Rob Lucci 4 nakama.
Next Crewmate Discussion (Vol. 4)
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Rob Lucci 4 nakama.
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Zoro/Sanji/Robin'll get them in line, they don't need a preacher. Also SH's can get serious on their own.
Why the hell would Jinbei, Perona and Hancock even join? Jinbei got his own people to take care of and is stronger than monster trio, Perona is a bland bitch, who practically has nothing to offer for SH's. Hancock got her people to take care of, and is far stronger than monster trio.
Out of these three, Hancock and Jinbei 100% won't join. Perona, I just see no reason for her to join and why she'd join, can't say anything in this case for sure though.
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WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYY:sad::sad::sad::sad:
I ADORE this character!!! I ADORE his loyalty, his calm, he's a real grandpa ( I don't have any grandpa).I think I finally figured this one out. I don't think it's that he's "too serious" which causes people to find him boring. I think it's more that he's simply not an idiot about anything (yet). The male characters that join the crew are all huge idiots in their own lovable ways, which go a long way towards their own images as characters.
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I think I finally figured this one out. I don't think it's that he's "too serious" which causes people to find him boring. I think it's more that he's simply not an idiot about anything (yet).
Do you think it's possible regarding the current setup of Jimbei to really turn him into a lovable goofball?
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I think I finally figured this one out. I don't think it's that he's "too serious" which causes people to find him boring. I think it's more that he's simply not an idiot about anything (yet). The male characters that join the crew are all huge idiots in their own lovable ways, which go a long way towards their own images as characters.
its more than just not being an idiot its a lot of things taht each strawhat has unique.
1: they each have their own fighting attitude from the 1) Don't hit girls 2) being more arrogant than god 3) scaredy cat and so on
2: their outside battle quirks and idiocracy as you say a) getting lost b) woman lusting c) believing anything d) lying and scared, ect.
3: most of Jimbei's whole interaction with Luffy is very similar to what Zoro would have been doing had he been there at time.
At least Hancock has shown unique things in those categories, and those 3 things i catagorize into a person CHARACTER and PERSONALITY.
I mean Jimbei is just a cut and dry nothing. When he fights, he does just that he fights, nothing unique about it (disregarding fighting techniques, talking character here) When he talks he just does that talks like a normal typical talking. the only thing he does that seems him is "i will risk my life, i will die for this, or that, ect" that he says all the time. But all the strawhats are doing that anyway, they just don't say it outloud all the tiem.
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I think most people like Jinbei's fighting style; it's his personality that turns most off.
He's a ripoff of T-Bone
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Do you think it's possible regarding the current setup of Jimbei to really turn him into a lovable goofball?
I see what you're saying. It'd be easy to screw something like that up, and I'm certainly not suggesting a major overhaul of any sort. However, if he develops some form of idiocy (such as Zoro's inability with directions) which doesn't conflict with what we've seen of him so far, it could go a long ways towards people's opinions of him as a character.
its more than just not being an idiot its a lot of things taht each strawhat has unique.
1: they each have their own fighting attitude from the 1) Don't hit girls 2) being more arrogant than god 3) scaredy cat and so on
2: their outside battle quirks and idiocracy as you say a) getting lost b) woman lusting c) believing anything d) lying and scared, ect.
3: most of Jimbei's whole interaction with Luffy is very similar to what Zoro would have been doing had he been there at time.
At least Hancock has shown unique things in those categories, and those 3 things i catagorize into a person CHARACTER and PERSONALITY.
I mean Jimbei is just a cut and dry nothing. When he fights, he does just that he fights, nothing unique about it (disregarding fighting techniques, talking character here) When he talks he just does that talks like a normal typical talking. the only thing he does that seems him is "i will risk my life, i will die for this, or that, ect" that he says all the time. But all the strawhats are doing that anyway, they just don't say it outloud all the tiem.
…lol.
