Dofla and Pxs attack Moria –-> Suprise!!! It's Doppleman bitches!!! ---> Doppleman get away, and Dofla gives a fuck about tracking a flying shadow.
Maybe yes, maybe not...
Moria's fate
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@cooldud_21:
That makes perfect sense IMO. To publish an unverified death would be pretty lame on the WG's part. And doesn't suit any purpose as well. It's not like Moria has a huge fan following in the OP world (unlike people like WB and Dragon, whose deaths would change a lot of things). It's also not like they are publishing Moria's death as a warning of weakness or insubordination, they said he died in the war fighting for their cause.
Pretty much, I have asked this to every guy supporting Moria being alive, none of them were able to answer this question decently
That pretty much proves that Moria is deadThat's not entirely true.
The newspaper says he died during a war. It's far more acceptable to tell the world that he died during a battle where the strongest powers in the world were involved than to say he was defeated by a single pirate. It's to prevent an uproar similar to the one when Crocodile was defeated.Mihawk also says that he isn't sure if he's dead or alive. He's holding the newspaper so I think it's safe to presume a photo of his corpse isn't included.
I'm not saying he's impossible to hit. He was punched in the face by Nightmare Luffy when he was distracted. Could've easily happened here considering Doflamingo is an "ally".
Except not saying anything would have all the advantages you said and not the disadvantage of… you know... ANYONE FINDING OUT HE'S ALIVE
The Rolling Pirates were witness to the entire fight and got away because Kuma didn't stop them.
And if it's the word of a group of pirates against the World Goverment, the majority of the civillians will take side with the WG.Hahahaha oh wow
So, in their two options:
-Have gossip between the Rolling Pirates (the WG probably doesn't even know they escaped anyways, but whatever, I'l roll [heh, nice pun] with it)
-Have gossip when anyone finds Moria aliveDerpity Derp Derp
@Herr:
Just one question needs to be asked to address the newspaper issue. What would the Goverment gain by claiming Moria was dead if he was in fact alive?
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Absolutely nothing.
They might not know if he's alive. Nobody does.
The newspaper is under discussion to dispel the argument of: "he dead cuz news said so."This is the biggest derp you answered us with
The World Government obviously knows if he's dead or not, there's a reason why there were 4 Pacifistas there, DoFlamingo couldn't (AND WOULDN'T, THAT'S NOT HIS CHARACTER, GAAAAAAH) just bring Moria with him in the sunshine with the Pacifistas looking, and the WG wouldn't obviously believe DoFlamingo if all the Pacifistas ended up deadI thought the whole argument on that side is the WG thinks he's dead and everything went according to plan.
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You guys think too much into this problem.
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Pretty much, I have asked this to every guy supporting Moria being alive, none of them were able to answer this question decently
That pretty much proves that Moria is deadMaybe they don't know that Moria is still alive. The pacifistas might have all shot beams to kill Moria and before getting hit, he changed side with Doppelman. And they thought they killed him. The fact we didn't see any finishing blow is very suspicious.
Or
Saying Moria died for the World Government in the war is good for their reputations. Everybody saw Jinbei and Blackbeard fighting against them, so the WG couldn't ignore it and were forced to say thoses guys are now enemies. It's the WG that send Shichibukai offers to pirate, so their reputation is at stake when a Shichibukai defect. Saying one die in the war for them is a way to counterbalance Jinbei's and Blackbeard's defection. They are probably still looking for Moria, and think that they will handle him later, since he was weakened after getting beaten by Doflamingo and the Pacifistas.
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THEN…
THEY...
WOULDN'T...
SAY...
ANYTHING...
AT ALL!!!It would have exactly ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL THE ADVANTAGES YOU SAID...
But not the disadvantage...
WHERE THE POPULATION SEES MORIA ALIVEAnd if they're going after Moria...
WHY THE FUCK...
WOULDN'T THEY WAIT UNTIL THEY KILLED MORIA...
TO TELL IT ON THE NEWS?YOU'RE WRONG
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It would have exactly ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL THE ADVANTAGES YOU SAID…
No, it wouldn't counterbalance Blackbeard's and Jinbei's defection. Someone dying for you is the best proof of how reliable he was for you. If you said he is still alive, people will only focus on Blackbeard and Jinbei.
But not the disadvantage…
WHERE THE POPULATION SEES MORIA ALIVEIt will, because after what happened. No way Moria will ever work for the government, because after recovering, he can start rampaging and it will be even worse for the WG because he is still a Shichibukai.
