I can't show it here… but yeah.
Still either Akainu used haki to break the defense but it still makes no sense. Like I said if Ace wanted to protect Luffy why should he activate his logia form to let Akainu bypass it. And with that unterstanding no logia form is useful if still huge ass wounds are done. And more strange the wound is a damn hole through his body.
no logia form is useful if still huge ass wounds are done. And more strange the wound is a damn hole through his body.
that's exactly why i think ace made himself physical on purpose, so he could slow down akainu's punch before it could reach luffy.
if he was in logia form, it would have reached luffy easily, passing through ace with even more ease.
I have several thoughts on that whole issue, Kishido.
1–I do think Akainu used some form of haki to make his punch more powerful--the reason I believe so is because he set out to punch Luffy–who had just been seen using CoC not too long before this scene, and as such was a relatively unknown quantity to Akainu in terms of how powerful he and his haki were, even if he guessed Luffy used it unconsciously--he did not go after Ace to begin with, so was prepared for the unknown.
2--I've toying with the idea there are stages of a logia's forms, similar to Chopper's stages, where they are partially in logia form and partially solid. That would explain why Ace was still flaming, but somehow solid at the same time--perhaps he had to go flame-on to get there on time to save Luffy, and hadn't had time to fully turn back to solid by the time he got fisted--or perhaps he was hoping that partial fire-form would be of some help--at that point he had decided to live, so he didn't want to die, and might have tried what he could, without risking Luffy.
3--It's just gross to think Akainu'd want to stick his arm through two people, one after the other, at the same time--not even a monster like Akainu could go that far, right? Right??? Not to mention that he may not have been able to see properly to aim for Luffy once Ace was skewered on his arm and effectively blocking his vision...
Yeah could be that it was some form of logia and that Akainu used haki… my simple point is that Ace couldn't be FULL logia form if he really wanted to protect Luffy and take the punch if knows that it would bypass him liek attacks did to Crock, Akainu and all others
Of course with haki Akainu could damage Ace in logia form, but we don't know if he used it. But Ace using full haki form would be stupid from him... Even if he wasn't the smartest after all
Hmm Kishido and MDL you are starting to convince me but how about the flames around then : http://img245.imageshack.us/f/e1617.jpg
Perhaps even in logia form he slowed the attack down somehow wait will read ISTBC's opinion too.
edit : Partially logia makes sense though he might as well have taken it without transforming if he did. Unless he was maximising his chances of survival whilst putting his life on the line at the same time. edit :like ISTBC already said.
Well that BS… if he was in his logia form it should go through him and still hit Luffy.
And by that logic a simple slash which go through a logia body should do damage as well.
He had a huge ass hole in his chest so he wasn't in his logia form. If yes Akainu should have damn slash marks as well. Or do you think if Akainu hits Croc in his logia form or even Kizaru all of them are instant dead?
Oh ffs.
Try paying more attention. Previous episode - Ace vs Akainu - a clash of 2 logia powers - and yet Akainu managed to burn and over power Ace even though he is fire. Akainu clearly stated his Logia is superior to Ace's.
Hence why he could still damage Ace even whilst he had his logia ability activated. Hence why Ace has a hole in chest - even though he was in his logia form when he took the attack.
Pirates: Ace!! Ace has…. been burned!?
Akainu: Aren't you letting your guard down, just because you're a logia?
You're just "fire". But I'm "Magma" that can burn down your fire!! My ability is completely above yours!!
There was no Haki involved.
there are several science nerds who raged over this whole thing because fire is actually superior to magma.
but it's just a manga and they need to accept that oda doesn't have to obey the laws of science XD
Srsly ppl. Magma>Fire, just like Rubber>Electricity. Magma neutralised his Fire and pwned his body. Also the fire is part of the Ace's body so if he's in logia from and Akainu extinguishes his fire he'll get damaged.
@MDL:
there are several science nerds who raged over this whole thing because fire is actually superior to magma.
but it's just a manga and they need to accept that oda doesn't have to obey the laws of science XD
It's as pointless as arguing about the size of some characters (ex.: Admirals. They must have a giant ancestor or something. Or WB. Or many others.)
