Psh, Starrk better still be alive. The freaking Primera is NOT allowed to be beaten by a mere shikai. That's just disrespectful to the character.
Felch Discussion Part 3
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Psh, Starrk better still be alive. The freaking Primera is NOT allowed to be beaten by a mere shikai. That's just disrespectful to the character.
Yeah, how can a character be defeated due to strategical thinking and planning? Bleach should just be about people summoning bigger swords!
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Yeah, how can a character be defeated due to strategical thinking and planning? Bleach should just be about people summoning bigger swords!
I don't think that the strategical thinking and planning is the issue rather but rather that the #1 should be strong enough to not be seriously injured by an attack of that level. After all, Bleach uses the concept where you aren't supposed to cut down your opponent with inferior Reiatsu.
And a Shikai (even if it was Shunsui's) shouldn't really be able to cut down the Primera Espade in released form. Strategical planning and thinking is good but in this series it alone shouldn't be enough to do the trick. You also need raw power.
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i'm waiting for aizen to just go: this was all an illusion, than having barragan, halibel and stark appear
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I don't think that the strategical thinking and planning is the issue rather but rather that the #1 should be strong enough to not be seriously injured by an attack of that level. After all, Bleach uses the concept where you aren't supposed to cut down your opponent with inferior Reiatsu.
And a Shikai (even if it was Shunsui's) shouldn't really be able to cut down the Primera Espade in released form. Strategical planning and thinking is good but in this series it alone shouldn't be enough to do the trick. You also need raw power.
I still dont understand how Shunshuis shikai was able to kill Start. I read that chapter couple of times now.
I. Just. Dont. Get. It.
Was there anything else black in Stark clothes than belt? And why did not Start immedatly start with color black? Why the fuck this fuking concept was introduced even first place? Now my head hurts.
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I still dont understand how Shunshuis shikai was able to kill Start. I read that chapter couple of times now.
I. Just. Dont. Get. It.
Was there anything else black in Stark clothes than belt? And why did not Start immedatly start with color black? Why the fuck this fuking concept was introduced even first place? Now my head hurts.
I don't really get it either, all I could get from that chapter was kubo tried to copy togashi and thought it would be cool but failed.
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I still dont understand how Shunshuis shikai was able to kill Start. I read that chapter couple of times now.
I. Just. Dont. Get. It.
Was there anything else black in Stark clothes than belt? And why did not Start immedatly start with color black? Why the fuck this fuking concept was introduced even first place? Now my head hurts.
How hard is it to understand? What's on every Arrancar and is black?
Their Hollow Hole…
And the reason Stark didn't start with black is because he didn't know what the Shikai was. Once he figured it out is when he used it to his advantage.
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@Fire Fist:
How hard is it to understand? What's on every Arrancar and is black?
Their Hollow Hole…
And the reason Stark didn't start with black is because he didn't know what the Shikai was. Once he figured it out is when he used it to his advantage.
That hole is not black or any other color either, its just hole in their respective body parts.
When Kenpachi stabbed Nnoitra on eye there was just simple hole on skull. Similarry as Ulquirra had hole on his chest.
I am mad because Stark was intresting and he should had not been taken out so cheesy way.
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That hole is not black or any other color either, its just hole in their respective body parts.
When Kenpachi stabbed Nnoitra on eye there was just simple hole on skull. Similarry as Ulquirra had hole on his chest.
I am mad because Stark was intresting and he should had not been taken out so cheesy way.
Nnoitra's hollow hole is different from the other's holes, though. And in any case, the border of the hole is still black. I'm pretty sure that considering a normal hollow is completely black, that underneath their skin an arrancar is completely black, so… yeah.
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FOR ANYONE CONFUSED ABOUT SHUNSUI'S SHIKAI (the color game)
There seems to be some confusion so I'll explain my take on things.- You say a color
- You can only cut that color
- The more of that color you're wearing, the more damage it inflicts.
It's actually not that complicated. The reason Shunsui could hit stark has nothing to do with his hollow hole, or anything like that. Stark was clearly wearing black pants as well as black strings from his coat or whatever, as shown here.
