Just saw it and easily best movie of this year thus far, beating Avengers soundly and being best of trilogy aswell. I dont go watch movies more than once at cinemas but now I am really tempted because it will take quite some time to appear as Blue ray
The Dark Knight Rises
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I totally spoiled this entire movie for the trolls at Millenniumforums. It was a douche thing to do but they had it coming. Anyway, I also groaned and cried bullshit when
! the cop was revealed to be Robin but on the brightside of things I was happy that Batman finally, after decades, after generations, finally got his happy ending. Shame it's not canon.
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If I may, even though I know it probably won't happen for a while, I'd like to pose that we stop comparing the films, and look at them, like you would LotR, as one big story.
! As TDKR really does come full circle with begins.
One of the first things we hear in Begins is "No, no, no. A vigilante is just a man lost in the scramble for his own gratification. He can be destroyed, or locked up. But if you make yourself more than just a man, if you devote yourself to an ideal, and if they can't stop you, then you become something else entirely….A legend, Mr. Wayne."
! And that's what finally happens. Batman becomes a symbol that can never be destroyed. What makes Rises so great is so heavily influenced by the first two films that it really is a crime to pick them apart.! Just an opinion maybe I'll have to see it again.
! May I specifically ask what about the ending disappointed you. If it's that Wayne lives, the movie perfectly explains how.
! I loved that they included the iconic back-breaking scene from the comics. Only way I would've liked it better would've been if Bane actually timed his speech so that he would've said "… break you!" while doing it like in the famous panel.
! The whole Robin thing was quite clumsy, yes. I would've preferred if he had used Dick Grayson or Tim Drake as his alias. Many people who know the comics have said the same but like Mr. Zoro said, maybe non-comic fans would not have recognized those names. I always thought that this was the way they would go and when Blake threw ranted about rules and orders and then threw his badge away, I knew what was gonna happen.! For Bane, though I do kinda agree with you, I feel like that was Nolan teasing the fans. I know thinking "is he really gonna do it?" the whole time during the fight. And then when he said "and then I'm going to break you" it was even more of an "Oh shit! Is he really going to do it?" While the comic fan in me wished it timed together, I think I get why Nolan did it.
! On the whole Robin's name thing, I think it goes beyon Nolan wanting to make sure casual fans understood. I think Nolan's point was to show that while Dick, Jason, and Tim had to become Robin, Blake was born Robin. It was his destiny.
Blake was always destined to throw away his page and then, literally, Rise (at the very end of the film) to becoming the Dark Knight. Just my opinion though.I know there were a lot of complaints about the movie's name, but I think we know all understand why Nolan did it. In the end the only important part was Rises, which, in the film itself can be interpreted so many different ways from literal to figurative, and I think we can all agree that The Dark Knight Rises flows a bit better than Batman Rises. The second one just sounds a little cheesy
Also, I will be seeing it for a third time later this evening, and it was my third time viewing TDK when i started to get a little disinterested here and there, so this will be the true test of the films rewatch-ability. I'm really hoping it's like BEgins where it just gets stronger with repeated viewings.
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Title was cheesy from the getgo. Batman fights Bane. Gets broken. Overcomes, and defeats him to save Gotham city. Ergo, The Dark Knight Rises. Comic fans can gauge the entire plot from the title alone.
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@XerXes:
Title was cheesy from the getgo. Batman fights Bane. Gets broken. Overcomes, and defeats him to save Gotham city. Ergo, The Dark Knight Rises. Comic fans can gauge the entire plot from the title alone.
Have you seen it yet? There's so much more to the whole "Rises" thing than just that.
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@Nex:
Have you seen it yet? There's so much more to the whole "Rises" thing than just that.
! I've seen it and I'm quite aware that there's more to it than that. Anyone who's ever picked up Knightfall knows there's so much more to it than that. However, it doesn't change the fact that the title itself is something of a giveaway for long-time fans. Typical moviegoers? Who cares? But longtime fans know the story, the mythology, and everything Batman has been through. On that note the movie didn't surprise me in too many areas. I wasn't expecting Talia to pop-up and the Robin reveal was a major WTF moment. But the whole "Rising" aspect was more like, OH ok I see how they did that. Rather than, OMFg wow I see how they did that.
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@XerXes:
! I've seen it and I'm quite aware that there's more to it than that. Anyone who's ever picked up Knightfall knows there's so much more to it than that. However, it doesn't change the fact that the title itself is something of a giveaway for long-time fans. Typical moviegoers? Who cares? But longtime fans know the story, the mythology, and everything Batman has been through. On that note the movie didn't surprise me in too many areas. I wasn't expecting Talia to pop-up and the Robin reveal was a major WTF moment. But the whole "Rising" aspect was more like, OH ok I see how they did that. Rather than, OMFg wow I see how they did that.
