@Galaxy: do you have an opinion of what has been happening then?
One Piece Mafia: Part II
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@Galaxy: do you have an opinion of what has been happening then?
Yeah. Voting SUDK is pretty stupid. If the reason is just because he isn't adding much to the talks, then you could lynch a few more people as well for that.
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@Galaxy:
Yeah. Voting SUDK is pretty stupid. If the reason is just because he isn't adding much to the talks, then you could lynch a few more people as well for that.
Then who do you think we should lynch?
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Then who do you think we should lynch?
No lynch would be the best bet for the day. Nothing really to go off of at the moment.
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oh my mistake, completely missed this line.
@Almighty:
These are then shuffled for players to choose from. Once a player has taken both a number and letter, they are removed and cannot be chosen again.
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@Galaxy:
No lynch would be the best bet for the day. Nothing really to go off of at the moment.
What do you think of SuDoKu fishing for the bomb?
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What do you think of SuDoKu fishing for the bomb?
Doesn't seem like a bad thing. I think he's justified in trying to do so. Nothing to lynch him over.
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A no lynch seems acceptable for today but I wouldn't expect shocking revelations tomorrow morning either. Personally I would prefer a lynch happening if possible so:
Unvote. Vote Lynch: SomebodyUDon'tKnow
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trapped: Why did you add a second vote to KI's "wagon"? Was he ever/is he still a suspect?
It was a random vote. He's actually become a bit suspicious after that, but I won't say further about this until… later on.
trapped, what is your view of Huschel and Galaxy? Not couplewise
Shakky baby is always psychobabeliciously sexy and Galaxy should learn from her more.
… And the former is giving me town vibes so far but it's only the first day. Galaxy's largely reactive right now, so that's a bit suspicious.
Harvy-chan, I think I kinda missed how SUDK is searching for the bomb?
Galaxy, in what way is SUDK 'justified in searching for the bomb'?
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Nevermind my question, Harvy. I missed this post.
@SomebodyUDon'tKnow:
I'm just saying that on day one everything is duller than usual. Speculation of ideas and theories may invoke some replies of that nature.
With this bomb power, I think that it would be wise to try to discover this person first (should there be one), as if the vigilante were to kill, we may lose two townies at once.
Though he could also be a back up plan because, assuming the Mafia can kill, he could off himself and a Mafia in the same night, slimming the odds to (No. of Town):1My question to Galaxy still stands though, because I don't see how this is a good reason.
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Vote Count: With nine alive it takes five to lynch.
Kitsune Inferno [1]: trappedolphin
SomebodyUDon'tKnow [3]: Shuhan, Harvady Alumnus, Huschel
Giraffe Lord Voldemore [2]: Kitsune Inferno
No Lynch [1]: vorlianis
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vorlianis has been killed. He was the Vigilante (every night he could choose a target to visit- that target would die). He was aligned with the Town. Current Players Alive
1. Shuhan
2. Harvady Alumnus
3. Galaxy 9000
4. Kitsune Inferno
5. Wooden_Giraffe
6. SomebodyUDon'tKnow
7. trappedolphin
8. HuschelVote Count: With eight alive it takes five to lynch. Not Voting [8]: Galaxy 9000, Wooden_Giraffe, SomebodyUDon'tKnow, trappedolphin, Shuhan, Harvady Alumnus, Huschel, Kitsune Inferno Day Two has begun. You have 48 hours to decide a lynch.
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wait, the game began and nobody told me?!
WHAT'S GOING ON HERE -
vote lynch: SomebodyUDontKnow
For now I will begin where I left off. Tracker, if you exist and you tracked on Vor, please report.
Huschel: Did you have any other reason for voting SuDoKu other than to achieve a lynch?
Kitsune: still waiting on your answers to my questions.
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wait, the game began and nobody told me?!
WHAT'S GOING ON HEREThis is another one.
vote lynch: SomebodyUDontKnow
For now I will begin where I left off. Tracker, if you exist and you tracked on Vor, please report.
Huschel: Did you have any other reason for voting SuDoKu other than to achieve a lynch?
Kitsune: still waiting on your answers to my questions.
Not having a lot of time for the moment but i suppose you have a reason for saying specifically me?
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…because your dead...
And not supposed to post...
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XD Vor…
And Shushu, do you realise that that question risks outing a bomb?
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Speculation in general can help thought processes along, but that kind of thinking can be done quietly. Publicly searching for roles is deserving of a lynch. Both Shuhan and SomebodyUDon'tKnow have committed such an act. Naturally, I voted both of them. But all this power talk is starting to get really weird.
