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Chapter 589: The Ambition of Turbulence
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@$abZ:
Didn't Oda actually want to make OP much shorter than he has planned now? (read it somewhere IIRC). I wonder if some of the characters he has atm would exist.
I don't think Oda planned Sabo from the start. It'd be amazing if he did though. I bet Sabo was planned not too long ago… and he created Sabo's pirate flag as Ace's tattoo to give it significance (which would negate Oda saying it was a tattoo error).
Yeah it was supposed to be for 5 years. Super glad he didn't.
Yeah Sabo being planned from the start doesn't seem likely, but it's just all so well put together. Like when he introduced Ace and Ace said he was looking for Blackbeard, had he he already decided that it will all lead to this war. But Ace wanted to protect Luffy against Blackbeard so much, I think he had the Sabo thing in mind.
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I suspect that Sabo is the Revo's version of Coby. Someone who Luffy can relate to and knows, but who's on the other side. I doubt Luffy and Dragon are going to be buddy buddy when they meet.
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Yeah it was supposed to be for 5 years. Super glad he didn't.
Yeah Sabo being planned from the start doesn't seem likely, but it's just all so well put together. Like when he introduced Ace and Ace said he was looking for Blackbeard, had he he already decided that it will all lead to this war. But Ace wanted to protect Luffy against Blackbeard so much, I think he had the Sabo thing in mind.
I have to refute this.
Yeah One Piece is much longer than planned. Yes much of the details wasn't planned from the beginning.
But:
- Won't Oda know the begenning of the journey as well at how it ends ? What about the "middle" of it, the war at the summit ?
- Oda wouldn't tries some cheap trick like introducing another brother of the main character. It would be like lying to himself, and all of his readers.
My point is that I think Oda have a huge, huge background. When One Piece starts and the length was planned for 5 fives, I have no doubt Oda story had enough storyline and background to be going on a 20 years trips if needed. With small gap for the details that will be decided on-the-fly.
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One question… Do you think Dadan also raised Dragon cut Garp left him to her.
Somehow no wife of Garp or wife of Dragon was ever mentioned. The only female D was Rogue.
Luffy he even said he had no one besides Garp and Ace.
I figure Garp tried raising Dragon to be a marine, failed and then decided any other children or grandchildren he ended up taking care of would go to Dadan.
Looking back on it I wonder if Garp had a good idea they might not end up marines since they grew up on an island with a corrupt kingdom.
The females still don't matter to me.
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We know 2 weeks have passed already… Would be someone suprised if Dragon would show up now at AL?
Iva should have already contacted Dragon and Dragon should know that Luffy is heavily injured and his will is gone.
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We know 2 weeks have passed already… Would be someone suprised if Dragon would show up now at AL?
Iva should have already contacted Dragon and Dragon should know that Luffy is heavily injured and his will is gone.
Iva left before Luffy woke up, didn't he?–How would he know his will is gone?
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@I:
Iva left before Luffy woke up, didn't he?–How would he know his will is gone?
Cuz he said something like that after Luffy passed out during the war
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Cuz he said something like that after Luffy passed out during the war
Oh yeah, (d'oh) I forgot, he did make that leap when he saw Luffy basically zone out after Ace died. I hope you are right and he tells Dragon, but not sure it'd come to much with Dragon–Dragon has seemingly made his priorities clear in his bahavior already, right? Maybe, though, Robin would find out and it'd lead to something.
Things is, in just about every instance of Luffy being in real trouble he has been separated from his crew (with the exception of TB--but there it was only due to Kuma showing up--not from him fighting himself into a near death state) This seems to follow the typical "hero" meme for adventure stories, so not sure Oda will break this pattern this time. (And I include EL because they weren't there and could only reach him through Robin's df powers)
eta--though the power of friends and their support has been made extremely important, hasn't it, with Usopp encouraging Luffy to win over Rob Lucchi and the whole Gambarre Mugi-chan stuff with Bon Kure... Hmmm.
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Yoo, Zoro cameo, how weird is that ? ^^
Excellent chapter, i'm quite happy that the flashback is finally over, it was interesting but well….
Can't wait to see what Luffy is going to do next.
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I have to refute this.
Yeah One Piece is much longer than planned. Yes much of the details wasn't planned from the beginning.