Please tell me what Brook's "unique fighting attitude" is. Also, I can't believe you tried to make #3 a point.
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I see what you're saying. It'd be easy to screw something like that up, and I'm certainly not suggesting a major overhaul of any sort. However, if he develops some form of idiocy (such as Zoro's inability with directions) which doesn't conflict with what we've seen of him so far, it could go a long ways towards people's opinions of him as a character.
…lol.
Please tell me what Brook's "unique fighting attitude" is. Also, I can't believe you tried to make #3 a point.
Well Brook fences, plays music, sings,and runs on water all the while being either overly jolly in a somewhat creepy manner. Also there are two honorable people on the crew already we don't need a third one.
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I think I finally figured this one out. I don't think it's that he's "too serious" which causes people to find him boring. I think it's more that he's simply not an idiot about anything (yet). The male characters that join the crew are all huge idiots in their own lovable ways, which go a long way towards their own images as characters.
thats exactly why im such a fan of hancock joining. she in her own way is an idiot and i believe it would be fun to see her on the crew moments like sanji constantly trying to get up with her
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WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYY:sad::sad::sad::sad:
I ADORE this character!!! I ADORE his loyalty, his calm, he's a real grandpa ( I don't have any grandpa).I agree with mama
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(disregarding fighting techniques, talking character here)
@Superbear:
Well Brook fences, plays music, sings,and runs on water
Yes, fencing is an excellent attitude to have, especially while in battle. I also like his attitude in which he jumps really high.
all the while being either overly jolly in a somewhat creepy manner.
Even if this was unique and consistent, it would still be somewhat weak.
Also there are two honorable people on the crew already we don't need a third one.
Care to run those names by me?
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Even if this was unique and consistent, it would still be somewhat weak.How is it not consistent?
**Care to run those names by me?**Zoro due for many reasons, and Brook seeing as how his dream is based off of honoring a promise he made to a friend years ago, which plays into his gentleman like theme of his character.
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Last nakama is obviously Gin.
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@Superbear:
How is it not consistent?
Because of the definition of the word "consistent." Unless, of course, the times that he doesn't act that way (such as the entirety of Brook vs Ryuuma) don't count.
Zoro due for many reasons, and Brook seeing as how his dream is based off of honoring a promise he made to a friend years ago, which plays into his gentleman like theme of his character.
The only thing Brook has over someone like Sanji is that his dream can tie into the concept. Being a gentleman and being honorable do not go hand in hand. With multiple characters who could have the concept of honor applied to them, I don't understand how it's an argument against someone new.
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I think comparing a possible candidate to a current Strawhat is a bad way of arguing. Saying one can't join because he fights similar or has some similar attitude isn't a good way to rule out someone.
Jinbei being serious, honorable or humble is not a bad thing, and comparing him to Zoro, Brook, Sanji, Robin or whoever is not a good way to rule him out.
Hell, he's my #2 candidate, so I'm admiting his chances are big compared to almost every known character so far.
The thing that's keeping Jinbei as my #2 is not what he has, but what he lacks.
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I think comparing a possible candidate to a current Strawhat is a bad way of arguing. Saying one can't join because he fights similar or has some similar attitude isn't a good way to rule out someone.
Jinbei being serious, honorable or humble is not a bad thing, and comparing him to Zoro, Brook, Sanji, Robin or whoever is not a good way to rule him out.
Hell, he's my #2 candidate, so I'm admiting his chances are big compared to almost every known character so far.
The thing that's keeping Jinbei as my #2 is not what he has, but what he lacks.
well its not so much we are comparing him to a crewmate, but it just feels like he kind of is taking the telling luffy how to be a captain route that zoro was doing.
and seeing how this is really the only thing we see jimbei doing, if he joins he either then does nothing anymore cause that is what zoro does, or they share, or he takes this away from zoro.
all three of those things just seem dumb
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Last nakama is obviously Gin.
Think about it people.Gin joining SH's would be the best.