Spoiler tag all of that.
! Well, Nolan plays with the fans, as he doesn't give us Knightfall at all. He breaks the Bat, yes, but then he makes it Talia who was born into the prison. He completely turns every thing us smug comic books fans thought we had figured out on our heads.
! And I don't think anything of the Rising moments were supposed to be OMG moments. I think they were supposed to be just how you reacted to it. Just a nod of understanding. My personal favorite Rising moment is Robin literally Rising at the end to become The Dark Knight. -
@Nex:
Spoiler tag all of that.
! Well, Nolan plays with the fans, as he doesn't give us Knightfall at all. He breaks the Bat, yes, but then he makes it Talia who was born into the prison. He completely turns every thing us smug comic books fans thought we had figured out on our heads.
! And I don't think anything of the Rising moments were supposed to be OMG moments. I think they were supposed to be just how you reacted to it. Just a nod of understanding. My personal favorite Rising moment is Robin literally Rising at the end to become The Dark Knight.! Well my bad then because I was expecting some MAJOR omfg moments from this movie with all the fanfare it was getting. There might have been one or two scenes that left me in awe but they were quickly forgotten as soon as I started thinking about those plotholes that didn't make any sense. As far as Nolan "playing" with the fans I didn't get that vibe. I got the vibe that he was trying to copy the comics while tell his own story and because he couldn't blend the two some of the events in the movie didn't have the punch it could've had.
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@XerXes:
! Well my bad then because I was expecting some MAJOR omfg moments from this movie with all the fanfare it was getting. There might have been one or two scenes that left me in awe but they were quickly forgotten as soon as I started thinking about those plotholes that didn't make any sense. As far as Nolan "playing" with the fans I didn't get that vibe. I got the vibe that he was trying to copy the comics while tell his own story and because he couldn't blend the two some of the events in the movie didn't have the punch it could've had.
! Most of that is just your personal preference so I'm not going to try to argue with you about it, as we both know it'll go nowhere.
I would like to ask you about the plot holes. As I didn't notice any that could be explained if you thought about it a bit. -
@XerXes:
! Well my bad then because I was expecting some MAJOR omfg moments from this movie with all the fanfare it was getting. There might have been one or two scenes that left me in awe but they were quickly forgotten as soon as I started thinking about those plotholes that didn't make any sense. As far as Nolan "playing" with the fans I didn't get that vibe. I got the vibe that he was trying to copy the comics while tell his own story and because he couldn't blend the two some of the events in the movie didn't have the punch it could've had.
! What plotholes did you find? I thought he settled everything nicely.
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! Am I the only one who was kinda disappointed in how Bane was killed? Like I wanted something better than him getting blasted out of nowhere. I thought it would be Batman breaking the mask and Bane going berserker mode until he had no control and Batman beats him through skill.
! It's not a slight on the movie at all, since it was very good. Just seemed too anti-climatic to me. -
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! 1) Selina Kyle doesn't even know Bane.
- How does the cop figure out Bruce Wayne is Batman? He just has a Cosmic Joker moment?
- I know Bane is a genius but even he couldn't leave Bruce Wayne broke just by attacking the stock exchange.
- I know Bane is a genius but how does he gain access to Batman's entire armory? None of that stuff is password protected?
- How does Bruce Wayne recover from having his back broken in only six months?
- The ENTIRE insertion of Talia al Ghul
- When did Bane have time to pull a Joker and more or less rig half of Gotham city with explosives?
With regards to number 7 that's fine if it happens ONCE and that was in TDK. But two times and that's lazy writing.
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And with regards to number 3
! It's not even "possible" for a billionaire to go broke just because the stock exchange gets attacked. Unless Bane has some knowledge of all Bruce Wayne's offshore accounts, and all the information regarding the trust fund Thomas and Martha set up, then and only then could Bruce Wayne be literally broke. Trust funds aren't usually tied up in stocks either and given the fact that Batman had been gone for like 8 years, that means none of that money was spent on bat gadgets or anything like that. So unless we're supposed to assume that Wayne pissed away all his cash from the trust fund his parents left as well as ALL his offshore accounts, Bane attacking the stock exchange shouldn't have done anything but give Bruce a chuckle.
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! Am I the only one who was kinda disappointed in how Bane was killed? Like I wanted something better than him getting blasted out of nowhere. I thought it would be Batman breaking the mask and Bane going berserker mode until he had no control and Batman beats him through skill.
! It's not a slight on the movie at all, since it was very good. Just seemed too anti-climatic to me.! Well Batman had essentially beaten Bane in that exact fashion until Talia showed up and saved Bane. But yeah, it was kinda of meh, I just don't know what else they could have done besides having the exact same fight they just had.
