Noooo! SamJ!!!
It sucks, because no matter who wins the next fight, we lose. :(
Noooo! SamJ!!!
It sucks, because no matter who wins the next fight, we lose. :(
You do realize that this is the same case with Sasuke and Danzo, right?
The word of the day is hypocrisy.
You guys are all hippo clits. >_>
Oh c'mon. They're just trying to uphold the hippocratic oath.
I don't mean noone ever gets shot in the head. My point was he didn't shoot luffy in the head, but had the accuracy to shoot a small key
Mmmmmmmmmmmm….You are right... But maybe Kizaru wanted to capture Luffy alive. I dunno. I wonder why didnt he indeed.
So what does that make you? A dork? :ninja:
There's some underlying sarcasm/pun here, but I just don't see it. Orz
As an apology for Naruto's canon failings:
[qimg]http://www.infinitelives.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/grimfandango.jpg[/qimg]
Man, there's an awesome game with a guy with that face, I remember it being the first game where I had to use an walk through the whole way through
There's some underlying sarcasm/pun here, but I just don't see it. Orz
! Dork means penis.
You do realize that this is the same case with Sasuke and Danzo, right?
I was being sarcastic. He was complaining about kids beating verterns and i refered to croc vs Luffy. IDK wat robby is complaining about when verterns lose to kids all the time in shonen
I was being sarcastic. He was complaining about kids beating verterns and i refered to croc vs Luffy. IDK wat robby is complaining about when verterns lose to kids all the time in shonen
Like how a 15 year old kid who gained a new power and in just a few weeks comes to beat a practiced fighter who's centuries old? :ninja:
hey at least one piece characters are between 17-34 years old
well chopper i guess is 15
but in naruto we have been having this shit since they were 12, and now just 15 and they are now GODS
hey at least one piece characters are between 17-34 years old
well chopper i guess is 15
but in naruto we have been having this shit since they were 12, and now just 15 and they are now GODS
Yes…
But I was referencing Bleach and more specifically Ichigo.
Both opponents pounding each other to mutual unconscious so that the battle is determined by sheer will and an extra half ounce of strength, is vastly different from a war veteran of hundreds of battles falling for a really obvious ploy, having no idea how to make effective use of their own techniques, and being defeated by the very first technique rookies have to learn to become apprentice ninjas.
If Crocadile lost to Luffy because his logia wears out after 60 seconds and hepaid no heed to this fact, I'd be calling shenanigans there, too. Instead, he absolutely defeated Luffy the first two times they fought, and Luffy brought it up to even by utilizing Croc's weakness.
If Piccollo lost to 15 year old Goku because Goku used tri-form and he attacked the wrong two fakes, I'd call shenaigans there too. Instead, he broke both of Goku's arms, and legs, leaving him completely helpess, and then nuked the arena. Its only becaue Goku had learned to fly (Which was a technique that had impressed him three years prior when Tien did it) and he'd saved that surprise technique till the last second he got in a final blow, while he was broken.
So. If Hidan had poofed Naruto's three shadow clones, and then broken the real Naruto's arms, but Naruto managed to make a rasengan with his feet while bleeding and nearly dying while pinned to a tree, I'd have no complaints.
If Danzo had gone "Oh shit, I've lost 8 of my lives to this little kid, I should start retreating", or he'd actualy managed to seriously wound Sasuke so the kid could barely move, and then Sasuke stabbed him in the back, or Madara intervened and got in the final blow, that'd be fine too. Instead, he went "Hey, I've used up most of my resources already, I guess I'll keep pressing my luck even though its not working for me at all so far."
Its fine when the 15 year old is crazy strong and has endurance beyond all means, and manages to get in a final blow when they should by all rights be dead or unable to move, having given it their all. But for war veterans to be beaten by stupid childish ploys as elaborate as "hey, your shoe lace is untied, look over there!" ? That's lame.
Its not the concept of a kid beating an adult thats the problem. Its the execution. Sheer power and endurance is one thing. A powerful adult losing to a powerful child with crazy endurance is one thing. An adult with any kind of brain with thousands of hours of combat experience losing in a battle of wits and strategy with a normal child however, is pretty dumb.
Yes…
But I was referencing Bleach and more specifically Ichigo.
ah sorry forgot that ichigo was also 15 years old. he looks nothign like a 15 year old.
@robbybedfart:
Both opponents pounding each other to mutual unconscious so that the battle is determined by sheer will and an extra half ounce of strength, is vastly different from a war veteran of hundreds of battles falling for a really obvious ploy, having no idea how to make effective use of their own techniques, and being defeated by the very first technique rookies have to learn to become apprentice ninjas.
If Crocadile lost to Luffy because his logia wears out after 60 seconds and hepaid no heed to this fact, I'd be calling shenanigans there, too. Instead, he absolutely defeated Luffy the first two times they fought, and Luffy brought it up to even by utilizing Croc's weakness.