But:
- Won't Oda know the begenning of the journey as well at how it ends ? What about the "middle" of it, the war at the summit ?
- Oda wouldn't tries some cheap trick like introducing another brother of the main character. It would be like lying to himself, and all of his readers.
My point is that I think Oda have a huge, huge background. When One Piece starts and the length was planned for 5 fives, I have no doubt Oda story had enough storyline and background to be going on a 20 years trips if needed. With small gap for the details that will be decided on-the-fly.
Yeah I agree, seems more likely.
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Zik you miscomprehended a lot of that last post.
@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:Ace being Roger's son has NOTHING to do with the fact that WB was coming to save him. Outside of Ace's crappy self image character Oda could've left out Roger being his father.
Never said that it had anything to do with WB, it's pretty significant because Ace represented the last blood connection to Roger which goes back to that whole thing I was talking about concerning important character connections, Ace had a shit ton each going in different but interconnecting areas of the plot which made his death a huge event.
@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:I'm not going to engage in this speculation of whether or not he's a commander or taken Iva or Kuma's position. Of course Dragon is the leader. If you think I was arguing you that you've lost your mind.
Never said that you were arguing hierarchy, again you miss the point. My entire point with that is that Sabo not being as important a character in the revolutionary army likely means that he won't be as important and at front and center when we get to that arc, basically I just don't see him being as important as Dragon in the one arc that we're guaranteed to see Sabo again.
@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:Just because Sabo won't be as important as the fucking leader of the revolutionary army does not mean he'll be a side line cheer leading character.
I never said that it was guaranteed that he'd be a cheerleader, when you quoted me from the get go I was saying that I hope Oda doesn't go that route but that I'm also withholding judgement because Oda deserves the benefit of the doubt. With that being said it's obvious that Oda will have some sort of plot point involving Sabo beyond the emotional reunion with Luffy but I'm wondering whether or not the plot point will be significant enough to establish Sabo in the story beyond just the flashback long lost brother who's a revolutionary. Ace had a shit ton of major connections that gave him a purpose to live and die in the story but how can Sabo compete with that and justify Oda's move of giving Luffy another big brother in the story when we're just hearing about this guy twelve years into the story and considering that his one guaranteed role as a revolutionary will more than likely be overshadowed by Dragon. You totally miss the nuance in what I'm saying.
@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
That's irrelevant. An emotional reunion will not be his purpose. You gotta be retarded to keep reiterating this as if it supports your point.So once again you can't think of anything so you'll worry about the options you think are possible. Logical fallacy of the false dilemma.
What are you talking about? Oda didn't need to justify anything about Ace when we just heard about him. He didn't just whip together some sob story and kill Sabo off. He actually gave him a personality, a worthwhile dream and character development unlike the other dead flashback characters.Again you miscomprehended what I was saying, I never said that the reunion was his sole purpose just that the reunion is a guaranteed outcome.
And logical fallacy my ass, I have every right to seriously consider the bad directions that Oda could take Sabo and I don't just think that that they are possible, they are possible. That's like falling off a cliff and putting no stock into the very real chance that you may die at the bottom just because there are scenarios that could save you. Oda has the tall order of giving Sabo's existence in the story justification beyond his connection to Luffy. Sure Sabo has a dream and character development but those don't satisfy the fact that we've just been introduced to this character in a 7 chapter flashback after 12 years of never hearing of him when he had such a close relationship to Luffy as his brother.Sabo needs some purpose beyond just being Luffy's brother and a high ranking position as a revolutionary, otherwise it wouldn't make any damn sense to introduce this character as Luffy's brother after giving Luffy character development from losing the guy who we thought was his one and only brother, nor would it make sense to have him be just the family member in the revolutionary army when there's Dragon who's likely to undermine Sabo's plot significance in the one arc we know we'll see him in again.
Also never said anything about justifying Ace, Ace wasn't introduced as being Luffy's brother so late in the story after Luffy had just lost a brother like Sabo was, which is why Sabo needs justification.
@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:Again your worries seem to be your own fault due to your limitations. Oda uses this cliche move you hate so much and you're off thinking it'll be to reintroduce a character that's on the sidelines as a cheer leader for the protagonist.
