Chapter 577 "The Incident Continues to Escalate"
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Jimbei's dream is to keep every fishman and merfolk safe and gain equal rights for them. It would be against what little character he has to go out of his way and babysit Luffy.
The best bet is that ANOTHER fishman with a traveling dream, who is close to Jimbei understand his resolve and ask Jimbei to take care of Luffy in his stead.
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If you guys want to discuss the possibility of Jinbei joining, please take it to this thread. I'm sure people have had enough of that topic and want to discuss more chapter-relevant issues.
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Damn, given the translation, Marco's line really is confusing as hell. I'm still leaning towards it all being due to his fruit power, but what the hell Oda?
How would marco know about BB's fruit in detail, I'm leaning towards another reason. I'm guessing it is to do with the will of D as that was referenced last chap, but time will tell.
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Luffy & Dragon will meet pretty soon. Maybe Ivankov & Inazuma will hook up with Luffy temporarily and take him to where Dragon is.
I just don't see Jimbei joining Luffy. He is still the Fishman Pirates captain.
And Brook was captain of the Rumba Pirates. Which were killed.. who says Jinbei has still a crew?
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@S.C.:
I'm going to go with my dumb-ass theory in the spoiler thread, that because he Might have a partial twin in him, it allowed him a bit of time for him to absorb the Zoan DF out of him.
It strengthens the case certainly. If BB was born with a conjoined twin (siamese twin), that could explain the reason for the black screen. His 'twin may have done something to absorb either the Gura no mi's power or the actual devil fruit from the body
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@S.C.:
I'm going to go with my dumb-ass theory in the spoiler thread, that because he Might have a partial twin in him, it allowed him a bit of time for him to absorb the Zoan DF out of him.
or looking how fat he is, I'd say he has 2 stomach… :silly:
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If Teach also has or had the Tiger Zoan Fruit… that's probably one of the top tier Zoan DFs. But with the introduction of ancient and mythical Zoan's there has to be stronger animal types than a tiger.
But it would be kickass if BB's goal is to have one of each of the strongest classes of Devil's Fruits.
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As far as your comments on Garp, man, I am really starting to think that Garp may be killed by Blackbeard in this battle. Besides the training of Coby, Garp really has kind played out his role and I really could see Garp going down at the hands of Whitebeard and this could be Oda showing us that regular Haki users don't have a chance against Blackbeard.
I disagree. Nothing has changed regarding BB, except now he has WB's power too. He can still get hit & be hurt like he was before. WB slashed him and he bled. Luffy hit him with Jet Bazooka which hurt him. I wouldn't expect Garp to win, but I reckon he could take Teach to school.
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If Teach also has or had the Tiger Zoan Fruit… that's probably one of the top tier Zoan DFs. But with the introduction of ancient and mythical Zoan's there has to be stronger animal types than a tiger.
But it would be kickass if BB's goal is to have one of each of the strongest classes of Devil's Fruits.
If he had another DF power prior to Yami Yami , his crew would surely have known that and mentioned it when Teach took WB's power. That is unless Teach kept that power hidden for w.e reason which doesn't really make any sense.
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This might be a stretch, but I don't believe the ability to consume two devil fruits has anything to do with the Yami Yami no Mi.
My suspicion is it has more to do with the "Will of D."
It has been stated over and over again about something being special about those with the Will of D. And though I have no facts until Oda states something along those lines, it seems like a plausible theory. After all, no normal person can have more than one devil fruit, but the D.'s are not ordinary people…
Just my thought....
I doubt it. Whitebeard said BB isn't a true carrier of the Will of D…
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Lol at Buggy's charismatic allure… XD
This chapter sure does help tie up a lot things.
Rayleigh is in SA.
Pacifistas are still around.
Moria.
Crocodile.
Doflamingo.
Pizarro's bracers/bracelet isn't a drill.lol at the den den mushi reaction when it was left behind... XD
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lol at the den den mushi reaction when it was left behind… XD
Yeah, that made me laugh.
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I really like this complete explanation. Best post ever…
This reflects my reaction to Polygon's post more accurately :P
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If marco wouldn't have said this strange sentence about teach's body, I would guess: Having the yami yami fruit allows BB to nullify any other df, even the yami yami itself, so BB may have another df. But can only use one at the time, because while using one df, he has to nullify the other one.
