tells the location of others (in Skypea)... shouldn't these be more? And the one in ID can be this one...

[Don Quichotte De Flamingo]

I was asking myself if the WG rly takes away those poneglyphs they can find.
I mean most of them are good hidden, so the WG may never see them on some island, but at FI the poneglyph seems like it could be found rly easily and judging from the position of the poneglyph at Skypia, there should actually many exist, who arent hidden at all. My guess would be, that the WG takes away those obvious visible poneglyphs from major citys(so that the people dont ask themself what its good for)like burying them on the island or something like that ,but the rest they dont even have to care about.
Nearly nobody can read them and they`re undestroyable, so putting them all together somewhere nobody can find them, would just be wasted energie.

[ponx]

@Don:

I was asking myself if the WG rly takes away those poneglyphs they can find.
I mean most of them are good hidden, so the WG may never see them on some island, but at FI the poneglyph seems like it could be found rly easily and judging from the position of the poneglyph at Skypia, there should actually many exist, who arent hidden at all. My guess would be, that the WG takes away those obvious visible poneglyphs from major citys(so that the people dont ask themself what its good for)like burying them on the island or something like that ,but the rest they dont even have to care about.
Nearly nobody can read them and they`re undestroyable, so putting them all together somewhere nobody can find them, would just be wasted energie.

True, IF it were the present Govt., but bear in mind, that in their early rule, one of the things they will fear the most is the rise of their old enemy. So such traces must be destroyed or hidden. Plus the fact that there is still Robin on the loose, so I doubt they'd take that risk. But it depends on the Gorousei though

[maxterdexter]

@FrankyFan:

Are the "poneglyphs" in Impel Down worth mentioning?

Nope.

In the volume raws those are clearly cell bars.

Loss of quality of the change of size for the magazine caused the mistake.

[FrankyFan]

@maxterdexter:

Nope.

In the volume raws those are clearly cell bars.

Loss of quality of the change of size for the magazine caused the mistake.

What you're talking about is a low quality panel in Level 4 of Impel Down. I have the English volumes and I can see clear ancient writing on the page I put up.

[Sir Ilpalazzo]

Hopefully there's no problem with me doing this, since Stephen did remove these translations from his site (if you don't want this link here, ask me and I'll remove it), but his translations are still on the Wayback Machine. Personally, I think it would be best to include these in the opening post for now.

http://web.archive.org/web/20090316090432/http://www.mangascreener.com/stephen/onepiece/onepiece.html

@kmohyudin:

A question that have been in my mind for a long time now, and this seems like the right place to discuss it.

If my understanding is correct, there are two types of poneglyphs in existence. Those that contain information, and those that contain location of other poneglyphs. So far, we have only seen poneglyphs containing information of WMD's. We know that they do contain information regarding the true history… then there is that quote from Robin in Skypea that the collective information of all the poneglyphs is the Rio poneglyph... Now... how does information regarding WMD really fit into the whole true history thing??

We can't say for sure, but if Clover's hypothesis applies to all poneglyphs, then the ancient kingdom specifically decided to leave information about the weapons behind because they were used in the conflict between the ancient kingdom and the organization that would become the World Government. I guess the simplest theory would be that the 20 kings or whatever got their hands on a superweapon(s), and the ancient kingdom, realizing their defeat was at hand, started creating the poneglyphs. But who knows if Oda would go that route.

Alternately, the ancient kingdom left that information behind because they felt the superweapons would be necessary for defeating the government created by their enemies in the future, but I can't see One Piece doing something like that.

[ponx]

Thanks Sir Ilpalazzo, I just updated the first page. Not with the link though, just the translation for the corresponding page.

Regarding the Poneglyph, well I guess what u said is a proper guess from what we've seen so far. Far too many questions are still left, Why they were created (to counter some enemies or just for technological experiments?), What are they exactly (gigantic canons? battleships? giant robots? like the one if Final Fantasy 7), How many of them are created, and much more

[brennen.exe]

I don't know if this is really worth mentioning here or not, or perhaps better off in the world history thread– or maybe I somehow skipped over someone else mentioning it in here-- but when the Five Elder Stars met in chapter 594, they mentioned how it was problematic that the name (or initial) "D." has become "rather too exposed at this point." I know we all know that the Will of D. is related to the lost history, so again I'm not really sure where this bit of info fits, but I thought it was worth mentioning with all the lost history stuff. It's one of the plot threads I haven't paid nearly enough attention to, so I forget the details.