And if they're going after Moria…
WHY THE FUCK...
WOULDN'T THEY WAIT UNTIL THEY KILLED MORIA...
TO TELL IT ON THE NEWS?Because they couldn't say Moria died in the war if they report it too many times after.
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That's way too far-fetched, buddy, you're looking for anything to say he's alive
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Saying Moria died for the World Government in the war is good for their reputations. Everybody saw Jinbei and Blackbeard fighting against them, so the WG couldn't ignore it and were forced to say thoses guys are now enemies. It's the WG that send Shichibukai offers to pirate, so their reputation is at stake when a Shichibukai defect. Saying one die in the war for them is a way to counterbalance Jinbei's and Blackbeard's defection. They are probably still looking for Moria, and think that they will handle him later, since he was weakened after getting beaten by Doflamingo and the Pacifistas.
How lame is that argument? You say that publishing Moria's death as the fall of a faithful soldier in the war would enhance the WG's reputation. And what happens when he returns to rampage? A bigger blow to their reputation than they gain by publishing his death as a war-hero.
Accept it. Moria's goose is well and truly cooked.
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I just do not see Oda killing off a character like Moria without a compelling reason past, "oh those don flamingo/World Government Types are all bad apples!" I mean we already have ample evidence of don flamingo's amoral nature and the bustercalling WG'/nobles' evil intentions, without needing Moria to get assassinated and then covered up.
If Moria lives, he's got a fantastic reason to hate the WG now but then I cannot see a pissed Moria doing anything interesting enough to eclipse the activities of the post war players already bucking for time in ink.
So, if Moria is indeed dead (via assassination/coverup), then his death needs to influence someone or something. Why else even bother with all this hoohaw and not just have Moria get killed in the war as the Official Version is now stating.
I can seriously see this Conspiracy being sussed out by someone on the moral fence, be it a questioning marine admiral like Aokiji/Garp/Sengoku/pwngoat or more likely Mihawk, who has already been seen questioning Moria's reported death.
If Moria's assassination/coverup does lead to Mihawk defecting, then imho, that was a lame Shichibukai's death well spent =)
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Saying Moria died for the World Government in the war is good for their reputations. Everybody saw Jinbei and Blackbeard fighting against them, so the WG couldn't ignore it and were forced to say thoses guys are now enemies. It's the WG that send Shichibukai offers to pirate, so their reputation is at stake when a Shichibukai defect. Saying one die in the war for them is a way to counterbalance Jinbei's and Blackbeard's defection. They are probably still looking for Moria, and think that they will handle him later, since he was weakened after getting beaten by Doflamingo and the Pacifistas.
How is it good for their reputation, if anything it makes them look like they picked a pirate who can't handle the worlds greatest powers. And going under the assumption he is alive what happens when he goes ape shit crazy and starts attacking people. The only way his death would help the goverment's reputation id if he was actully dead. The risk's don't out way the benifits to lie about somthing like that.
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My sig.
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So it's cool now to have your predictions in your signature?
And I can't believe that 62% thinks that Moria is dead.Moria the Great…
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So it's cool now to have your predictions in your signature?
And I can't believe that 62% thinks that Moria is dead.I've seen a few people do it, I had extra space in my sig, so I figured why not? If it makes it seem like I've jumped on a band-wagon, so be it. Sorry Beka, I actually have nothing against Moria; I even liked his character. However, I just think that Oda showed that scene for a reason, and that ties back into how the government isn't revealing that the level 6 prisoners escaped. He's painting a stronger picture of how the government is corrupt. Also, I fully expect a new slew of characters to be introduced as the story continues; this was liquidation my friend, liquidation.
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I can't believe that more than 10% believe he isn't
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I can't believe you all just got communist-rolled!
DERPITY DERP
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@Herr:
How is it good for their reputation, if anything it makes them look like they picked a pirate who can't handle the worlds greatest powers.
Not really, people will think they picked a guy who gave all he got for the government, and for justice.
And going under the assumption he is alive what happens when he goes ape shit crazy and starts attacking people. The only way his death would help the goverment's reputation id if he was actully dead. The risk's don't out way the benifits to lie about somthing like that.
If someone recognizes the lvl6 prisoners, they will look dumb too, but that really doesn't seem to bother them for the moment.
And there is also the possibilty, the PX and Doflamingo thought they killed Moria, but failed.
HE'S DEAD
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And there is also the possibilty, the PX and Doflamingo thought they killed Moria, but failed.
Except that makes no sense.
