Of the strawhats? i always thought Zoro but Nami does most of the first mate jobs.
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nami is the navigator and thats why she gets so boss everyone around but if you look at the very serious situations after luffy got taken off the crab to face crocodile for the first time, after luffy vs usopp and in discussing robin leaving the crew luffy and the rest of the crew look to zoro for advice, guidance and direction thats why i think he is the first mate
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I like to think that Lysop…sorry Usopp was the first mate in Ruffy er... Luffy's crew.
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because he is the replacement captain?
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i don't even think Usopp would be captain given the need for a replacement.
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I always thought it was Zoro, but according to this official pin it's nami :sleep: .
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That is strange. I wouldn't trust a pin, really.
It's never been said who's the first mate, as far as I know.
According to a website I read about pirate rank, the navigator would be just under the second in command. But One Piece is it's own universe with it's own rules, so that means absolutely nothing.
I have a feeling that this thread will be locked due to a thread already existing similar to this one.
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Yeah, some of the merchandise is kind of wonky. On that same site I saw some stickers with made up bounties…Luffy's was right, but Zoro had 20,000,000, Sanji had 15,000,000, Usopp had 10,000,000, and Nami had 5,000,000. Most of the titles/themes/other quirks for the merchandise seemed pretty relevant though.
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I'm pretty sure there simply isn't one. Zoro's the swordsman, Nami's the navigator, neither are first mate.
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I´d actually take Nami as the second mate. She and Zoro are the ones who do some of the thinking but the thinking between them differs. Zoro does more the philosophic fighters thinking while Nami makes the more handy thinking.
And since Luffy himself as captain is the straight forward guy that can be compared to Zoro´s way of thinking. That´s why I think Zoro´s way of constructive thought fits more Luffy´s own philosophy of life as a pirate and therefore if there is such a thing as mates he is the first one and then definitely Nami because she does the constructive handy thinking.
After all Luffy, Zoro and Nami were the first ones. So basically we have captain with his first and second (crew)mate. Coincidence?
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I´d actually take Nami as the second mate. She and Zoro are the ones who do some of the thinking but the thinking between them differs. Zoro does more the philosophic fighters thinking while Nami makes the more handy thinking.
And since Luffy himself as captain is the straight forward guy that can be compared to Zoro´s way of thinking. That´s why I think Zoro´s way of constructive thought fits more Luffy´s own philosophy of life as a pirate and therefore if there is such a thing as mates he is the first one and then definitely Nami because she does the constructive handy thinking.
After all Luffy, Zoro and Nami were the first ones. So basically we have captain with his first and second (crew)mate. Coincidence?
**Agreed I always thought Zoro the first mate because he was the firstmate. Zoro also does do all the phyohilogical thinking. I don't really see nami doing the first mate jobs. She simply bosses them around because it's her nature, or she's telling em to move the sail or such when navigating. Where does it state that the first mate jobs are doing what nami is doing. He is simply second in command, he doesn't have to tell them what to do all day.
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Zoro is first mate, because "swordsman" isn't a position, and he was the first mate. It does not matter what you see him do. Usopp lies more than he works the cannon, but is he called "the liar"? Lieutenant Dan yelled and swam all damn day, but he was still first mate.
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Originally Posted by Battle Franky
Bad move, bub!
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Right Buccaneer, that´s what I also wanted to say but forgot. If swordsman is Zoro´s position then Sanji´s position is kicker.
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Zoro is first mate, because "swordsman" isn't a position, and he was the first mate. It does not matter what you see him do. Usopp lies more than he works the cannon, but is he called "the liar"?
Well, there was that time, wasn't it to Ace that he said "and we have a liar". XD But you are correct.
Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible. - Frank Zappa
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Zoro does seem like a 'first mate' kinda guy. I don't know, but whenever I see him I think 'first mate'. I don't know if it is because he WAS the firstmate (as said) or if he just seems that way.
As for Nami beeing first mate, it makes sense in a way, with her navigator skills. Honestly, though, if someone had to take over, I think Zoro would be the right one. He would probably strive to accomplish Luffy's ideals if he was to 'dissapear/die/anything that would never happen'. He seems the most loyal to Luffy.
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Zoro is first mate, because "swordsman" isn't a position,
That's funny, his pin pretty much states that is his position
.http://www.hanatoys.com/modules/kukfashop/image.php?code=one0212b&size=l
The pins look nice, but I guess the information is kind of weird. Sanji's doesn't make sense at all..but everyone else's seems at least a little relevant:
http://www.hanatoys.com/modules/kukfashop/image.php?code=one0212c&size=l
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A cook of marine hahahahaXD
as far as the first mate its obvious, zoro is luffys first mate!!! -
I was trying to edit my post but it wouldn't let me..I just wanted to add that these were the other 'positions' stated on the pins:
luffy-king of pirates
chopper-a ship's doctor
usopp-super sniper
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Zoro does seem like a 'first mate' kinda guy. I don't know, but whenever I see him I think 'first mate'. I don't know if it is because he WAS the firstmate (as said) or if he just seems that way.