@XerXes:
Sorry about that. Forum logged me out while I was typing.
Most of these aren't even plot holes. I'm going to respond in your own spoiler tag. In bolded text.
! 1) Selina Kyle doesn't even know Bane.Yes, she does. Not personally of course. But she is a criminal and knows the going-ons of Gotham's underbelly.
- How does the cop figure out Bruce Wayne is Batman? He just has a Cosmic Joker moment?Did you actually see the movie, or did you just read spoilers. Blake explicitly explains how he knew Wayne was Batman.
- I know Bane is a genius but even he couldn't leave Bruce Wayne broke just by attacking the stock exchange.In the universe it's explained by the clean slate program. It's not possible in real life, but in the rules of the movie's universe it works.
- I know Bane is a genius but how does he gain access to Batman's entire armory? None of that stuff is password protected? Why would it be password protected. As far a Lucius though no one even knew that room existed. And I'm wondering even more if you actually saw it. He blew up the ground under the armory. That's how he got in.
- How does Bruce Wayne recover from having his back broken in only six months? Dude. Really. You read Knightfall. He recovered pretty quickly in it. This is a comic book movie, it's not really grounded in reality. Let's just say he's the god damn Batman. He wanted to save his city, so he fought through the pain to do so.
- The ENTIRE insertion of Talia al Ghul How in the hell is this a plot hole? It was foreshadowed in Begins.
- When did Bane have time to pull a Joker and more or less rig half of Gotham city with explosives?He was living in the seweres for MONTHS. He had plenty of time to rig explosives throughout the city. The Joker doing it was kind of unbelievable. Bane had an army working for him.
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@XerXes:
! It's not even "possible" for a billionaire to go broke just because the stock exchange gets attacked. Unless Bane has some knowledge of all Bruce Wayne's offshore accounts, and all the information regarding the trust fund Thomas and Martha set up, then and only then could Bruce Wayne be literally broke. Trust funds aren't usually tied up in stocks either and given the fact that Batman had been gone for like 8 years, that means none of that money was spent on bat gadgets or anything like that. So unless we're supposed to assume that Wayne pissed away all his cash from the trust fund his parents left as well as ALL his offshore accounts, Bane attacking the stock exchange shouldn't have done anything but give Bruce a chuckle.
! Wayne had already lost most of his money on the clean energy project. He didn't have that much left to begin with. If Bane can commit fraud in Bruce Wayne's name, it's not impossible to believe he accessed all of his accounts.
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@XerXes:
Sorry about that. Forum logged me out while I was typing.
! 1) Selina Kyle doesn't even know Bane.
- How does the cop figure out Bruce Wayne is Batman? He just has a Cosmic Joker moment?
- I know Bane is a genius but even he couldn't leave Bruce Wayne broke just by attacking the stock exchange.
- I know Bane is a genius but how does he gain access to Batman's entire armory? None of that stuff is password protected?
- How does Bruce Wayne recover from having his back broken in only six months?
- The ENTIRE insertion of Talia al Ghul
- When did Bane have time to pull a Joker and more or less rig half of Gotham city with explosives?
! 1)I'll let someone else answer this, as the details aren't fresh in my mind
! 2) They stated quite a few times he's a detective, I'm sure he put 2 and 2 together regarding his meeting of Bruce when he was younger. Batman and Bruce disappeared around the same time. yadda yadda~
! 3)He wasn't attacking Wayne, he was trying to cause Financial Upheaval in all of Gotham.
! 4)It wasn't Batman's arsenal, it was the secret bunker Fox had squirreled away all the bat-tech to. He probably figured out when he made the connection to Wayne=Batman. how exactly he found out? I'd say League of Shadows connections.
! 5) FORCE OF WILL! lol, it's a movie, suspension of disbelief.
! 6)How is this a plot hole? She had a false identity as the philanthropist woman and commissioned a nuclear bomb to be built under the guise of Green Energy.
! 7)The implication was that this had been going on for a while, utilizing the cement truck company to pour explosive chemical instead of concrete. Not that hard to figure out really. -
Wow. The ending. That's all I'll say…..this for me is the greatest film I have EVER watched. Above Godfather part 1 and 2 and the LOTR trilogy.
Hey looks it's the guy who thought a Hary Potter movie should have been nominated for best picture. And he STILL has atrocious taste! Wow!
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Most of these are plotholes. If something is important to the plot and it's not explained clearly then it's a plothole. I'm sorry if after two weeks you're still hype up about this movie but try to show some objectivity in these discussions.