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http://www.niubie.com/up/2008/04/noooooo.jpgThis reflects my reaction to Polygon's post more accurately :P
Eheheh, now I get it!!! Pell' s death' s scar is still well and alive in your hearth. Wait…
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What was happened in this chapter is a proof that Luffy will probably consume another fruit too…..... I think something with electricity would be GREAT!!!!
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@Ali:
But can only use one at the time, because while using one df, he has to nullify the other one.
He can use both, as seen in the pic with the 'quake power' in one and the 'absorb power' in the other hand.
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no fucking way
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If he had another DF power prior to Yami Yami , his crew would surely have known that and mentioned it when Teach took WB's power. That is unless Teach kept that power hidden for w.e reason which doesn't really make any sense.
I'm pretty sure this was his first try to acquire a second power.. what makes me so sure is Shiryuu's comment:
Shiryuu: If this doesn't go according to plan… do we disband?
I guess BB told his crew what he was gonna try to do, but he didn't know the outcome. So he didn't do it before. :o
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i dont no if you noised it but the pairs in the cover shots is the same parings in strong world…
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For me the two powers is related to the yami-yami no mi. He drained it.
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Is that really possible, that i am the only one, who is watching Heroes? BB=Sylar. Didn't see that coming?
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@Ali:
If marco wouldn't have said this strange sentence about teach's body, I would guess: Having the yami yami fruit allows BB to nullify any other df, even the yami yami itself, so BB may have another df. But can only use one at the time, because while using one df, he has to nullify the other one.
But to nullify the power of the other DF, he have to use his darkness fruit, so when he switches to the other one, what's nullifying the darkness fruit?
Wait. did he actually eat the fruit? If he did, I have a problem. If not, then there's no problem I can totally understand how he can absorb and use the power from a DF without eating it, but it seems like a bad and unnecessary addition to the story.
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If Teach getting Newgate's power is related to his devil fruit, why would he cover it up? It would be what people think anyway.
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@-Luffy-:
I'm pretty sure this was his first try to acquire a second power.. what makes me so sure is Shiryuu's comment:
I guess BB told his crew what he was gonna try to do, but he didn't know the outcome. So he didn't do it before. :o
Or perhaps Shiryuu is just a cynic. Really, at this point, Oda is just teasing us with this revelation.
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How would marco know about BB's fruit in detail, I'm leaning towards another reason. I'm guessing it is to do with the will of D as that was referenced last chap, but time will tell.
I've already discussed this to death, so forgive me for not going into detail. The simplest answer is that even Ace immediately noticed that Blackbeard's ability was abnormal. They all knew that he stole the Yami Yami Fruit, so they all knew he had a logia. The fact that he is taking damage and could stop Whitebeard's ability last chapter screams "abnormal" to anyone watching, so they should know by now that he has a unique Devil Fruit. Again, Ace noticed it and commented on it being strange, so why couldn't they notice it? They had the same info Ace had and more…
And Brook was captain of the Rumba Pirates. Which were killed.. who says Jinbei has still a crew?
Seriously, take it to the Crewmate thread.
If Teach also has or had the Tiger Zoan Fruit…
I think we can say with near certainty that Blackbeard only has two fruit powers right now. Gura Gura and Yami Yami. His crew was worried he might fail at taking Whitebeard's power, which to me suggests this is the first attempt at gaining a second power. That, and we have never seen him use another power.
If Teach getting Newgate's power is related to his devil fruit, why would he cover it up? It would be what people think anyway.
Well he is absorbing a Devil Fruit from someone else's corpse, so it makes sense that they need to both be in the blackhole together. Just part of the process, I figure. If he was just extracting it with his power and then eating it or doing some tribal belly dance, why cover that up?
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What troubles me is what will happen now?? How can Luffy and the others leave this place alive???? (M…................onkey D.Dragon ZEHAHAHA)
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What was happened in this chapter is a proof that Luffy will probably consume another fruit too…..... I think something with electricity would be GREAT!!!!
In what way would another DF power help Luffy against BB, when BB can nullify DF powers?? It would be pointless. Luffy does not need another power. All he needs to do now is master the use of haki and just get stronger as a fighter.