As for Nami beeing first mate, it makes sense in a way, with her navigator skills. Honestly, though, if someone had to take over, I think Zoro would be the right one. He would probably strive to accomplish Luffy's ideals if he was to 'dissapear/die/anything that would never happen'. He seems the most loyal to Luffy.
Zoro screams first mate to me, nami doesn't have the stomach for first mate, i.e. at the beach in skypiea she wanted to run away where as luffy and zoro were on the same wavelength and ultimately that's what you want from a first mate.
also check the preview of 241 where Zoro says now we need to decide if Robin is friend or foe, that's wha ta first mate would do.
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Yeah, Zoro does seem the most like a First Mate. But maybe there is no first mate in Luffy's crew. It's not a necessity.
luffy-king of pirates
chopper-a ship's doctor
usopp-super sniper
vivi-princessHaha. Yes, every pirate ship must have a princess. Luffy's not king of the pirates yet, though.
Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible. - Frank Zappa
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Yeah, Zoro does seem the most like a First Mate. But maybe there is no first mate in Luffy's crew. It's not a necessity.
With such a retard captain there actually is very much necessity for not one but two mates. That´s actually why I consider Nami as the second mate (in terms of what she does not as her position since she is the navigator).
Zoro himself mostly sleeps or is up for trouble just as his captain. Remeber when the Strawhats just arrived at Jaya? Therefore Zoro is the perfect first mate for Luffy, in many ways they think alike but this also means that sometimes he´s whack like Luffy who´s competative and constantly eating, while Zoro´s competative too but is constantly sleeping.
And Nami is actually the opposite, but still does some constructive thinking for the crew, but she already has her position and doesn´t always share Luffy´s enthusiasm. That´s why she is a perfect second mate. -
Well, the definately make up for each other's flaws. Like Luffy and Zoro both have a very lousy sense of direction.
Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible. - Frank Zappa
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How very true. Now that you mention the bad sense of direction I just have to give some props to the anime fillers. While I really think they are not needed they sure do make me laugh because they greatly elaborate on Zoro´s bad sense of direction. I just love him the guy for that! :laugh:
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The work Nami does would be more categorized as the work of the Quartermaster. Historically speaking, ships that had a Quartermaster didn't also have a first mate. However, I woud venture so far as to say of the Strawhats that Nami is the Quartermaster and Zoro is the First Mate.
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The pins look nice, but I guess the information is kind of weird. Sanji's doesn't make sense at all..but everyone else's seems at least a little relevant:
http://www.hanatoys.com/modules/kukfashop/image.php?code=one0212c&size=l
"Cook of Marine", eh? That made so little sense it had me rolling around on the floor.
So Sanji is cooking for the marines now? They must be some pretty marine-girls. XD
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You know, one of the OP fanclubs on Deviantart had a big "featured image" captioned "Sanji: the Marine Cooking Master" or something similar; I thought it was some sort of Mr Prince 'undercover' thing.
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That's funny, his pin pretty much states that is his position
.http://www.hanatoys.com/modules/kukfashop/image.php?code=one0212b&size=l
The pins look nice, but I guess the information is kind of weird. Sanji's doesn't make sense at all..but everyone else's seems at least a little relevant:
http://www.hanatoys.com/modules/kukfashop/image.php?code=one0212c&size=l
Know why the info is kinda weird? They're not Oda made. Don't put too much faith (or any at all) into it if it's just a product. A Chopper toothpaste would probably tell you he doubles as a dentist.
Originally Posted by Battle Franky
Bad move, bub!
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A Chopper toothpaste would probably tell you he doubles as a dentist.
Lol, that so much made my day. Thanks Buc. :laugh:
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Was it ever stated that Zoro is Luffy's first mate? I've been seeing a lot of people refer to him as such but I've yet to see an official designtion of his as Swordsman/First Mate; it's usually just Swordsman, whereas Usopp is Marksman/Resident Liar/Replacement Captain/Mechanic, where "Replacement Captain" sounds vaguely like a first mate position.
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I'm pretty sure he's the official first mate.
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Was it ever stated that Zoro is Luffy's first mate? I've been seeing a lot of people refer to him as such but I've yet to see an official designtion of his as Swordsman/First Mate; it's usually just Swordsman, whereas Usopp is Marksman/Resident Liar/Replacement Captain/Mechanic, where "Replacement Captain" sounds vaguely like a first mate position.
After Luffy "rescued" Coby from Alvida, they talk about Zoro, and then Luffy says something like "I'm gonna go over there and ask him to be my first mate"
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Yeah, I know that jazz, but that one comment aside, Zoro was never referred to as the "first mate" of the crew. He's not officially listed as such, while Usopp is "Replacement Captain".
EDIT: Checked stephen's scripts. There's no mention of "first mate" at ALL.
