Hi!
Tater, here.
Years ago, I made the claim that the Dan Harmon-less Season 4 of this show wasn't that bad and was, in fact, a continuation of Season 3's decline.
I am now rewatching Community. I still maintain, with little hesitance, that Season 3 was a big step in the wrong direction, though with some strong episodes. Season 4, however, is hot garbage.
Thank you.
From the moment the Weinstein floodgate opened (and really, before), this was the most predictable of things: https://www.avclub.com/former-community-writer-megan-ganz-calls-out-dan-harmon-1821754073
Part of the reason I find it hard to go back and watch Community, and part of why I still find it hard to watch Rick and Morty. Can't detach from what an asshole that guy already seems to be publicly, with this implying it is indeed even worse behind the scenes.
It seemed to not be sexual, as Gantz keeps mentioning self stem issues more than anything ..
Yeah, won't defend him. At least he acknowledges, tries to make amends and wasn't a criminal act, just a dickish one.
Man I barely remember Community now, at that. It was a show I understood why people liked it, but I never could really get "into" it. And I can't explain why, but Britta and Abel always seemed to annoy me.
favorite character was the dean.
I kind of hate the dean, he keeps just fucking things up for everyone, and cries "I'm a bad dean" and the next week wrecks things again. Granted, in like half of those times it was something truly outside the control of any Human Being, but way too many of them is lack of action because he hoped that things wont escalate. They always did.
A good deal of what made Community novel has filtered its way into the television universe at large, especially the meta-ness of it all, so it's lost a bit of its edge. Also, for better or worse, it was one of those shows that was pretty much produced in the open and referenced everything that was happening to it and its creator, especially the stuff with Chevy Chase and some of Harmon's personal squabbles that made it into the show. Made fans feel super-involved, which ended up keeping it alive for longer than its popularity probably merited.
Judging from Rick and Morty, Harmon hasn't been that interested in changing.
Welp, I hoped for a movie to finally happen when seeing the thread pop up…
Chang and the dean should have stayed more caricature than character, or show logical progression instead of the back and forth character development that they had.
I mean the rest of the cast also jumps back and forwards forgetting their lessons and having to learn them again, but their faults are lack of emphaty, of self examination or the need to control, not psychopathy or ritualistic criminal negligence
Been binging. Too many episodes deal with failing to met set expectations.
Also, reading Chevy Chase bio, how did he personally take having to do a "pill addiction" arc?
I'm just jumping around, and I watched Pierce's funeral.
I know that the reason that Troy had to leave was because Donald Glover had other projects, but in story, Pierce doesn't leave Abed anything more than the "obligatory sperm", and then proceeds to take Troy away from him, in either a truly petty act, or to force them to grow without their respective security blankets.
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I'm just jumping around, and I watched Pierce's funeral.
I know that the reason that Troy had to leave was because Donald Glover had other projects, but in story, Pierce doesn't leave Abed anything more than the "obligatory sperm", and then proceeds to take Troy away from him, in either a truly petty act, or to force them to grow without their respective security blankets.
I think that was him trying to help Troy since they bonded by living together for a time.
Ironically, I have been rewatching a lot of Community recently on Hulu.
I still maintain that the first two seasons, in particular the second, are some of the funniest episodes of sitcoms over the last decade. The first season has that early trouble with finding where the characters work best, but I think by Season 2 they completely nailed them. It felt like a realistic evolution in how they interacted and changed by being around each other, accumulating with Pierce's breakdown.
Season 3 was where I started to lose interest a bit though. Still has some great episodes, but some of the aspects were becoming a bit too cartoony. I thought the second season had a perfect blend of standard episodes and "themed" episodes, where as the third season needed to parody some genre or film entirely for every episode. It felt less about the characters and more about "what would be funny to put them through this week".
As far as the Dan Harmon stuff, I've heard some pretty shitty stuff about him, but given his interaction with Gantz, I think he is genuinely trying to make an effort to improve. I don't understand a lot of the disdain being thrown his way, given his response. I think a lot of people naturally and rightfully get upset when they hear about how someone like him acts towards his coworkers and people working under him, but remove a lot of the human element from the controversy.
She said that she's not ready to accept an apology at the moment, but acknowledges Harmon's apology. He said that he's operating differently now with the boundaries he sets between his friends and coworkers, accepts the things that he has said and done, and said that he wants to apologize to Gantz if/when she's ready in a way she would like.
Even if he is doing this from a PR perspective and is lying out of his ass and hasn't changed at all(which I'm not claiming), his official record is basically "I fucked up, I'm doing things differently now, I know you don't accept it but I am sorry and if there is a way I can show you that, please let me know". At the end of the day, all we have to go on is rumors and the known statements of the people involved. And given what was openly discussed between them, I think Harmon did a fantastic job. Again, not validating in anyway what he's done/said to his staff including Gantz. However, I believe the saying is "admitting is the first step". Right?
Even if he's lying out of his ass, his official statement is one accepting responsibility, not making excuses, and wanting to take further steps to repair the damage he's done if she wants. But at the end of the day, I think he made the right call whether genuine or not to accept responsibility on an open platform and signal that he's aware that he needs to continue to operate differently than he did before.
Youtube has been pushing me cool stuff.
Here’s a weird one for you: Last week, I called out my former boss @danharmon for sexual harassment, and today I’m going to ask you to listen to his podcast http://www.harmontown.com/2018/01/episode-dont-let-him-wipe-or-flush/"
"I’m not being flippant. I didn’t bring up this mess just to sweep it back under the rug. But I find myself in the odd position of having requested an apology publicly, and then having received one—a good one—also publicly. I waited 6 years for it, but you can find it 18:38 in"
"Please listen to it. It’s only seven minutes long, but it is a masterclass in How to Apologize. He’s not rationalizing or justifying or making excuses. He doesn’t just vaguely acknowledge some general wrongdoing in the past. He gives a full account.""Yes, I only listened because I expected an apology. But what I didn't expect was the relief I’d feel just hearing him say these things actually happened. I didn’t dream it. I’m not crazy. Ironic that the only person who could give me that comfort is the one person I’d never ask."
"This was never about vengeance; it's about vindication. That's why it didn’t feel right to just accept his apology in private (although I did that, too). Because if any part of this process should be done in the light, it’s the forgiveness part. And so, @danharmon, I forgive you."
From Gantz's twitter, about 20 minutes ago.
On one hand she forgave him, but in the other she called it sexual now.
Think the issue I have is that Harmon has done this performative self-examination over, and over, and over, but seems disinclined to actually change his pattern of behavior. But credit in this particular case.
Hang in there, Kierkegaard.
At the end of the day with something like this, I think the best thing to do is separate art from the creator. Not to excuse his actions, or pretend they didn't happen or don't matter. But rather, because the parties have said their peace with it and while we'll ultimately have no idea what is going on in Harmon's head, he's said that things are different now and until something proves he has or hasn't, there isn't much more to have from this whole mess of events caused by him.
Think the issue I have is that Harmon has done this performative self-examination over, and over, and over, but seems disinclined to actually change his pattern of behavior. But credit in this particular case.
Basically this from Bojack Horseman:
Six seasons and a… podcast episode?
Sorry for the resurrection, but it was pretty fun, stories about the show, and how it was.
Awesome thanks for posting!