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Gin joining SH's would be the best.
I agree.
Dadan for next Strawhat! After the latest chapter I really like her character. She will never join, but I wish she would :wub:
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well if we are going on the lulz train karate dugongs 4 nakama
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This guy:
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Sabo for Crew mate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Sabo for Crew mate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
hey perona fans, I found someone you can look down on
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hey perona fans, I found someone you can look down on
aww cmon dont be to harsh its better then vivi joining
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aww cmon dont be to harsh its better then vivi joining
It's actually the poster more so than the character being suggested.
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It makes me mad because you Sabo people obviously don't care a fig for the character's actual persona, and just want the souless hunk of plastic with a smile version to be placed in the Strawhat playset.
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I don't usualy post here , but Deicide's post reminded me of the people who way back said Brook can't join because the SH's already have a swordsman .
Also I do not suport the Sabo thing . So far he has been a prety minor character . Sure the flashback was good , but not realy because of him . He hasn't shown anything new or interesting so far .
If and when he gets back in the present time , we will see .
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People don't even know Sabo's persona enough to judge him really. Ace character changed quite a bit since he was a kid. I expect Sabo to change just as much, especially under Dragon's influence.
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Because of the definition of the word "consistent." Unless, of course, the times that he doesn't act that way (such as the entirety of Brook vs Ryuuma) don't count. I think that one time vs all of his others battles makes your comparison a little unbalanced.
The only thing Brook has over someone like Sanji is that his dream can tie into the concept. Being a gentleman and being honorable do not go hand in hand. With multiple characters who could have the concept of honor applied to them, I don't understand how it's an argument against someone new.
The definition of a gentleman:
a man of noble or gentle birth b : a man belonging to the landed gentry c (1) : a man who combines gentle birth or rank with chivalrous qualities (2) : a man whose conduct conforms to a high standard of propriety or correct behavior
The definition of chivalrous:marked by honor, generosity, and courtesy.
So Gentleman= being honorable.As a relpy to your Sanji vs Brook argument: Sanji is a Ladies man and is only chivalrous towards women, unlike Brook who in chapter 513 gave himself in order to protect Sanji and Usopp from Kuma.
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It's actually the poster more so than the character being suggested.
eh what did he do wrong then. enlighten me if you would
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Re-reading the last chapter, I kinda of felt that all the stuff Jinbei said, is what Zoro would of done had he been with him. (Similar to how he dealt with the whole Ussop leaving and wanting to rejoin) They just seem too similar to each other. Though I'm warming up to Jinbei.
How will Oda deal with Hancock though..I can imagine so many different ways. She could show up, Luffy could go talk to her, we could skip ahead to them on the boat, or Luffy just leaves with Law. I wonder how it will go down. If anything, we can just get some closure.
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or Luffy just leaves with Law
You know that's not an option without the kuja's ship to escort them, right?
That's what makes the situation interesting. As far as we know, next conflict could very well be Luffy vs. Hancock, with her refusing to let him go. Though I hope this is not the case.
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You know that's not an option without the kuja's ship to escort them, right?
That's what makes the situation interesting. As far as we know, next conflict could very well be Luffy vs. Hancock, with her refusing to let him go. Though I hope this is not the case.
Durr..i keep forgetting that.
and I don't that will happen, mainly because he knows he owes her alot, though it might be funny..I just expect Nyon to go. "Oh crap..if he leaves..she dies."
I also reckon we wouldn't get her past flashback stuff until later, following the pattern of Nami and Robin.
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eh what did he do wrong then. enlighten me if you would
Cluelessly suggesting a retarded reason for why he must join. It's a couple pages back in the thread.
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I also reckon we wouldn't get her past flashback stuff until later, following the pattern of Nami and Robin.