Shuhan calls out for a mayor, Kitsune Inferno is a mayor as evidenced by his double vote.
SomebodyUDon'tKnow asks around for a bomb with the pretense of protecting a vigilante. vorlianis flips vigilante.I don't like calling it a coincidence, but I would be wasting time otherwise.
Shuhan's call is peculiar because it is redundant. You don't need to hunt for a mayor. The vote count does that for you. If the mayor had made any attempt to hide, it would have outed them as suspect. Rather than let the mayor run the risk of exposing himself to suspicion, Shuhan asks the mayor to step forward. This foils any attempt that the mayor had to hide. But as town, we want mafia to protect themselves because that's how we find them.
Shuhan, I feel that stimulating discussion could have been done without involving another player's role. What made you look outward, instead of running a gambit on yourself? The chance of a mayor being mafia is 2 in 9. Why put a mayor at risk instead of yourself? Is not that self-serving?
SomebodyUDon'tKnow's call seems like an imitation, as though role fishing is the new conversation starter. The fact that power discussion was going on at all was weird. There's no point in openly asking about someone else's role. It is the biggest tell. It wasn't even subtle. This is a vote on principle really. We lynch these offenders so people won't try it themselves, but it apparently doesn't work that way.
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Bogie-chan-sama, should we assume that the mafia team has a killing power in general, regardless of what the individual players' abilities are? Sorry if you've already mentioned this…
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Woops, I forgot all about this… Gimme some time and I'll properly address everything. :I
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XD Vor…
And Shushu, do you realise that that question risks outing a bomb?
Which question are you referring too?
@Harvady:
Shuhan, I feel that stimulating discussion could have been done without involving another player's role. What made you look outward, instead of running a gambit on yourself? The chance of a mayor being mafia is 2 in 9. Why put a mayor at risk instead of yourself? Is not that self-serving?
I'm not in the habit of lying, if I ran a gambit on myself, I would have been lying. The fact of the matter is, you answered your own question. The reason I wanted to out the mayor was because that is the easiest to discover, why not come out right away? If he is town, there really is only one thing to worry about and that is death. However, if he is town and is killed, that means that the mafia would have played into our hands…I posted did I not that if we had a tracker to choose carefully. Given the course of events that I started yesterday, and we have a competent tracker, they would have targeted Kitsune, thusly catching someone in the act.
Now you may say, well obviously that didn't happen, Vorlianis is dead. Meaning we are dealing with a mafia that has a pretty good grasp on how to play effectively. They targeted a player that wasn't in the spotlight. Kitsune is still alive and that can mean one of two things
1: he's town and the mafia didn't want to risk being detected first night out
2: he's mafia and he had nothing to fear.Now onto my next point, if Vor was a vig, why is there only one death? I'll leave that for you to decide...
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Vote Count: With eight alive it takes five to lynch. SomebodyUDon'tKnow [1]: Shuhan Shuhan [3]: Kitsune Inferno**,** Huschel
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However, if he is town and is killed, that means that the mafia would have played into our hands…I posted did I not that if we had a tracker to choose carefully. Given the course of events that I started yesterday, and we have a competent tracker, they would have targeted Kitsune, thusly catching someone in the act.
You do realize that this is a tracker and not a watcher that you are talking about. Targeting Kitsune Inferno as a tracker doesn't make a lot of sense.
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@Harvady:
You do realize that this is a tracker and not a watcher that you are talking about. Targeting Kitsune Inferno as a tracker doesn't make a lot of sense.
Sonova…
I always get their abilities mixed-up...well, that shot my plan to hell :/
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Looking at the wagon trend yesterday, we were substantially divided.
Three advocates for NL: vorlianis, SomebodyUDon'tKnow, Galaxy 9000.
Three on SomebodyUDon'tKnow: Shuhan, Harvady Alumnus, Huschel.
Kitsune Inferno voted (I assume) Wooden_Giraffe.
trappedolphin random voted Kitsune Inferno.
Wooden_Giraffe voted no one, gave stances on no one.For the three lobbying for NL, only one actually voted for it, and he's dead. We only had two wagons going. One of them was for No Lynch. This is serious. At this rate, we aren't going to get anyone lynched.
SomebodyUDon'tKnow, why didn't you vote No Lynch if you advocated it?
Galaxy 9000, do you think that there's no difference between not voting and voting No Lynch?
Wooden_Giraffe, do you think that you're negatively affecting the town?
trappedolphin, why did you stay with your random vote? Why do you have to wait until 'later on' to make a case?