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The reason it did so much damage is because Shunsui was wearing pure black, as shown here.!
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FOR ANYONE CONFUSED ABOUT SHUNSUI'S SHIKAI (the color game)
There seems to be some confusion so I'll explain my take on things.- You say a color
- You can only cut that color
- The more of that color you're wearing, the more damage it inflicts.
It's actually not that complicated. The reason Shunsui could hit stark has nothing to do with his hollow hole, or anything like that. Stark was clearly wearing black pants as well as black strings from his coat or whatever, as shown here.
! http://media.onemanga.com/mangas/00000003/000228432/17.jpg
The reason it did so much damage is because Shunsui was wearing pure black, as shown here.! http://media.onemanga.com/mangas/00000003/000228432/19.jpg
I hope this puts an end to all confusion, and that we're all on the same page.Erm so Shunshui can just one-shot all hollows/arrancars with this. If Hollows/Arrancars attack with black first Shunshui dies.
well okay now, but lets hope Shunshui never fights ever again this series.
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Erm so Shunshui can just one-shot all hollows/arrancars with this. If Hollows/Arrancars attack with black first Shunshui dies.
well okay now, but lets hope Shunshui never fights ever again this series.
Why would the Hollows/Arrancar know how Shunsui's ability works if they get the first strike?
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Erm so Shunshui can just one-shot all hollows/arrancars with this. If Hollows/Arrancars attack with black first Shunshui dies.
well okay now, but lets hope Shunshui never fights ever again this series.
First of all, the Arrancar are pretty much dead. Second, you have to hit someone to do damage, if they're good enough to beat Shunsui they can dodge his physical blows. Third, the damage you do is proportional to how much of the color YOU'RE wearing, so no black will not oneshot Shunsui unless they're wearing a lot of black, even then there's not gaurentees anything will
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Shunsui is going to fight again. He and Ukitake made his Bankai sound way too cryptic for him not to show it eventually.
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At least something happens now….
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You know what really stinks about this chapter? The Shinji/Aizen fight actually looked cool…but of course, Ichigo, the main character he is, has to run in and ruin it. He should have just let Shinji keep going. (oh...and Tousen spontaneously exploding...that's what it looked like and it was funny)
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@Tokoro:
You know what really stinks about this chapter? The Shinji/Aizen fight actually looked cool…but of course, Ichigo, the main character he is, has to run in and ruin it. He should have just let Shinji keep going. (oh...and Tousen spontaneously exploding...that's what it looked like and it was funny)
Indeed, Mister Stereotype-Protagonist-without-Character had to ruin it - again. And is this the first time we saw Aizen getting cut?
Also lol @ Tousen. At least he'd go out with a bang.
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I love Shunsui! I am thinking either Aizen and Gin at full power are so epic the shinigami will need everyone to release bankai who can, or they have to do this because of another arc.
I would prefer to see another arc, because it seems the fights recently have been rather rushed. I would be so pissed off at Kubo if he retconned all this defeat of the espada due to Aizen's hax hypnosis powers or something like that. I would rather they be ACTUALLY defeated and then we can finally move ot of Hueco Mundo into perhaps a Hell or maybe a Spirit King domain arc.
Speaking of the Spirit King, is he actually supposed to be weak or not? In other forums I have seen a common automatic assumtion that he would be instantly owned by Aizen because "Aizen stands above the other captains in power" logic.
What those people fail to forget is that just because someone has a bodyguard (or an army of them) doesn't mean the person being guarded is being weak. It can be a case of the character allocating duties to subordinates so he/she doesn't have to get their hands dirty, or it might be the case that they wish to have some R&R time or work out some strategy. Examples of this include Frieza's Ginyu Force in Dragonball and the King's Royal Guard in Hunter X Hunter.
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The Shinji vs Aizen could have turned out like Sasuke vs. Itachi genjitsu done right, but no Ichigo has to ruin it.
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Damn I thought Kubo was onto something with the Shiji counter or anti-hypnosis thing, I was realy looking forward to the next chapter… This is precisely the sort of thing that keeps Kubo as merely an excellent mangaka rather than Oda who that bit better and is probably going to have a much greater impact on manga.