If Piccollo lost to 15 year old Goku because Goku used tri-form and he attacked the wrong two fakes, I'd call shenaigans there too. Instead, he broke both of Goku's arms, and legs, leaving him completely helpess, and then nuked the arena. Its only becaue Goku had learned to fly (Which was a technique that had impressed him three years prior when Tien did it) and he'd saved that surprise technique till the last second he got in a final blow, while he was broken.
So. If Hidan had poofed Naruto's three shadow clones, and then broken the real Naruto's arms, but Naruto managed to make a rasengan with his feet while bleeding and nearly dying while pinned to a tree, I'd have no complaints.
If Danzo had gone "Oh shit, I've lost 8 of my lives to this little kid, I should start retreating", or he'd actualy managed to seriously wound Sasuke so the kid could barely move, and then Sasuke stabbed him in the back, or Madara intervened and got int he final blow, that'd be fine too.
Its fine when the 15 year old is crazy strong and has endurance beyond all means, and manages to get in a final blow when they should by all rights be dead or unable to move, having given it their all. But for war veterans to be beaten by stupid childish ploys as elaborate as "hey, your shoe lace is untied, look over there!" ? That's lame.
Its not the concept of a kid beating an adult thats the problem. Its the execution. Sheer power and endurance is one thing. Cheap trick is another.
very true, though should mention, that goku did not learn how to fly. he used a kamehameha to propel himself in the air with his only good arm left.
but yea its totally bullshit in naruto with the seasoned/experienced veterans loosing to shit that is the very thing that distinguishes a rookie from a veteran. a veteran would not lose to something like that
ah sorry forgot that ichigo was also 15 years old. he looks nothign like a 15 year old.
very true, though should mention, that goku did not learn how to fly. he used a kamehameha to propel himself in the air with his only good arm left.
but yea its totally bullshit in naruto with the seasoned/experienced veterans loosing to shit that is the very thing that distinguishes a rookie from a veteran. a veteran would not lose to something like that
Piccollo senior broke Goku's legs and one arm, and then Goku launched himself with a kamehameha. Junior, having learned from his father's mistake, broke ALL of Goku's limbs, and thats when Goku pulled out flying as a surprise.
Also note, that I never once have called foul on Shikimaru beating his opponent.
I have NO PROBLEM at all, with Shikimaru, especially with prep time, outsmarting his enemy, since his specialty is cunning and plotting and a huge deal is made out of him being to strategize better than anyone and being a genius. And then he has a full day and night to scheme? That works perfectly fine, THAT'S no failing of the villain, thats the hero using superior skill in a narrow contest, and he had a lot of time to set up to overcome a stronger opponent. (Similar to Hunter X Hunter where Gon fights Bomber.)
When its the hero's ability overcoming, thats fine. When its the villain's stupidity? To fall for "look over there!"…. and for so MANY villains to do it? (Especially in a world where hypnotizing eyeballs and illusion traps and log replacements and shadow clones are all common techniques?) Not so much.
@robbybedfart:
Piccollo senior roke Goku's legs and one arm, and then Goku launched himself with a kamehameha. Junior, having learned from his father's mistake, broke ALL of Goku's limbs, and thats when Goku pulled out flying as a surprise.
oh you were talking about older goku, well he was 18 at that time wasn't he?
cause we met goku at age 12, he went in tournament sometime then
then next tournament 3 years later is when piccollo showed up so he woudl have been 15
then again 3 years later for junior
Like how a 15 year old kid who gained a new power and in just a few weeks comes to beat a practiced fighter who's centuries old? :ninja:
I never said Naruto doesn't do it. I was pointing out other shonen character do it. I wasn't the one being a hypocrite. I didn't start this argument, robby did.
I never said Naruto doesn't do it. I was pointing out other shonen character do it. I wasn't the one being a hypocrite. I didn't start this argument, robby did.
were fine with a random powerup, or beating them with sheer strength and stamina
what were calling bullshit on is a cheap ass trick like say a shadow clone or something working on an experienced fighter.
they are experienced because they have dealt with hundreds/thousands of battles and seen and experinced all these tricks and should not fall for them. that is what is pathetic.
i mean how many times in this series has the bad guy been taken unawares by the "hidden in the shadow of a faux attack" That is not something an experienced fighter should fall for
hey at least one piece characters are between 17-34 years old
well chopper i guess is 15
but in naruto we have been having this shit since they were 12, and now just 15 and they are now GODS
Kishi has had prodigies established way back when. Zabuza was going ape shit at a young age, Kakashi becomes a jonin in his teens, Itachi was in the ANBU and was powerful has hell at 17, Gaara is a Kage, Minato was a young Kage, Raikage seems to of been a badass at a young age in flashback cutting off 8 tails horns. How is Sasuke/Naruto different from wat has been established throughout the series?? Its like soccer, players are beasts at 16-25. Lets not pretend Kishi just made this up. OP characters prime seems to be later through like 19-40 maybe or even longer considering WB.