Though I always found that funny when people start to complain about mangas not following the laws of science.
It's as pointless as arguing about the size of some characters (ex.: Admirals. They must have a giant ancestor or something. Or WB. Or many others.)
Though I always found that funny when people start to complain about mangas not following the laws of science.
When people complain about One Piece and nature laws im just like " In One Piece people make cracks in the air. Nuff said."
Yea that's all nice and good for you to say definitively there was no haki used, but I never saw anything at all anywhere in the manga that said absolutely Akainu did not use haki, and no matter how many times you quote that page with Akainu's statement, which I will accept as exposition, and not trash talk, it still doesn't prove it. I repeat:
1–I do think Akainu used some form of haki to make his punch more powerful--the reason I believe so is because he set out to punch Luffy–who had just been seen using CoC not too long before this scene, and as such was a relatively unknown quantity to Akainu in terms of how powerful he and his haki were, even if he guessed Luffy used it unconsciously--he did not go after Ace to begin with, so was prepared for the unknown.
And to all who did so–questioning people's intelligence does not win the argument--just make you look like you have nothing stronger to support your argument with.
@MDL:
there are several science nerds who raged over this whole thing because fire is actually superior to magma.
but it's just a manga and they need to accept that oda doesn't have to obey the laws of science XD
It entirely depends on how hot the fire is. The hotter thingy will overpower the less hot thing….
It entirely depends on how hot the fire is. The hotter thingy will overpower the less hot thing….
I have heard an interesting theory that said the magma, which is technically a liquid, smothered the fire, similar to the way water worked on Croc. That could explain it too.
The focus of our debate was not whether haki was involved or does magma burn fire. We were mainly disagreeing on whether Ace was in logia form. I will go with ISTBC's explanation it makes the most sense to me.
all i remember is that there was this one nerdy guy who kept going on and on about how fire doesn't have a maximum temperature, while magma does.
he was saying that either oda messed up with his elements, or ace didn't have enough training to make himself hotter than akainu.
i don't really care either way btw,
i think it's stupid to heavily apply logic to manga, especially something like one piece lol.
In this series everything can happen… anything!:ninja:
The focus of our debate was not whether haki was involved or does magma burn fire. We were mainly disagreeing on whether Ace was in logia form. I will go with ISTBC's explanation it makes the most sense to me.
Clearly stated here:
Pirates: Ace!! Ace has…. been burned!?
Akainu: Aren't you letting your guard down, just because you're a logia?
You're just "fire". But I'm "Magma" that can burn down your fire!! My ability is completely above yours!!
Hotter magma, over powered him, burnt him up.
@MDL:
all i remember is that there was this one nerdy guy who kept going on and on about how fire doesn't have a maximum temperature, while magma does.
he was saying that either oda messed up with his elements, or ace didn't have enough training to make himself hotter than akainu.i don't really care either way btw,
i think it's stupid to heavily apply logic to manga, especially something like one piece lol.
Well MDL, I can agree with that. LOL Still, it's fun, imho, to try and find some sort of workable solution. To each his own.
And nobody on this current page is denying this :happy: (the science of one piece i mean lol)
@I:
Still, it's fun, imho, to try and find some sort of workable solution. To each his own.
i'm the same, i love when people take the time to think this stuff out.
it just annoys me when people take things too seriously, y'know?
I just choose to think of it like this: what's worse, your house catching on fire, or a volcano erupting underneath your ass?
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^ best comparison ever.
I just choose to think of it like this: what's worse, your house catching on fire, or a volcano erupting underneath your ass?
That's a good one!
I liked the episode…also the doc out of nowhere to make it obvious for the dumbasses was still okay.
Oh ffs.
Try paying more attention. Previous episode - Ace vs Akainu - a clash of 2 logia powers - and yet Akainu managed to burn and over power Ace even though he is fire. Akainu clearly stated his Logia is superior to Ace's.Hence why he could still damage Ace even whilst he had his logia ability activated. Hence why Ace has a hole in chest - even though he was in his logia form when he took the attack.
There was no Haki involved.