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seems like tousen exploded lol, that last page with ichigo appearing was rather cool looking.
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Oh wel lI was getting sick of JUSTICE! tousen anyway haha- he was starting to sound like the bloody Great Saiyaman from Dragonball…
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still not much happened this chapter.
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seems like tousen exploded lol, that last page with ichigo appearing was rather cool looking.
Aizen triggered him to blow up somehow. You see Komamura scream "Aizen!!!!" in the panel on the next page.
It made me think of how the Major in Hellsing made his subordinates explode when they failed.
Shinji's Shikai is very similar to what I thought it was gonna be. Good. Hopefully Ichigo will just help him rather than taking over the fight completely…
Yeah, right.
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4CHAN IS FUCKING HILARIOUS:
! PCWC: I noticed you have quite a lot of tools for drawing? What's your favorite?
! Kubo: The can of white paint. I just stick my hand in there and slap some on a blank page.
! PCWC: If the page is blank why would you need to add more white to it?
! Kubo: I'm Tite Kubo.
! PCWC: Excuse me? I do not completely understand your answer.
! Kubo: I'm Tite Kubo. There's a meaning behind the white paint. I use effort to make my designs and when people complain about the lack of backgrounds in my story I get mad. You're supposed to peel off the paint.
! PCWC: But wouldn't that lead to a blank page?
! Kubo: You some kind of smart ass? What you find behind the paint is me, Tite Kubo. You're actually getting two backgrounds for the price of one.
! PCWC: Have you lost your mind?
! Kubo: Have you lost your cucumber?
! PCWC: I see. Any final comments?
! Kubo: You prick.
! PCWC: Bleach is known for its array of interesting and unique characters. I think the fans would like to know which one is your favorite?
! Kubo: Hands down, Luffy.
! PCWC: Are you referring to Monkey D. Luffy from One Piece?
! Kubo: Shit…I forgot he was in One Piece. Well, it's like I've said before. Sometimes I forget what happens in my own story. You know once I woke up on a Monday and forgot I even make bleach for a living? I just pulled some crap about Yammy being the strongest so that should last a good 3 months.
! PCWC: Three months? Doesn't that seem a little dragged out?
! Kubo: I decide the length of an arc by rolling a die. For Hueco Mundo I got a 6.
! PCWC: Six months?
! Kubo: Nope.
! PCWC: Years?!
! Kubo: Try millenia.
! PCWC: Your studio is a beautiful place. I can imagine it being very calming to work here. But I'm curious as to why you have a shovel next to your desk.
! Kubo: That's for digging plot holes.
! PCWC: I see. In fact, I recall seeing a white room with nothing inside as you showed me around earlier. What's the purpose behind that?
! Kubo: I sit there for inspiration when my story becomes too complicated for me to work out. Nice, clean white walls really help me out a lot.
! PCWC: How do you come up with character designs? You have a noticeable talent for such different looking people.
! Kubo: I just roll up some clay and punch the shit out of it. I pretend it's my father and go from there with whatever comes out.
! PCWC: And for female characters?
! Kubo: I take otaku fetishes and add +1.
! PCWC: What does that mean?
! Kubo: Whatever I want it to mean.
! PCWC: I heard that you had once dreamed to be a fashion designer, why did you decide to be a mangaka?
! Kubo: Ah, I'm glad you asked that.PCWC: …
! Kubo: ...
! PCWC: So are you going to tell us why?
! Kubo: Oh, right. Sorry.
! PCWC: ...
! Kubo: Yes?
! PCWC: ...So... tell us about your dream to be a fashion designer.
! Kubo: When I was younger, I wanted to be a fashion designer.
! PCWC: ...And?
! Kubo: And now I'm the mangaka of Bleach.
! PWCW: Now that Bleach has been going on for a bit, how do you keep the adventure and the story fresh?
! TK: I think it maintains a freshness because when I create manga, I dont think about whats going to happen—I just come up with an idea and let it flow. Its a weekly installment, so I have a very short time to create manga, but the good thing is that because its short, I can come up with the idea and start creating it.... Read More
! PWCW: Have you ever gotten yourself into a situation that made you say, Uh-oh?