! 1) No she doesn't. It wouldn't make sense for Selina Kyle to know Bane. We're supposed to believe that this badass guy has been hiding in the underworld for all these years and Batman has not even once, ever heard of this guy. He's the Gotdamn Batman, but he's never heard of Bane until his conversation with Selina Kyle? Really? So Bruce Wayne is only Batman while he's in Gotham City? And do to his absence from Gotham his knowledge of the criminal underworld just dissipates. Yeah, OK.
! 2) You obviously don't understand my conundrum. His explanation didn't make any sense. No cop, and I'm sorry if I offend anyone, no cop is going to put all those pieces together. Bane I can see. He's a genius. Hugo Strange I can see. He's a genius. We're talking about a beatcop who somehow put all the pieces together. We're talking about a cop who more or less outwitted the Joker in a way because the Joker had to hold and entire city hostage and still couldn't get Batman to remove his mask yet a cop, figures out who Batman is.
! 3) It doesn't work in real life or the comic books or the movies. That's what you clearly don't seem to get. Let me put it to you like this. Would this happen to Tony Stark?
! 4) You still don't understand what I'm saying to you on a basic level. I'm Batman. I have these huge tanks (the tumblers/Batmobile you know the score). If someone is able to access the location, any location I have them stored, I think I need a way to prevent them from using my wonderful toys. Here is your line of thought: OK, he find the hiding spot so he can use all Batman's toys. That works just fine. That makes PERFECT sense. Here is my line of thought: Gaining access to the location of Batman's arsenal shouldn't allow him to use everything Batman has in his arsenal. Why are you not able to understand that? And I'll ask again, would this ever happen to Tony Stark? If I find his Iron Man suit, can I use the Iron Man suit? And if so what sense would that make?
! 5) I'll give you that. He is the Gotdamn Batman. Shame the Gotdamn Batman can't remember to put a club on the Batmobile but whatever.
! 6) How the hell was it foreshadowed?! We as comic fans know Ras has a daughter. That doesn't mean she's going to pop up in a movie. And how is it that you can claim none of these are plotholes, but still fail to see the base absurdity in the fact that Batman doesn't have ADT for his cave?
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@XerXes:
Most of these are plotholes. If something is important to the plot and it's not explained clearly then it's a plothole. I'm sorry if after two weeks you're still hype up about this movie but try to show some objectivity in these discussions.
Says a guy with a modern Naruto av/sig set lol
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@Monkey:
Says a guy with a modern Naruto av/sig set lol
You don't troll very often do you. Not only that but your attack doesn't even make sense. My issue was Nex's lack of objectivity. Your criticism, if it were of an intellectual sort, should have entailed some manner of comment on my own level of objectivity. However, I've hardly participated in a Naruto discussion that would preclude one from commenting me on my level of objectivity therein. Therefore, because your insult was baseless, your comment about my set realy just makes you seem even less intelligent than you actually are.
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@XerXes:
You don't troll very often do you.
You're a July 2012 aren't you lol.
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And it's not really a troll, that's a genuinely hilarious statement from a guy with that av/sig set.
"Why yes, yes I would say sips tea that the new BatPerson cinema piece does not ...how does one put it, amount to much. Not next to my preferred avenue of enjoyment, the finely crafted work of Naruto Part 2."
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@Monkey:
You're a July 2012 aren't you lol.
And Guts took it up the ass while serving under Griffith. Have fun with that.
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@XerXes:
Most of these are plotholes. If something is important to the plot and it's not explained clearly then it's a plothole. I'm sorry if after two weeks you're still hype up about this movie but try to show some objectivity in these discussions.
Not everything needs to be outright stated for the audience, I'm hoping someone attending a PG-13 movie has the intelligence to follow some of the clues to their logical conclusion.
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Not everything needs to be outright stated for the audience, I'm hoping someone attending a PG-13 movie has the intelligence to follow some of the clues to their logical conclusion.
Somethings I can let slide. The improbable physics of the Bat. That's cool. Multiple tumblers? That's fine. Batman healing in six months, and still coming back and defeating Bane. That's fine. But I find it hard to believe that a billionaire would piss away nearly his entire fortune on energy programs. And again I ask, would this happen to Tony Stark? Then again he'd piss away his fortune on hookers and alcohol so nevermind. I also find it hard to believe that Bruce Wayne's loses his connections, his intelligence, loses his thumb on the pulse of the criminal underworld just because he's no longer living in Gotham. So Bruce Wayne's powers as Batman only work while he's in Gotham City? That makes a lot of sense. But I wouldn't expect the "average" movie goer to pick up on these things.
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@XerXes:
And Guts took it up the ass while serving under Griffith. Have fun with that.
Guy trying to attack new movie can't remember story elements correctly. Let's hear what he has to say next!