[ponx]

@ Brennen:
Well, I guess its worth mentioning. I mean, since it would also be a part of that Lost History and most likely we'll get the explanation through a Poneglyph as well.

But about the "Will of the D", one thing I noticed that Oda has been very careful in making every single D ever introduced to the story, change the world in one way or another.

! Gol D Roger = nuff said
Jaguar D Saul = it is because of him that we have the only one (supposedly) to be able to decipher the ancient language
Portgas D Rouge = forced herself to give birth to Ace
Monkey D Garp = made a decision to save Ace (plus I'd like to think that Garp was one of the reason Roger was willing to turn himself to the Marines)
Portgas D Ace = triggered Marineford War, with the direct result of shifting the state of the world
Monkey D Dragon = we haven't got the details yet, but surely pioneering a revolution is enough
Marshall D Teach = we don't know how exactly yet, but we'll definitely get there later
Monkey D Luffy = without a doubt will be the one to fulfill the will of the D, whatever that is

And from what I can gather (though I guess it is kinda obvious):

Starting The Great Pirate Age, meaning more people sailing around the world, more likely the Poneglyphs will be found. Saving the only child to be able to read it. Up to here, it leads to ensuring that the True History will be found and revealed.

Ace's role is crucial to shift the current status quo (so important it took 2 Ds to ensure his birth ), that much is clear. Now from here on its just speculations; with the Revolutionaries, Blackbeard's newly gained power and the "chosen" D comes into play.

Dragon and Blackbeard have 1 thing they want in common, and that is Power. Though to what end they will use it, is the exact opposite. Now this is where the Ancient Weapons comes into play, I think both of them will want those weapons and will try to seek them. And I think after the war, the OPverse is leaning towards the need for those weapons. An arms race, if u will (with Luffy of course being the final victor).

So I guess all in all, the Lost History is to tell the truth about the world. The Ancient Weapons to give u power if u decide to do something about it (which Roger decided not to). And the Ds are the ones bearing those tasks.

[Fury283]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume something.

I believe those with the Will of D, are 'survivors' of this destroyed Civilization in some way. The Will of D, with this assumption, will involve effecting the World Government in someway that it will collapse or be crippled by the very thing they probably destroyed. Coming full circle.

This is just a theory though.

As for the Poneglyphs, hmmm… I agree with the above post in some aspects. Though since Nico Robin is the only(maybe) one who can read them, they are characters in a retelling of History, and the Poneglyphs is the path.. or pages of the book as the D's possibly recreate what might of happened. It's hard to say at this point IMO, but I like going over the theories.

Edit:
Actually Urouge said it best with a post in the Legacies, Parallels, and Fate thread. With the fact of Reincarnation and the such.. I posted this before even reading it and agree with it fully.
http://apforums.net/showthread.php?t=30542&p=2281114&viewfull=1#post2281114
That is his post.

[brother-red]

this Joyboy seems like a D :ninja: if it is Gol D Roger who wrote the poneglyph(or however you speel it) joyboy must be very important and powerfull, the first thought is that he was from "the centuary". But then he'd be very very very old to know roger, I really long to hear more about joyboy

edit: after i read Urouge long and really interesting theory I REALLY long to hear about joyboy, I dont think it was roger who wrote the poneglyph after thinking but its not completely out off the picture

[Baou Zakurga]

Here's some of my thoughts:

The moon people from the walls on Enels mini arc(I'm not talking about the spaceys) came to earth long before the WG was formed.The Shandorians group had modern tech/electricity and their gold was used as a conductor.The 20 kingdom people stole their tech and killed out a large number of Shandorians,and the later gens wouldnt know about their past. And something about the Posiden weapon.

I also think that they,had the tech to carve the poneglyphs and 'published' all of the poneglyphs

[ponx]

I've updated my first post in the lights of the latest chapter. Still no pic yet though, to tired, prolly 2mrw. But anyway, this is one the biggest revelations we've had for quite a while. We now know exactly what (or who), and where Poseidon is. And what it can do. Plus that extra treat of the "Promised Time", with Noah and the Sea Kings is interesting as well. I can imagine at the final battle Noah finally emerging, pulled by Sea Kings, probably filled with the entire Neptune's Royal Army