Huschel, who do you want to vote today? Why?
Shuhan, do you find it odd, perhaps hypocritical, to vote SomebodyUDon'tKnow for doing the same thing you did? Are they even the same?
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I want to lynch somebody who is scummy. As you have said yourself SUDK and Shuhan both were actively looking for roles which is enough on its own to become a suspect (although less so the mayor thing, in my opinion). Then there are those who don't really contribute a lot. I could put almost anybody on that list but especially Galaxy, Wooden and SUDK.
Which makes me want to go after SUDK today.Vote Lynch: SomebodyUDon'tKnow
I would love to hear more from the other players I mentioned as well.
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**@Shuahn:
Huschel: Did you have any other reason for voting SuDoKu other than to achieve a lynch?
I did not. I don't see what other reason would make sense that late in the day.
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Oh hey, I did it again. And I added a typo...**
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@Harvady:
Galaxy 9000, do you think that there's no difference between not voting and voting No Lynch?
Didn't really want to vote it until later… but I forgot to do so.. so yeah.
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I want to lynch somebody who is scummy. As you have said yourself SUDK and Shuhan both were actively looking for roles which is enough on its own to become a suspect (although less so the mayor thing, in my opinion).
Why is it less so?
Then there are those who don't really contribute a lot. I could put almost anybody on that list but especially Galaxy, Wooden and SUDK. Which makes me want to go after SUDK today.
If you feel that way, you should list the inverse! There isn't any point in grouping people together if you group everyone! You say that your secondary criteria is non-contribution, which means that you have chosen a criteria that doesn't narrow down the field of suspects! That makes your hunt look idle and fraudulent!
I did not. I don't see what other reason would make sense that late in the day.
If that is the case, how can you vote SomebodyUDon'tKnow for fishing when you voted him for a completely different reason yesterday?
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Wow, so sorry guys. Didn't realize I'd be so bogged down when I signed up. Bogart, feel free to replace me, I'm not doing anyone any good here.
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Which question are you referring too?
Trying to get Vor's target revealed.
@Shushu:
The reason I wanted to out the mayor was because that is the easiest to discover, why not come out right away?
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So you were outting it for the sake of outting it? It really does sound like you're trying to get as many roles out as possible.
I think you're focusing way too much on abilities here, especially for a game where abilities give literally no clue as to one's alignment.
@Harvady:
trappedolphin, why did you stay with your random vote? Why do you have to wait until 'later on' to make a case?
I stayed on Kitty 'cause I thought the way he claimed so quickly was suspicious, like he was trying to gain towncred. I didn't want to say so then mainly cause it was still too early to tell for sure if that was his goal, so bringing it out would have made him try to act otherwise.
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@Harvady:
Why is it less so?
Because the mayor is far less important than a bomb.
If you feel that way, you should list the inverse! There isn't any point in grouping people together if you group everyone! You say that your secondary criteria is non-contribution, which means that you have chosen a criteria that doesn't narrow down the field of suspects! That makes your hunt look idle and fraudulent!
I…don't agree. I didn't put every player on the same level, I pointed out three people that have been especially inactive.
If that is the case, how can you vote SomebodyUDon'tKnow for fishing when you voted him for a completely different reason yesterday?
And again I don't follow. My reason yesterday was that I wanted to end the day with a lynch. My reason today is role fishing and inactivity. It's not like those reasons are contradictory. In fact I didn't even give much of a reason yesterday which is why I'd like to know what you were referring to.
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@Harvady: you could call it hypocritical, but I don't see it that way. The mayor was going to be found either way, it's tied into the vote posts where everyone can see. Granted, the mayor is more vulnerable right now, but he's still alive.
Now with the bomb, that's different. The bomb usually won't be found until he/she detonates or they reveal. Not to mention that outing the bond is detrimental tithe bomb themselves. If they are town, they would be useless at night. Me finding the mayor is overt different.
@ Trappy: I am not hunting for other roles, just the mayor. Don't put words in my mouth.
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Because the mayor is far less important than a bomb.
I disagree with you. I assert the opposite.
I…don't agree. I didn't put every player on the same level, I pointed out three people that have been especially inactive.
I know that you put out three names, but when you added your modifier: "I could put almost anybody on that list", you are making it less of an accusation and more of an observation. Why discredit your own stance by saying that? It sounds like you are trying to leave your options open, in case the town doesn't like who you choose.
And again I don't follow. My reason yesterday was that I wanted to end the day with a lynch. My reason today is role fishing and inactivity. It's not like those reasons are contradictory. In fact I didn't even give much of a reason yesterday which is why I'd like to know what you were referring to.