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@XerXes:
Most of these are plotholes. If something is important to the plot and it's not explained clearly then it's a plothole. I'm sorry if after two weeks you're still hype up about this movie but try to show some objectivity in these discussions.
! 1) No she doesn't. It wouldn't make sense for Selina Kyle to know Bane. We're supposed to believe that this badass guy has been hiding in the underworld for all these years and Batman has not even once, ever heard of this guy. He's the Gotdamn Batman, but he's never heard of Bane until his conversation with Selina Kyle? Really? So Bruce Wayne is only Batman while he's in Gotham City? And do to his absence from Gotham his knowledge of the criminal underworld just dissipates. Yeah, OK.
! 2) You obviously don't understand my conundrum. His explanation didn't make any sense. No cop, and I'm sorry if I offend anyone, no cop is going to put all those pieces together. Bane I can see. He's a genius. Hugo Strange I can see. He's a genius. We're talking about a beatcop who somehow put all the pieces together. We're talking about a cop who more or less outwitted the Joker in a way because the Joker had to hold and entire city hostage and still couldn't get Batman to remove his mask yet a cop, figures out who Batman is.
! 3) It doesn't work in real life or the comic books or the movies. That's what you clearly don't seem to get. Let me put it to you like this. Would this happen to Tony Stark?
! 4) You still don't understand what I'm saying to you on a basic level. I'm Batman. I have these huge tanks (the tumblers/Batmobile you know the score). If someone is able to access the location, any location I have them stored, I think I need a way to prevent them from using my wonderful toys. Here is your line of thought: OK, he find the hiding spot so he can use all Batman's toys. That works just fine. That makes PERFECT sense. Here is my line of thought: Gaining access to the location of Batman's arsenal shouldn't allow him to use everything Batman has in his arsenal. Why are you not able to understand that?
! 5) I'll give you that. He is the Gotdamn Batman. Shame the Gotdamn Batman can't remember to put a club on the Batmobile but whatever.
! 6) How the hell was it foreshadowed?! We as comic fans know Ras has a daughter. That doesn't mean she's going to pop up in a movie. And how is it that you can claim none of these are plotholes, but still fail to see the base absurdity in the fact that Batman doesn't have ADT for his cave?
! 7) I'll give you number 7.! 1) Everyone in the world knows of Bane. Wayne was able to learn about Bane before he ever even saw him. Bane use Daggert to get Selina Kyle to get Wayne's prints. And why is it difficult to believe that Catwoman has info on Bane? You're just being stubborn.
! 2) His explanation does make sense. His dad was killed. He unserstood how it felt. His whole speech about "wearing a mask to hide the anger" is how he recognized Wayne. It's the sense of having a connection with someone. Blake was an orphan, he was angry. He was Bruce up until Brice left Gotham.
! 3) Not even going to dignify this with a response. This is beyond stubborn.
! 4) He didn't blow a whole in the cave. He blew a whole under Wayne Enterprises. That's where Fox kept everything. Wayne didn't even know most of that stuff existed until after Bane showed up. And no one was supposed to know it even existed. There's no reason it needed to be pass code protected. Even if it was, I'm sure Bane would have easily cracked it.
! 6) It was forshadowed and Begins, and it was alluded to here. You claim to be a fan of the cmoics, then you should have known that Ra's wasn't Bane's father. You should have known Talia was going to show up. The only thing that was missing was, who would she be. It had to be Tate, since she was the only other female outside of Catwoman. I still don't understand how this is a plothole. You're just missing something or are intentionally trolling. -
@XerXes:
Most of these are plotholes. If something is important to the plot and it's not explained clearly then it's a plothole. I'm sorry if after two weeks you're still hype up about this movie but try to show some objectivity in these discussions.
! 1) No she doesn't. It wouldn't make sense for Selina Kyle to know Bane. We're supposed to believe that this badass guy has been hiding in the underworld for all these years and Batman has not even once, ever heard of this guy. He's the Gotdamn Batman, but he's never heard of Bane until his conversation with Selina Kyle? Really? So Bruce Wayne is only Batman while he's in Gotham City? And do to his absence from Gotham his knowledge of the criminal underworld just dissipates. Yeah, OK.
! 2) You obviously don't understand my conundrum. His explanation didn't make any sense. No cop, and I'm sorry if I offend anyone, no cop is going to put all those pieces together. Bane I can see. He's a genius. Hugo Strange I can see. He's a genius. We're talking about a beatcop who somehow put all the pieces together. We're talking about a cop who more or less outwitted the Joker in a way because the Joker had to hold and entire city hostage and still couldn't get Batman to remove his mask yet a cop, figures out who Batman is.
! 3) It doesn't work in real life or the comic books or the movies. That's what you clearly don't seem to get. Let me put it to you like this. Would this happen to Tony Stark?