I know that shit but once again… Why should Ace use his logia form if he wanted to take the hit that Akainu won't reach Luffy?
Do you understand. Just think about that... Let us assume Kizaru want to tank a hit at full force to stop something... Would he stay in his logia form?
They play dis when WB attacks next ep (
) else I will go to japan and kill the staff.Amen to that. Though as they've played it for Jimbei/garp here im not so sure.
edit:It does sound a bit too hopeful for the situation though. Then again they've played it right after Ace was hit ,was like LOL?
This maybe
Amen to that. Though as they've played it for Jimbei/garp here im not so sure.
edit:It does sound a bit too hopeful for the situation though. Then again they've played it right after Ace was hit ,was like LOL?
This maybe
Nah. That theme is too dark imo. The next EP will be more of an inspiration to other pirates then just sadness like this one was.
! The one i posted it kinda hopefull and i think it fits well to WB cuz he was just epic and all. He deserves to die with a hopefull song cuz he died proud and standing.
Awesome episode! Didnt mind at all the :O thing. Cry or silence, they both work well for that scene, and it was more hearthbreaking i think just to hear Luffy so sad after all he went trought to save Ace in the first place.
The Garp scene was much better in the anime. Kudos to Toei in that. Not halfbeard? saw that coming, really not a surprise with that. I hope in response Toei is going to give one hell of an Epic fight next episode.
HEROMAN… ATTACK!!
They should play ''Luffy vs. Gasparde'' instead. It's an appropriately ''evil'' track.
They should play ''Luffy vs. Gasparde'' instead. It's an appropriately ''evil'' track.
I cant find that that track, can you perhaps link it ?
! Oh his death I thought the moment in next episode where he whoops Akainu's ass
Then yes I agree. That or To the Grand line.
Unfortunatly , we won't see Whitebeard going all black knight on the marines.
Akainu: "Look you stupid bastard, you just lost half your face!"
Whitebeard: "No, I havn't"
Akainu: "Look"
Whitebeard: "Just a flesh wound" punches Akainu
But overall, the episode was better than expected. I hope they keep that up until the end of the war, or at least for the next two episodes.
I cant find that that track, can you perhaps link it ?
I can't find it either, so I'll just link to a stream of the movie itself: Here, track in question starts at about 1:10:15, and lasts up til the part where Luffy gets his arm stuck inside of Gasparde and starts getting the shit beat out of him.
Finally I have watched episode 483. It's as good as bad the previous one was.
Definately, most of the credits goes to the director, Miyamoto Hiroaki. The pacing, the flow of events, filler insertion - all of this was handled very well. It's nice to see that scattered over the ground beads had a reason - to be picked up by Newgate. A rare original filler gone right.
And, of course, the seiyu work - Luffy and Ace contributed to the atmosphere very much. With the quiet and lyric music at the background, the picture was done. A little sting of sorrow was there.
Only major complaint - the moving face of Luffy at the end. It's just not right.
I know that shit but once again… Why should Ace use his logia form if he wanted to take the hit that Akainu won't reach Luffy?
Do you understand. Just think about that... Let us assume Kizaru want to tank a hit at full force to stop something... Would he stay in his logia form?
I get what ur sayin - but the fact speaks it for itself
A picture says a 1000 words. His entire body is engulfed in his flames.
Ace got in the way of the attack and that was it - he stopped Akainu from gettin to Luffy. Everything happened in the blink of an eye - it was the only thing Ace could do.
Ace is a hero. He died heroically saving his little brother yet again - and no Luffy means no One Piece.
I dunno why people go on with all the Ace hate and callin him an emo. How would u turn out if everyone was saying your very existance was a sin and that if a child of Roger did exist -they'd kill it, not before torturing it horribly for the sole crime of having been the child of Roger.
yeah. ace was a strong person, all things considered.
i've never heard anyone call him emo, but i'm glad i haven't.
in his place, i'd have fucking cracked very early on, no doubt.
we can all act tough and say "i'd handle that way better than him lol",
yet only a handful of those people could actually back it up in the real situation.
The ep is a weird one for me….
I thought this was well directed and even had some moments that surpass some of the manga.