At the start of D2:
You joined the wagon on D1 purely out of support. Today, you are voting him for the reason which got the wagon started in the first place. Fishing for bombs "didn't make sense as a reason" for voting him yesterday. Why is it good enough today?
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Okay, I read up finally, though a little halfheartedly. That's why I refuse to answer Shuhan's questions. I feel like he's trying to trap me into saying something that'll get me lynched and flushed out. Honestly, that's fine, it's not really fair to y'alls game since I've been a little unable to focus. But I refuse to let Shuhan's aggressive tactics go unnoticed.
He pushed me to get the mafia to night kill me? Really? That's inconsistent with what you said D1. Vote Lynch: Shuhan
Now, to answer Harvady's question, it's an inside joke with Wooden. Nothing was meant to come from it, and it was meant to be a random vote for Wooden.
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@Harvady: you could call it hypocritical, but I don't see it that way. The mayor was going to be found either way, it's tied into the vote posts where everyone can see. Granted, the mayor is more vulnerable right now, but he's still alive.
That's the thing. The mayor was going to be found anyway. You had a reason for pushing the subject:
@Shuhan:The reason I wanted to out the mayor was because that is the easiest to discover, why not come out right away? If he is town, there really is only one thing to worry about and that is death. However, if he is town and is killed, that means that the mafia would have played into our hands…I posted did I not that if we had a tracker to choose carefully. Given the course of events that I started yesterday, and we have a competent tracker, they would have targeted Kitsune, thusly catching someone in the act.
Does this mean that your plan was to out the mayor as soon as possible to make him a target? So that other power roles could take advantage of the situation and catch mafia?
Aside from previous confusion about the tracking role, you put a plan into motion based on the assumption that we might have an investigative role? A plan that didn't involve you in the slightest? You instigated something that puts everyone else at risk? …what the heck?
Now with the bomb, that's different. The bomb usually won't be found until he/she detonates or they reveal. Not to mention that outing the bomb is detrimental to the bomb themselves. If they are town, they would be useless at night. Me finding the mayor is overt different.
This comes back to people believing that a bomb is better than a mayor. It isn't.
People assume that a bomb's best use to town is sacrificing themselves to kill mafia. It isn't. Bombs kill everyone who is present at the time of death. If we had a full setup, the worst case scenario kills five townies and zero mafia. Bombs put town at risk just as much as mafia if not more.
@ Trappy: I am not hunting for other roles, just the mayor. Don't put words in my mouth.
Assuming I am correct about your intentions on D1, then you were. You asked for reports which is, again, redundant. If someone had something to report they would have. Why are you spending time on other people's powers?
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Its really simple since I already soft-claimed my role.
Once you figure that out, you'll understand why I did what I did.
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Okay, I read up finally, though a little halfheartedly. That's why I refuse to answer Shuhan's questions. I feel like he's trying to trap me into saying something that'll get me lynched and flushed out. Honestly, that's fine, it's not really fair to y'alls game since I've been a little unable to focus.
All the same, only the mafia has to worry about being lynched.
What do you think of the wagon on SomebodyUDon'tKnow? I honestly didn't vote him because I was concerned that you might hammer. Based on the roles that could exist, it would possible for mafia to auto-win. Today.
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@Harvady:
I disagree with you. I assert the opposite.
Fair enough.
I know that you put out three names, but when you added your modifier: "I could put almost anybody on that list", you are making it less of an accusation and more of an observation. Why discredit your own stance by saying that? It sounds like you are trying to leave your options open, in case the town doesn't like who you choose.
I can't change what it sounds like but the fact that I first stated my criterium and then singled three people out to whom it applied the most makes it worthwile in my opinion.
At the start of D2:
You joined the wagon on D1 purely out of support. Today, you are voting him for the reason which got the wagon started in the first place. Fishing for bombs "didn't make sense as a reason" for voting him yesterday. Why is it good enough today?
Okay, I see. What I told Shuhan there was that I voted SUDK because I wanted him to get lynched as opposed to e.g. voting for him to pressure him into answering questions. Which wouldn't make any sense at the end of the day. Which is what I said. I didn't join solely for support but I now understand what the question was (probably) supposed to get at.
What if I had voted him just for support and today decided to actually suspect him? Would that make me scummy?