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Ok. Now I see what Teach meant by shaking the entire world. O
Daymn Oda! You made me pull an Enel while reading the chap! What a twist! O:
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Lol at Buggy's charismatic allure… XD
This chapter sure does help tie up a lot things.
Rayleigh is in SA.
Pacifistas are still around.
Moria.
Crocodile.
Doflamingo.
Pizarro's bracers/bracelet isn't a drill.lol at the den den mushi reaction when it was left behind… XD
I'm still going to stick to the theory that the bracelets are meld to his arms so he can turn them into drills. But, I agree the chapter did explain somethings.
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Purely speculation so it isn't set in stone. It's a likelihood because the flashback indicates it was Ace's last wish. That could be very important to the plot as being a strong hint that Jinbei will join the crew. Jinbei himself is titled the 'Knight of the Sea', he's certainly not a leader per se as Croc or Boa have been. A knight without a King even.
In the 1988 film Excalibur, Lancelot goes around defeating all challengers until he is defeated by Arthur, and he decides to serve Arthur as being a worthy King (for having bested him).
Or it could just be a temporary thing as you suggest in that Jinbei simply escorts Luffy to the next safest port.
I just don't see someone of a Shichibukai Level joining the crew. I really see Keimi possibly joining the crew as I think her role will be huge during the Fishman Island Arc. As a matter of fact, I think the Strawhats will meet Jimbei in Fishman Island, as oppose to him guiding them there. Jimbei is simply too strong and too old to join the crew in my opinion.
Imo he meant that if it failed Blackbeard would die like normal people from two fruits. He only joined BB pirates for teach, thats why he would leave if he died.
Agreed, I just didn't take it that far. But yes, Shiryuu just wanted to get clarification on what Plan B was if Blackbeard wasn't successful, ie died while trying to consume a second Devil Fruit. Now that I think about it, doesn't this pretty much shoot down the idea that Teach has already eaten a Zoan Fruit? Clearly the Level 6 Pirates feel that Teach has only eaten 1 Devil Fruit and is risking his life by consuming another.
I've been thinking about that too. Garp is one of the few old timers left and considering what's happened lately there isn't much left to happen with him. I can only see him either retiring at some point or dying.
And Garp vs BB would be a pretty interesting battle IMO.
Course, that would just give Luffy one more reason to really hate BB.
Oh yeah. I think Oda is really trying to build Teach up as someone to be feared and someone that is extremely vile. Garp is respected among Pirates and Marines and killing him off at the hands of Blackbeard would make things extremely interesting. Besides, I think most people are extremely curious at how a powered up Blackbeard would fare against someone that uses Haki, albeit the regular kind.
Jimbei's dream is to keep every fishman and merfolk safe and gain equal rights for them. It would be against what little character he has to go out of his way and babysit Luffy.
The best bet is that ANOTHER fishman with a traveling dream, who is close to Jimbei understand his resolve and ask Jimbei to take care of Luffy in his stead.
I agree with this. I believe Keimi will serve that role, but I could be wrong.
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Well he is absorbing a Devil Fruit from someone else's corpse, so it makes sense that they need to both be in the blackhole together. Just part of the process, I figure. If he was just extracting it with his power and then eating it or doing some tribal belly dance, why cover that up?
I'm talking about the sheet.
If it's something that's related to the fruit, there's no need to hide it, since no one else would be able to do it while he's alive.
If it's not, then it could be he fears someone else "abnormal" like him could replicate what he did somehow.
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Page 3, I manage to see Oars jr!!! He is behind brown Moby Dick
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If it's something that's related to the fruit, there's no need to hide it, since no one else would be able to do it while he's alive.
If it's not, then it could be he fears someone else "abnormal" like him could replicate what he did somehow.
It's all for the show. Magicians never reveal their tricks.
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lol I think it is still related to the darkness power and Marco doesnt really know about his DF since well that was his first time seeing it only Ace knew and he was captured….
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What troubles me is what will happen now?? How can Luffy and the others leave this place alive???? (M…................onkey D.Dragon ZEHAHAHA)
I figure BB will end up destroying Marineford, which will, in the process, break up Aokiji's ice, giving them a way to get out of there. It's not like BB cares about them anymore anyway now that he got what he wanted from WB.