Let's imagine Hancock joins and that happens soon. If that's the case, I doubt we will get a full flashback now, since we just got Luffy's. I think her flashback would be divided into several parts so that they do not take much space right now: when she joins, we would probably see some scenes of both her as a child and as empress, in which we are revealed her dreams and why it makes sense for her to join. These scenes would not take more than a few pages, and would be scattered over various chapters.
The stuff about her being a slave would probably be a full flashback that would make more sense later in the story, probably when the Celestial Dragons make their return in the story.
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Let's imagine Hancock joins and that happens soon. If that's the case, I doubt we will get a full flashback now, since we just got Luffy's. I think her flashback would be divided into several parts so that they do not take much space right now: when she joins, we would probably see some scenes of both her as a child and as empress, in which we are revealed her dreams and why it makes sense for her to join. These scenes would not take more than a few pages, and would be scattered over various chapters.
The stuff about her being a slave would probably be a full flashback that would make more sense later in the story, probably when the Celestial Dragons make their return in the story.
That's probably what is going to happen if she does join., probably starting when she finds out he's leaving, Nyon will bring up some stuff, blah blah.
In all cases, whatever happens when they meet (hopefully next chapter) is really the final yes or no for her joining or not. If she does. Awesome, if she doesn't. I'll say. "Damn." and don my Team Jinbei shirt.
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@Superbear:
The definition of a gentleman:
a man of noble or gentle birth b : a man belonging to the landed gentry c (1) : a man who combines gentle birth or rank with chivalrous qualities (2) : a man whose conduct conforms to a high standard of propriety or correct behavior
The definition of chivalrous:marked by honor, generosity, and courtesy.
So Gentleman= being honorable.Loss of reading comprehension I'm afraid. That argument was not about him being a gentleman. It was about him being overly jolly when he fights.
As a relpy to your Sanji vs Brook argument: Sanji is a Ladies man and is only chivalrous towards women, unlike Brook who in chapter 513 gave himself in order to protect Sanji and Usopp from Kuma.
That's when Sanji ran over and tried to save them, right?
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That's probably what is going to happen if she does join., probably starting when she finds out he's leaving, Nyon will bring up some stuff, blah blah.
In all cases, whatever happens when they meet (hopefully next chapter) is really the final yes or no for her joining or not. If she does. Awesome, if she doesn't. I'll say. "Damn." and don my Team Jinbei shirt.
I fear this will still stretch for some time before we have a definitive answer. Oda could very well make us think something ("Oh, Hancock wants to go with him, so she will join" or "Oh, Hancock's clearly staying because of her duty, so she won't join") and then throws a curveball another chapter that makes everything change.
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Loss of reading comprehension I'm afraid. That argument was not about him being a gentleman. It was about him being overly jolly when he fights.
That's when Sanji ran over and tried to save them, right?
No actually that's loss of observance on your part because I was addressing the statement you made about "being honorable and being gentleman do not go hand in hand" that's why I put that statement in bold when I quoted you, so there wouldn't be any confusing as to what I was trying to say.
Now I did bold Ryuuma vs Brook quote and I'm sorry I didn't fully respond to that but I will do that now. You see that was a dream and grudge related fight so you would expect him to be serious seeing as how he has lost to Ryuuma before. Just about every fight (excluding the Ryuuma and Kuma fights) he seems to be kind of creepy but in a silly and joyous manner, where at other times he is protecting the honor of his promise and his crew.
Lastly who do you mean by them?
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I fear this will still stretch for some time before we have a definitive answer. Oda could very well make us think something ("Oh, Hancock wants to go with him, so she will join" or "Oh, Hancock's clearly staying because of her duty, so she won't join") and then throws a curveball another chapter that makes everything change.
That's seems to be up Oda's alley to…the genius bastard..
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@Superbear:
No actually that's loss of observance on your part because I was addressing the statement you made about "being honorable and being gentleman do not go hand in hand" that's why I put that statement in bold when I quoted you, so there wouldn't be any confusing as to what I was trying to say.