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@JERK:
Except that makes no sense.
Well, the pacifistas are using beam, that wouldn't be strange if they all decided to fire at the same time to give Moria the final blow. That can create an explosion and Moria can decide to switch with Doppelman. They would think Moria disappeared with the explosion, but in fact he is still alive.
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If someone recognizes the lvl6 prisoners, they will look dumb too, but that really doesn't seem to bother them for the moment.
Erasing from history and public death announcement are two different ballgames. Imagine the public outcry if they announced that so many dangerous (that word is a serious understatement here) prisoners escaped at once.
Its a game of tradeoffs. Take these two situations
- They don't announce Moria's dead and he isn't: No one gives a shit.
- They announce Moria's dead and he isn't and then goes on the rampage against them: A slight positive (covering for Jimbei and BB's betrayal) + a huge negative (image loss and carnage).
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@cooldud_21:
Erasing from history and public death announcement are two different ballgames. Imagine the public outcry if they announced that so many dangerous (that word is a serious understatement here) prisoners escaped at once.
That's not the reason why the WG didn't tell anything.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/581/16/
Its a game of tradeoffs. Take these two situations
- They don't announce Moria's dead and he isn't: No one gives a shit.
Because you think Moria will stay hidden long. No matter what they said about him, if they failed killing him, he will rampage.
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That's not the reason why the WG didn't tell anything.
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/581/16/
Because you think Moria will stay hidden long. No matter what they said about him, if they failed killing him, he will rampage.
The only thing wrong about it though is he is dead.
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Because you think Moria will stay hidden long. No matter what they said about him, if they failed killing him, he will rampage.
That's a dumb statement. If he survived then it's because DD decided not to kill him, not because he couldn't.
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Let us compromise and say that he is as dead as Brook.
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That's not the reason why the WG didn't tell anything.
"Any further disgrace can result in a loss of faith in the world government" = the public outcry I was talking about.
Because you think Moria will stay hidden long. No matter what they said about him, if they failed killing him, he will rampage.
Yes, but the negative image the government will get because of that rampage is compounded with a newspaper report saying that he's a war hero and all.
Again, 2 situations for you to consider:
- Moria goes on a rampage: "Shit. Another rouge shichi! I hope the government stop this one."
- Moria's announced dead and then goes on rampage: "But wasn't he supposed to be a good guy who fought on our side? Now we have another rouge shichi and we can't even trust our government! SHIT!"
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So what does the plot stand to lose in terms of good storytelling if Moria is dead.
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That's a dumb statement. If he survived then it's because DD decided not to kill him, not because he couldn't.
Doflamingo can't kill Moria, Moria is far too powerful for him to handle.
Moria the Great…
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What if Don is on Kaidou's level when he beat Moria.
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Doflamingo can't kill Moria, Moria is far too powerful for him to handle.
Damn you caught me. I was hoping nobody would notice that obvious typo.
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The reason Moria was killed off so abruptly… well ask yourself this; IF the WG was to suddenly 'Let him go', where would you put him? Impel Down just got crapped on and they are in no way shape or form ready to start it back up, and you can't just let a guy with that high of a bounty and potential danger to run free… that's just silly
Besides he got his ass handed to him... like three times in the war, while Doflamingo, Mihawk, and Hancock barely had scratches on them. However long ago when he became a Shichibukai, he was in his prime. As of lately... he's let himself go. Killing him and getting good PR about it seems pretty logical to me.
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Or they could turn him into a mass production machine of some kind, it would be a shame to let all that power go to waste.
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@Superbear:
Or they could turn him into a mass production machine of some kind, it would be a shame to let all that power go to waste.
That is also a possibility, they could be looking into making him a type of Pacifista, but I doubt they could mass produce him, or would want to. His body is too goofy and unsuited for standard combat, they will most likely use the power of shadows to bulk up marines.
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That is also a possibility, they could be looking into making him a type of Pacifista, but I doubt they could mass produce him, or would want to. His body is too goofy and unsuited for standard combat, they will most likely use the power of shadows to bulk up marines.
This is what I was thinking, like they could shove shadows into the PX units in order to make them more battle savvy. Imagine a bunch of PX units using Soru and things like that. Also it would be wise to program Moria mind to have some sort of imagine of a high ranking Marine figure like the four elders, so when the PX go through that whole Kage Kage mental break they obey the Marines and not Moria.
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If someone recognizes the lvl6 prisoners, they will look dumb too, but that really doesn't seem to bother them for the moment.