I guess this is why so many fans call Oda Goda and scream epic after every good chap.Coulda sworn that I said that I'm giving Oda the benefit of the doubt but that doesn't mean that I'm going to stupidly right off the bad directions Sabo's character can be taken when you consider what he has been introduced as, how he was introduced and how we haven't seen him in the story in the present.
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Never said that it had anything to do with WB, it's pretty significant because Ace represented the last blood connection to Roger which goes back to that whole thing I was talking about concerning important character connections, Ace had a shit ton each going in different but interconnecting areas of the plot which made his death a huge event.
These connections which weren't foreshadowed or hinted to at all. Like I said going off of introduction Sabo has had much more development but regardless of that it's likely he will end up having important character connections when the revolutionary/world noble-WG saga starts.
Never said that you were arguing hierarchy, again you miss the point. My entire point with that is that Sabo not being as important a character in the revolutionary army likely means that he won't be as important and at front and center when we get to that arc, basically I just don't see him being as important as Dragon in the one arc that we're guaranteed to see Sabo in again.
I'm guessing you felt the same way about Ace before he got his character development in the war.
I never said that it was guaranteed that he'd be a cheerleader when you quoted me from the get go I was saying that I hope Oda doesn't go that route
I never said you did either. I'm saying the notion of Sabo ending up that way is bullshit.
With that being said it's obvious that Oda will have some sort of plot point involving Sabo beyond the emotional reunion with Luffy
So your worries of him being a side line cheer leader have no foundation.
but I'm wondering whether or not the plot point will be significant enough to establish Sabo in the story beyond just the flashback long lost brother who's a revolutionary. Ace had a shit ton of major connections that gave him a purpose to live and die in the story but how can Sabo compete with that and justify Oda's move of giving Luffy another big brother in the story when we're just hearing about this guy twelve years into the story and considering that his one guaranteed role as a revolutionary will more than likely be overshadowed by Dragon.
So after seeing what he did with Ace with no hints to it you're still wondering if he'll be able to do the same with Sabo. Okay.
Again you miscomprehended what I was saying, I never said that the reunion was his sole purpose just that the reunion is a guaranteed outcome.
Doesn't that go without saying?
And logical fallacy my ass, I have every right to seriously consider the bad directions that Oda could take Sabo and I don't just think that that they are possible, they are possible.
They're not at all probable. You aslo have the right to sound crazy in doing so.
That's like falling off a cliff and putting no stock into the very real chance that you may die at the bottom just because there are scenarios that could save you.
NO IT IS NOT. Falling off a cliff makes it very probable that you would die. I'm not saying this bullshit you're worrying about isn't possible but given Oda's track record they're not worth considering. There's a lot of shitty possibilities that could happen with any OP character, giving them a serious chance of happening is ridiculous but I'm guessing you do that due to how butthurt you were from his use of a cliche.
Oda has the tall order of giving Sabo's existence in the story justification beyond his connection to Luffy.
Tall order to you. It's pretty obvious that Oda's planned out a good deal of Sabo's future role in this story since he went to the lengths of not actually killing him yet making his "death" have an impact on Ace and Luffy. Not to mention all of his character development in a flashback that effected Luffy and Ace the most.
Sabo needs some purpose beyond just being Luffy's brother and a high ranking position as a revolutionary
Doubting this will happen is stupid imo. You're basically implying it's probable that Oda will suddenly drop a couple hundred levels in his story telling ability and characterziation.
otherwise it wouldn't make any damn sense to introduce this character as Luffy's brother after giving Luffy character development from losing the guy who we thought was his one and only brother, nor would it make sense to have him be just the family member in the revolutionary army when there's Dragon who's likely to undermine Sabo's plot significance in the one arc we know we'll see him in again.
No shit Sherlock.
Coulda sworn that I said that I'm giving Oda the benefit of the doubt but that doesn't mean that I'm going to stupidly right off the bad directions Sabo's character can be taken when you consider what he has been introduced as, how he was introduced and how we haven't seen him in the story in the present.
Giving him the benefit of the doubt is irrelevant since the worries are ridiculous.
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Wow….Its been exactly 100 chapters since the new arc started when the strawhats were supposed to go to fishman island. Honesly now i wonder what effect will the story have on that place now.