The strange thing is this version of his death is less darker and grim then the manga presented. I mean the manga at the end of this episode had a flashback to the very first day Ace came to this world.
Rouge: If it’s a boy…Ace…this kid’s name will be Gol. D. Ace.
This drives the point that he died the son of Gol D. Ace and that in the end her mother and fathers efforts were vain, but in that sense he he did got to live a 'full life.' Advice to anyone reading chapter 574 they need to play this music . It fits very well.
I didn't like how the anime added Luffy crying. That ruins the point of the scene Oda was trying to convey with Luffy; this being a shocking and unbelievable thing to him that he cannot fathom it. Its so traumatizing that he can't even cry but lose consciousness. Then when he wakes up on Amazon Lily he's then cries his eyeballs out in frustration because he was so helpless and he failed. Its still so hard to accept.
Hot damn when comparing this ep to the manga, the manga really is much more severe on it's violence. Even when Ace fell down on the ground the gape whole on his back still had smoke emitting out of it. There was alot more blood on it that signified that Akainu really fucked this guys insides up bad.
@MDL:
yeah. ace was a strong person, all things considered.
i've never heard anyone call him emo, but i'm glad i haven't.in his place, i'd have fucking cracked very early on, no doubt.
we can all act tough and say "i'd handle that way better than him lol",
yet only a handful of those people could actually back it up in the real situation.
You missed it all last year. In the manga section. It was pretty pathetic actually. Maybe they were serious or just did it to piss off the Ace fandom…
Y'nkw I think they anime could have gotten away with Whitebeard loosing his half his head. They could have not shown it, and just implied it . They could paned the camera away when Akainu does that attack. Then could have added some dark shadows and less blood.
Or is that too much for the kiddies still?
@MDL:
yeah. ace was a strong person, all things considered.
i've never heard anyone call him emo, but i'm glad i haven't.in his place, i'd have fucking cracked very early on, no doubt.
we can all act tough and say "i'd handle that way better than him lol",
yet only a handful of those people could actually back it up in the real situation.
Last night someone called him an emo on Rizon IRC. Good thing I was there to proove that he's wrong.
You missed it all last year. In the manga section.
ah, i see. that's why.
i didn't become 'active' until october, and even then i didn't start full-timing until near december.
I get what ur sayin - but the fact speaks it for itself
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/7936/deathoface.png
A picture says a 1000 words. His entire body is engulfed in his flames.Ace got in the way of the attack and that was it - he stopped Akainu from gettin to Luffy. Everything happened in the blink of an eye - it was the only thing Ace could do.
Ace is a hero. He died heroically saving his little brother yet again - and no Luffy means no One Piece.
I dunno why people go on with all the Ace hate and callin him an emo. How would u turn out if everyone was saying your very existance was a sin and that if a child of Roger did exist -they'd kill it, not before torturing it horribly for the sole crime of having been the child of Roger.
he could make this part solid? Once again why should he use his full fire mode to protect his brother? Fire isn't solid. It would go right through him.
That's my question to you… let us say Kizaru would like to protect Luffy would he use his lightning form even if kicks punches and all are going through him and Akainu would still be able to hit Luffy.
And yeah Ace is a hero and was living to his name at the end. Fire Fisted Ace... He died at his own fault and was beaten once again.. even if his friends and all others told him to not turn back after being rescued by his useless little brother
But I know that in your eyes Luffy is fault for his death... We had that already
But let this put to an end.
I didn't like how the anime added Luffy crying. That ruins the point of the scene Oda was trying to convey with Luffy; this being a shocking and unbelievable thing to him that he cannot fathom it. Its so traumatizing that he can't even cry but lose consciousness. Then when he wakes up on Amazon Lily he's then cries his eyeballs out in frustration because he was so helpless and he failed. Its still so hard to accept.
Oh yes. This little detail, the addition of movement and sound, diminishes the shock, the very impact that Luffy experiences. Inability to even shed a tear just seems to me to be on a much more heavier stage than what we were presented with in the episode.