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This might be a stretch, but I don't believe the ability to consume two devil fruits has anything to do with the Yami Yami no Mi.
My suspicion is it has more to do with the "Will of D."
It has been stated over and over again about something being special about those with the Will of D. And though I have no facts until Oda states something along those lines, it seems like a plausible theory. After all, no normal person can have more than one devil fruit, but the D.'s are not ordinary people…
Just my thought....
I have to disagree because, first, I think if those who inherit the Will of D could absorb more than 1 Devil Fruit, it would have been discovered already.
Also, if "The Will of D" is what gives Blackbeard the ability to consume 2 Devil Fruits, why was getting the Yami Yami no mi so important. I still believe that the Yami Yami no mi is the key to being able to consume more than one Devil Fruit.
I disagree. Nothing has changed regarding BB, except now he has WB's power too. He can still get hit & be hurt like he was before. WB slashed him and he bled. Luffy hit him with Jet Bazooka which hurt him. I wouldn't expect Garp to win, but I reckon he could take Teach to school.
You think so?
I think Garp would lose in a battle with Teach at this point. We simply haven't seen a guy with 2 Devil Fruits in battle before and certainly not against someone with Haki ability.
I really could see Garp dying at the hands of Teach.
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I just don't see someone of a Shichibukai Level joining the crew. I really see Keimi possibly joining the crew as I think her role will be huge during the Fishman Island Arc. As a matter of fact, I think the Strawhats will meet Jimbei in Fishman Island, as oppose to him guiding them there. Jimbei is simply too strong and too old to join the crew in my opinion.
Why the heck would Keimi join the crew? She can't even do anything. That'd be like having another Vivi shudders
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In what way would another DF power help Luffy against BB, when BB can nullify DF powers?? It would be pointless. Luffy does not need another power. All he needs to do now is master the use of haki and just get stronger as a fighter.
Kuma's Nikyu Nikyu no Mi Devil Fruit would help but Luffy isn't going to absorb another power, it would be stupid.
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If simply having a powerful DF was enough to become the strongest, Whitebeard's title would be a joke. There's no indication Teach is a strong as he thinks he is, not yet anyway.
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Why the heck would Keimi join the crew? She can't even do anything. That'd be like having another Vivi shudders
True, but I think her role in the story will be expanded when we get to Fishman Island.
Just pure speculation but I think she has a better shot then Jimbei.
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If simply having a powerful DF was enough to become the strongest, Whitebeard's title would be a joke. There's no indication Teach is a strong as he thinks he is, not yet anyway.
Shanks thought he was strong enough to warn Newgate about before he knew Teach had any devil fruits.
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That woman pirate that many said is Lola's mother is still alive & well. I wondered what had happened to her. :ninja:
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I have to disagree because, first, I think if those who inherit the Will of D could absorb more than 1 Devil Fruit, it would have been discovered already.
Also, if "The Will of D" is what gives Blackbeard the ability to consume 2 Devil Fruits, why was getting the Yami Yami no mi so important. I still believe that the Yami Yami no mi is the key to being able to consume more than one Devil Fruit.
That, and the fact that Black Beard isn'T a true carrier of the Will of D.
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I'm talking about the sheet. If it's something that's related to the fruit, there's no need to hide it, since no one else would be able to do it while he's alive.
My mistake, I hadn't looked at the RAW yet. I thought the dialog was referring to a sheet of darkness. It's common in fiction to transfer powers or things like that while covering both bodies or putting them in some sort of machine together, which is the concept I was viewing this from. Now that I understand your point, I don't know. But I doubt he can just extract a literal fruit from someone's body, so he must be absorbing it somehow. His follow up line mentions that his Yami Yami Fruit can nuetralize anything, which could apply to the confliction of having two fruit powers. The whole abnormal body thing just seems overly complicated and unnecessary to me, as I have said. It might be what Oda is doing, I am not dismissing the possibility, I just don't buy it right now. I expect Oda to give us more information, but these were my initial impressions.
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Shanks thought he was strong enough to warn Newgate about before he knew Teach had any devil fruits.
He is strong, but WB clearly proved even then, BB wasn't a match for him. Imagine what full strength WB would have done to him. BB is WB's bitch. BB relies on DF to get him to the top.