Juju, you need to fix that signature nigga.
were fine with a random powerup, or beating them with sheer strength and stamina
what were calling bullshit on is a cheap ass trick like say a shadow clone or something working on an experienced fighter.
they are experienced because they have dealt with hundreds/thousands of battles and seen and experinced all these tricks and should not fall for them. that is what is pathetic.
i mean how many times in this series has the bad guy been taken unawares by the "hidden in the shadow of a faux attack" That is not something an experienced fighter should fall for
The only time this happen was Kakazu and he thought attacking the real Naruto disperse his move. other then that, i don't know wat your talking about. Pein was beaten similar to Moria because Luffy had help. Naruto had help from everywhere. Danzo was conserving chakra in the fight against Sasuke because he saw Tobi has the bigger threat and Danzo wasn't in his prime similar to the 3rd.
Not a bad chapter.
Yes, Guy is th best thing ever. Yes, Killer Bee is fun. Yes, the editor's note on the cover probably is the funniest thing to come of this manga in ages.
But on the other hand it all is tainted by pages of woopdydoo!powerups and warped self reflections.
Now I can't help but wonder will Guy do anything more than this.
@robbybedfart:
Both opponents pounding each other to mutual unconscious so that the battle is determined by sheer will and an extra half ounce of strength, is vastly different from a war veteran of hundreds of battles falling for a really obvious ploy, having no idea how to make effective use of their own techniques, and being defeated by the very first technique rookies have to learn to become apprentice ninjas.
If Crocadile lost to Luffy because his logia wears out after 60 seconds and hepaid no heed to this fact, I'd be calling shenanigans there, too. Instead, he absolutely defeated Luffy the first two times they fought, and Luffy brought it up to even by utilizing Croc's weakness.
If Piccollo lost to 15 year old Goku because Goku used tri-form and he attacked the wrong two fakes, I'd call shenaigans there too. Instead, he broke both of Goku's arms, and legs, leaving him completely helpess, and then nuked the arena. Its only becaue Goku had learned to fly (Which was a technique that had impressed him three years prior when Tien did it) and he'd saved that surprise technique till the last second he got in a final blow, while he was broken.
So. If Hidan had poofed Naruto's three shadow clones, and then broken the real Naruto's arms, but Naruto managed to make a rasengan with his feet while bleeding and nearly dying while pinned to a tree, I'd have no complaints.
If Danzo had gone "Oh shit, I've lost 8 of my lives to this little kid, I should start retreating", or he'd actualy managed to seriously wound Sasuke so the kid could barely move, and then Sasuke stabbed him in the back, or Madara intervened and got in the final blow, that'd be fine too. Instead, he went "Hey, I've used up most of my resources already, I guess I'll keep pressing my luck even though its not working for me at all so far."
Its fine when the 15 year old is crazy strong and has endurance beyond all means, and manages to get in a final blow when they should by all rights be dead or unable to move, having given it their all. But for war veterans to be beaten by stupid childish ploys as elaborate as "hey, your shoe lace is untied, look over there!" ? That's lame.
Its not the concept of a kid beating an adult thats the problem. Its the execution. Sheer power and endurance is one thing. A powerful adult losing to a powerful child with crazy endurance is one thing. An adult with any kind of brain with thousands of hours of combat experience losing in a battle of wits and strategy with a normal child however, is pretty dumb.
Where is Danzo going to run?:wassat: Karin(elite sensor), Tobi(Goes where the hell he wants) are both watching the fight closely along with tone of the fastest characters in manga Sasuke. Where is he going exactly? If u want to bring up KB escaping then, you need to know that KB dropped a tentacle on Karin(The sensor) and Madara wasn't their to watch the fight closely. Actually, Sasuke was clearly the one with more endurance and speed for a old man far beyond his prime. The old man was also wasn't getting healed and was conserving chakra for Tobi.
hey juju can i have some insight on how you think this shark guy development is going
what was the point of having him end up being ALIVE in the end?
cause really you can't honestly believe that between guy, naruto, wood guy, killer b, and whoever else is there that he stands a chance
Was his whole purpose so that we could see Naruto sense EVIL, and then see his new strength?
And oh i just can't wait for naruto to meet sasuke again and sense how DARK he is. man this is making me sick
hey juju can i have some insight on how you think this shark guy development is going
what was the point of having him end up being ALIVE in the end?
cause really you can't honestly believe that between guy, naruto, wood guy, killer b, and whoever else is there that he stands a chance
Was his whole purpose so that we could see Naruto sense EVIL, and then see his new strength?