A loss of observance because I attached the first thing you said to the first thing you bolded and the second thing you said to the second thing you bolded?
Now I did bold Ryuuma vs Brook quote and I'm sorry I didn't fully respond to that but I will do that now. You see that was a dream and grudge related fight so you would expect him to be serious seeing as how he has lost to Ryuuma before. Just about every fight (excluding the Ryuuma and Kuma fights) he seems to be kind of creepy but in a silly and joyous manner, where at other times he is protecting the honor of his promise and his crew.
This argument was about the word "consistent" as I recall. You just proved that I'm right.
Lastly who do you mean by them?
Did you not read that chapter that you referenced? Brook, Usopp, and Zoro.
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A loss of observance because I attached the first thing you said to the first thing you bolded and the second thing you said to the second thing you bolded?
This argument was about the word "consistent" as I recall. You just proved that I'm right.
Did you not read that chapter that you referenced? Brook, Usopp, and Zoro.
Addressing the comment I made early about observance I'm dropping it because now it seems as though we're going around in circles.
Now as a reply to the statements in bold:
Well no because the way I'm looking at it this is a case of Majority vs Situation, you see excluding the two fights I mentioned he's fights for the remainder of Thriller Bark and the fight aganist the Flying Fish Riders are all rather silly and joyous. In short you really can't he's change in attitude based off of the situation and the circumstances involved.
Now when you made the statement about Sanji I thought you were being sarcastic towards my remark about him being chivalrous towards women seeing as how he didn't try to rescue them during the split up.
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I fear this will still stretch for some time before we have a definitive answer. Oda could very well make us think something ("Oh, Hancock wants to go with him, so she will join" or "Oh, Hancock's clearly staying because of her duty, so she won't join") and then throws a curveball another chapter that makes everything change.
Hancock will likely hang around till FI atleast, remember that she bought herself an excuse to personally chase after Luffy after she had those marines report her "intentions" right before she pursued Law's sub, plus the whole Hancock's beauty vs. the mermaid princess' beauty was mentioned by the Risky brothers and it just sort of seems like Oda's way of hinting at those two possibly meeting/interacting.http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/489/16/
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@Superbear:
Well no because the way I'm looking at it this is a case of Majority vs Situation, you see excluding the two fights I mentioned he's fights for the remainder of Thriller Bark and the fight aganist the Flying Fish Riders are all rather silly and joyous. In short you really can't he's change in attitude based off of the situation and the circumstances involved.
Sure I can. His attitude is totally different in those two situations, so I can say that it has changed. Giving me reasons for the change doesn't somehow negate the fact that it changed.
Now when you made the statement about Sanji I thought you were being sarcastic towards my remark about him being chivalrous towards women seeing as how he didn't try to rescue them during the split up.
No, I'm just proving that Sanji doesn't only care about the women, which you seemed to be implying.
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Sure I can. His attitude is totally different in those two situations, so I can say that it has changed. Giving me reasons for the change doesn't somehow negate the fact that it changed. Every person in the crew has an obvious attitude change at some point in the story. Like for example most of the time Robin is a grim and quite character but in Enies Lobby she was seen screaming and crying based on the circumstances of the arc. Now from that can we call her an extremely emotional person? No we can't because she only displayed those feeling out of circumstance.
**No, I'm just proving that Sanji doesn't only care about the women, which you seemed to be implying.**I was just implying that he's worries are more over the top when a woman is in danger(note the whole super sayin thing when Nami was captured in thriller bark).
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@Superbear:
Every person in the crew has an obvious attitude change at some point in the story. Like for example most of the time Robin is a grim and quite character but in Enies Lobby she was seen screaming and crying based on the circumstances of the arc. Now from that can we call her an extremely emotional person? No we can't because she only displayed those feeling out of circumstance.