! TK: I dont really face that kind of situation because its a long story and sometimes I forget whats happened in the past, but I read the previous volumes of Bleach and that usually helps me to create and have a new idea. -
Now I would approve of a good old fashioned team up, everyone united to sow the big bad he cannot win and so on. Cliche perhaps but better than relying on 1 hero to save everyone.
Makes sense in Dragonball where Goku was stronger than most others except perhaps Gohan at the end. But not Bleach where Ichigo Isn't the strongest.
I was looking forward to everyone having a pop at Aizen until Unohana sealed him as the "chosen one" with her declaration. I hope it's a team up…
The 4chan thing was hilarious: "Have you lost your mind?" "Have you lost your cucumber?"
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4CHAN IS FUCKING HILARIOUS:
! PCWC: I noticed you have quite a lot of tools for drawing? What's your favorite?
! Kubo: The can of white paint. I just stick my hand in there and slap some on a blank page.
! PCWC: If the page is blank why would you need to add more white to it?
! Kubo: I'm Tite Kubo.
! PCWC: Excuse me? I do not completely understand your answer.
! Kubo: I'm Tite Kubo. There's a meaning behind the white paint. I use effort to make my designs and when people complain about the lack of backgrounds in my story I get mad. You're supposed to peel off the paint.
! PCWC: But wouldn't that lead to a blank page?
! Kubo: You some kind of smart ass? What you find behind the paint is me, Tite Kubo. You're actually getting two backgrounds for the price of one.
! PCWC: Have you lost your mind?
! Kubo: Have you lost your cucumber?
! PCWC: I see. Any final comments?
! Kubo: You prick.
! PCWC: Bleach is known for its array of interesting and unique characters. I think the fans would like to know which one is your favorite?
! Kubo: Hands down, Luffy.
! PCWC: Are you referring to Monkey D. Luffy from One Piece?
! Kubo: Shit…I forgot he was in One Piece. Well, it's like I've said before. Sometimes I forget what happens in my own story. You know once I woke up on a Monday and forgot I even make bleach for a living? I just pulled some crap about Yammy being the strongest so that should last a good 3 months.
! PCWC: Three months? Doesn't that seem a little dragged out?
! Kubo: I decide the length of an arc by rolling a die. For Hueco Mundo I got a 6.
! PCWC: Six months?
! Kubo: Nope.
! PCWC: Years?!
! Kubo: Try millenia.
! PCWC: Your studio is a beautiful place. I can imagine it being very calming to work here. But I'm curious as to why you have a shovel next to your desk.
! Kubo: That's for digging plot holes.
! PCWC: I see. In fact, I recall seeing a white room with nothing inside as you showed me around earlier. What's the purpose behind that?
! Kubo: I sit there for inspiration when my story becomes too complicated for me to work out. Nice, clean white walls really help me out a lot.
! PCWC: How do you come up with character designs? You have a noticeable talent for such different looking people.
! Kubo: I just roll up some clay and punch the shit out of it. I pretend it's my father and go from there with whatever comes out.
! PCWC: And for female characters?
! Kubo: I take otaku fetishes and add +1.
! PCWC: What does that mean?
! Kubo: Whatever I want it to mean.
! PCWC: I heard that you had once dreamed to be a fashion designer, why did you decide to be a mangaka?
! Kubo: Ah, I'm glad you asked that.PCWC: …
! Kubo: ...
! PCWC: So are you going to tell us why?
! Kubo: Oh, right. Sorry.
! PCWC: ...
! Kubo: Yes?
! PCWC: ...So... tell us about your dream to be a fashion designer.
! Kubo: When I was younger, I wanted to be a fashion designer.
! PCWC: ...And?
! Kubo: And now I'm the mangaka of Bleach.
! PWCW: Now that Bleach has been going on for a bit, how do you keep the adventure and the story fresh?
! TK: I think it maintains a freshness because when I create manga, I dont think about whats going to happen—I just come up with an idea and let it flow. Its a weekly installment, so I have a very short time to create manga, but the good thing is that because its short, I can come up with the idea and start creating it.... Read More
! PWCW: Have you ever gotten yourself into a situation that made you say, Uh-oh?