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Well at least we've had important plot related stuff happen in those three years .
I mean , lookit Bleach :ninja:
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@Gia:
Wow….Its been exactly 100 chapters since the new arc started when the strawhats were supposed to go to fishman island. Honesly now i wonder what effect will the story have on that place now.
Whitebeard is dead, so the place is chaotic now, for sure
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@Gia:
Wow….Its been exactly 100 chapters since the new arc started when the strawhats were supposed to go to fishman island. Honesly now i wonder what effect will the story have on that place now.
actually we coup de bursted away from Garp on chapter 439, exactly 150 chapters ago.
This was on our way to the next place the log pose was pointing and that would be Fishman Island.
So 150 chapters actually.
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I suspect that Sabo is the Revo's version of Coby. Someone who Luffy can relate to and knows, but who's on the other side. I doubt Luffy and Dragon are going to be buddy buddy when they meet.
But I doubt they'll waste time fighting each other either. Their interests lie in the same direction and dragon already saved luffy once.
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@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:
These connections which weren't foreshadowed or hinted to at all. Like I said going off of introduction Sabo has had much more development but regardless of that it's likely he will end up having important character connections when the revolutionary/world noble-WG saga starts.
Well let's see, Ace was introduced as the 2nd division commander under Whitebeard damn near instantly and was introduced as hunting Teach instantly both of which are major ass connections to characters who have great significance in the OP world, and although Ace being Roger's son had no true foreshadowing that any person could pick up, he does look a lot fucking like him so it isn't like something Oda ass pulled or decided after creating Ace. Even Ace's death was foreshadowed with him being the Ace of Spades.
@AdmiralYonkouMt.Bandit:I'm guessing you felt the same way about Ace before he got his character development in the war.
If you mean that I felt the same way about Ace compared to WB in the war arc then the answer is not really because Ace was put front and center just by being the damsel in distress. But if you mean just from his mention at his introduction of being a subordinate to WB, then I'll just say that I had no real clue of what to expect of his importance to the main plot beyond him fighting Blackbeard and being around for when Whitebeard is introduced.
@Zik:I never said you did either. I'm saying the notion of Sabo ending up that way is bullshit. So your worries of him being a side line cheer leader have no foundation.
Not really, if Sabo's connection to the main plot is totally reliant on Dragon leaving him as a revolutionary support character who really doesn't do much but be happy for Luffy and follow Dragon's orders then I'll consider him a sidelined character who's a cheerleader. Basically Sabo needs a role in the main plot that will separate him from both Dragon and Luffy, he needs his own independent significance to justify him coming into the story the way he has.
@Zik:So after seeing what he did with Ace with no hints to it you're still wondering if he'll be able to do the same with Sabo. Okay.
No, Ace atleast was established as being the 2nd division commander to the world's strongest man who was established as being a captain who doesn't allow others to fuck with his crew and since Ace was chasing after Blackbeard the possibility of getting the world strongest pirate and his crew involved offered a ton of potential for things to go down. Now while Sabo has the major connection of the revolutionaries he also has the disadvantage of being potentially overshadowed by Dragon who is pretty much guaranteed to have a larger role than Sabo plotwise in anything involving the revolutionaries. Ace on the otherhand was introduced before WB was, had the benefit of having a connection to the main character and was also sort of the outlet for us to get any info about WB and the WB pirates, the first real showing of anything involving WB was in the meeting with Shanks which was mostly focused on Ace. Later when WB and his crew went into action for the first time it was to save Ace, almost everything about them seemed to revolve around Ace so even WB never really overshadowed Ace in the War arc in terms of his importance in it.
However when it comes to Sabo he's a subordinate to Dragon who's a guy we've known and wondered about long before Sabo came into the picture, a guy who's more than likely going to be the focus of any arc involving the both of them and he even has a personal connection to Luffy just like Sabo. And beyond the Revolutionary army and Luffy there's no other major plot connection that we know about now that we can speculate about for Sabo.
@Zik:Doesn't that go without saying?
Fine.
@Zik:They're not at all probable. You aslo have the right to sound crazy in doing so.NO IT IS NOT. Falling off a cliff makes it very probable that you would die. I'm not saying this bullshit you're worrying about isn't possible but given Oda's track record they're not worth considering. There's a lot of shitty possibilities that could happen with any OP character, giving them a serious chance of happening is ridiculous but I'm guessing you do that due to how butthurt you were from his use of a cliche.