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Yeah okay, Harvady's latest post about Shuhan makes me want to lynch the latter today. I didn't quite realize to what extent he was focusing on people's roles coupled with how to use them. Unvote. Vote Lynch: Shuhan
I'd also like to point out that if we don't lynch a mafia today and end up with 6 people tomorrow then we will need to be careful about voting anybody. If KI is mafia they will have three of four needed votes.
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Sorry, I was caught up in personal stuff for the most of the day.
@Harvady:what did you think you were going to accomplish with that post? How helpful is that information to the town?
With the post about finding the bomb? Protection. If the vigilante were to kill the bomb, we'd lose two townies. If someone happened to be watching, or tracking or whatnot, we could lose a disastrous number.
@Harvady:
why didn't you vote No Lynch if you advocated it?
Because my vote wouldn't have done anything if used like that. We weren't going to have enough votes for a No Lynch, so it was better left unsaid.
Shuhan, you openly criticized me and called me scum for searching for a specific role, when you did it yourself. Why?
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Vote Count: With eight alive it takes five to lynch. SomebodyUDon'tKnow [1]: Shuhan Shuhan [3]: Kitsune Inferno**,** Huschel
Not Voting [6]: Galaxy 9000, Wooden_Giraffe, SomebodyUDon'tKnow, trappedolphin, Harvady Alumnus Day Two has ended. Night Two has begun. You have 24 hours to decide any and all actions. -
This is so dumb. I'll replace Woody if it'll make any difference.
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Wooden_Giraffe has been killed. He was a Townie (He had no special abilities). He was aligned with the Town. Current Players Alive
1. Shuhan
2. Harvady Alumnus
3. Galaxy 9000
4. Kitsune Inferno
5. SomebodyUDon'tKnow
6. trappedolphin
7. HuschelVote Count: With seven alive it takes four to lynch. Kitsune Inferno [3]: Huschel, trappedolphin**,** Harvady Alumnus
Not Voting [4]: Galaxy 9000, SomebodyUDon'tKnow**, Kitsune Inferno, Shuhan** Day Three has begun.You have 48 hours to decide a lynch. -
I call modhax.
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Okay then, two general possibilities:
- we lynch KI because if he is mafia and we mislynch we will be left with 5 players tomorrow and lose
- we ignore that and just hunt for scum as usual
I think I actually prefer the first option because it should guarantee us an additional day phase to work things out. It'll be easy for mafia to rush a lynch then too of course but avoidable. And it's not like I know KI to be town either.
Also, I want to lynch someone already.
Vote Lynch: Kitsune Inferno
I have a question, Bogart: How exactly does the governor work? Does he just prevent a lynch that we hopefully achieve one day and the day will still end? Or can we relynch if we have enough time left?
I fear it's the former which makes everything so much worse. Nothing much to do about it though.
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Sorry for being MIA, I know it's awful. Been caught up with school and Big Brother. (TOO MANY THREADS.)
Anyway, I'm kind of lost as to how to proceed from here. With the numbers we have left, it's true that leaving Kitty around will be dangerous if he's mafia. But if he's town, his vote might end up being crucial for us. Not that he's here around much anyway. Hrm.
Other people! I still see Shushu's actions as largely rolefishing, whether he meant to or not. Very dangerous. We all saw SUDK happily hunting for roles. Galaxy has been absent too. Kitty readily revealed his bomb role a bit too eagerly but there's been no follow-up. I haven't talked about Harvady before, but I feel like he's been talking a bit about things like game mechanics and other inconsequential details, which makes him seem active but more contributing than he really is. Or maybe that's just me. Huschel makes sense about most things from what I remember, but it could all be a trap!
In conclusion, I kind of just want to get something done. Sorry for not giving this game as much attention as it deserves, Bogart :(
Vote lynch: Kitsune Inferno
Also babe, in case you don't see it, Bogart answered your question in the title of his last post. :P
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So…KI is busy and on the chopping block. He's excused.
Shuhan, Harvady, Galaxy and SUDK. We need two of you to vote KI or this game won't go anywhere ever. Two of you are mafia so everybody who isn't should vote or town loses. Okay thanks.
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With that comment, it seems you are knowingly lynching a Town. You are sure that two of that group are Mafia, which means that KI could not be.
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If y'all wanna use the mislynch on me, that's fine, but I think SUDK raises a sorta fair point. You say that as if you're knowingly lynching a Townie, Huschel.
The only person who knows without a doubt a player is town in this game is a Mafioso.
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Okay, so people are actually watching this. That's good.
Now I would like to point out that I am not actually that clumsy when posting. I was merely pointing out the worst case scenario to get people to vote.
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I really don't think lynching Kitsune is such a good idea.