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Well, I don't think anything has been officially mentioned, but if you go by real piracy standards, assuming the strongest fighter is the captain and deducing the 2nd strongest is the first mate, there's no way in hell Usopp can be the first mate.
Then there's also the fact a "replacement captain" must be able to take important decisions and show resolve when the situation needs it, given the fact Usopp has to be lectured about life like a kid in teen crisis every 10 chapters I don't see how he fits the bill here either. Zoro does.
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Plus Ussop's the only one that says he is the replacement captain.
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Luffy is an equal opportunities guy, so most likely there isn't a first mate, he considers everyone else to just be on the same level as him.
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Zoro's always just listed as "sentouin" (approximately meaning "fighter")… Usopp, although he's listed as "sogekishu" (sniper), calls himself the "fuku-senchou" (if I'm remembering correctly...), which is typically translated for Usopp as "replacement captain"... but it literally means something like "assistant captain", and is typically used for first-mates... so maybe he's actually supposed to be the first mate, I dunno... XD
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I personally think…Zoro couldn't care less about his official position. He is the swordsman, that's what he lives for, why should he care if he was/wasn't first mate?
I still think that (though in a "funny" way) Usopp is first mate, because Usopp wants to be and Luffy is the kind of guy to be "yeah, whatever, alright, you're first mate, let's eat, I'm hungry" -
After Luffy "rescued" Coby from Alvida, they talk about Zoro, and then Luffy says something like "I'm gonna go over there and ask him to be my first mate"
4kids FILLER bro.
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I always saw him as first mate. And he litterally was FIRST MATE the first crew member to join the crew.
Hes also the next strongest after Luffy, and don't give me the Zoro vs Sanji argument cause its been made clear Zoro is ATLEAST slightly stronger than Sanji.
Luffy could always depend on Zoro and tho many of you may not notice this, Zoro is the most faithful to Luffy.
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I understand how this could be debated, but not really why it would.
Originally Posted by Battle Franky
Bad move, bub!
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Zoro is Luffy's First crew_mate_.
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I don't think we have terminology of "first mate" in Japanese, unless it directly means vice captain. But still, I don't think Zoro was named to be a vice captain in the story.
One thing we can think of is, only Zoro doesn't have the certain title in SH crew:
Luffy: captain & fighter
Zoro: fighter
Nami: navigator & fighter (since she can fight, right?)
Usopp: weapon developer & fighter
Chopper: doctor & fighter
Robin: aechaeologist & fighter
Sanji: cook & fighter…
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Luffy is an equal opportunities guy, so most likely there isn't a first mate, he considers everyone else to just be on the same level as him.
Equal opportunities guy? when was this stated? You don't expect Zoro to navigate or Sanji to treat wounds because Luffy feels that they are all equal. =/ They might not treat him as a captain and may do some stuff on their own but at the end of it all they all know he is the highest authority.
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> I think he's the "Swordsman", but 4kids thought that seems kind of useless, so they made him first mate… In all the pirate stuff here, you never hear about "the" swordsman, but you hear about the captain, first mate, cook, navigator, etc... >>
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Zoro seems to perform the role of first mate, but he is never referred to as the first mate.
But from what I have read on the subject, not all crews need or have a first mate. Basically I don't think there is any reason to debate this, it's not important. -
It's never been stated, but with Zoro's status as first crewmember, second-strongest fighter, and no other real skill (just like Luffy), I've always considered him to be the Straw Hats' first mate.
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I don't think we have terminology of "first mate" in Japanese, unless it directly means vice captain. But still, I don't think Zoro was named to be a vice captain in the story.
One thing we can think of is, only Zoro doesn't have the certain title in SH crew:
Luffy: captain & fighter
Zoro: fighter
Nami: navigator & fighter (since she can fight, right?)
Usopp: weapon developer & fighter
Chopper: doctor & fighter
Robin: aechaeologist & fighter
Sanji: cook & fighter…
This actually supports him being the first mate more than it doesn't.
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It's more like… "well, since he doesn't have other job, let him be the first mate."
Otherwise I think Zoro does more of errands stuff... like carry whatever Nami bought... go fish some food... etc. -
Well, I don't think anything has been officially mentioned, but if you go by real piracy standards, assuming the strongest fighter is the captain and deducing the 2nd strongest is the first mate, there's no way in hell Usopp can be the first mate.
Then there's also the fact a "replacement captain" must be able to take important decisions and show resolve when the situation needs it, given the fact Usopp has to be lectured about life like a kid in teen crisis every 10 chapters I don't see how he fits the bill here either. Zoro does.
That would seem like the case, but it's not necessarily true since the first real "first mate" introduced in the series was Mohiji, and he was a heck of a lot weaker than Cabaji. What are the titles for Mohiji/Jango/Gin?
Zoro really hasn't been called upon to make decisions, since his "leadership" in both the literal and metaphorical sense tends to "lose" the crew; if everyone had followed his lead back in Little Garden or Skypiea, they'd be dead.
I understand how this could be debated, but not really why it would.
It's for more Luffy/Usopp comparisons.