! TK: I dont really face that kind of situation because its a long story and sometimes I forget whats happened in the past, but I read the previous volumes of Bleach and that usually helps me to create and have a new idea.Quoted for hilariousness. Most people will open the spoiler and say "fuck that," but no, read it.
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@Friend:
Oh wel lI was getting sick of JUSTICE! tousen anyway haha- he was starting to sound like the bloody Great Saiyaman from Dragonball…
at least the great saiyaman was cool
@Fire Fist:
Aizen triggered him to blow up somehow. You see Komamura scream "Aizen!!!!" in the panel on the next page.
quote]I did not know that since I can't read kanji….unless there are translations out that I don't know about.
4CHAN IS FUCKING HILARIOUS:
! PCWC: I noticed you have quite a lot of tools for drawing? What's your favorite?
! Kubo: The can of white paint. I just stick my hand in there and slap some on a blank page.
! PCWC: If the page is blank why would you need to add more white to it?
! Kubo: I'm Tite Kubo.
! PCWC: Excuse me? I do not completely understand your answer.
! Kubo: I'm Tite Kubo. There's a meaning behind the white paint. I use effort to make my designs and when people complain about the lack of backgrounds in my story I get mad. You're supposed to peel off the paint.
! PCWC: But wouldn't that lead to a blank page?
! Kubo: You some kind of smart ass? What you find behind the paint is me, Tite Kubo. You're actually getting two backgrounds for the price of one.
! PCWC: Have you lost your mind?
! Kubo: Have you lost your cucumber?
! PCWC: I see. Any final comments?
! Kubo: You prick.
! PCWC: Bleach is known for its array of interesting and unique characters. I think the fans would like to know which one is your favorite?
! Kubo: Hands down, Luffy.
! PCWC: Are you referring to Monkey D. Luffy from One Piece?
! Kubo: Shit…I forgot he was in One Piece. Well, it's like I've said before. Sometimes I forget what happens in my own story. You know once I woke up on a Monday and forgot I even make bleach for a living? I just pulled some crap about Yammy being the strongest so that should last a good 3 months.
! PCWC: Three months? Doesn't that seem a little dragged out?
! Kubo: I decide the length of an arc by rolling a die. For Hueco Mundo I got a 6.
! PCWC: Six months?
! Kubo: Nope.
! PCWC: Years?!
! Kubo: Try millenia.
! PCWC: Your studio is a beautiful place. I can imagine it being very calming to work here. But I'm curious as to why you have a shovel next to your desk.
! Kubo: That's for digging plot holes.
! PCWC: I see. In fact, I recall seeing a white room with nothing inside as you showed me around earlier. What's the purpose behind that?
! Kubo: I sit there for inspiration when my story becomes too complicated for me to work out. Nice, clean white walls really help me out a lot.
! PCWC: How do you come up with character designs? You have a noticeable talent for such different looking people.
! Kubo: I just roll up some clay and punch the shit out of it. I pretend it's my father and go from there with whatever comes out.
! PCWC: And for female characters?
! Kubo: I take otaku fetishes and add +1.
! PCWC: What does that mean?
! Kubo: Whatever I want it to mean.
! PCWC: I heard that you had once dreamed to be a fashion designer, why did you decide to be a mangaka?
! Kubo: Ah, I'm glad you asked that.PCWC: …
! Kubo: …
! PCWC: So are you going to tell us why?
! Kubo: Oh, right. Sorry.
! PCWC: …
! Kubo: Yes?
! PCWC: …So... tell us about your dream to be a fashion designer.
! Kubo: When I was younger, I wanted to be a fashion designer.
! PCWC: …And?
! Kubo: And now I'm the mangaka of Bleach.
! PWCW: Now that Bleach has been going on for a bit, how do you keep the adventure and the story fresh?
! TK: I think it maintains a freshness because when I create manga, I dont think about whats going to happen—I just come up with an idea and let it flow. Its a weekly installment, so I have a very short time to create manga, but the good thing is that because its short, I can come up with the idea and start creating it…. Read More
! PWCW: Have you ever gotten yourself into a situation that made you say, Uh-oh?