Y'nkw I think they anime could have gotten away with Whitebeard loosing his half his head. They could have not shown it, and just implied it . They could paned the camera away when Akainu does that attack. Then could have added some dark shadows and less blood.
Or is that too much for the kiddies still?
Like it was shown and implied in the manga?
How would u turn out if everyone was saying your very existance was a sin and that if a child of Roger did exist -they'd kill it, not before torturing it horribly for the sole crime of having been the child of Roger.
How about this, not provoke random thugs in bars questioning them on Roger? Or, even better, turn to people who care about you and love you - Garp, Dadan, Luffy?
Such a dilemma for a young mind.
People hate Ace :wassat:? Probably my joining date. I dnt think he was emo not to the uchiha level.
Its good to see some weakness and humaness in the characters sometimes ya know, they cnt act tough all the time.To break down on a scaffold makes sense to me I would be begging sengoku rofl. When you compare it to how Ace believed men dnt cry and was all tough when small I think how he acted added more impact, it was real.
k enough said :)
he could make this part solid? Once again why should he use his full fire mode to protect his brother? Fire isn't solid. It would go right through him.
That's my question to you… let us say Kizaru would like to protect Luffy would he use his lightning form even if kicks punches and all are going through him and Akainu would still be able to hit Luffy.
This is a non discussion. His logia powers were active. Simple as that. I dunno why ur havin such a hard time graspin this. I know what ur gettin at but regardless….you are wrong.
And yeah Ace is a hero and was living to his name at the end. Fire Fisted Ace… He died at his own fault and was beaten once again.. even if his friends and all others told him to not turn back after being rescued by his useless little brother
Gettin a bit bitter are we, that u need to resort to cheap attacks on Ace now?
Oda wrote for him to die. Simple as that./ Now ur blamin a character that it was his own fault for dying. How stupid is that?
Ace didn't have to throw himself infront of Akainu's attack but he did - because Luffy meant that much to him, Luffy is his little brother and bein his big brother - he had to protect him from harm.
Ace is a hero. Save all ur Ace hate for sum1 else. Its gettin kinda sad to be honest.
But I know that in your eyes Luffy is fault for his death… We had that already
But let this put to an end.
say what now? What gave u the idea that i somehow blame Luffy for Ace dying? Such a thought never entered my mind and why would it?
This is a non discussion. His logia powers were active. Simple as that. I dunno why ur havin such a hard time graspin this. I know what ur gettin at but regardless….you are wrong.
Gettin a bit bitter are we, that u need to resort to cheap attacks on Ace now?
Oda wrote for him to die. Simple as that./ Now ur blamin a character that it was his own fault for dying. How stupid is that?Ace didn't have to throw himself infront of Akainu's attack but he did - because Luffy meant that much to him, Luffy is his little brother and bein his big brother - he had to protect him from harm.
Ace is a hero. Save all ur Ace hate for sum1 else. Its gettin kinda sad to be honest.
say what now? What gave u the idea that i somehow blame Luffy for Ace dying? Such a thought never entered my mind and why would it?
WTF you came up with the Roar all are hating Ace and call him him emo… even if he is a hero. Sorry for have an different opinion and different view
But still the whole situation was there because Ace turned back 
That is a fact
And yeah he was in full logia form... I'm wrong and it is logical to use full logia form to block a magma fist. Cuz he couldn't make himself partial non full logia mode
And btw... I don't hate Ace^^
@THE:
They censored Jeff eating his leg, why would you think they'd keep halfbeard.
Who the fuck is Jeff?
Just got around to watching the chapter. It was well done, except that it does a few things (one I'm very annoyed about):
1. Dadan was mentioned as a woman. I'll let this slide since it's kind of hard to make a voice gender neutral.
2. They messed up Ace's final words. He said "Thank you for loving me" and then "Thank you again". In the Manga, his last sentence was "Thank you for loving me."
3. At the very end of the chapter, it has Garp remembering Rogue's final words: "If it's a boy, his name will be Ace… Gol D. Ace." This flashback was completely cut. That pisses me off, because it removes a link between Ace and the one person who loved him from the beginning: Portgas D. Rogue.
I called it wrong, so long ago. I guess this needs to be changed.