! 4) You still don't understand what I'm saying to you on a basic level. I'm Batman. I have these huge tanks (the tumblers/Batmobile you know the score). If someone is able to access the location, any location I have them stored, I think I need a way to prevent them from using my wonderful toys. Here is your line of thought: OK, he find the hiding spot so he can use all Batman's toys. That works just fine. That makes PERFECT sense. Here is my line of thought: Gaining access to the location of Batman's arsenal shouldn't allow him to use everything Batman has in his arsenal. Why are you not able to understand that?
! 5) I'll give you that. He is the Gotdamn Batman. Shame the Gotdamn Batman can't remember to put a club on the Batmobile but whatever.
! 6) How the hell was it foreshadowed?! We as comic fans know Ras has a daughter. That doesn't mean she's going to pop up in a movie. And how is it that you can claim none of these are plotholes, but still fail to see the base absurdity in the fact that Batman doesn't have ADT for his cave?
! 7) I'll give you number 7.! Did you watch the movie at all? Nobody got into batman's cave without his permission. Everything you've said so far implies that you didn't really pay attention to anything in this movie.
! 1. Bruce Wayne was basically a recluse, never actually doing detective work for years after TDK. Selina Kyle was in the middle of the action, and knew who Bane was, at least. The reason they were after her was because she was messing with people that Bane was using, that was implied.
2. I can give you number 2, but marginally because I felt like his reasoning for Bruce Wayne = Batman was more of an assumption. Not actual detective work.
3. Yes, potentially. Wayne invested much of his fortune into a project that didn't work. They said that at the beginning of the movie. Donald Trump has gone bankrupt and broke over less.
4. He didn't get everything, he only got the tumblers, from what we see. Maybe some other weaponry or something.
6. I liked the Talia reveal, but it was a bit rushed. I mean, they did foreshadow that the League of Shadows had a successor from Batman Begins. (Ra's al Ghul talking about immortality) -
puts down newest Naruto chapter
Exquisite.
Batman movie is unclear about a thing
MOTHERFUCKER WHAT IS THIS
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You know what. I'm actually done with this. I'm just going to hope you're just a troll and/or are being stubborn.
Tagin' out!
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Also lol at randomly capitalizing the second X in Xerxes.
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@Monkey:
Hey looks it's the guy who thought a Hary Potter movie should have been nominated for best picture. And he STILL has atrocious taste! Wow!
Whats up jackass, long time no see
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Whats up jackass, long time no see
I'm just joking dude, it's cool.
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THAT'S what I'm having an issue with. Even in seclusion Bruce Wayne doesn't STOP being Batman. The way the movie is scripted it's like, Oh he's only Batman in Gotham City. Outside of Gotham he doesn't have any knowledge of things that Batman normally would. I've said that three times. I understand your argument and it's THAT aspect of the movie I have an issue with.
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So we agree on number 2.
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I still don't see number 3 happening. If it wouldn't happen to Tony Stark it wouldn't happen to Bruce Wayne.
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And for the third time, Bane shouldn't be able to operate the tumblers PERIOD. No one should be able to use Batman's gadgets just because they have access to them. That entire mishap was Batman Forever all over again.
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They weren't Batman's! They were the extra ones Lucius Fox had recalled from companies he'd sent them out to years prior for potential contracts. He said as much before he introduces the Bat.
Bruce Wayne stops being Batman when he STOPS BEING BATMAN. Which happened for 8 years. DID YOU WATCH THE MOVIE!?
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@XerXes:
! 1) THAT'S what I'm having an issue with. Even in seclusion Bruce Wayne doesn't STOP being Batman. The way the movie is scripted it's like, Oh he's only Batman in Gotham City. Outside of Gotham he doesn't have any knowledge of things that Batman normally would. I've said that three times. I understand your argument and it's THAT aspect of the movie I have an issue with.
! 2) So we agree on number 2.
! 3) I still don't see number 3 happening. If it wouldn't happen to Tony Stark it wouldn't happen to Bruce Wayne.
! 4) And for the third time, Bane shouldn't be able to operate the tumblers PERIOD. No one should be able to use Batman's gadgets just because they have access to them. That entire mishap was Batman Forever all over again.! 1. Batman isn't just in Gotham, dude. He doesn't really exist at the beginning of this movie. Bruce Wayne is staying away from being Batman because Batman needed to disappear, and he can't just start giving out hints to the police to try and help catch criminals, and risk people investigating why he seems to know so much about which criminal is doing what. Besides, we see that there's no need for Batman at the beginning, because there's barely any crime, so Bruce Wayne doesn't need to work as Batman at that point.