You don't even know what you're arguing, anymore. The argument was "fighting attitude" so what does Robin's character development while prisoner have to do with anything? Let's review Sammsy's argument which you're apparently trying to defend: "they each have their own fighting attitude" including the likes of "don't hit girls" and "being more arrogant than God." I brought up Brook hoping to show that no, they don't each have their own unique fighting attitude that we need to consider in this thread.
If you really think they do, then why don't you try to make a list of all the crew members and what their "fighting attitudes" are respectively.
I was just implying that he's worries are more over the top when a woman is in danger(note the whole super sayin thing when Nami was captured in thriller bark).
So in order to illustrate that point, you referenced Brook sacrificing himself for two guys to which Sanji did the exact same thing in the exact same situation, except that his actions were even more extreme because he left his group to do it.
I wouldn't argue against the idea that Sanji places women above men (lol obvious). However, that was never an argument in the first place. It's almost as if you just made it up for this post. Let's review what you said the first time to start this argument:
As a relpy to your Sanji vs Brook argument: Sanji is a Ladies man and is only chivalrous towards women, unlike Brook who in chapter 513 gave himself in order to protect Sanji and Usopp from Kuma.
^^ That is what I've been responding to. Seriously, the intent of that post was only to imply that Sanji worries about girls more than guys? Either you're full of it, or you're really bad at wording your own argument.
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Is it really so hard to learn to quote properly?
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You don't even know what you're arguing, anymore. The argument was "fighting attitude" so what does Robin's character development while prisoner have to do with anything? Let's review Sammsy's argument which you're apparently trying to defend: "they each have their own fighting attitude" including the likes of "don't hit girls" and "being more arrogant than God." I brought up Brook hoping to show that no, they don't each have their own unique fighting attitude that we need to consider in this thread.
If you really think they do, then why don't you try to make a list of all the crew members and what their "fighting attitudes" are respectively.
So in order to illustrate that point, you referenced Brook sacrificing himself for two guys to which Sanji did the exact same thing in the exact same situation, except that his actions were even more extreme because he left his group to do it.
I wouldn't argue against the idea that Sanji places women above men (lol obvious). However, that was never an argument in the first place. It's almost as if you just made it up for this post. Let's review what you said the first time to start this argument:
^^ That is what I've been responding to. Seriously, the intent of that post was only to imply that Sanji worries about girls more than guys? Either you're full of it, or you're really bad at wording your own argument.
Is it really so hard to learn to quote properly?
Alright look man here's skinny, Jinbei isn't going to join, we have a traditional Japanese style attitude fighter on the crew and we don't need another one. Plain and simple, because this thing is going drag for days and I'm not to up for that.
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@Superbear:
Alright look man here's skinny, Jinbei isn't going to join, we have a traditional Japanese style attitude fighter on the crew and we don't need another one. Plain and simple, because this thing is going drag for days and I'm not to up for that.
Unbelievable. You can't even make a coherent argument about why this "fighting attitude" concept should even be considered for this topic, yet you want to use it as the defining reason for why Jinbei can't join? There's a good chance that Jinbei won't join, but not because of this awful reason. (I still have him as my top candidate, though).
You're the one who jumped into this debate of your own accord, I'll remind you. If you want to quit, that's fine, since it seems like you can't keep up, but don't have the audacity to claim victory when you do.
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Unbelievable. You can't even make a coherent argument about why this "fighting attitude" concept should even be considered for this topic, yet you want to use it as the defining reason for why Jinbei can't join? There's a good chance that Jinbei won't join, but not because of this awful reason. (I still have him as my top candidate, though).
You're the one who jumped into this debate, I'll remind you. If you want to quit, that's fine, since it seems like you can't keep up, but don't have the audacity to claim victory when you do.
Claiming victory? I'm not claiming victory I just gave up, and saying "we have this already" was my closing statement. Look man as you see here I'm garbage at debating, and when I try things get too busy and I just become unmotivated and incoherent.
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Jinbei #1 on my list of "Characters I want fleshed out who's not Monkey D Dragon."