It's worth considering because Oda put himself behind the eight ball with Sabo by the way he was introduced, it felt really odd that we would suddenly be introduced to a brother that we never heard one thing about after the death of the one brother that we had known about for the majority of the story. That's how it's like falling off a cliff, Oda made a character who only just appeared in flashback and who's given a major connection to the main character right after the death of the guy who was established for years and left to be perceived as the only brother to Luffy. Hell the hole in Ace's chest hadn't even stopped smoking by the time the brother position was filled back up. And my questions are: Why does Luffy need another big brother? Why does Luffy need another guy with familial relations in the revolutionary army? Why would Oda have this guy introduced in these positions after so many years?
@Zik:
Tall order to you. It's pretty obvious that Oda's planned out a good deal of Sabo's future role in this story since he went to the lengths of not actually killing him yet making his "death" have an impact on Ace and Luffy. Not to mention all of his character development in a flashback that effected Luffy and Ace the most.
Doubting this will happen is stupid imo. You're basically implying it's probable that Oda will suddenly drop a couple hundred levels in his story telling ability and characterziation. No shit Sherlock.
Giving him the benefit of the doubt is irrelevant since the worries are ridiculous.I'm not debating Oda having planned Sabo's future, I'm saying that whatever he's got planned will have to be really damn good to justify Sabo in my eyes. At the moment I'm not seeing the purpose of him at all. You can give a character all the likeability and character development that you want to but if the basis for his existence is shaky then it kills it. My final opinion on this plotline all comes down to the quality of the answers to the questions that I have in bold.
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HaxeyeMihawk, can't you see Sabo as a new Ivankok?
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http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/5/12/
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/589/07/Could this same event happened on the same night?
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One is in Full Moon, the other is in half moon
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it was actually irritating to see luffy run from here to there - hey, i need to save nakama, oh no now ill save margerita, and now ill save ace, no no i want to save bon chan!
He runs around, wastes his energy - all because of overconfidence (err, we love him like that).he forgets the previous goal so easily! has to become more more mature. maybe realization "i m weak" is not the last one.
grow up, luffy.
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it was actually irritating to see luffy run from here to there - hey, i need to save nakama, oh no now ill save margerita, and now ill save ace, no no i want to save bon chan!
He runs around, wastes his energy - all because of overconfidence (err, we love him like that).he forgets the previous goal so easily! has to become more more mature. maybe realization "i m weak" is not the last one.
grow up, luffy.
Luffy will most likely mature after this. However I wouldn't like it if he drastically changed.
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No one will like it.
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Yeah his "You all are weak imma fuck you up" stuff is really getting on my nerves. Im shocked for his feelings of being weak but im glad he ate some humble pie.
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why do you people think Sabo is alive?
just kidding
anyways, amazing chapter, maybe the best in the flashback.I may rank this flashback as the second best, preceded by Robin's of course.
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it was actually irritating to see luffy run from here to there - hey, i need to save nakama, oh no now ill save margerita, and now ill save ace, no no i want to save bon chan!
He runs around, wastes his energy - all because of overconfidence (err, we love him like that).he forgets the previous goal so easily! has to become more more mature. maybe realization "i m weak" is not the last one.
grow up, luffy.
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kumathe bear bastard sent me to a place full of strong women, but ultimately safe, probably the crew is relatively ok, I trust their strength, So, you can break those girls who saved me from a situation that I couldn't do anything by myself! And my brother for over half my life is getting executed, It doesn't mater, my relatively safe crew needs me NOW! And the man that because I saved his life once was sent to hell, and now I try to break him out and stays back todiedissaparear from the plot for many years, so I won't even consider to save him!At this point Luffy should understand that if Kuma didn't punnied him away he'd been captured/killed by kizaru, that applies for the whole crew. And if he didn't yet by giving it a second thought would.
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he does look a lot fucking like him so it isn't like something Oda ass pulled or decided after creating Ace.
HaHAHAHAA!
Even Ace's death was foreshadowed with him being the Ace of Spades.
This is irrelevant.