! 4. The Tumblers were made for the military, and Lucius Fox operates one in Batman Begins. It's safe to say that a man with a mercenary background would get the hang of the tumblers. -
@Nex:
! May I specifically ask what about the ending disappointed you. If it's that Wayne lives, the movie perfectly explains how.
! Just the Robin real name situation. It's nitpicking but it just didn't sit well with me. Bruce's ending was refreshing and I loved it.
@XerXas
I don't get your beef.
! Like it has been said already BRUCE SET OUT TO DO WHAT HE WANTED TO DO SINCE BEGINS AND MADE BATMAN A SYMBOL. Bruce literally gave everything he had to Gotham so I have no problem with him walking away like that.
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! Just the Robin real name situation. It's nitpicking but it just didn't sit well with me. Bruce's ending was refreshing and I loved it.
! Gotcha. That's cool. This is the one thing I was really looking forward to seeing everyone's reaction to.
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! @Herodadotus:
! > >! 1. Batman isn't just in Gotham, dude. He doesn't really exist at the beginning of this movie. Bruce Wayne is staying away from being Batman because Batman needed to disappear, and he can't just start giving out hints to the police to try and help catch criminals, and risk people investigating why he seems to know so much about which criminal is doing what. Besides, we see that there's no need for Batman at the beginning, because there's barely any crime, so Bruce Wayne doesn't need to work as Batman at that point.! Again, that's the issue. Batman is not a suit that Bruce Wayne can pick up and put down and I know that sounds funny but it is what it is. Bruce Wayne = Batman. He can't stop being Batman anymore than he can stop being himself. He doesn't wear a mask, he is the mask. Like I said a dozen times, it's that scripting of the movie that is an issue. A Gotham that does not need Batman simply does not exist. I find it hard to believe that the cops have been able to handle Gotham's crime just up until Bane shows up.
! The entire movie up until the point Batman gets off his ass and goes after the Bane is like a slap in the face to the mythology of Batman. There will never be a time where Batman is not needed. That has been the general thread of the mythos. Yet we're supposed to believe that oh Gotham is getting along just fine… UNTIL... -
Dude. Spoiler tags. Please.
There are people who haven't seen it yet.
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So, yeah, got back from seeing the movie.
It was really, really good. But not great. At least to me.! Tom Hardy did excellent job as Bane, but the way he went out…meh. The twist was Talia was sooooo good. I almost fell out of my chair because I didn't see that coming at all. Was kinda disappointed that Gordon or Alfred didn't get that much screen time, but still didn't ruin the movie for me.
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@XerXes:
spoiler]He doesn't wear a mask, he is the mask.
Alright guys. He's officially a troll. We can all walk away now.
! This is exactly how Blake new Wayne was Batman. He recognized Wayne as a mask that covered the anger. Yet you still can't seem to grasp of Blake figured out Wayne was Batman?
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@Nex:
Dude. Spoiler tags. Please.
There are people who haven't seen it yet.
I'm sorry but you people are pissing me the fuck off. We were having a decent discussion but the moment I disagree with you guys all of a sudden I'm fucking trolling. Just because I disagree I'm a troll. And that's bullshit and you know it.
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@Nex:
Alright guys. He's officially a troll. We can all walk away now.
! This is exactly how Blake new Wayne was Batman. He recognized Wayne as a mask that covered the anger. Yet you still can't seem to grasp of Blake figured out Wayne was Batman?
! TrolololololololOh. Wow. I see what you did there. Yeah I guess that makes sense.
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I know a lot of people hold the Dark Knight as not being a Batman movie. How do you all feel about Rises?
! In my opinion, Begins is the only Batman movie in the city.
! TDK, was about Gotham as a whole.
! In Rises we finally got the Brice Wayne movie. Bale was in the Batsuit maybe 30minutes of the run time. The rest he was Wayne, so hopefully you feel better than this. -
@XerXes:
I'm sorry but you people are pissing me the fuck off. We were having a decent discussion but the moment I disagree with you guys all of a sudden I'm fucking trolling. Just because I disagree I'm a troll. And that's bullshit and you know it.
Now now this is no time for outbursts.
Outbursts come later.
In all seriousness, though, some of your critiques are stretching it a little. I get some of them, but others are very much just putting 2 and 2 together or just accepting that movies aren't like real life sometimes. That's the only reason Nex thinks you're trolling.
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Now now this is no time for outbursts.
Outbursts come later.
Sorry. But this is ridiculous. The moment someone has a diverging opinion that person becomes a troll. If we go see a movie and one person says they like it, and the other person doesn't, the person who didn't like it becomes a troll. And the said part is, these idiots missed the fact that I actually enjoyed the movie. I just thought that it had flaws that prevented it from being the BEST Batman movie. I said from the getgo, it had it's flaws but I liked it. Everyone missed that. He said the movie has flaws, he's a troll, let's get him.