! TK: I dont really face that kind of situation because its a long story and sometimes I forget whats happened in the past, but I read the previous volumes of Bleach and that usually helps me to create and have a new idea.that's the best thing since the naruto shippuden rap
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why are you linkin' juni's release of last weeks chapter?
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why are you linkin' juni's release of last weeks chapter?
i saw it up on manga helpers and i posted it right away i'm sorry
my bad people i hope i didn't upset anyone i apologize please forgive me
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mangastream.com has it, that's my Xmas present to you! Enjoy!
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Aizen made Hirako a bitch. Nice !!!
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The glimpse of the Aizen/Shinji fight is awesome, too bad Ichigo is still there….
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wow Aizen sure likes to randomly kill black people
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The last page ruined a good chapter.
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Ichigo the beast is here
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Classical Kubo chapter. The good and bad writing interweave so tightly that you can't tell what is what.
What i did like is Shinji's release.
Although I don't understand how Aizen overcame it. "Even though I can't do a thing against your ability, I'm still the main villain, so, you know, its child play." Huh, Kubo?
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OH MY GOD!
I NEVER expected Grimjoww to come back and rescu-
oops. Am I too early? My bad.
I'll act surprised when it happens.
Promise.
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wow Aizen sure likes to randomly kill black people
He's the anatgonist after all. Arlong, Aizen, the Celestial Dragons…racism is a good attribute for a villian.
And Grimmjow will be forever stuck in the endless plot hole that Kubo created...
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Hirako is like WB, he is a loser, Aizen(Sengoku) always thinks one step further, thats why Shinji always comes 2nd and gets owned.
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Hirako is like WB, he is a loser, Aizen(Sengoku) always thinks one step further, thats why Shinji always comes 2nd.
**Go home.
Also, Aizen is the worst character in Bleach, by far. Comparing him to Sengoku is retarded.**
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Aizen is 10 times better than your no personality Mihawk…
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YEAH, Sengoku is total epicness in the making..plus he have a living weapon that could beat anything in this manga.
Anyway, I wonder if they (Aizen and his companions) will run away again and then they would be a hell arc before the damn King Arc (since its still early). I'm saying this early as a prediction
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Aizen is 10 times better than your no personality Mihawk…
Nah, I'm not a fan of Mihawk, but at least he doesn't need a retard broken ability to be awesomely powerful.
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Being an invicible man with a retard broken ability and pwning everyone, is better than being someone boring with 0 personality.
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funny you can judge mihawks personality on like the 20 pages he has appeared on. yet most people simply LOVE Kuma who has less of a personality, and hell now is even dead.
but personally i would take any personality or not over some gay ass broken ability like sharingans, or aizens ability
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I am talking about personalities here, not abilities…
No personality guy vs a guy who wants to become god and beats everyone
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Aizen is 10 times better than your no personality Mihawk…
**I'm not a huge fan of Mihawk, So I don't know why you even mentioned him.
But no he's not, Aizen is a horrible character and personifies everything that is wrong with Bleach. He makes Mihawk look like the best character ever.
How do you explain some random shinigami becoming one of (if not the) strongest guy in the world so far? He's a perfect example of a Gary Sue, the cut he got this chapter was the closest hes ever been to failing. which is ridiculous.**
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Huh, out of all the story arcs Kubo's created I actually partially liked this Tousen one, at least in the end. Yet, in this chapter Aizen not only interrupts it, but wrecks Tousen's body beyond recognition without letting us even see a cool attack.
Yet, I'm pretty sure Aizen's trying to me us hate him on every level, because he's ruined pretty much every good thing Bleach has had this arc. In fact, you could even blame him for keeping Orihime somewhere safe while this arc has occurred (cause c'mon, Yammi? Practically harmless at this point. Yep). He's like Sasuke, ruining the good parts of the story except he's going past the 4th wall even to make us hate him. It's like he's personally taunting me. I want this guy dead, even if lame-o Ichigo has to do it.
What, your clothes make your power level higher? Well that's bullshit but as long as it makes your sword go through Aizen's chest then that's just fine.