But if you mean just from his mention at his introduction of being a subordinate to WB, then I'll just say that I had no real clue of what to expect of his importance to the main plot beyond him fighting Blackbeard and being around for when Whitebeard is introduced.
Just like you don't have much of a clue now what Oda would do with Sabo other than worrying about some nonsensical possibility.
Not really, if Sabo's connection to the main plot is totally reliant on Dragon leaving him as a revolutionary support character who really doesn't do much but be happy for Luffy and follow Dragon's orders then I'll consider him a sidelined character who's a cheerleader. Basically Sabo needs a role in the main plot that will separate him from both Dragon and Luffy, he needs his own independent significance to justify him coming into the story the way he has.
When did this dumbass idea come in to your mind? Why do you keep repeating it as if it's likely?
No, Ace atleast was established as being the 2nd division commander to the world's strongest man who was established as being a captain who doesn't allow others to fuck with his crew and since Ace was chasing after Blackbeard the possibility of getting the world strongest pirate and his crew involved offered a ton of potential for things to go down. Now while Sabo has the major connection of the revolutionaries he also has the disadvantage of being potentially overshadowed by Dragon who is pretty much guaranteed to have a larger role than Sabo plotwise in anything involving the revolutionaries. Ace on the otherhand was introduced before WB was, had the benefit of having a connection to the main character and was also sort of the outlet for us to get any info about WB and the WB pirates, the first real showing of anything involving WB was in the meeting with Shanks which was mostly focused on Ace. Later when WB and his crew went into action for the first time it was to save Ace, almost everything about them seemed to revolve around Ace so even WB never really overshadowed Ace in the War arc in terms of his importance in it.
And why can't Oda handle that arc the same way he handled Ace and Wb in the war arc? None of what you're saying supports why you'd be worried that Sabo would become a side line cheer leading character. Dragon being the main focus in an upcoming arc doesn't make Sabo that.
However when it comes to Sabo he's a subordinate to Dragon who's a guy we've known and wondered about long before Sabo came into the picture, a guy who's more than likely going to be the focus of any arc involving the both of them and he even has a personal connection to Luffy just like Sabo. And beyond the Revolutionary army and Luffy there's no other major plot connection that we know about now that we can speculate about for Sabo.
I don't see what this has to do with what you originally said.
It's worth considering because Oda put himself behind the eight ball with Sabo by the way he was introduced, it felt really odd that we would suddenly be introduced to a brother that we never heard one thing about after the death of the one brother that we had known about for the majority of the story.
Wasn't odd at all.
That's how it's like falling off a cliff, Oda made a character who only just appeared in flashback and who's given a major connection to the main character right after the death of the guy who was established for years and left to be perceived as the only brother to Luffy.
It's in no way like that crazy ass analogy you made.
Hell the hole in Ace's chest hadn't even stopped smoking by the time the brother position was filled back up.
So what? Ace sucked balls.
And my questions are: Why does Luffy need another big brother? Why does Luffy need another guy with familial relations in the revolutionary army? Why would Oda have this guy introduced in these positions after so many years?
All of these will be answered whether you like the answers or not.
I'm not debating Oda having planned Sabo's future, I'm saying that whatever he's got planned will have to be really damn good to justify Sabo in my eyes.
It will but you're already bringing up dumb concerns as far as what Oda will do with Sabo so if it doesn't justify Sabo in your eyes I wouldn't be surprised.
At the moment I'm not seeing the purpose of him at all.
Of course you're not. You're still hung up over this cliche that allowed Sabo to live.
You can give a character all the likeability and character development that you want to but if the basis for his existence is shaky then it kills it.
This is what you fail to understand. The main fact that he gave Sabo character development, a really good foundation and then placed him in the revolutionaries tells us his existence will be meaningful and important to the story. You not being able to imagine that shouldn't be a reason you think Oda is going to make Sabo a shitty sideline cheer leading character just because you think he's written himself in a tight spot.
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At least we have something new to argue about.
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You know , part of me realy wants to post in the weekly discusions but when the first thing I see are several ginormous walls of texts with multiple quotes and bolded segments …..it just intimidates me as a casual forumer :ninja:
Anyways yeah 99 % chance it is Sabo . But I wanna wait for better translations to help me grasp what is going on in that scene .