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From my visitor page: "You full of shit Nex. Having a different opinion from you identifies me as a troll? So if I ask you your favorite flavor of ice cream and you say strawberry and I say vanilla I'm a troll. Really?"
I decided to respond to this in this thread because you also had an outburst here.
No, having a differing opinion does not make someone a troll. If that were the case everyone would be a troll.
I called you a troll, XerXes, simply because of your responses and your apparent stubbornness. You were refusing to listen to anything and you were arguing points that made no sense. You kept basing your arguments around things that didn't even happen in the movie. That's why I called you a troll.
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@XerXes:
Sorry. But this is ridiculous. The moment someone has a diverging opinion that person becomes a troll. If we go see a movie and one person says they like it, and the other person doesn't, the person who didn't like it becomes a troll. And the said part is, these idiots missed the fact that I actually enjoyed the movie. I just thought that it had flaws that prevented it from being the BEST Batman movie. I said from the getgo, it had it's flaws but I liked it. Everyone missed that. He said the movie has flaws, he's a troll, let's get him.
See we understood this. We were simply inquiring into what you thought were plot holes. And then we tried to explain why they weren't plot holes. You got all defensive about it when no one was attacking you. When Hero and I started we were just trying to help. There was no need for any of this.
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@XerXes:
Sorry. But this is ridiculous. The moment someone has a diverging opinion that person becomes a troll. If we go see a movie and one person says they like it, and the other person doesn't, the person who didn't like it becomes a troll. And the said part is, these idiots missed the fact that I actually enjoyed the movie. I just thought that it had flaws that prevented it from being the BEST Batman movie. I said from the getgo, it had it's flaws but I liked it. Everyone missed that. He said the movie has flaws, he's a troll, let's get him.
Dude, honestly, with that quote I'm just trying to lighten the mood. I even agreed with some of your issues, but some of them just seem like a stretch for me. I'm definitely not 'out to get you' or anything, I'm just debating my view.
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@Nex:
I called you a troll, XerXes, simply because of your responses and your apparent stubbornness. You were refusing to listen to anything and you were arguing points that made no sense. You kept basing your arguments around things that didn't even happen in the movie. That's why I called you a troll.
How am I stubborn? You POINTED out the scenes I was having issues with better than I did and I explained WHY those were a problem for me.
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You said that Bruce Wayne doesn't know the things he normally would as Batman, because he hasn't been in Gotham City for the last eight years. I'm saying that's not an excuse because Batman, is not something that Bruce Wayne can just put down and he would always know what's going on with Batman.
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You talk about, there was never a need for Batman because the cops can handle Gotham city or at least they could until Bane showed up. I'm saying there is ALWAYS a need for Batman and the eight years of relative peace that Gotham had was insulting to the mythos.
Swear to god I'm a troll JUST for disagreeing with you. That's what this seems like to me.
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If we get into a debate about Naruto and you say Jiraiya is dead here's why, and I say he's alive, here's why then I AM being stubborn. But if you ask me to explain what parts of this movie I have issues with and I do that, oh this guy is stubborn, this guy is a troll. Are you serious?
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You weren't stubborn until about halfway into the discussion. It was when you refused to acknowledge anything (except point 7) repeatedly.
You are so sure that these things were plot holes that you absolutely refused to accept any explanation to the contrary. That's why I'm calling you stubborn and that's why I called you a troll.
People disagree with me all the time. Hell there are other people in this thread who disagree with me. They're not trolls.
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@Nex:
You weren't stubborn until about halfway into the discussion. It was when you refused to acknowledge anything (except point 7) repeatedly.
You are so sure that these things were plot holes that you absolutely refused to accept any explanation to the contrary. That's why I'm calling you stubborn and that's why I called you a troll.
People disagree with me all the time. Hell there are other people in this thread who disagree with me. They're not trolls.
I actually did come around on 3 out of 7 points. Maybe if you weren't so fucking convinced I was trolling you, you would have read my arguments and saw I actually agreed with you on a few of those. But as I said with others, there are just some things I couldn't agree with you on because your logic, or rather the movies logic didn't make any sense. My refusal to agree with you on 7 out of 7 points is at the base of your anger and again it comes back to, I have a different view than you so I'm trolling.
You weren't happy with me only agreeing with you 3 times. Hell you didn't even NOTICE. You were so hung up on the fact that I don't TOTALLY agree with you 100% and oh, look, he must be a troll.
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Xerxes, remember that this is not the Batman comic series. Relative peace is actually normal for a real-life metropolis, there aren't usually Scarecrows and Jokers and Banes running around. It's perfectly acceptable that the above-average threat that Bane posed, was the only thing that could draw Batman back to the city.