It's not the same thing, the Goverment just didn't say anything about the Level 6 prisioniers, They reported to the world Moria was dead.
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I'm with Beka.
Moria shall return in a good few chapters/years stronger than ever, maybe like he was 20years ago? that'd be epic >D
and then Moria an destroy everyones theory that Perona is going to join the crew.I mean, an epic guy like him can't die so easily, riiight?
I mean, he's pretty strong… but...
there is one thing quite a few people haven't addressed here.
Forget the guy from Movie 1 (hell I haven't watched that) - Moria is the first person to introduce the concept of 'SHOOP DA WHOOP' into One Piece, like Law being the first to flip someone off (damned anime censor...) -
I'm with Beka.
Moria shall return in a good few chapters/years stronger than ever, maybe like he was 20years ago? that'd be epic >D
and then Moria an destroy everyones theory that Perona is going to join the crew.You can always hope. It is natural for men to indulge in the illusions of hope and shut their eyes against the painful truth.
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moria's fate? tch. :getlost: he is obviously being prepared to be the
! next fleet admiral :ninja:
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moria's fate? tch. :getlost: he is obviously being prepared to be the
! next fleet admiral :ninja:
No dude, he will obviously…
! be one the three new Shichibukai: along with Doppelman and Oars Jr zombie.
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If you guys want him to return and be awesome so much, you could always go and create your own fanfiction, instead of reading One Piece where none of this is ever going to happen.
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If you guys want him to return and be awesome so much, you could always go and create your own fanfiction, instead of reading One Piece where none of this is ever going to happen.
You can say that if you want, that won't change anything. Moria might be dead, but he is probably still alive. If Oda really wanted us to be sure Moria died, he will have shown it more clearly as he did with Ace or Whitebeard. For some reasons, he allows uncertainty to persist.
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If you guys want him to return and be awesome so much, you could always go and create your own fanfiction, instead of reading One Piece where none of this is ever going to happen.
see how you can see into the future can you tell me the lottry numbers for next week
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If Oda really wanted us to be sure Moria died, he will have shown it more clearly as he did with Ace or Whitebeard. For some reasons, he allows uncertainty to persist.
Yeah, Bellamy's coming back too, right?
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with Moria dead they'll not only need to find a new shichibukai but a new sexiest man in the world
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Yeah, Bellamy's coming back too, right?
There is a difference between Moria's situation and Bellamy's one. For Moria there is still answers that we should be given. It's sure that Oda will give one day the name of the man who decide Moria should die, and until we get it, the Moria case isn't over.
That said, I wouldn't be surprised if Bellamy made a cameo appearance when Doflamingo will be defeated or when Luffy will find the One Piece.
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There is a difference between Moria's situation and Bellamy's one. For Moria there is still answers that we should be given. It's sure that Oda will give one day the name of the man who decide Moria should die, and until we get it, the Moria case isn't over.
That said, I wouldn't be surprised if Bellamy made a cameo appearance when Doflamingo will be defeated or when Luffy will find the One Piece.
Uh Uh, there is no difference in their situation. And as far as that "still there are many answers that should be given" theory of yours Gol D. Roger and the rest of those flashback characters that died disagree. Lol
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Uh Uh, there is no difference in their situation. And as far as that "still there are many answers that should be given" theory of yours Gol D. Roger and the rest of those flashback characters that died disagree. Lol
Ballamy, a minor character, was given the coup de grace by Sarkiss controlled by Dofla. We know it happened even though we didn't technically see it but it was very heavily hinted in that panel in the manga..
Moria is shichibukai a major villain with a past and we never saw him get killed.
We never saw him on the brink of death.
We saw him in grave danger. And later some doubts were expressed as to his fate by Mihawk and Perona.This is basic story telling. There's more to Moria's death than meets the eye.
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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v190/Trick-ot-Treater/15.jpg
this page really sheds a new light after recent events.
It really sounds like they do plan to off him, just for the "present" to keep him.
meaning use him for the war and then dispose of him.
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Ballamy, a minor character, was given the coup de grace by Sarkiss controlled by Dofla. We know it happened even though we didn't technically see it but it was very heavily hinted in that panel in the manga..
Moria is shichibukai a major villain with a past and we never saw him get killed.
We never saw him on the brink of death.
We saw him in grave danger. And later some doubts were expressed as to his fate by Mihawk and Perona.This is basic story telling. There's more to Moria's death than meets the eye.
Keep telling yourself that. Let me just remind you, Ace and WB are more major than him and guess what. THEY ARE DEAD.