And oh i just can't wait for naruto to meet sasuke again and sense how DARK he is. man this is making me sick
Kyuubi has been shown to sense evil and appear near it wayyyy back. I don't see how Naruto getting that power is so unbelievable. We will see in the following chapters wat happens with the fish guy. I can't really answer your question.
Juju, you need to fix that signature nigga.
Wow, you got banned again?
I heard once in another forum (I think it was Brennen.exe) that this forum was like a revolving door, you could get kicked out and just come back in
I thought he was joking…
...
No longer
Speaking of which, has loldinmypants come back? And if so, is his name nice now?
Just a mere typo
You should say "I lost to TLC in a debate"
"Lost in a debate to Thousand Lion about Naruto" was the specific wager, actually.
Just seems odd to me that someone who is deemed experienced, competant, and skilled enough to be Hokage… wouldn't have a couple of tricks for escaping a fight. Or would keep fighting a doomed battle, knowing full well, that even if it was won, there's another much stronger opponent waiting right there to face you on empty.
Seems like a good time to do whatever the hell you can to get away. A log or shadow clone buying you thirty seconds might be a good idea. But hey, those are basic techniques that kids first learn before they can even become apprentice ninja, so I guess they're beneath an uber elite hokage fighting for his life.
Or "I lose to TLC in debates"
If I lost, I would put in my sign "TLC is a master debater"
Come on, guys, the joke would never be so appropriate
Edit:
Hell no I ain't a snitch!
You changed it. Fix it back. Date and everything.
Oh, so that means he's back? Nice
One thing is for sure, his name isn't as bad as the one before, derp
@robbybedfart:
"Lost in a debate to Thousand Lion about Naruto" was the specific wager, actually.
Just seems odd to me that someone who is deemed experienced, competant, and skilled enough to be Hokage… wouldn't have a couple of tricks for escaping a fight. Or would keep fighting a doomed battle, knowing full well, that even if it was won, there's another much stronger opponent waiting right there to face you on empty.
Seems like a good time to do whatever the hell you can to get away. A log or shadow clone buying you thirty seconds might be a good idea. But hey, those are basic techniques that kids first learn before they can even become apprentice ninja, so I guess they're beneath an uber elite hokage fighting for his life.
That would work, if a sensor type and Madara wasn't their. He not going to get even 30 seconds with Karin/Madara watching his every move. If he could of run he would, but he had no chance. He was surrounded. He was saving shisui jutsu to fight Tobi.
KoS is a little brat :D .
So, Naruto continues to fail as a manga. Wonder when it's going to end.
Kuroten seems like a pretty knowledgable new member to me. They seem to know the forum and the users pretty well for someone that joined two days ago. You should check out some of their posts, if you folks get the time.
Hello again KS. I didn't realize you'd been banned again.
Oh, so he's lol'd in my pants?
He suddenly got nice, or was that an act to fool me?
I didn't say that. Just that they seem to know the forum, including Zephos, pretty well for someone that joined two days ago.
@robbybedfart:
Kuroten seems like a pretty knowledgable new member to me. They seem to know the forum and the users pretty well for someone that joined two days ago. You should check out some of their posts, if you folks get the time.
Hello again KS. I didn't realize you'd been banned again.
LOL New names popping out of nowhere, but they now everyone.
Maybe he's a lurker?
I also lurked for 2 weeks before joining
@robbybedfart:
Hello again KS. I didn't realize you'd been banned again.
He hasn't been banned but he has been having some problems with his other account and he can't navigate on the site.
Juju, you need to fix that signature nigga.
KomeSwallow? Original, at least.
Maybe he's a lurker?
I also lurked for 2 weeks before joining
I beat you. I lurked hear for about a year and a half, got to know most people here and then joined. Of course, I didn't know Juju and some others, since I never came into the Naruto Threads/General Forums until I joined.
@Kairouseki:
KoS is a little brat :D .
Hey now! She can only call me that!
You can't resist the allure of this place, can you? It's riveting, isn't it?
Hey now! She can only call me that!
Good to know I can call you that whenever you want brat~
@Badass:
KomeSwallow? Original, at least.
Hater.
Good to know I can call you that whenever you want brat~
Not… really woman.
Maybe he's a lurker?
I also lurked for 2 weeks before joining
You should read his post. The guy has been around since 2008/2009. I don't agree with him, but I like him. He is ballsy.
Naruto was still a dumbass at the start of part 2, but Sasuke getting more and more evil and jman death got him emo for a while, but the last 20 or so chapters he been back to normal.
I didn't know killing sasuke and ten yourself was normal?
@Badass:
KomeSwallow? Original, at least.
I beat you. I lurked hear for about a year and a half, got to know most people here and then joined. Of course, I didn't know Juju and some others, since I never came into the Naruto Threads/General Forums until I joined.
Once you go black you never go back.