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@No:
Anyways yeah 99 % chance it is Sabo . But I wanna wait for better translations to help me grasp what is going on in that scene .
If you would have read the thread you would have found the better translation for exactly that scene already.
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@No:
Anyways yeah 99 % chance it is Sabo . But I wanna wait for better translations to help me grasp what is going on in that scene .
Yeah, Aohige went to a lot of trouble to translate that exact scene in painstaking detail because this issue has arisen already several times. As tedious as it may be, reading threads all the way through, or barring that using the search feature, can be a good thing.
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Well I is tired and I stil gonna wait for a diferent scan regardless . I just wanna analyise botht the text and scene at the same time .
But I hope it won't be a Jimbei scan . It's like "We have incredibly horrendous scan quality AND language aproximaitng english" , it's like all your (bad) dreams about whichever group had "Seven gods of pirates" suddenly returning , comming to life .
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@No:
Well I is tired and I stil gonna wait for a diferent scan regardless . I just wanna analyise botht the text and scene at the same time .
If you're waiting for a scan then you can forget about better translations. While I do appreciate the scanslators effort no team nowadays is good in the field of translations. Aohige and Stephen are the guys who's stuff you need to read if you want good translations. And neither of them does scanslations.
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applauds
i just read the whole thread, entertaining i must say. you guys are always a riot!
and on the chapter itself…
luffy has finally reached the last of the 5 stages of grief, Acceptance.
Now what luffy does after this only oda knows.
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Just a bunch of pointless banter if you ask me.
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i didn't mind putting up with the banter, because i love getting to see stuff like this:
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I don't see how anyone could argue against Sabo's 'non-death' now, I mean, how much evidence do you guys need??
I thought Kizaru was always drunk 
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BTW, who here believes Bellamy is actually dead? I do
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BTW, who here believes Bellamy is actually dead? I do
i'd 90% written him off as dead from that very moment (the 10% opposition being that oda hadn't killed any major non flashback characters at that point)
so because it goes over 50%, yes i believe that he's dead too.
the guy who's fate i'm truly curious about is moria.
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Someone compile a list of all of the present time alleged deaths and flashback assumed deaths.
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This was a great chapter! I like the reason on why Luffy and Ace decided to leave the island when they became 17. Also, I liked how Dadan missed both Luffy and Ace (with the crying), when they left the island. And I think that next chapter, Luffy will somehow be a little better, and maybe we see how the other Strawhats are doing.
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If you're waiting for a scan then you can forget about better translations. While I do appreciate the scanslators effort no team nowadays is good in the field of translations. Aohige and Stephen are the guys who's stuff you need to read if you want good translations. And neither of them does scanslations.
I can put in good word for CNet. He does a great job.
But I don't know if any scanlators are using his scripts these days, and quite frankly with the way current trends are going, I think it's better to stay relatively low profile by not offering scanlation services. :ninja:I don't criticize fan scanlations, but I don't condone it either. And definitely don't want to be involved with it. At least not openly.
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@No:
Well I is tired and I stil gonna wait for a diferent scan regardless . I just wanna analyise botht the text and scene at the same time .
But I hope it won't be a Jimbei scan . It's like "We have incredibly horrendous scan quality AND language aproximaitng english" , it's like all your (bad) dreams about whichever group had "Seven gods of pirates" suddenly returning , comming to life .
You won't get a better translation of that scene than what we have from manga stream. I know that I've said it in this thread MULTIPLE times, and I don't even think it can be counted how many times Aohige had to waste time going over this. The manga stream translation of that scene is IDENTICAL(minus Ivankov special way of talking) to what's on the Japanese page. So wait for another scan all you like. You'll only be wasting your time.
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I don't see how anyone could argue against Sabo's 'non-death' now, I mean, how much evidence do you guys need??
it will go on till we see him in the future…
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Wano predictions: There will be 5 acts; All Straw Hats will get fights, some in Act 4; Big Mom Pirates will arrive; Carrot will have her moment, but won't join; Yamato will be a Kouzuki samurai and Wano's Guardian; Shanks will visit Luffy in Act 5; Next arc is Mary Geoise.
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Overhead the Bakhahtross hangs motionless upon the air
